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crackerjack
20-01-2010, 06:00 PM
Don't we have a thread of this title already?

Can't think where else to put this (http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/poster.php?line1=I'll%20cut&line2=your%20face,%20you%20slag&logo1=DON'T&logo2=FUCK&logo3=WITH%20ME&tagline1=Call%20me%20Mad%20Dave&size=3)

Mr. Tea
20-01-2010, 09:00 PM
There was an article on news.bbc the other day titled "Tory cuts to start straight away". My first thought was "Funny, you don't normally see such an obvious spelling mistake on the Beeb".

craner
20-01-2010, 10:43 PM
I don't get it.

mos dan
20-01-2010, 11:23 PM
mydavidcameron.com is the most visited political site in the whole country this week.. good meme work, everyone. bet the tories are pleased with that campaign, esp given how many of the real life billboards have been trashed too..

btw may as well post this up here, seems appropriate

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2009/12/britains-bright-tory-future/

i went to the young tories xmas party for a 'laugh'

mistersloane
21-01-2010, 12:13 AM
Genius article Dan.

Here's my tuppence used with the generator

http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/cameron.php

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/mistersloane/poster-2php.jpg

luka
21-01-2010, 07:25 AM
craner-cuts/cunts

john eden
21-01-2010, 07:33 AM
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2009/12/britains-bright-tory-future/

i went to the young tories xmas party for a 'laugh'

:slanted::mad::(:eek::o

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad::mad:

:D

paolo
21-01-2010, 08:53 AM
Putting the cunt in Conservative

jenks
21-01-2010, 09:31 AM
“Yah but your surname is Jenkins,” his friend says through a mouthful of teeth. “That’s such a butler’s name!”

:mad:

crackerjack
21-01-2010, 10:15 AM
“I say ‘Conservative,’ you say ‘win’… Conservative!” “Win!” “Conservative!” “Win!”


I'll say one thing for these Tories - they have a marvellous sense of rhythm.

Mr. Tea
21-01-2010, 10:16 AM
craner-cuts/cunts

Sounds like a line from a tongue-twister.

Edit: my turn!

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/3286/posteryx.jpg

I love these image-generator thingies - the Dawkins bus one was good, too.

hucks
21-01-2010, 01:42 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7043536/Airbrushed-David-Cameron-made-to-look-like-Elvis-on-billboard.html

It's a bit annoying that the lyrics aren't quite right, but anyhow

mos dan
21-01-2010, 01:53 PM
not everyone liked my piece

http://www.declanlyons.com/2009/12/small-minded-minority-dictating.html

"his favourite band is - without doubt - Radiohead".

i am also a huge fan of these image generators.. there was a bob dylan one where you got to change the words on the cards in the subterranean homesick blues video, that was superb.

my favourite cameron one is the dalek one i think

Mr. Tea
21-01-2010, 01:54 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7043536/Airbrushed-David-Cameron-made-to-look-like-Elvis-on-billboard.html

It's a bit annoying that the lyrics aren't quite right, but anyhow

Ha, good one - they link to Beau Bo D'or (http://www.bbdo.co.uk/blog/archives/2176) who I used to know from my old days on b3ta. He does lots of good stuff like this.

crackerjack
21-01-2010, 01:59 PM
not everyone liked my piece

http://www.declanlyons.com/2009/12/small-minded-minority-dictating.html



The piece itself is an account (heavily ficticious, I do not doubt)

I think you've just been libelled ;)

craner
21-01-2010, 02:02 PM
It would be even funnier if the spoof generator had been the brainchild of Charlie Whelan. Wait...

crackerjack
21-01-2010, 02:08 PM
It would be even funnier if the spoof generator had been the brainchild of Charlie Whelan. Wait...

If Brown's bad boy had anything to do with that he's just gone right up in my estimation.

john eden
21-01-2010, 02:13 PM
not everyone liked my piece

http://www.declanlyons.com/2009/12/small-minded-minority-dictating.html

"his favourite band is - without doubt - Radiohead".



"I have been a member of CF since 2006 and have never attended a function in which this takes place openly"

wtf?

STN
21-01-2010, 02:23 PM
"None the less, Mr. Hancox has written a wonderful piece of imaginative text and I would encourage him to get in touch with Penguin publishers straight away."

oooooooooooooh badcuss!

mos dan
21-01-2010, 02:35 PM
"None the less, Mr. Hancox has written a wonderful piece of imaginative text and I would encourage him to get in touch with Penguin publishers straight away."

oooooooooooooh badcuss!

wondering if i can get him to be my agent lol

the original blog post says 'the soul purpose is dodgy' - before a million people pointed out the typo and he changed it to 'sole'. what a typo though! a dodgy soul purpose! that is deep :)

crackerjack
21-01-2010, 02:35 PM
"None the less, Mr. Hancox has written a wonderful piece of imaginative text and I would encourage him to get in touch with Penguin publishers straight away."

oooooooooooooh badcuss!

Love the radical overhaul is giving the standard Tory Boy image

http://www.mydavidcameron.com/images/nix1.jpg

crackerjack
21-01-2010, 02:37 PM
wondering if i can get him to be my agent lol

the original blog post says 'the soul purpose is dodgy' - before a million people pointed out the typo and he changed it to 'sole'. what a typo though! a dodgy soul purpose! that is deep :)

he also misspelt 'ficticious'. money just doesn't buy the education it used to

swears
21-01-2010, 04:20 PM
http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/poster.php?line1=Nothing+human+makes+it+&line2=out+of+the+near-future.+&logo1=SHORT&logo2=OF&logo3=CHANGE&tagline1=Find+out+more+at+www.mydavidcameron.com&size=3


.

craner
21-01-2010, 04:41 PM
These posters are, I must admit, very funny, but it does ponder the question: is British democracy doomed?

crackerjack
21-01-2010, 04:47 PM
These posters are, I must admit, very funny, but it does ponder the question: is British democracy doomed?

not really. no more than spitting image did, anyway

craner
21-01-2010, 05:07 PM
Oh, come on, at least let's ponder it...

crackerjack
21-01-2010, 05:25 PM
Oh, come on, at least let's ponder it...

i did. didn't you notice the six minute gap between posts? that was a coffee and ponder break

Mr. Tea
21-01-2010, 05:39 PM
This one's for Craner:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1658/poster2ra.jpg

craner
21-01-2010, 05:58 PM
My God. It's weird how well we all know each other.

bassbeyondreason
21-01-2010, 07:36 PM
Declan Lyons's face.




lol.

mixed_biscuits
21-01-2010, 08:52 PM
.http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/4052/posterphpf.jpg (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/posterphpf.jpg/)

mistersloane
21-01-2010, 09:43 PM
David Naneron

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/mistersloane/poster-4php.jpg

don_quixote
21-01-2010, 09:59 PM
hahahahaha the header to that lyons blog is priceless. he's clearly off message about the whole open collar thing though

HMGovt
22-01-2010, 12:01 AM
http://www.viceland.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/1-635x317.jpg

we have old Dissensus fave Vice to thank for that
http://www.viceland.com/wp/2010/01/wow-david-cameron-is-a-genuine-monster/

Mr. Tea
22-01-2010, 12:13 AM
Jourgensen at'cha!

http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/poster.php?line1=My+eyes&line2=shit+out+lies&logo1=I+&logo2=ONLY+&logo3=KILL&tagline1=to+know+I%27m+alive&size=3

scottdisco
22-01-2010, 03:21 PM
yep

http://i45.tinypic.com/287dlro.jpg

mixed_biscuits
23-01-2010, 09:34 AM
.http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4489/posterphp.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/i/posterphp.jpg/)

comelately
24-01-2010, 11:15 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/24/boris-johnson-will-hutton-bankers


Swashbuckling stuff – but which Boris am I debating with? There is Boris A, the D'Artagnan of the City, firing off letters to the chancellor about the impact of the bonus tax and warning of thousands of bankers set to leave London. Then there is Boris B, the wise financial statesman worried about bankers' orgy of excessive bonuses, and the need for reform. Here we make common cause. But the financial statesman reverts to D'Artagnan with a blink of an eye.

I suppose it would be naive to call it new, but Dave and Boris' handling of 'final vocabulary' is awe-inspiring stuff. Boris seems better at it, because to actually call him on his shit is almost always going to make one look unseemly or distasteful. That's why toffs moan when you call them toffs, because it creates the possibility for the kinds of meaning they desperately want you to avoid. Which is why this billboard thing is so much fun I guess.

