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alo
22-06-2010, 09:56 PM
From my new blog @ http://www.zamazamablog.blogspot.com/
Been thinking about doing one for a while. Well, about 5 years. Had a few thoughts about old Timbasnozz...
For your perusal..... Be kind....



“Elsewhere, limp acoustic effort Timothy Where You Been, featuring Jet, answers the question nobody asked: just what has Timbaland been up to since the first Shock Value?”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/reviews/rmq4


On the way to Llandudno today and Justin Timberlake slipped into the car stereo. (And The Best of Swing 95', but that's for another day) Yeah, Justin Timberlake and Timbo, you remember: 2006, FutureSexLoveSounds. The last time England played embarrassingly badly at a major world football tournament you may recall, and the last time I was excited about Tim, currently mulching out radio stations the nation over with JT (Not John Terry, the other one) on 2010's strictly auto-piloted 'Carry Out'.
Now, contrary to Mike Diver at the BBC, I seriously doubt I'm the first one asking this, but what the hell happened to ol' Timbaland? Back in '06, when the still relatively new 'blogosphere' was alive with rockist/popist accusatory tit for tats, and the sound of the charts was smudged thickly with the rank stain of MOR Indie, the Popist corner clung to Tim like hopeful eyeliner smeared street urchins, a good decade of subversive, envelope pushing pop having reached a critical nexus. Then came 'My Love', the woozy, half speed, rave inflected love song which hit the critical/commercial G spot no end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osQv9_RQUJY
Now, (and I know this is probably more overworked blog matter but I'm new to this so give me a chance. Next week I'll be bored of it... Back to 'The Hills' on MTV) at some stage I was thinking about writing a post regarding Japan who, after much oohing and aahing I am finally getting into, and I was thinking this: There will always be a flow of music somewhere. It flows and moves and mutates and develops at various different speeds, and it stagnates and it collects in little pools here and there. Some new developments, people -or media- may be resistant or ignorant to for a while, but there will always be (we hope) 'good' music with forward movement as its criteria. Regardless, for me, and for the Popists to some extent, the most exciting junctures are those in which you can feel new ideas connect with a wider audience, those little sparks of frisson where something breaks through, when you read journos recalling seeing Morrissey or David Sylvian for the first time, (usually on TOTP eh?) or secreting upon the clandestine world of Acid House. In 1982, the Japan single Ghosts, a beatless, wheezing, electronic poem of brooding unease and tension, with garbled reports from some sinister mainframe system chirruping throughout, made number 5 on the UK chart. How un-nerving and exciting it must have been to see criteria for Pop lurch so suddenly this way. That era though of course, seems so ripe with lurching; a constant movement of ideas and one-upmanship programmed in by the Year Zero of the Punk years and the flowering of outsider-ism into Pop via new media. (King Reynolds covered all that pretty comprehensively, so he did.http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rip-Up-Start-Again-1978-1984/dp/0571215696 ) Now, Timbo is no New Waver, his DNA is strictly different from the chatty maelstrom of early 80’s British PostPunkPop, but he could send similar dimples of idiosyncratic excitement rippling across the heart of the mainstream, converting influences into new, un-categorisable forms.

Popular music, or charting music, can, of course, be made up of genre specific music, Garage, HipHop, kind-of-Indie-without-the-Indie for instance, but it is at its most successful when genreless; an empty vessel transporting and transforming ideas. People, possibly because of over-familiarity, can quite easily forget that 'Thriller' for example, moved beyond its distant constituent parts of Disco, Soul, Rock, before it docked tranluscently as Pop Masterpiece No.1. It is the same with the most famous Beatles songs. What are they exactly? What is Penny Lane? Or Eleanor Rigby? Well they're Pop music now whatever that is. They have defined Pop music those Beatles songs, and yet they are hard to categorise. (More on that here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zddh5Vp-ApI)


It seems now however, that everybody has worked out what Pop music is. American Idol/X factor knows what a Pop star looks and sounds like, and that is the criteria on which the contestants progress. "Well, you look like a Pop star, a Morrisette/Aguilera/Beyonce, so I can imagine you as a Pop star..."


