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luka
23-05-2010, 01:42 AM
please exaplin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjAantupsA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOBUqCIXXWY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbt30UnzRWw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG70rsLUjfQ

swears
23-05-2010, 02:05 AM
Bowie, innit.

baboon2004
23-05-2010, 02:17 AM
one of his lesser-recognised influences, but definitely so. the genius of the man never ceases to amaze me - well, OK, it ceased to amaze me around the time of Little Wonder, but that's another tale.

luka
23-05-2010, 06:14 AM
not convinced by that explanation.... something more ambitious please

luka
23-05-2010, 06:20 AM
not convinced by that explanation.... something more ambitious please

luka
23-05-2010, 06:26 AM
not convinced by that explanation.... something more ambitious please

scottdisco
23-05-2010, 09:10 AM
that's a quality burger on your tumblr swears

mms
23-05-2010, 09:40 AM
ween are the best at sending up bowie affected voice pretension.

luka
23-05-2010, 09:52 AM
what about the g.clinton axis? this is bigger than bowie i swear it!

massrock
23-05-2010, 12:10 PM
The expression and redemption of alienation through self-alienisation.

It's both literal and surreal.

That applies to both Bowie and Clinton of course.

The 80s (and late 70s) wer completely rife with weird affected vocals in pop.

You know, what is she doing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4zw-2qyrUs

Or the obvious - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHy3b7tsSyk

Not limited to the 80s though. Now it's auto-tune?

massrock
23-05-2010, 12:15 PM
It goes all the way back to Doo-wop and the start of Rock and Roll. Even weird affected vocals in Jazz before that.

muser
23-05-2010, 03:56 PM
lots of the modern folky singers do weird voices, and that warbbling transvestite that was shagging the twins in coco rosie. And the tiger lillies.

muser
23-05-2010, 03:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OinwHOZ2Erw

muser
23-05-2010, 04:05 PM
a bit offtopic


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEk5odW6KGY

mms
23-05-2010, 10:46 PM
lots of the modern folky singers do weird voices, and that warbbling transvestite that was shagging the twins in coco rosie. And the tiger lillies.

yes and lots of older folkies had a kind of effected country burr and silly old lyrics.

DigitalDjigit
23-05-2010, 11:02 PM
I reckon the Talking Heads should be a part of this discussion.

luka
24-05-2010, 06:41 AM
talking heads was definetly what i had in mind...
obviously people have put on stupid voices before the 80s... i am aware of that... just seemed to become the norm in the 80s... i would include autotune as an extension of that... dunno about everything else you lot have said....

massrock
24-05-2010, 01:03 PM
Talking Heads voices aren't all that weird are they? Compared to what?

baboon2004
24-05-2010, 01:47 PM
talking heads was definetly what i had in mind...


something more ambitious needed!

Mr. Tea
24-05-2010, 01:57 PM
If we're talking influences - Bryan Ferry, duh!

"Bay-by Jane's-in Aca-pulco, ouee-are fly-ing down-to RIO-O-O-O!"

Slothrop
24-05-2010, 02:15 PM
I'm going with:
post punk rejection of rawk authenticity with its consequent need to sing as unaffectedly as possible
b2b
increasingly intellectual music culture meaning that people forming bands are influenced by Artaud, Brecht, Weil etc as well as the Beatles and the Stones.

Although people are right that there are precedents for it going back a lot earlier.

Mr. Tea
24-05-2010, 02:20 PM
I like John Lydon's super-precise enunciation, it's kind of so correct as to be sarcastic. Very English and, by trad '70s standards, very un-rock'n'roll (and therefore all the more punk).

PeteUM
24-05-2010, 02:43 PM
increasingly intellectual music culture meaning that people forming bands are influenced by Artaud, Brecht, Weil etc as well as the Beatles and the Stones.

Yeah I've been wondering about this 80s affected voice thing for a while and had come to the conclusion that Bowie is somewhere near its source and had spawned a zillion singer-types who wanted to be a bit literary, a bit theatrical, look a bit mad and intense and as if they might know a bit about German expressionism etc. This must be true of the UK although it gets a bit more of a diluted influence by the time it gets to the US and I'm not sure it's got anything to do with Word Up etc. I think after a while it just because such a dominant cultural meme that it became produced and consumed without people thinking about it, like metal dudes growling or whatever. I know that's a bit vague.

I think local Cambridge band Stormed would be a good example of this, for the silly voice:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdVu5UJagIQ&feature=related

and this for the look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfvnS1zr4b4&feature=related

skull kid
24-05-2010, 02:58 PM
yeah bryan ferry is responsible for this

bowie's voice is way more soulful than he gets credit for

skull kid
24-05-2010, 03:05 PM
and jacques brel by way of bryan ferry/scott walker is the ultimate start point

mistersloane
24-05-2010, 03:18 PM
Yeah Pete UM um :) the money there. German expressionism, the last throes of modernism, belief in originality coupled with the (re)allowance of affectation. You could also argue that house, with its repetition and destruction of language (jack, jack the groove) was the end of modernism/beginning of something else maybe.

I don't think Larry Blackmon's voice is part of the same thing, he was singing like that cos he was hanging out in Atlanta and really liked Bootsy.

PeteUM
24-05-2010, 03:56 PM
yeah bryan ferry is responsible for this

bowie's voice is way more soulful than he gets credit for


It took me a long time to fully appreciate Roxy Music's influence and I'm enjoying Michael Bracewell's Re-make/Re-model book at the moment. I think Ferry's affected voice will have fed into what i was talking about above but there is also a distinct strand of portentous, theatrical vocal stylisation that is rooted in a kind of literary/theatrical European-ness whereas Roxy were all about an American-influenced idea of pop-culture. Like, a band like Bauhaus could be influenced by Bowie but less so by Roxy Music, I would argue. Again, these are ideas in search of a theory, really.

CrowleyHead
24-05-2010, 10:42 PM
Technically, Bolan was doing the affected stuff really early too though, no? Which reminds me of this song in particular...

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swears
25-05-2010, 12:37 AM
Bowie's voice got more affected as time went on, in some kind of weird feedback loop with rest of the culture.

bb_rebozo
25-05-2010, 02:48 AM
almost any 80s sucker was into hedonism. there were just a few affected plus weird:

genesis p. orridge

holger hiller

ian curtis

bob dylan, established weird voice since the 60s until now

maybe gary numan a little