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dubplatestyle
13-03-2005, 11:09 PM
were there any good comps of this stuff? or (especially!) mixes?? i don't think i have ever heard this stuff mixed, despite being some of my favorite music like ever.

dominic
13-03-2005, 11:28 PM
xl second chapter

and then courtesy of jimbackhouse, there's reactivate volumes 1 through 3 on the react label

don't know of any mixes that are *exclusively* belgian hardcore

Clubberlang
13-03-2005, 11:30 PM
There are a couple of R&S comps (Vintage R&S, I think?) that are really good. I don't think commercial CD mixes really caught on until after the Belgian hey day (I don't think there are any big bleep mixes either, but I could be wrong about both.)

Clubberlang
13-03-2005, 11:36 PM
Actually looking at the R&S discogs thing there are a hell of lot more than just a couple, but they aren't exclusively Belgian either (a lot of 'ardkore hits mixed in there.)

dominic
13-03-2005, 11:37 PM
and there's always the "everything starts with an e" site

try the stu allen mix from 1991 -- that should be a good bet for a mix heavy on belgian stuff

redcrescent
13-03-2005, 11:56 PM
Belgianisms. Compilations (http://poesienoire.free.fr/mirrors/www.robotnik.com-synthesis/nbcomp.html) and some history (http://www.jahsonic.com/NewBeat.html) off jahsonic.com.

dominic
14-03-2005, 12:05 AM
and there's always the "everything starts with an e" site

try the stu allen mix from 1991 -- that should be a good bet for a mix heavy on belgian stuff

i'm actually listening to the stu allen mix right now -- lots of belgian stuff, but not too groovy (though it gets better toward the end -- also, this mix seems to have 92 stuff on it, despite being filed on the site as 91)

for a better take -- go w/ the grooverider mixes

all these mixes are a mix of uk breakbeat, proto jungle, and belgian -- which is how it was

dubplatestyle
14-03-2005, 12:43 AM
yeah i had those xl comps, but they're still out in washington in a storage locker.

what's this "everything starts with an e" site?

dominic
14-03-2005, 12:43 AM
actually if anyone does listen to this stu allen mix, then time to play another round of ID the dance track game . . . .

okay here goes: what's the song toward the end of the mix, perhaps 4 or 5 tracks away from the end of the mix, b/w the track that has the dominator riff and the track w/ the "don't be afraid" sample

this is a really well-known track -- a massive hit (altern8???) -- and i've been trying to have various people ID this track off a tape of stu allen's radio show that i have from summer of 91 -- so funny that it should appear on the stu allen on-line mix (@amnesia@shelley's in 1991)

the 1992 track "living dream" by new class A has the same bassline

any answers?

dominic
14-03-2005, 12:44 AM
what's this "everything starts with an e" site?

http://www.everythingstartswithe.co.uk/

Pearsall
14-03-2005, 01:22 AM
There was a 'Best of Reactivate' 3-disc cd set that came out not that long ago that had an entire cd of Belgian stuff/

dominic
14-03-2005, 08:41 AM
just woke up this morning (really early!) -- anyway now i'm playing the other stu allen mix from 1991 on the everything starts w/ an e site -- the one from new age@eclipse (i.e., the mix that is 47 minutes long) -- really really ultra groovy but less heavy on the belgian hits -- it's got the massive uk hits (and a healthy dose of italian poptastism)!

dominic
14-03-2005, 09:02 AM
if i lived in the uk i'd be one of those sad old bags who goes to old skool events every weekend

stelfox
14-03-2005, 11:19 AM
whoah that everything starts with an e site is AMAZING!

Ach!
14-03-2005, 03:22 PM
I've had <a target="_blank" href="http://www.discogs.com/release/11576">this ARS (!) compilation</a> since about 1992 I think. DIdn't think much of it at the time as it seemed dated in relation to all the breakbeat 'ardkore i was listening to, but it's pretty good - got some of the classics on there. I can yousendit if anyone would like (as long as there are no legal or moral issues about it).

baboon2004
07-09-2005, 02:54 PM
Revive!

That Reactivate 3CD comp is fantastic - evrything from Mentasm to Horsepower on there. Any further recommendations?

baboon2004
07-09-2005, 02:57 PM
Of course, 'James Brown is Dead' is still the best title for a track ever.

Ironic that it should appear so shortly after Public Enemy (on Fight the Power, above all) proved JB to be very much alive and kicking in a very different context.

Pearsall
07-09-2005, 03:06 PM
Revive!

That Reactivate 3CD comp is fantastic - evrything from Mentasm to Horsepower on there. Any further recommendations?

If you can get your hands on either of the first two R&S 'In Order to Dance' comps they are highly worthwhile.