Mr. Tea
27-01-2010, 07:46 PM
From the comments section after Dan's piece in Prospect:


The thing about the right is that is disparate . I like the sound of these people but they are not the soul or even representative of the Conservative Party .Try talking to some of the private sector self employed working class vote that is a crucial of folk he constituency and you might hear the word chump , or something thrown in your direction . Is that what you want ?
Anyway who are you to complain about Party .Until we are all not smoking not having sex and having that chump Billy Bragg beamed in from all white Dorset and subject to CCTV in case anyone says the wrong thing you will never be happy .
…and come to think of it , when are you going to stop calling everyone you disagree with a racist . The proportion of Labour Party voters who put the BNP second as their Party of choice is 35% . You’ll find that survey in “The Likes of Us “ and What’s Left. Hardly surprising as it is a socialist Party as was the Nazi Party .
I think with time and therapy I shall learn to live without the dog eared remnant of cool Britannia and anyone who does not qualify for membership is alright by me .

Grrrr

Even by comments-section standards, this has to rank as one of the most bizarre and least coherent rants I've seen outside of Speak You're Branes. (edit: and youtube, obviously)

craner
27-01-2010, 11:14 PM
Oi, I wrote that!

It made sense at the time.

baboon2004
28-01-2010, 11:06 AM
"Hardly surprising as it is a socialist Party as was the Nazi Party ."

This is one of the best there's-no-point-arguing phrases ever.

Papercut
28-01-2010, 12:33 PM
From the comments section after Dan's piece in Prospect:



Even by comments-section standards, this has to rank as one of the most bizarre and least coherent rants I've seen outside of Speak Yoy're Branes.

i re-read the first 2 paragraphs a few times and I'm still not really sure i understand it. Its impenetrable.

Some of those pictures are great. I like the "i'll kill again" one the best.

Mr. Tea
28-01-2010, 01:12 PM
"Hardly surprising as it is a socialist Party as was the Nazi Party ."

This is one of the best there's-no-point-arguing phrases ever.

Well in fairness, New Labour are forever curtailing the freedoms of big business with their Bolshevik obsession with the dictatorship of the proletariat and the abolition of capitalism. And I've a sneaky feeling a political union with Austria, the invasion of Poland and the liquidation of European Jewry are just around the corner...

baboon2004
28-01-2010, 01:51 PM
Well in fairness, New Labour are forever curtailing the freedoms of big business with their Bolshevik obsession with the dictatorship of the proletariat and the abolition of capitalism. And I've a sneaky feeling a political union with Austria, the invasion of Poland and the liquidation of European Jewry are just around the corner...

To be fair, you're completely right. I dont' know how much more of this radical socialism I can actually take. Man the barricades for capitalism!

Genius Cameron posters btw from everyone. The Rick Astley has to be my favourite, and probably in three clicks my screensaver

don_quixote
05-02-2010, 08:15 AM
that declan lyons blog is absolutely priceless bollocks all the way through. it's amazing that a 12 year old can write such guff.

vimothy
19-02-2010, 08:18 PM
Economists smackdown Osbourne: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/feb/18/spending-cuts-economists-deficit

swears
20-02-2010, 01:44 AM
Economists smackdown Osbourne: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/feb/18/spending-cuts-economists-deficit

Yeah, this is what my man Johann Hari was talking about (http://www.johannhari.com/2010/01/15/cameronomics-has-already-been-tried-in-ireland-the-result). But everybody's gonna vote against Brown because, well... he's just awful right?

vimothy
20-02-2010, 02:39 AM
I think he nails Cameron. I'm not impressed with Brown either. Everyone in work is talking about who will get made redundant when this 10% cut in education spending kicks in. And all to satisfy some totally ephemeral idea of a bond market that might demand even more interest on its risk free assets if we don't make the right noises and man up for some punishment...

baboon2004
20-02-2010, 06:55 PM
I met Johann Hari when I was doing an internship at the New Statesman, back in the day. Swears' post just reminded me to post what happened to the incumbent deputy editor there...:

In 1998, Odone became deputy editor of the New Statesman.[12]

Odone resigned in November 2004. She denied reports that the cause was a poor working relationship with editor Peter Wilby, culminating in a row over a cover depicting Tony Blair as Joseph Stalin. Her position was that she and Wilby had a good working relationship, and had both been victims of New Labour plots to destabilise the New Statesman, orchestrated by Tony Blair. She stated that the real reason for her departure was an offer to present a programme on Channel 4 television about religion.[12]

She further alleged that "neo-Left" colleagues had been plotting against the New Statesman, stating "However nasty the Right gets, the Left gets much more wicked", and that this "neo-Left" was making voodoo dolls of her and wishing cancer upon her.[12] One of those attacked, Johann Hari, questioned her sanity in response, arguing there were inconsistencies in her claims, including that one of the supposedly Blairite conspirators, Jackie Ashley, is opposed to Blair and has called repeatedly for him to resign

Total mentalist.

don_quixote
27-02-2010, 08:27 AM
would you shag a tory?

i've been having thoughts about it, and i think i probably wouldn't.

baboon2004
27-02-2010, 12:08 PM
Don't do it. The feelings of shame and revulsion are too much to bear. If it's the only way, imagine their face contorting in orgasm and mouthing the word 'Maggie!'.

crackerjack
27-02-2010, 05:21 PM
would you shag a tory?

If you must, but just don't make a film about it (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095823/)

DannyL
01-03-2010, 09:36 AM
Don't do it. The feelings of shame and revulsion are too much to bear. If it's the only way, imagine their face contorting in orgasm and mouthing the word 'Maggie!'.

You should read Alan Clark's diaries. The crush he has on Maggie is palpable, and revolting.

vimothy
07-04-2010, 05:28 PM
Speaking of which, check out what UKIP are putting out nowadays:

http://www.philippelegrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/image.php_1-1024x768.jpg

crackerjack
07-04-2010, 06:19 PM
classy

grizzleb
07-04-2010, 10:48 PM
would you shag a tory?

i've been having thoughts about it, and i think i probably wouldn't.If there's anything that puts me off a lady it's the sense that they aren't really the same morally as me. So no.

baboon2004
08-04-2010, 12:13 AM
some people get off on that!

but similarly, anyone who voted for labour post-1997 would have to be a no-no?

crackerjack
08-04-2010, 09:05 AM
some people get off on that!

but similarly, anyone who voted for labour post-1997 would have to be a no-no?

That's my chances with Babs up in smoke ;)

mistersloane
08-04-2010, 04:56 PM
In my kingdom, Marina Hyde gets a knighthood for this headline (or the sub who did it) :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2010/apr/08/michael-caine-tories-quality-guarantee

baboon2004
08-04-2010, 04:59 PM
That's my chances with Babs up in smoke ;)

haha. nah, just making the point that while I hate the Tories as much as anyone (sensible), the bile directed against them around election time does rather let all the people in Labour who have been doing bad shit over the past 13 years off the hook a little, by way of comparison. Better of two evils?..but when both are so evil, who's to tell?

Can anyone explain what's likely to happen when the inevitable hung parliament occurs - I got bored trying to find out...

vimothy
08-04-2010, 05:13 PM
Lib Dems form coalition with either Lab or Tories.

baboon2004
08-04-2010, 05:42 PM
OK, so that's pretty much a definite? Guess the LibDems can hold out for more than a few concessions that will benefit them in that case.

scottdisco
08-04-2010, 05:52 PM
haha. nah, just making the point that while I hate the Tories as much as anyone (sensible), the bile directed against them around election time does rather let all the people in Labour who have been doing bad shit over the past 13 years off the hook a little, by way of comparison.

very true. and on my personal hobby horse (one i know a few Dissensians share), there's realistically nothing that David Davis or whoever couldn't have done to immigration and asylum that Blunkett/Reid/Clarke etc didn't... ...incidentally, re a topic mentioned upthread, i am traditional right of Old Labour (or thereabouts), and - the following shows me up in a worse light for being a tool than anything else - was about to try and do something w some pretty Sloane in Hyde Park once (of patently old money Tory background) but she just said stupid things and it wound me up.

so i left.

er.

that sounds a bit like dogging.

never mind.

will be interesting to see what happens in Stoke Central.

crackerjack
08-04-2010, 06:05 PM
will be interesting to see what happens in Stoke Central.

why, you got a re-match with her there?

scottdisco
08-04-2010, 06:17 PM
why, you got a re-match with her there?

next time i will bite my tongue ;)

(as she said etc.)

funnily enough - although he was no Sloane and i doubt voted Tory - i did once, in hindsight, say a glaring double entendre to some old boy stood next to me as we both had a tinkle in the urinals at this pub (http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/19/19648/Coachmakers_Arms/Hanley).

in seriousness, Stoke Central: i read this bloke (http://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com/).

oh sorry: Tristram Hunt, metropolitan telly personality and New Labour man, w seeming little or no knowledge of the area, parachuted in to stand as candidate, against the wishes of the local party who contain plenty of Old Labour sorts.

