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don_quixote
06-01-2010, 09:16 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00psp5r/History_of_Now_The_Story_of_the_Noughties_Growing_ Young/

you know when you leave things open to organically grow?

1) this is a horrible documentary, veers horribly between vacuous, obvious and will self, andrew marr and other luminaries
2) what are they doing letting robert webb narrate? dear god jesus, it sounds like a comedy gig
3) it feels like a pastiche of an adam curtis documentary

but it's still decent, like. and a very interesting p.o.v. put across here, which isn't too wrong in my eyes. the stats of where people live is very interesting.

more thoughts later, but i think it's worth watching

don_quixote
06-01-2010, 09:36 PM
ooooh will self vrry good at the end. next episode looks tabloid.

john eden
06-01-2010, 11:05 PM
Yeah I had a similar reaction when I watched it - it looks like some shite which should be on BBC3 but did actually cover some interesting areas, like generational resentment, quite well.

But also all the nostalgia stuff for micro-scooters and talking heads. - i.e "list"/Maconie telly.

The academics were good though.

continuum
06-01-2010, 11:06 PM
i caught the end of this yesterday

definitely worth watching

hucks
06-01-2010, 11:39 PM
The geographer, Danny Dorling, is always interesting, I think. And some of the observations, and even the overarching narrative, were good. It was a superior list show, or a really frothy documentary.

I did hate the overuse of "we" though - "we" rode microscooters, "we" made loads of money through property. No we fucking didn't.

craner
07-01-2010, 02:53 PM
I watched this in exhiliration and despair (the two shrinking poles). Now I know why I drank through the last decade. I will be watching tonight, of course; I thought the documentary was fascinating, and, also, utterly appropriate: what could be more fitting than a smart-stupid whizzy list show to explain the, uh, 'noughties'? If my brain still worked as well as it did in 2001, before the brain-damaging '00s, I'd have a lot more to say, maybe.

craner
07-01-2010, 02:54 PM
The teenies will be a decade of pain.

craner
07-01-2010, 02:55 PM
The twenties will be fun.

I don't even want to think about the thirties.

john eden
07-01-2010, 02:56 PM
The teenies will be a decade of pain.

http://www.hobo-bonobo.co.uk/topten/images/0812071251201.jpg

craner
07-01-2010, 02:59 PM
I'm into decades, though. I like thinking about decades. I had great fun summing up the 90s. I got that down in about 3 paragraphs. Or was it 4?

scottdisco
07-01-2010, 04:06 PM
I'm into decades, though. I like thinking about decades. I had great fun summing up the 90s. I got that down in about 3 paragraphs. Or was it 4?

can you refresh our memories Ollie, any blog links if you wrote about this?

i lost the power of thought ages ago, it's why i like lists so much.

craner
07-01-2010, 04:14 PM
It was on atff years ago. I'll have a go later. I'm wrestling Piaget to the ground a the moment.

john eden
07-01-2010, 04:20 PM
It was on atff years ago. I'll have a go later. I'm wrestling Piaget to the ground a the moment.

long time since I heard that name - cognitive development and stages theory innit?

craner
07-01-2010, 04:30 PM
Incidentally, the programme about the cult of youth was fantastic, and I was totally on-side with Will Self all the way through.

craner
07-01-2010, 04:33 PM
Yes. Personally, I hang somewhere between Vygotsky and hardcore Pavlovians in my personal theory of learning. Social conditioning!

john eden
07-01-2010, 04:35 PM
Yes. Personally, I hang somewhere between Vygotsky and hardcore Pavlovians in my personal theory of learning. Social conditioning!

Yeah it's interesting stuff - never got into Vygotsky though.

Mr. Tea
07-01-2010, 05:51 PM
I thought Piaget made watches and cufflinks and stuff. I feel really thick on here sometimes...

don_quixote
07-01-2010, 09:42 PM
bloody hell, this episode is loads better

loads and loads and loads better

sufi
07-01-2010, 09:51 PM
missed the programme itself but read this rather amusing review:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/jan/06/history-of-now-the-noughties
characterises the show as epitomising the 00's standard cheap and crap format of 'clips'n'cunts', but with extra-high-end talking heads

hucks
07-01-2010, 10:12 PM
bloody hell, this episode is loads better

loads and loads and loads better

Yeah the first 15 minutes were a bit rubbish (WAGS, handbags, blah) but it got really good later

mrfaucet
07-01-2010, 10:15 PM
What struck me as really strange was the notion that a few alcopop adverts managed to persuade all the ravers to instead move back to the city centre and get off their faces on booze.

It made some interesting points, but I think with these things they are always so generalised that bits of it make you think you didn't even live in this decade as you can't relate to them.

craner
07-01-2010, 10:56 PM
I love all the words they have in the boxes, I haven't heard of half of them. Someone should compile a noughties dictionary, there's some fantastic stuff. A ton of Chav- suffixes, for example: Chavness, Chavmobile, Chavology, Chavocracy, Chavoplex. There were far smarter words than the various chav derivations, but I can't remember them now. Bagenomics. Londongrad. Some crucial omissions, however: Oed-i-pod, smugocracy...

"I've been racking my brains here, and there's not a lot to rack..."

john eden
07-01-2010, 11:22 PM
yes the "subheadings" were ace: "how jade paved the way for dave" "how xxxx (gucci?) changed urban planning"

nomos
07-01-2010, 11:57 PM
john, i barely recognized you ;)

don_quixote
08-01-2010, 07:11 AM
the programme also reminded me how much i loathe david cameron.

and how in comparison the thick of it seems much more realistic than david cameron on desert island disks.

i must watch webcameron back. that was fucking painful.

not saying gordon brown appeared much better by the way, just somehow i cringe less. probably due to political affiliations you understand.

craner
08-01-2010, 10:38 AM
I see the new decade has kicked off with exploding pants and the squalid death of Casey Johnson. Start as you mean to go on.

john eden
08-01-2010, 10:52 AM
john, i barely recognized you ;)

New decade - new danger. ;)

woops
08-01-2010, 01:33 PM
Chavness, Chavmobile, Chavology, Chavocracy, Chavoplex.

you forgot Chavrolet and Vauxhall Chavalier

slim jenkins
08-01-2010, 04:01 PM
Last night's episode (Thurs)....fucking depressing...

john eden
08-01-2010, 04:21 PM
Last night's episode (Thurs)....fucking depressing...

Well it was covering a depressing topic but that actually cheered me up a bit. Usually all this stuff is taken for granted: "just the way things are"...

slim jenkins
12-01-2010, 07:35 AM
True....but it was the content not the coverage that put me in a dark place...as you can read here if you're so inclined..

http://includemeout2.blogspot.com/2010/01/strangers-in-strange-land.html