Slightly different, but Flux Trax 1 (http://www.discogs.com/release/42195) and Flux Trax 2 (http://www.discogs.com/release/62655) are probably two of my favorite compilations of late 80's/early 90's house, techno and trance (especially Flux Trax 2). If you can find them I heartily recommend them.

Slightly later and slightly faster, but Prolekulture (http://www.discogs.com/release/146509) was a really excellent comp as well.

mms
07-09-2005, 07:27 PM
Of course, 'James Brown is Dead' is still the best title for a track ever.

Ironic that it should appear so shortly after Public Enemy (on Fight the Power, above all) proved JB to be very much alive and kicking in a very different context.

there was an answer track 'james brown is still alive'
fucking kicking track that
jesus loves the acid by ecstacy club is just the most unbelievable record i dont own i tell you.
i met a guy last night who was a new beat producer and engineered at r and s early on, told me a story about engineering for derrick may when he came over to do new stuff for r and s , and he came up with eight bars of music over a few days. what a shame.

hamarplazt
07-09-2005, 08:17 PM
Of course, 'James Brown is Dead' is still the best title for a track ever.

'James Brown is Dead' is still the best track ever.

DigitalDjigit
07-09-2005, 08:32 PM
"JFK is Dead" gives it a run for the money despite being a blatant rip-off.

hamarplazt
07-09-2005, 08:54 PM
"JFK is Dead" gives it a run for the money despite being a blatant rip-off.
The thing about 'James Brown is Dead' is that it was such a revelation, nothing had sounded so massive and scary and brutally empty before. When I listen back to tracks like 'Energy Flash' and 'Mentasm' today, they sound rather dated. I mean, I can hear why they were influential and important and all that, back then, but now they sound somewhat thin, where JBiD is as powerfull and exhilarating as ever, still taking a sledgehammer to the minds eye.

DigitalDjigit
07-09-2005, 09:10 PM
The thing about 'James Brown is Dead' is that it was such a revelation, nothing had sounded so massive and scary and brutally empty before. When I listen back to tracks like 'Energy Flash' and 'Mentasm' today, they sound rather dated. I mean, I can hear why they were influential and important and all that, back then, but now they sound somewhat thin, where JBiD is as powerfull and exhilarating as ever, still taking a sledgehammer to the minds eye.

That's funny because I have a completely opposite reaction. Energy Flash is as vital as ever. That minimalistic bassline and hard kick with that little reverb on the clap that just puts it over the top...this will never get old and be forever the pinnacle of techno. The stabs of JBID are very very dated. I love the track but it's somewhat embarassing. And those military marching synths... If anything it's JBID that is thin, the bottom end is a lot fuller in Energy Flash. JBID has barely any bass at all, it's all in the mid-range.

But JBID had a lot more immitators for sure. Those stabs are the foundation for all the rave music that followed in the next 3 years while Energy Flash didn't really result in anything that sounded like it.

hamarplazt
07-09-2005, 09:28 PM
I love the track but it's somewhat embarassing. And those military marching synths... ...JBID has barely any bass at all, it's all in the mid-range.

Of course, all this is part of what makes it so great. A rave classic should be slightly embarassing, that's part of what makes it so exciting. 'Energy Flash' is almost tasteful and was still very close to traditional detroit/new york/chicago house, whereas JBiD was something totally new, the great leap forward. I love bass, but I also love the use of a lot of empty space in the sound, and the way JBiD do that is just amazing, almost a paradox - making the sound thick and heavy through the use of void!

appleblim
07-09-2005, 10:49 PM
mms on the money!

jesus loves the acid is a monumental tune!

one of the first rave things i heard....a friend of mine went to live in hackney for a year and brought back all these bonkers records....D-Shake 'yaaah', Ecstasy Club, 'energy flash' and tapes of Colins Dale and faver....our lives were changed!

a girl i new who was gettin rid of her old acid records GAVE me her copy of Jesus Loves The Acid!

owen
08-09-2005, 04:30 PM
crikey where do you find these bloody compilations

anyway i would like to say that T99's 'Anasthasia' has the best opening few seconds of any record of the 1990s...like all the good bits in orff turned into gonzo machinic joy

they were belgian, yes?

mms
08-09-2005, 04:37 PM
mms on the money!

jesus loves the acid is a monumental tune!

one of the first rave things i heard....a friend of mine went to live in hackney for a year and brought back all these bonkers records....D-Shake 'yaaah', Ecstasy Club, 'energy flash' and tapes of Colins Dale and faver....our lives were changed!

a girl i new who was gettin rid of her old acid records GAVE me her copy of Jesus Loves The Acid!

COLIN DALES ABSTRACT DANCE!

Canada J Soup
08-09-2005, 09:06 PM
there was an answer track 'james brown is still alive'

And don't forget (as if anyone could!) 'Who the fuck is James Brown' by Traumatic Stress.