Mark Fisher (not k-punk), one of my fave Old Labour backbenchers, standing down at the next election for health reasons, he is the current MP. until recently, as the blogger above recently informed readers of Liberal Conspiracy in a guest post, every single councillor in the city (all 70) was Labour, a remarkable statistic even compared i think to the northeast, northwest or Humberside. now of course there's a lot of BNP there.

dangerous, combustible times in the Potteries. (as in so many places, granted, but it's very acute there.)

mixed_biscuits
08-04-2010, 07:38 PM
haha. nah, just making the point that while I hate the Tories as much as anyone (sensible), the bile directed against them around election time does rather let all the people in Labour who have been doing bad shit over the past 13 years off the hook.

If you decide to give the government your stamp of approval, having put in so much effort making a show of disapproval (Stop the War etc), then you're going to come out looking like a bit of a mug.

Vote Lib Dem

Tentative Andy
09-04-2010, 01:59 PM
If you're going to shag a Tory, it's best to have a well-hung parliament.

baboon2004
09-04-2010, 02:48 PM
If you decide to give the government your stamp of approval, having put in so much effort making a show of disapproval (Stop the War etc), then you're going to come out looking like a bit of a mug.

Vote Lib Dem

I usually do, and maybe this time it'll be worth it more than usual, with their stock about to rise.

don_quixote
12-04-2010, 10:29 PM
abc - anyone but cameron. i'll be voting to keep him out, unsuccessfully i imagine.

grizzleb
13-04-2010, 12:28 AM
If you're going to shag a Tory, it's best to have a well-hung parliament.
I've been choking to find an opportunity to get a 'well-hung' joke in. I feel there may be future chances. :cool:

Mr. Tea
13-04-2010, 12:32 AM
I've been choking to find an opportunity to get a 'well-hung' joke in. I feel there may be future chances. :cool:

I guess we'll just have to see what Black Rod has to say about the matter!

baboon2004
13-04-2010, 12:34 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/mar/12/nick-clegg-defends-former-porn-director-anna-arrowsmith

The Lib Dems got there before anyone.

hucks
15-04-2010, 08:50 PM
I knew it would be shit, but this makes me want to move to a country where they don't bother with elections.

Sectionfive
15-04-2010, 09:26 PM
yeah pretty much,

On the upside though Im glad 'Tory bastards' is becoming the election thread :D

mistersloane
15-04-2010, 09:34 PM
I like all the glitching on the net stream, it's very Burroughs.

hucks
15-04-2010, 09:46 PM
Brown: "We've got so many fucking helicopters you pricks would never even begin to understand. Chinooks coming out of my arse"

mistersloane
15-04-2010, 09:56 PM
lol missed that bit. i wish this was in 3d

swears
15-04-2010, 10:22 PM
I reckon Labour'll just scrape in by a couple of seats like the Tories in '92. I've got a feeling.

massrock
15-04-2010, 10:25 PM
Best twitter comment : Worst Kraftwerk gig ever.

mistersloane
15-04-2010, 10:26 PM
Best twitter comment : Worst Kraftwerk gig ever.

god the logo even looks like one of their albums

mistersloane
15-04-2010, 10:33 PM
All of these 'number crunching' polls are horrible. It's all horrible actually.

mrfaucet
15-04-2010, 11:41 PM
You have to drink while watching the debate to make it any good/watchable.

grizzleb
16-04-2010, 01:05 AM
I didn't watch it but I find it all pretty amusing. Just an extension of the political soap opera that is QT every week really. I only seen a little bit, but Nick Clegg looked to be doing a bit of waffling. Chuffed that he's come out on top somehow though. I'm choking for a nice well hung parliament. The look on David Cameron's face as he gets denied the keys to no. 10 would be perennially sweet. Sweet as candy.

mixed_biscuits
16-04-2010, 07:48 AM
Clegg is said to have won the debate, but I think people are judging him on form rather than content.

Brown performed well if one disregards context (if he so desperately believes in the value of doing X, why hasn't he already done it?).

scottdisco
16-04-2010, 09:34 AM
this (http://yfrog.com/b8z4pj) amused me but then i am very childish

massrock
16-04-2010, 10:36 AM
god the logo even looks like one of their albums

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01617/leaders_1617267c.jpg

Fucking funny really. I love Kraftwerk, but I'm not sure about this latest tour.

scottdisco
16-04-2010, 01:51 PM
mostly for man like Crackerjack, as i mentioned Stoke Central to him the other day.


A statue of Josiah Wedgwood one of the titans of the industrial revolution and a prominent anti slavery campaigner stands guard at the entrance to Stoke-on-Trent train station.

The brooding figure is a reminder of the city's industrial past when its name was synonymous with pottery and ceramics. But Stoke's industrial might is a distant memory and the constituency is at the centre of one of the most fascinating contests of the election.

The British National party, which says it is fielding a record 326 candidates, is focusing most of its resources on two seats - Barking in east London and Stoke Central, where the party's deputy leader, Simon Darby, is standing.

interesting Guardian piece on the BNP in S-o-T here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/08/election-bnp-stoke-immigration).

crackerjack
16-04-2010, 02:14 PM
mostly for man like Crackerjack, as i mentioned Stoke Central to him the other day.



interesting Guardian piece on the BNP in S-o-T here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/08/election-bnp-stoke-immigration).

one here too

http://norfolk.unitywebring.com/?p=1613

paolo
16-04-2010, 03:43 PM
The only good bit was when Cameron said that he spoke to a black man

:YADUNKNO:

bob effect
16-04-2010, 07:34 PM
Best twitter comment : Worst Kraftwerk gig ever.

http://seraphim.basemetal.co.uk/images/kraftwerk2.jpg

sufi
16-04-2010, 08:43 PM
gary barlow (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/16/cameron-praises-clegg-debate-performance)

swears
16-04-2010, 09:31 PM
Just found out that Clegg is openly atheist. That takes some balls in politics.

mrfaucet
17-04-2010, 12:44 AM
The only good bit was when Cameron said that he spoke to a black man

:YADUNKNO:

Cameron stopping just short of pledging to nuke China was also a highlight for me.

crackerjack
17-04-2010, 09:58 AM
The only good bit was when Cameron said that he spoke to a black man

:YADUNKNO:

Not just any old black man, some kinda superhero souljah boy 10-year-old fighting machine (http://www.viceland.com/wp/2010/04/david-cameron-definitely-won/)

don_quixote
19-04-2010, 04:51 PM
http://www.fridgemagnet.org.uk/toys/dave-met.php

IdleRich
19-04-2010, 07:24 PM
"Best twitter comment : Worst Kraftwerk gig ever."
That made my day.

Anyway, didn't watch the debate but it's obviously utterly pathetic that the whole country can change their mind after one extended soundbite. It's also great, I'd love it if this means that the Lib Dems actually become a force the other two parties have to actually think about and that there is an end of, or at least change to, the present moribund situation. It's all the better that Cameron was the one who insisted on the debate and could actually end up being hoist by his own petard. Completely by random there is the glimmer of a chance that the stranglehold of the two main parties might be broken (the main reason that no-one votes Lib Dem is because no-one votes Lib Dem - a small change could actually cause a Tipping PointTM) and even if that happens for the wrong reason I think it's a good thing.


"The look on David Cameron's face as he gets denied the keys to no. 10 would be perennially sweet. Sweet as candy."
Precisely.

DannyL
19-04-2010, 09:18 PM
What I am really heartened by is how much popular dislike there is for the Tories. Not to be able to score massive points off an elderly goverment with an unpopular leader is really something. It's possible this was just an effect of the campaign - too much focus on cuts? - but it's seems more likely it's symptomatic of a wider distrust. Which is a good thing.

mixed_biscuits
19-04-2010, 09:26 PM
it's seems more likely it's symptomatic of a wider distrust. Which is a good thing.

Not necessarily.

That fridgemagnet site is funny.

IdleRich
19-04-2010, 10:32 PM
"too much focus on cuts?"
The leadership debate? Think you missed an "n" out.


"What I am really heartened by is how much popular dislike there is for the Tories. Not to be able to score massive points off an elderly goverment with an unpopular leader is really something."
Yes, very true, Cameron on telly today saying "If you vote for Labour (or Lib Dem) you face the prospect of another four years like the last" - in other words, the best he can come up with is "We're different people, why not try us?".
On the other hand, Labour are unpopular enough for that tactic to (conceivably) work. If it does it will hardly give them the mandate that they claim to want but they won't care about that if they win.

don_quixote
19-04-2010, 10:50 PM
i dont remember 97 since i was 11, but how comparable is nowadays?

hucks
19-04-2010, 10:59 PM
i dont remember 97 since i was 11, but how comparable is nowadays?