Japan's Ghosts didn't become a Pop template by any measure. There wasn't a flood of beatless, wheezing, electronic poems in the charts, and the British youth of 82 moved on to Duran Duran or whatever, but what Timbaland was doing 5 years ago kind of has become a template. Pop music now sounds like an equation or formula, a meeting point of one part House, one part Electro or grade 2 SynthPop/Electroclash, one part HipHop/ R+B; that same 80's handclap swing, the same synthetic sounds for everybody, from Justin Bieber, to Katy Perry, to Aguilera, to Gaga. Just add water. Oh, and two parts Timbo.


Because, ever since he moved in those synths with hiccupping rhythm chassis as part of the Pop furniture, Timbos default settings have been subsumed into the new, but crucially, format formulaic Pop mix. His synths opened it up for Diddy and his Ibiza years, for Gaga and her SynthPop/Electroclash shout outs, for everyone to co-adopt this bastard child and become a Pop Star. And now he's a Pop Star too; and loving every minute judging by that terrible, phoned in Katy Perry abomination in which he smugs it up through every second of the 'in-search-of-a-idea-fuck-it-film-it-in-a-club' video. Thanks to Tim, the new Pop sound is finally a curious, genreless mix, but it is not the thrilling beast of 'Eleanor Rigby', 'Thriller', 'Ghosts' or 'My Love', it's a kind of sugary muesli for the ears, with a large scoop of syncopated synth mix from the scoop-and-save Timbo barrel. That’s not entirely all his fault of course, Pop music will always pool into stagnant tropes regardless of constituent parts, and regardless of Tim’s popularity/ backing-dancer shagging ratio. There are far too many Simon Cowellites in the biz waiting to sell you something you’ve already heard as an apparently failsafe commercial plan, from somebody that already looked/sounded like a Pop Star from the ritual of audition; Singing ‘Try Again’ to a panel who have failed to understand (despite their supposed credentials, and unlike Gaga to her credit) that all great Pop Stars come from a lineage of freakish, outsider-ism, not from the bottle.


Still, keep smiling Tim, and crank it out. You deserve it son. Timbaland sausages coming soon.

michael
22-06-2010, 11:25 PM
Most bods I know IRL who like Timbaland beats still think Shock Value was really fucking awful and haven't bothered investigating the 2nd one, so I don't expect there'll be much dissent with the gist of what you've written.

Around the time of JT's second album there was a lot of nudging towards the idea that most of the responsibility could be put with the engineer, Danja, who I know was also on Nelly Furtado's 'Loose'. Certainly that album Danja produced for Britney sounded real similar to the stuff that Tim was credited as producing.

So am wondering if Danja is no longer "engineering" for Timbaland? Anyone know? Am sure I could sift about on discogs.com but it's a bit murky.

Cos I'd agree the recent stuff I've heard is really shit. Mind you, some of the stuff has been decent enough beats but just poo songs - '4 Minutes' anyone? The almost identical 'Elevator'?


Hmm, Wikipedia says Danja rhymes with ganja not danger. Curious.


Also, I hate the way Tim does goggle-eyes at the camera in most every video ... and the way he has fat rolls on his neck. There I said it.

cobretti
23-06-2010, 12:45 AM
He's actually just Fresh Kid Ice with a facelift, telling Danja what to do.

dave
23-06-2010, 07:46 AM
Most bods I know IRL who like Timbaland beats still think Shock Value was really fucking awful and haven't bothered investigating the 2nd one
That sounds familiar :D

I owned Shock Value for less than 24 hours. I still love "The Way I Are" but the rest was pants.

I listen to some clips from Shock Value II but it wasn't my bag.

gumdrops
23-06-2010, 09:37 AM
everyone knows hes shit now. though there are still monents of cool stuff, its just not really as radical a break from what we already know (from him or everyone else out there). the main prob is that the songs are just horrendous, the collaborators are crap (or just ill suited) and the biggest problem is timbo himself. im not sure if he ever had much charm (though he didnt seem as much of a git as he does now on his older solo stuff) but hes really become quite unlikeable. and smug. and annoying, esp in all the videos. hes as bad as pharrell.