Didn't 'James Brown is Dead' chart in the US? My girlfriend used to vaguely know one of the guys involved and apparently it kept him in pocket money throughout much of the 1990s. Have also heard that one of the other LA Style d00ds went on to create the Venga Boys.

mms
08-09-2005, 10:07 PM
And don't forget (as if anyone could!) 'Who the fuck is James Brown' by Traumatic Stress.

Didn't 'James Brown is Dead' chart in the US? My girlfriend used to vaguely know one of the guys involved and apparently it kept him in pocket money throughout much of the 1990s. Have also heard that one of the other LA Style d00ds went on to create the Venga Boys.

pretty sure from what i talked about earlier - ie my meeting with one of the new beat people that alot of em went into something bigger.

but from the impression new beat was something bigger than the post -consenssus we have about it, closer to neu deutche whelle or whatever it was than t99.

bassnation
08-09-2005, 11:13 PM
COLIN DALES ABSTRACT DANCE!

i've got this in the house:
http://www.discogs.com/release/34477

outlander "the vamp" - that riff!

dominic
09-09-2005, 08:28 AM
pretty sure from what i talked about earlier - ie my meeting with one of the new beat people that alot of em went into something bigger.

but from the impression new beat was something bigger than the post -consenssus we have about it, closer to neu deutche whelle or whatever it was than t99.

this is old territory (http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=1037&highlight=precaution) mates

dominic
09-09-2005, 08:33 AM
though by saying "old territory," i hardly mean to suggest the subject is exhausted

i remain very curious about the paths followed all the early rave producers, before before rave, and after rave

dominic
09-09-2005, 08:46 AM
Didn't 'James Brown is Dead' chart in the US?

yes -- it was massive


Have also heard that one of the other LA Style d00ds went on to create the Venga Boys.

yes -- there were two producers in la style = michael van der kuy (http://www.discogs.com/artist/Michael+van+der+Kuy) & wessel van diepen (http://www.discogs.com/artist/DJ+Delmundo) -- and, errr, both were dutch -- and van diepen later did the vengaboys project

hamarplazt
09-09-2005, 08:53 AM
there were two producers in la style = michael van der kuy (http://www.discogs.com/artist/Michael+van+der+Kuy) & wessel van diepen (http://www.discogs.com/artist/DJ+Delmundo) -- and, errr, both were dutch -- and van diepen later did the vengaboys project
Yeah, I've heard that too... but then, who was Denzil Slemming? Just a goofy name they put on the records to stay annonymous?

mms
09-09-2005, 11:30 AM
this is old territory (http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=1037&highlight=precaution) mates
hmm i might be able to help that soon

Gido
09-09-2005, 12:03 PM
the first two compilations of the serious beats series where good, they are pure belgium/dutch rave style (which is pretty much the same language, different accent.) a couple of my big favourites at the time like 'the spirit' are on there.
you could/can get all these comps in second hand cd stores for almost nothing here in holland. they where hugely populair, and then quickly abandoned. maybe out of shame, but mainly because anything below 150, then 180, 200, 220... was just too slow, too OLD.

Gido
09-09-2005, 12:28 PM
regarding the route these producers took, i know a lot of hardcore producers where into eighties hiphop. its kinda funny how there's a lot of vocal samples from that time, but hardly any tracks use nineties hiphop, even now.

i know fierce ruling diva (atomic slide/rubb it in) they're my best friends, jeff was into new pop (basically everything in part 2 of riuasa) and jeroen into ska/punk/pop, theres an interview with him here, http://www.thingstocome.com/news/news10-26-02.shtml you can hear that ska thing in all those party animals songs...

and, btw, funny thing with these compilations... the producers had to pay to get on there, all these kids were buying them so if you wanted your name to be out there...

baboon2004
09-09-2005, 01:10 PM
Did James Brown ever hear 'James Brown is Dead' though? And what in hell's name did he think?

Grievous Angel
09-09-2005, 01:11 PM
is that link right?

crapping out here :(

Canada J Soup
09-09-2005, 03:45 PM
van diepen later did the vengaboys project
Ha! Love it. One of those apocryphal stories that deep down I knew had to be true.

dominic
09-09-2005, 08:14 PM
i know fierce ruling diva (atomic slide/rubb it in) they're my best friends

tell your friends that they've still got at least one admirer!

they're among the all-time greats in my book

dominic
09-09-2005, 08:15 PM
is that link right?

if you're referring to the link that i provided to the michiel van der kuy site, then i'm afraid it doesn't seem to work anymore -- i.e., not even close to working -- so the site must have been dismantled between last march and now

Leo
05-02-2015, 06:56 PM
guessing this would go here...new comp, fun stuff.

http://www.residentadvisor.net/images/reviews/2015/mpddigi001-romaron.jpg


https://soundcloud.com/mentalgroove/ro-maron-minimix