Not very. The thing in 97 was that Labour were inevitably going to win, it was just a matter of how much they were going to win by. So there was a sense of an era coming to an end. Blair did look like the future, whereas Cameron really does not.

And, yeah, we all now how that worked out etc but a lot of that is to do with the betrayal of the hopes Blair had been entrusted with. Nobody, not even Tories, has that kind of hope for Cameron. Because of Blair, really. So 2010 is not like 1997 because of 1997.

Mr. Tea
19-04-2010, 11:22 PM
I just find it funny that the Tories are selling themselves as the party of "change"...


conservative

(noun) 1. A person who favors maintenance of the status quo or reversion to some earlier status.
..........
(adjective) 1. Tending to resist change.

baboon2004
19-04-2010, 11:40 PM
The leadership debate? Think you missed an "n" out.


Yes, very true, Cameron on telly today saying "If you vote for Labour (or Lib Dem) you face the prospect of another four years like the last" - in other words, the best he can come up with is "We're different people, why not try us?".
On the other hand, Labour are unpopular enough for that tactic to (conceivably) work. If it does it will hardly give them the mandate that they claim to want but they won't care about that if they win.

they're unpopular for a reason. Lots of good ones.

IdleRich
19-04-2010, 11:50 PM
"they're unpopular for a reason. Lots of good ones."
I don't dispute that, I just think it's pretty poor that Super Dave is so reliant on that fact. Their campaign is ultimately dependent on the amount of hate that people feel for Lab rather than love they feel for them.

swears
20-04-2010, 12:26 AM
I just find it funny that the Tories are selling themselves as the party of "change"...

"Change" is just a buzzword after Obama used it in '08. Most of these words are just interchangable free-floating signifiers. Blair was keen on this: "Belief. Community. Family. Hope. Change. Education. Innovation. Enterprise. Blah. Blah. Blah."

Regarding Clegg's recent surge in popularity, this can only be a good thing if it results in a Lib/Lab hung parliment. A Tory win is by no means inevitable now, thank god.

mistersloane
20-04-2010, 12:28 AM
I don't dispute that, I just think it's pretty poor that Super Dave is so reliant on that fact. Their campaign is ultimately dependent on the amount of hate that people feel for Lab rather than love they feel for them.

That and this very Blair/NLP-with-a-bit-of-Obama way of promoting themselves, talking in slogans, and really not listening to frustrated audiences who have repeatedly ( well, on QT at least ) said that all they want is facts, not spin. It's very refreshing and heartening to see people not falling for it.

I'm coming through all of this this thinking that Mandelson is an evil genius Machiavelli - if it's been him running the Labour campaign, and I reckon it is - and am frankly finding it very exciting. The prospect of politics radically altering in this country seems almost glimpsable.

crackerjack
20-04-2010, 09:34 AM
Regarding Clegg's recent surge in popularity, this can only be a good thing if it results in a Lib/Lab hung parliment. A Tory win is by no means inevitable now, thank god.

Yah, but that's a big if. There seems to be this assumption (probably cos so many Lib voters are disgruntled (ugh) progressives) that Labour and Liberal will fall into each other's arms in a hung parliament. I think people are gonna be disappointed,at last in the short-term – long-term, their price of coalition with whoever should be electoral reform, which is long overdue and would allow parties t be honest about what they stood for, instead of all crowding the centre ground.

crackerjack
20-04-2010, 09:37 AM
Regarding Clegg's recent surge in popularity, this can only be a good thing if it results in a Lib/Lab hung parliment. A Tory win is by no means inevitable now, thank god.

Yah, but that's a big if. There seems to be this assumption (probably cos so many Lib voters are disgruntled (ugh) progressives) that Labour and Liberal will fall into each other's arms in a hung parliament. I think people are gonna be disappointed,at last in the short-term – long-term, their price of coalition with whoever should be electoral reform, which is long overdue and would allow parties t be honest about what they stood for, instead of all crowding the centre ground.

IdleRich
20-04-2010, 11:40 AM
I'm hoping that a three horse race could cause the sides to seek harder to differentiate themselves and ultimately precipitate electoral reform. It will probably just end with three parties trying to occupy the middle ground.
Electoral reform is really important to me. My vote basically doesn't matter because I'm in a safe Labour seat, that can't be right. I get to make this ineffectual vote every four years from the age of 18 until I'm dead which is gonna be about sixteen times if I'm lucky.
How did we come down to this system where your vote is only important if you're in a marginal constituency? What is the reason for constituencies at all? Is it so that you have a local mp? Doesn't really work like that does it though 'cause returning an MP is ultimately a vote for the head of his party and also, if he's a big shot, he won't be doing anything local anyway. There's an obvious conflict between national and local there.
I always assumed that the system we have is kind of a hangover from when it would have been impossible to count votes nationallly and so it was easier to do it piecemeal, is there any truth in that?

jenks
20-04-2010, 12:48 PM
I get to make this ineffectual vote every four years from the age of 18 until I'm dead which is gonna be about sixteen times if I'm lucky

I have voted in every possible election (national, local, european) since 1985 and have yet to vote for anyone who has actually won - electoral reform is essential.

crackerjack
20-04-2010, 01:57 PM
I get to make this ineffectual vote every four years from the age of 18 until I'm dead which is gonna be about sixteen times if I'm lucky

I have voted in every possible election (national, local, european) since 1985 and have yet to vote for anyone who has actually won - electoral reform is essential.

Ha, the first westminster election where my vote didn't go to the winner was the last one (yet another reason to hate George Galloway!)


I always assumed that the system we have is kind of a hangover from when it would have been impossible to count votes nationallly and so it was easier to do it piecemeal, is there any truth in that?


There's a lot to be said for locally elected MPs. Unfortunately most of it depends on them not being party placemats and demonstrating more independence. Most MPs (or too many, at least - I'm not doing the math) go straight from a researcher's job into parliament.

baboon2004
20-04-2010, 02:07 PM
i think the wider problem is in assuming that voting is the supreme political act, and in the whole idea of purely representative democracy. What people do in their own lives for four years between elections, will ultimately matter more politically than the single vote they cast, esp. given the centrist location of all the major parties.

electorla reform, in the shape of PR, would undoubtedly make people's vote mean a bit more, but I dont' think it will change the general malaise around this (and most other) and most other liberal democratic systems.

baboon2004
20-04-2010, 02:10 PM
I don't dispute that, I just think it's pretty poor that Super Dave is so reliant on that fact. Their campaign is ultimately dependent on the amount of hate that people feel for Lab rather than love they feel for them.

isn't every political party dependent upon slagging off the other as the major part of its strategy (in my lifetime that's been true afaics)? i can say for myself that mostly i vote on strength of hate for the tories rather than the merits of anyone else- sad but true.

IdleRich
20-04-2010, 03:07 PM
"I have voted in every possible election (national, local, european) since 1985 and have yet to vote for anyone who has actually won - electoral reform is essential."
I know that's not what you're saying but I read that at first as meaning that it has be be reformed into a system where your vote wins more often.


"There's a lot to be said for locally elected MPs. Unfortunately most of it depends on them not being party placemats and demonstrating more independence."
Well the role is curiously inspecific isn't it, I mean, you are voting for someone who is local but your vote will affect who runs the whole country, what if you love your local MP but hate the rest of what the BNP (or whoever he happens to be) stand for?


"isn't every political party dependent upon slagging off the other as the major part of its strategy (in my lifetime that's been true afaics)?"
Maybe, except possibly in 97 and, at least at one point, the Tories thought that this was going to be their 97 - although I accept your points re the differences.

In general, the annoying thing about selecting one party is that you are stuck with the policies that you didn't want as well as those you did - is PR more likely to mean that you can and choose policies or am I being unrealistic?

crackerjack
20-04-2010, 03:17 PM
In general, the annoying thing about selecting one party is that you are stuck with the policies that you didn't want as well as those you did - is PR more likely to mean that you can and choose policies or am I being unrealistic?

Yes, it means you're much less likely to get the policies you (at least in theory) voted for cos of all the horsetrading.

The real benefit of PR is that you can vote for who you want, rather than who you think has a chance of winning where you live.

crackerjack
22-04-2010, 09:51 AM
So the hounds of hell have been unleashed on Clegg.