routes
23-06-2010, 10:20 AM
one of my oldest mates works as a sound engineer in la and he said that the worst kept secret in the studio there is that timba is tone deaf and can't produce for shit. he has a guy called angel who gets paid shitloads of money but doesn't get any published credit and he just sits there polishing timba's turds with distressors and ultracompressors and supacompounders and multiband gritifiers...

gumdrops
23-06-2010, 10:22 AM
hmmm i thought jimmy douglas was his trusty right hand man/engineer, even to this day.

hint
23-06-2010, 12:42 PM
Most of these big name guys have a "team". It's producing in the official sense of the word - he gets people together and makes things happen.

petergunn
23-06-2010, 01:36 PM
but what Timbaland was doing 5 years ago kind of has become a template. Pop music now sounds like an equation or formula, a meeting point of one part House, one part Electro or grade 2 SynthPop/Electroclash, one part HipHop/ R+B; that same 80's handclap swing, the same synthetic sounds for everybody, from Justin Bieber, to Katy Perry, to Aguilera, to Gaga. Just add water. Oh, and two parts Timbo.


Because, ever since he moved in those synths with hiccupping rhythm chassis as part of the Pop furniture, Timbos default settings have been subsumed into the new, but crucially, format formulaic Pop mix. His synths opened it up for Diddy and his Ibiza years, for Gaga and her SynthPop/Electroclash shout outs, for everyone to co-adopt this bastard child and become a Pop Star. And now he's a Pop Star too; and loving every minute judging by that terrible, phoned in Katy Perry abomination in which he smugs it up through every second of the 'in-search-of-a-idea-fuck-it-film-it-in-a-club' video. Thanks to Tim, the new Pop sound is finally a curious, genreless mix, but it is not the thrilling beast of 'Eleanor Rigby', 'Thriller', 'Ghosts' or 'My Love', it's a kind of sugary muesli for the ears, with a large scoop of syncopated synth mix from the scoop-and-save Timbo barrel.




this is pretty true,,, but "5 years ago" should read "10 years ago" at this point, no?

alex
23-06-2010, 01:51 PM
while we are on this topic, could somebody ID a tune for me?

On the video from youtube (that has been taken down now) where Tim & Jay Z are in the studio, what is the tune before the one before Dirt Off Your Shoulder, sort of sounds like the samples from Indian Flute.? Any ideas...?

(He should make more tunes like this tbh)

hint
23-06-2010, 06:56 PM
while we are on this topic, could somebody ID a tune for me?

On the video from youtube (that has been taken down now) where Tim & Jay Z are in the studio, what is the tune before the one before Dirt Off Your Shoulder, sort of sounds like the samples from Indian Flute.? Any ideas...?

(He should make more tunes like this tbh)

Don't have the video handy right now, but my guess is that you're talking about the beat that went on to be Ludacris - The Potion

hint
23-06-2010, 08:32 PM
The other good Timbo beat on that clip is Brandy - Come As You Are.

Which, now I think about it, sounds more like your description of it being like Indian Flute.

craner
23-06-2010, 08:34 PM
I'd just say -- you overwrite, and forget Reynolds and Tim Finney and all that and find your own style and obssessions. Writing about Japan and Timbaland will get you nowhere now.

gumdrops
23-06-2010, 08:39 PM
i would suggest finding someone borderline shit and praising him to the skies and inserting lots of hifalutin theory as you do.

craner
23-06-2010, 09:01 PM
I'm not being mean here.

craner
23-06-2010, 09:02 PM
I would suggest not writing about music at all.

craner
23-06-2010, 09:09 PM
Or, if so, more like this. (http://thequietus.com/articles/01922-paul-mccartney-the-beatles-wings-the-best-of) (Taking into account he got paid nothing for it.)

craner
23-06-2010, 09:11 PM
So maybe less like that if you want to earn £16,000 a year.

baboon2004
23-06-2010, 09:28 PM
The other good Timbo beat on that clip is Brandy - Come As You Are.

Which, now I think about it, sounds more like your description of it being like Indian Flute.

Yep, Come As You Are will be the one - amazing beat. Damn, that video got taken down - should've recorded the stream.

alo
23-06-2010, 09:51 PM
I'd just say -- you overwrite, and forget Reynolds and Tim Finney and all that and find your own style and obssessions. Writing about Japan and Timbaland will get you nowhere now.