And it's not (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7616526/General-Election-2010-Nick-Clegg-the-Lib-Dem-donors-and-payments-into-his-private-bank-account.html)the rival parties (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1267921/GENERAL-ELECTION-2010-Nick-Clegg-Nazi-slur-Britain.html)

hucks
22-04-2010, 02:27 PM
And it's not (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7616526/General-Election-2010-Nick-Clegg-the-Lib-Dem-donors-and-payments-into-his-private-bank-account.html)the rival parties (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1267921/GENERAL-ELECTION-2010-Nick-Clegg-Nazi-slur-Britain.html)

No, not by any means :rolleyes:

The Telegraph (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100035902/its-not-smear-its-scrutiny/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter) is on the defensive about its story already, which is quite a thing. Might have backfired, I think

BareBones
22-04-2010, 03:21 PM
a new 'election special' daily mail headline generator where every one is about clegg -

http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/

COULD NICK CLEGG HAVE SEX WITH BRITISH JUSTICE?

crackerjack
22-04-2010, 03:38 PM
a new 'election special' daily mail headline generator where every one is about clegg -

http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/

COULD NICK CLEGG HAVE SEX WITH BRITISH JUSTICE?

the red tops have actually gone mad today

the Mirror says the Tory campaign is cracking up, while the Star actually has ~Brown: I Quit, above a story quoting him sayng he'd leave if he "couldn't make a difference". Fuck nose what's inside The Sun - I'm scared to look

Mr. Tea
22-04-2010, 03:49 PM
the red tops have actually gone mad today

the Mirror says the Tory campaign is cracking up, while the Star actually has ~Brown: I Quit, above a story quoting him sayng he'd leave if he "couldn't make a difference". Fuck nose what's inside The Sun - I'm scared to look

Today's Metro features a "photo" of Brown and Clegg toasting each other's health with champagne...some very small print underneath admits that it's a photomash rather than a real shot. :slanted:

matt b
22-04-2010, 04:08 PM
Trevor Kavanagh goes for it re: Lib slag. Ends up looking like a twat:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8636000/8636720.stm

vimothy
22-04-2010, 05:51 PM
#nickcleggsfault (http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23nickcleggsfault)

don_quixote
22-04-2010, 06:53 PM
=

don_quixote
22-04-2010, 06:56 PM
sorry what i meant to say there was that i'm voting labour because they're putting the ashes back on the beeb

mms
22-04-2010, 08:45 PM
this is incredible
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/apr/22/james-murdoch-independent-dodge-city

hilarious and mad as fuck.

crackerjack
22-04-2010, 09:14 PM
this is incredible
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/apr/22/james-murdoch-independent-dodge-city

hilarious and mad as fuck.

ha ha, ace

Murdoch jnr is such a cunt

line of the week

In common with so many of the unpleasant episodes involving angry young men in modern London, it was a squall about reputation and respect.

how do i upload photos? gotta cracker

so i've created an album, like the FAQ told me to. then when i click on upload pics it tells me i don't have enough privileges... how do i sort this? or can't i?

matt b
23-04-2010, 11:04 AM
so i've created an album, like the FAQ told me to. then when i click on upload pics it tells me i don't have enough privileges... how do i sort this? or can't i?

It's easier to dump the photo on flickr, or whatever and link to it.

Since the latest upgrade my album has disappeared

Sectionfive
25-04-2010, 12:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHR6-KN-8uI



EDIT: the comments

#staceydcv be displayed hide

Anybody else notice this is completely doctored?
Check out the change in lighting, the skipping around and the unnatural movement.
Funny? Yes. True? Not at all! Just saying... 1 day ago

baboon2004
25-04-2010, 01:38 AM
Didn't notice anything wrong with that at all.

massrock
04-05-2010, 12:03 AM
Jesus.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/02/conservatives-philippa-stroud-gay-cure

massrock
05-05-2010, 12:39 AM
http://62.149.36.33/~gregknig/

:eek:

grizzleb
05-05-2010, 01:48 AM
http://62.149.36.33/~gregknig/

:eek:That is fan-tastic. :cool::D Grooving like fuck.

crackerjack
05-05-2010, 02:41 PM
Here's one sure loser (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7116654.ece)this election

massrock
05-05-2010, 03:52 PM
oh well at least that's something. hawhaw.

this election is well tense though, i sense a mood of apprehension abroad in the country.

massrock
05-05-2010, 03:52 PM
thread's gone freaky.

crackerjack
05-05-2010, 04:21 PM
abroad in the country.

:confused:

massrock
05-05-2010, 05:02 PM
what's the matter with you?

scottdisco
05-05-2010, 05:04 PM
i loved that "abroad" turn of phrase Massrock, proper old school :cool:

crackerjack
05-05-2010, 05:08 PM
what's the matter with you?

Nothing, dude - I need these little oxymorons to keep me going on the eve of a Tory govt.

massrock
05-05-2010, 05:12 PM
abroad [əˈbrɔːd]

adj (postpositive)
1. (of news, rumours, etc.) in general circulation; current
2. out in the open
3. over a wide area

massrock
05-05-2010, 05:16 PM
Don't want to spoil your fun though, and I didn't realise it was that old school. I guess I must be a bit old school. :slanted:

Mr. Tea
05-05-2010, 05:19 PM
abroad [əˈbrɔːd]

adj (postpositive)
1. (of news, rumours, etc.) in general circulation; current
2. out in the open
3. over a wide area

Works best in an Italian-American accent:

"How long has your wife been abroad?"

"Hey, whatch'oo gettin' at?! She's always been a broad!"

scottdisco
05-05-2010, 05:21 PM
Don't want to spoil your fun though, and I didn't realise it was that old school. I guess I must be a bit old school. :slanted:

i fear we both are :D

as for Tea's accents, there's always the classic married northern English blokes discussing short holiday options routine... ...'Genoa?' ''Course I do, she's my wife!'

'Jamaica?' 'No, she wanted to'

Tentative Andy
05-05-2010, 05:22 PM
this election is well tense though, i sense a mood of apprehension abroad in the country.

I suspect pre-election tension is one reason why we've all been so fucking angry on here over the last couple of days.

massrock
05-05-2010, 05:23 PM
"Hey, whatch'oo gettin' at?! She's always been a broad!"
Lol.

Oops, I mean hey lay off the offensive stereotypes!

massrock
05-05-2010, 05:25 PM
i fear we both are :D

as for Tea's accents, there's always the classic married northern English blokes discussing short holiday options routine... ...'Genoa?' ''Course I do, she's my wife!'

'Jamaica?' 'No, she wanted to'
Jakarta?

No she took a plane.

Mr. Tea
05-05-2010, 05:29 PM
Jakarta?

No she took a plane.

"Dubai?"

"Nah, just rental."

God, there must be MILLIONS of these.

crackerjack
05-05-2010, 05:39 PM
Jakarta?

No she took a plane.

This one's stupidly brilliant or brilliantly stupid, I can't decide.

crackerjack
05-05-2010, 06:21 PM
BNP canvassers apparently attacking Asian kids in Barking...

massrock
05-05-2010, 06:24 PM
Not the other way round?

crackerjack
05-05-2010, 06:34 PM
Not the other way round?


Apparently Nick Griffin just been hit with tomatoes by kids as he was out canvassing in Barking. According to witnesses he got into his car and left pretty quickly. However, according to one witness, things quickly became more serious: "Moments later on Harrow Road members of the BNP party who were standing in the road were approached by a group of five Asian boys and one black boy. The boys asked what the party members were doing in their area. One of the members of the BNP party then punched one of the group of boys in the face. The boy said then about six or seven members of the BNP party then proceeded to attack him and his friend. After this the men all jumped into a car and drove off."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2010/may/05/general-election-2010-live-blog

hucks
05-05-2010, 10:23 PM
Ah, fuck (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/05/general-election-2010-david-cameron)

massrock
06-05-2010, 05:39 PM
Spotted - very attractive woman of east asian appearance doing last minute door to door canvassing for the blue team. Is that how they're doing it? I'd be tempted, honestly.

Mr. Tea
06-05-2010, 05:50 PM
Could be an Onion piece, I reckon: "Party of gorgeous fascists realises men vote with their dicks, takes election by landslide".

scottdisco
06-05-2010, 06:04 PM
been working for Silvio for years...

crackerjack
06-05-2010, 06:27 PM
Spotted - very attractive woman of east asian appearance doing last minute door to door canvassing for the blue team. Is that how they're doing it? I'd be tempted, honestly.

Hmm, there was a very westernised Asian Respect woman in BGB who was like well fit innit.

The Tory and I were trying to work out what she was doing hanging with people who'd probably want to cover her face up...:confused:

sufi
25-05-2010, 11:56 PM
protester-brian-haw-arrested-queens-speech (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/25/protester-brian-haw-arrested-queens-speech)

massrock
28-05-2010, 07:42 PM
Those other shoes, falling.

http://johannhari.com/2010/05/28/and-so-camerons-first-victims-are

baboon2004
03-06-2010, 12:41 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jun/03/boris-johnson-parliament-square-peace-protesters

Feeling emboldened now, obviously.

crackerjack
08-07-2010, 03:00 PM
Claws out

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2010/07/exclusive-graham-brady-launches-inquiry-into-disappointing-general-election-result.html

crackerjack
17-07-2010, 10:36 AM
for those who haven't seen it yet,

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/domestic_politics/expenses%20zac%20goldsmith%20mounts%20defence/3713082

It's the sense of entitlement that gets me, that and the obvious threats issued at the end. If Goldsmith thinks that was anything but a disaster he should fuck off back to his wind farms.

vimothy
19-07-2010, 02:58 PM
IN the UK business confidence is collapsing... synchronised austerity programmes across OECD... China Japan and Germany still looking to export huge amounts of capital... this is going to be fucking bad...

"the fall in business confidence was bigger than either after 9/11 or the Lehman brothers bank crash"

"business confidence for future activity suffered its greatest monthly drop in its 14-year history."

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/07/19/the-story-the-media-isnt-telling-falling-business-confidence-in-the-budget/

don_quixote
21-07-2010, 12:49 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/jul/20/ashes-sky-government-free-to-air

what with this and the 'reduce the license fee' talk over the weekend, looks like their might be something in the rumoured "murdoch deal"

sufi
22-02-2011, 11:16 PM
blatantly hypocritical warmongering SCUM

Bosses from major arms and aerospace companies such as BAe Systems, Qinetiq and Thales joined the Prime Minister on the plane which last night arrived in Kuwait. Other defence contractors present included bosses from the Cobham Group, Ultra Electronics, Rolls Royce, Babcock International Group and Atkins.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00657/news-graphics-2008-_657936a.jpg


... Since the General Election, Britain has sold crowd control ammunition, sniper rifles and tear gas to Tripoli.

crackerjack
12-09-2011, 11:17 AM
Time to lower the tone.

If someone were to mention Tory minister, cocaine and hookers, where would your money be?

This could be fun. (http://order-order.com/2011/09/12/50318/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+guidofawkes+%28Guy+Fawkes%27+ blog+of+parliamentary+plots%2C+rumours+and+conspir acy%29)

Sectionfive
12-09-2011, 11:22 AM
Ah yes.

What's a Tory government without a prostitute scandal.

crackerjack
12-09-2011, 11:38 AM
Seems there's a hackgate angle to it too. Simply marvellous.

baboon2004
12-09-2011, 02:02 PM
Is it Theresa May?

Mr. Tea
12-09-2011, 02:17 PM
She's actually the one breaking the scandal:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41RDDPANBPL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

you
12-09-2011, 02:50 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/09/12/osborne-took-big-fat-line_n_958060.html
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2011/s3315998.htm
http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1236166298_quagmire_-_giggity.gif

crackerjack
12-09-2011, 03:08 PM
http://themanycumfacesofgeorgeosborne.tumblr.com/

crackerjack
09-10-2011, 06:38 PM
This Liam Fox scandal is weird, isn't it. Apart from Alan Duncan, are there any openly gay Tories above backbench level?

crackerjack
09-10-2011, 10:17 PM
And of course his shadowy, possibly corrupt, neocon connections. Rather hoping Craner might drop by to tell us about this Atlanticist group of his.

you
09-10-2011, 10:41 PM
This Liam Fox scandal is weird, isn't it. Apart from Alan Duncan, are there any openly gay Tories above backbench level?
i doubt it


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peAmygbh7CQ

you
09-10-2011, 10:44 PM
once you pop....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gws0E8E73uM&feature=related

crackerjack
11-10-2011, 11:49 AM
The weirdest aspect of this is that (and this is just wild speculation based on the whisperings in the media) having decided a prospective Tory leader needs to be married, he then makes his lover his best man. That's one diary entry I'd love to read.

DannyL
11-10-2011, 01:08 PM
I haven't been following this latest scandal - in fact was a bit annoyed it seemed to knock the Lords reading of the NHS Bill off the top spot - but what evidence is there in the public domain that Werrity is his lover?

DannyL
11-10-2011, 01:10 PM
The Guardian seem to be dancing around it, describing them as "close friends". I really need to start reading Private Eye again.

crackerjack
11-10-2011, 01:27 PM
I haven't been following this latest scandal - in fact was a bit annoyed it seemed to knock the Lords reading of the NHS Bill off the top spot - but what evidence is there in the public domain that Werrity is his lover?

No actual evidence at all, that I know of. Just a lot of in-the-know types dropping careful hints.

baboon2004
11-10-2011, 02:06 PM
I haven't been following this latest scandal - in fact was a bit annoyed it seemed to knock the Lords reading of the NHS Bill off the top spot - but what evidence is there in the public domain that Werrity is his lover?

Likewise, this should not be allowed to overshadow other things that will in the long run be way more important. The Tories are dicks in every way, and need to go...

Mr. Tea
13-10-2011, 11:20 PM
For great politics, follow the bear:

http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/58070/1318405785/hoffbear999.gif

Leo
24-02-2012, 02:19 PM
http://torycumfaces.tumblr.com/

e/y
24-02-2012, 02:24 PM
http://torycumfaces.tumblr.com/

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzw8qtwDXF1rqql6fo1_500.jpg

oh my

you
07-03-2012, 02:49 PM
http://notesfromthevomitorium.blogspot.com/2012/03/privatisation-bit-of-change-from-my.html

good old fashioned gove bashing

baboon2004
08-03-2012, 03:41 PM
Looks like the Bill is going to pass and healthcare is going to become a market. Up to 49 per cent of income from private patients. Look forward to "healthcare, by Sainsburys"....

Sectionfive
25-03-2012, 12:40 AM
lol

you
25-03-2012, 10:14 AM
peep: http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2012/03/20/james-meek/human-revenue-stream/

you
25-03-2012, 10:35 PM
For great politics, follow the bear:

http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/58070/1318405785/hoffbear999.gif

I'll have a bloody Tory (http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink11703.html) on the rocks (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17504798)

IdleRich
26-03-2012, 08:54 AM
In his resignation statement, Cruddas said: "I deeply regret any impression of impropriety arising from my bluster in that conversation. Clearly there is no question of donors being able to influence policy or gain undue access to politicians."
Clearly.

Mr. Tea
26-03-2012, 09:01 AM
http://o.onionstatic.com/images/articles/article/10476/money_0_jpg_445x1000_upscale_q85.jpg

baboon2004
26-03-2012, 10:12 AM
nope. the fact that the chancellor of the exchequer is the son of a baronet - pure coincidence. satire is dead at this point.

IdleRich
26-03-2012, 11:13 AM
It's ok now though...


Cruddas was last night replaced as treasurer by Lord Fink, a hedge fund manager and former CEO of Man Group.

Naughty sneaky


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiZ-0KS6Z5g

baboon2004
12-02-2013, 11:01 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21426928

fuck you, Tory bastards! (and you Blairite Labour bastards who introduced it)

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/02/workfare-ruled-illegal-only-narrow-terms

however, this is quite sobering. Can only hope that the furore/press avalanche unleashed by this ruling will make it politically impossible to reintroduce workfare schemes now.

Mr. Tea
02-02-2016, 07:17 PM
Some of you must have read about this by now:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/02/google-tories-are-labour-are-autocomplete-conspiracy-theories

93

http://www.dissensus.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=93&d=1454440510

One possible explanation is that all the common words typed after "Tories are..." or "Conservatives are..." are blocked by Google on the basis of their anti-obscenity policy, but it sounds pretty weak to me. And a friend of mine discovered Bing has no such qualms:

94

http://www.dissensus.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=94&d=1454440624

What do you reckon?

Mr. Tea
06-05-2016, 08:36 PM
Dunno if it's worth a thread by itself so I thought I'd put it here. I know not all the votes are in yet, but it's looking quite convincing so far.

http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/46786/1462552024/TheZacofKhanSm.gif

craner
06-05-2016, 10:11 PM
Seems like Scottish conservatives do exist, as I said.

Mr. Tea
06-05-2016, 10:21 PM
Seems like Scottish conservatives do exist, as I said.