In all honesty, I've started writing this now because I read in a self help book I picked up (at a service station no less, when I was jobless and at the end of despair ave) that to write things down is the best way to organise any thought processes. Even: What I am I going to do today? 10:00AM pick up milk etc etc... (Which i should fucking do TBH) Instead of scatologically talking to myself in the car/ on the bog. Most of the things re music are from listening to albums from a few years ago anyway; finding things like Extra Yard lurking in the garage with it's intro to 'Bouncement' in the inner sleeve. I'm not trying to out cutting edge the bloggerati/ write about things in trends/ be a journo. Fuck that, everybody knows creative aspirations don't pay these days. Unless your Timbo. Or Cascada.

alo
23-06-2010, 10:01 PM
On the video from youtube (that has been taken down now) where Tim & Jay Z are in the studio,

Its funny to see such big names in a studio having that kind of tense moment that every band/group has where somebody plays some new material, and nobody's quite sure how to play it. :)

craner
23-06-2010, 10:45 PM
Well, fair play, you've made a very good start then. Keep writing, you will get better by being bold, and not giving a shit what we, or anyone else, says. I say you overwrite, but that is better than being timid. You write well. But your subject is boring.

alex
24-06-2010, 07:42 AM
The other good Timbo beat on that clip is Brandy - Come As You Are.

Which, now I think about it, sounds more like your description of it being like Indian Flute.

Gonna try this one when I get home, thanks very much :-)

luka
24-06-2010, 07:53 AM
taylor parkes is a talentess hack. dont listen to that reccomendation. its universtiy magazine stuff.

Krasner
24-06-2010, 10:02 AM
Someone put the video back up on youtube here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKuJN5xVo1s).

craner
24-06-2010, 10:44 AM
I was being a bit of a cunt last night.

Kristian
24-06-2010, 11:31 AM
while we are on this topic, could somebody ID a tune for me?

On the video from youtube (that has been taken down now) where Tim & Jay Z are in the studio, what is the tune before the one before Dirt Off Your Shoulder, sort of sounds like the samples from Indian Flute.? Any ideas...?

(He should make more tunes like this tbh)

This video was sick. I love the way Jigga took the piss with 'You aint got no bounce n*gga" and Tim just effortlessly flicks through banger after banger!!

BareBones
24-06-2010, 04:34 PM
Hmm, Wikipedia says Danja rhymes with ganja not danger. Curious.


nah this is bollocks. on some of his tunes (danity kane 'pretty boy' (amazing tune) is the one i'm thinking of but i'm sure there's more) he has a little audio sig that goes "d-d-d-danja in the club!" and it's clearly pronounced as "danger".

Sick Boy
24-06-2010, 04:45 PM
The real advice to be given here is to never take the advice of a message board of failed writers.

michael
24-06-2010, 07:40 PM
nah this is bollocks. on some of his tunes (danity kane 'pretty boy' (amazing tune) is the one i'm thinking of but i'm sure there's more) he has a little audio sig that goes "d-d-d-danja in the club!" and it's clearly pronounced as "danger".

Heh, yeah, pretty sure it's all over the ending of Britney's 'Gimme More' too. Was thinking when I wrote that that it's probably someone not understanding "phonetic" spelling on Wikipedia, more than anything.

gumdrops
24-06-2010, 09:28 PM
The real advice to be given here is to never take the advice of a message board of failed writers.

haha.

dont write about timbo though.
unless you want to argue how hes in fact better now than he was. id read that. i wouldnt believe it. but id read it.

alex
25-06-2010, 12:59 AM
The other good Timbo beat on that clip is Brandy - Come As You Are.

i literally cannot thank you enough for ID'ing this tune for me, it's plagued me for years

Corpsey
25-06-2010, 03:48 PM
I like to imagine Timbo and Dre going to the same gym as Craig David, all doing squat thrusts together while their secretaries produce their latest albums.

I do get bored, though.

michael
19-03-2011, 09:37 AM
Man, the faces he pulls in this video. Second chorus from about 1.40...?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25LBTSUEU0A

mistersloane
12-01-2013, 11:06 PM
here yer go Elijah