Looks like it! I don't think I ever said they 'don't exist', but last year the Tories got 15% of the popular vote there vs. 41% in England, which is a pretty dramatic difference. And I surely don't need to point out that council elections are a different kettle of fish from generals elections.

craner
06-05-2016, 10:27 PM
Yes, I'm not going to argue about electoral numbers. My argument was always about the fallacy that Scots are inherently left-wing, as evidenced by historical Labour (industry) or SNP (nationalist) strangleholds.

Woebot
07-05-2016, 05:15 PM
Seems like Scottish conservatives do exist, as I said.

scottish independence is a fundamentally right-wing movement - just one which has a misleading socialist wrapper at the moment.

luka
07-05-2016, 05:44 PM
That's an interesting opinion. I'd love to hear more if you'd care to elaborate

Mr. Tea
07-05-2016, 06:40 PM
scottish independence is a fundamentally right-wing movement - just one which has a misleading socialist wrapper at the moment.

Aww c'mon, there's no reason you can't be both a nationalist and a socialist. Hell, you could even call yourself a 'national-socialist'! I think it has quite a nice ring to it, actually.

craner
08-05-2016, 08:48 PM
I'm not unsympathetic to Matt's view, as anybody could guess, but don't know enough about the origins of the SNP to back it up. There's certainly an element of that with Plaid, and Lianne Wood (who I like, but consider an ambitious Labour apostate rather than a real nationalist) is certainly deploying the populist Salmond template.

But these are essentially nationalist parties and can contain a broad coalition of left and right in their body. There are many Plaid members who distrust Lianne's left agenda and don't like the fact that they have a non-Welsh speaking leader - what is Welsh nationalism about other than language rights? There are even some fringe Welsh nationalists who would consider defecting to UKIP, which is hilarious.

Of all the parties, apart from the fascists and racists and some of the more extreme Communist and Trot sects, I like the nationalists the least.

craner
08-05-2016, 08:56 PM
In Wales we all tend to shorten the title Plaid Cymru to Plaid, which they love because it means 'The Party'.

Sinister fuckers.

Mr. Tea
08-05-2016, 11:11 PM
But let's get down to the real question: will the SNP ever be run by someone who isn't named after a fish? I mean, is it even allowed?

sadmanbarty
24-02-2017, 12:12 AM
Health spending per age group:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/01/ageing-britain-two-fifths-nhs-budget-spent-over-65s

% of over 65’s:

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.65UP.TO.ZS?end=2015&locations=GB&start=1960&view=chart

Tory's came to power in 2010

Healthcare spending per capita:

http://www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/uk-real-spending-per-capita.png

Healthcare spending % of GDP:

http://www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/health-care-spending-percent-gdp.png

It's been suggested that cuts to NHS have resulted in a rise in mortality:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/nhs-cuts-excess-deaths-30000-study-research-royal-society-medicine-london-school-hygiene-martin-a7585001.html

Mr. Tea
24-02-2017, 09:55 AM
It's been suggested that cuts to NHS have resulted in a rise in mortality:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/nhs-cuts-excess-deaths-30000-study-research-royal-society-medicine-london-school-hygiene-martin-a7585001.html

I think I read somewhere that an estimated 40,000 excess deaths have happened since 2010 as a result of austerity (NHS, benefits, everything). I'll see if I can find a source for it.

sadmanbarty
28-02-2017, 03:19 PM
205

leads to

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/12/nhs-bed-blocking-rises-42-year-new-figures-show/

particularly when

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.65UP.TO.ZS?end=2015&locations=GB&start=1960&view=chart

Mr. Tea
28-02-2017, 03:57 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/12/nhs-bed-blocking-rises-42-year-new-figures-show/

particularly when

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.65UP.TO.ZS?end=2015&locations=GB&start=1960&view=chart

Why wasn't the Remain campaign shouting this from the rooftops? It's probably the best pro-immigration argument there is, at least in terms of immigration from the EU. Without immigrants both to fund the NHS and staff it, the system's at risk of collapse under the weight of bed-bound biddies.

sadmanbarty
28-02-2017, 04:23 PM
Why wasn't the Remain campaign shouting this from the rooftops? It's probably the best pro-immigration argument there is, at least in terms of immigration from the EU. Without immigrants both to fund the NHS and staff it, the system's at risk of collapse under the weight of bed-bound biddies.

Cameron and Osborne couldn't say "immigration's not the problem, austerity is" because they were responsible for austerity. Corbyn, whether out of Bennite euroscepticism or incompetence, wasn't willing or able to pick up the slack.

Mr. Tea
28-02-2017, 04:27 PM
I meant the Labour side of the campaign, yes - such as it was - plus whatever centrist Tories may have had the balls to put pressure on the government from the left/centre in the same way the party's lunatic fringe did from the right.

baboon2004
03-04-2017, 11:21 AM
Not really sure which thread to put this in, but:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/apr/02/cancer-patients-family-stands-to-lose-50k-under-benefit-cuts

This case - aside from being horrendous at a human level - is an interesting one for the father's lifelong devotion to voting Tory ("I felt utterly let down"), and the general sense from both parents that 'we never believed this could happen to us'. Whereas of course, he or they were quite happy for similar devastation to happen to people poorer and more disposable than they felt themselves to be.

Interesting to know how other middle class Tory voters view the predicament of this family and similar cases i.e. people that they might relate to at some level, not just dismiss as the 'undeserving poor'.

Mr. Tea
03-04-2017, 12:01 PM
("I felt utterly let down"), and the general sense from both parents that 'we never believed this could happen to us'.

Or, as I've seen it succinctly put:

https://pics.onsizzle.com/never-thought-leopards-would-eat-my-face-sobs-woman-who-7081756.png

sadmanbarty
03-04-2017, 12:13 PM
"A low-income single parent with a baby, earning £17,300 a year, will be £530 worse off, losing £610 from benefit cuts while gaining £80 from tax cuts.

• A middle-income working couple earning £33,500 a year, with three children including a baby, will be £2,500 worse off overall, losing £2,700 from benefit cuts while gaining £160 from tax cuts.

• A high-income couple with two children, earning £100,000 a year, will be £480 better off, with no benefit losses and all gains stemming from tax cuts."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/01/huge-tax-giveaway-for-rich-as-poor-are-hit-george-osborne-tax-benefit-budget-changes

223

sadmanbarty
11-04-2017, 02:30 PM
Social care system 'beginning to collapse' as 900 carers quit every day

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39507859

A little context

225

and this probably isn't helping:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9DW6LmXcAADN9D.png

firefinga
11-04-2017, 03:14 PM
Not really sure which thread to put this in, but:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/apr/02/cancer-patients-family-stands-to-lose-50k-under-benefit-cuts

This case - aside from being horrendous at a human level - is an interesting one for the father's lifelong devotion to voting Tory ("I felt utterly let down"), and the general sense from both parents that 'we never believed this could happen to us'. Whereas of course, he or they were quite happy for similar devastation to happen to people poorer and more disposable than they felt themselves to be.

Interesting to know how other middle class Tory voters view the predicament of this family and similar cases i.e. people that they might relate to at some level, not just dismiss as the 'undeserving poor'.

It's just that those people then will very likely vote for the radical right in the next election.

baboon2004
11-04-2017, 06:59 PM
I don't know...maybe, but there's also a possibility that the mood is right for a resurgence of a party like the Lib Dems in the UK, as an outlet for people allergic to socialist ideas but disgusted by the depth of the neoliberal-inspired cuts. Especially if their views coincide on Brexit (i.e. those middle class people sympathetic to Remain).
You're probably right though, because I'm making the mistake of attributing some kind of rationality to people's voting intentions.

Did even some Conservative MPs express disgust at the most recent cuts, or was that my imagination?

Mr. Tea
11-04-2017, 08:47 PM
What I want to know is, where's the party for people who are actually fairly amenable to socialist ideas but who also look for something in a leader other than impotent purity?

firefinga
12-04-2017, 11:09 AM
Yes, there seems to be a (minor) trend of late that the neoliberal gospel isn't sacrosanct any longer and it's beeing critisized by a few conservative politicians/commentators lately. It's hardly bc of a deeper understanding how toxic that gospel is for society/environment etc - the thing which was called once "the common good".

I rather have the impression that finally the pyramide sheme that neoliberal policies are (cuts of taxes/benefits for the "undeserving" etc in order to secure the 10%+ profit rates for the 5% of the really rich) isn't working any longer since unemployment is deeply creeping into the middle classes these days. More and more people who (believed they) were always playing by the rules are getting thrown under the bus by those who promoted those rules.

Mr. Tea
18-04-2017, 11:20 AM
Snap election, June 8.


http://youtu.be/tsXEToflqGs

Corpsey
18-04-2017, 11:21 AM
Fuck.

firefinga
18-04-2017, 12:03 PM
Very clever move. Let's get the most out of it while you still can (and before the shit that will likely be caused by Brexit fully kicks in).

droid
18-04-2017, 12:09 PM
I think she would have been better off waiting it out and then jumping off the bus just before it careens off the cliff in about 2 years.

Further evidence that she is a power mad cretin.

droid
18-04-2017, 12:25 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9sDpg5XUAElkZV.jpg:large

john eden
18-04-2017, 12:28 PM
Al the more reason to crack on with the election.

I'm sure the police wouldn't want their investigations to interfere with these candidates' rights to participate in the democratic process? And after all they are innocent until proven guilty... best put it all on hold until after June... or the summer...

droid
18-04-2017, 12:37 PM
Especially seeing as the last election was so close that these guys may have actually have spoiled the entire thing.

I feel like there may be pattern here of close electoral decisions being pushed over the edge due to some kind of skullduggery, but I can't for the life of me think of any other examples.

baboon2004
18-04-2017, 01:00 PM
I think she would have been better off waiting it out and then jumping off the bus just before it careens off the cliff in about 2 years.

Further evidence that she is a power mad cretin.

She's definitely a power mad cretin, but doesn't this make sound political sense? When the shit hits the fan, she can still jump off the bus whenever she wants, after all. The one chink in her armour - aside from the fact she's leading the country to certain doom - is that she is presently unelected. And surely Labour would be in a much stronger position in 2020, when it will be far less easy to lie brazenly about the effects of leaving the EU?

She sounded like Skeletor in the press conference I've just seen: "Every vote for the Conservatives just makes me stronger".

What's the longest a single party has been in power in Western Europe post WWII?

firefinga
18-04-2017, 01:14 PM
As said, from the Conservatives/May's point of view, excellent tactical thinking. Labour in bad state, negative Brexit shitheap not in effect yet. UKIP as a party already a footnote (correct me if I am wrong, I am not in the UK and that's just my impression I get from occasional media coverage over here in Vienna). May's motivation for this possibly to a great extent to get a "mandate" (for whatever). Likely outcome: landslide victory for the Tories.

Those investigations mentioned above - does Julie Average care about it? Possibly not, isn't it public knowledge that "all politicians are corrupt"?

droid
18-04-2017, 01:52 PM
She's definitely a power mad cretin, but doesn't this make sound political sense? When the shit hits the fan, she can still jump off the bus whenever she wants, after all. The one chink in her armour - aside from the fact she's leading the country to certain doom - is that she is presently unelected. And surely Labour would be in a much stronger position in 2020, when it will be far less easy to lie brazenly about the effects of leaving the EU?

She sounded like Skeletor in the press conference I've just seen: "Every vote for the Conservatives just makes me stronger".

What's the longest a single party has been in power in Western Europe post WWII?

The problem with this path is that they now have to own the doom. 5 more years will mean presiding over the coming chaos of Brexit/Scotland/NI, and May will go down as the PM who broke up the UK. Waiting until 2019 when Brexit kicks in would have let them run for the hills whilst Labour try and deal with the mess, and then they can swoop in again 5 years later when enough people are sick of misery and clamouring for change.

That said, clearly its strategically sound as Labour's weakness it means they have a very good chance of winning, but that only matters if you're thinking short term.

droid
18-04-2017, 01:53 PM
What's the longest a single party has been in power in Western Europe post WWII?

Havent looked, but I imagine its Italy.

EDIT, no, its Luxembourg.


The Christian Social People's Party (CSV), with its predecessor Party of the Right, has governed Luxembourg continuously since 1917, except for 1974–79 and from 2013. However, Luxembourg has a coalition system, and the CSV has been in coalition with at least one of the two next two leading parties for all but four years. It has always won a plurality of seats in parliamentary elections, although it has lost the popular vote in 1964 and 1974.

baboon2004
18-04-2017, 03:21 PM
Thanks. Kind of appropriate, given the Uk's future role.

As to the strategy, I see what you mean. Though they'd probably end up shooting themselves in the foot, leg and head when Labour failed to win in 2019.

craner
18-04-2017, 07:29 PM
I don't know, but I get the impression that some people complaining that May has called an election - and contesting her right to do so - where previously complaining about the fact that she was an unelected PM.

Surely the Corbyn fans should be delighted - finally a chance to prove how electable he is.

droid
18-04-2017, 10:29 PM
Did you know that the term 'Tory' comes from the middle Irish word 'tóraidhe', meaning thief, robber or brigand?

firefinga
18-04-2017, 10:55 PM
Do the Tories have a "strategy" other than to be in it for the most possible individual personal gains anyways?

sadmanbarty
27-04-2017, 12:21 PM
228

https://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/publications/bns/BN196.pdf

baboon2004
27-04-2017, 02:10 PM
I knew Corbyn would be ahead on the under-30 vote, but that that lead extends to all under 40 is pretty surprising (and the extent of that lead among women under 40 is startling):

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-polls-snap-general-election-2017-live-poll-under-40s-young-people-older-winning-a7702616.html
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/pvsh4yddit/InternalResults_170420_Demographics_W.pdf

Would Corbyn be close to winning if over-65s are taken out of the picture? In Spain, Rajoy (conservative candidate) only won because of the over-65 vote, for example - I think the PP finished 3rd or 4th among under-65s, if i'm not mistaken.

sadmanbarty
11-06-2017, 07:41 PM
Corpsey- Ruth Davidson

Droid- David Davis

Craner- Anna Soubry

Sufi- Phillip Hammond

Luka- Ken Clark

Tea- Liam Fox

Vim- Jacob Rees Mogg

craner
11-06-2017, 10:13 PM
Excellent comparison, I love Soubry! Massive pro-EU warrior, big supporter of Citizens Advice, foreign policy internationalist, and has sexy eyes.

craner
11-06-2017, 10:18 PM
And drinks like a fish.

Mr. Tea
11-06-2017, 10:30 PM
Not sure I like the comparison to "Dr" Liam Fox. :eek:

droid
11-06-2017, 10:37 PM
This is the first time Ive seriously considered legal action for something someone has said about me on the internet.

craner
11-06-2017, 10:51 PM
Surely you and Sufi will be eligible for Legal Aid? At the least, Small Claims Court?

craner
11-06-2017, 10:55 PM
258

Mr. Tea
11-06-2017, 11:12 PM
Not sure I like the comparison to "Dr" Liam Fox. :eek:

I mean, he's not even a real fox!

sadmanbarty
11-06-2017, 11:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poRjqrGHKho

vimothy
13-06-2017, 09:19 PM
Vim- Jacob Rees Mogg

God damn it barty

sadmanbarty
13-06-2017, 10:11 PM
We miss you Vim. How's the child rearing going? Is it your first kid?

ps. Luka called you L Dot Man in another thread.

droid
14-06-2017, 02:43 PM
Some of the stuff coming out about local councils, landlords and Tory cuts re the Grenfell nightmare is just appalling.


https://youtu.be/PThUgYQgqjY

droid
14-06-2017, 04:38 PM
Fucking hell.


Residents at the block were so concerned about fire safety after the recent refurbishment works in March that they requested an independent fire safety assessor to come in to review the safety of the building, but their request was rejected, the Labour councillor responsible for the block said.

She said tenants were concerned about the fire risk during and after recent refurbishment works and repeatedly raised their concerns with her.

Judith Blackman, Labour housing spokeswoman and who is on the board of the Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation (KCTMO), which runs the council’s homes, said:

We were constantly being fobbed off. All our concerns were being ignored. Our request for an independent safety adjudicator was turned down. We were told it was unnecessary.

Blackman said she raised the concerns of the residents with colleagues on the board so frequently that the board tried to have her removed from her position. The board said there was no need to employ an independent assessor, told her that their own checks were adequate, and said it “was not necessary to fund or instruct an independent adjudicator at this time”.

Blackman said:

I was treated like I was a nuisance. I raised 19 complaints on behalf of individual residents. Every single time we were told that the board had satisfied itself that the fire safety was fine. We were told that the go inside and wait policy was absolutely right.

In a letter to KCTMO, Blackman shared the residents’ concerns with the group. “I can’t think it all my 34 years on the Council of anything that has gone on for so long in such an irresponsible manner and caused such concern to residents,” she wrote.

john eden
14-06-2017, 04:56 PM
Yeah it's been sickening day.

There's going to be some major arse covering going on.

droid
14-06-2017, 05:10 PM
Gavin Barwell should be the first casualty of May's new regime. Despicable behaviour.