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paolo
23-06-2010, 08:09 PM
So, anyone else into this? I don't know much about it apart from stuff that I've picked up from The Wire (not the TV programme) and Boomkat, but I do know that it's good music to have a nice smoke to on a summer evening

This seems to be a good introduction - http://boomkat.com/downloads/312549-various-14-tracks-14-tracks-hypnagogic-heat-haze

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BwtBUmwXrKA/SwLJoATAC2I/AAAAAAAAGkQ/9GNbIyQO_c8/s400/toroymoi.jpg

This is a quality album, only given it a couple of listens but it's like a self-contained wee world - http://boomkat.com/cds/258110-toro-y-moi-causers-of-this

Tips for further research would be appreciated :)

michael
23-06-2010, 10:06 PM
I really like most of that record, but the best tracks on it were all available for free (+ legal) download before it came out.

I don't read the Wire or shop at Boomkat, but American things like Pitchfork / Fader / XLR8R call the sound "chillwave". Other acts that I've heard lumped in there are Washed Out, Neon Indian, Best Coast, Memory Tapes (I think), Crystal... Sift through the MP3s on XLR8R.com or Pitchfork.com and you should come up with a whole lot of free stuff.

95% shit - as always a few cool ideas and general vibes can't make up for bad songs - so I'm pretty happy to stick with Toro Y Moi in general.

Actually, if Ruby Suns fits I do like their latest album.

Damien
23-06-2010, 11:21 PM
I really like Washed Out, picked this up recently
http://covers.phonica.s3.amazonaws.com/68c490edc9d152eaa6ffa60300d9d87d.jpg

Aww Nein
24-06-2010, 12:13 AM
i generally think of toro y moi and all the other stuff mentioned as more on the chillwave/glo-fi side of things (horrible names), and see hypnagogic pop as the more noisey stuff, especially James Ferraro and all that. kinda like laptop vs 4-track.

this is for me some of the best stuff

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i guess oneohtrix point never also, but hes been covered in other threads...

paolo
24-06-2010, 08:17 PM
Thanks for the tips. I've not been on Pitchfork for ages cos I'm an electronic music geek who doesn't have much time for indie bands and suchlike

http://bisaufsmesser.com/store/images/sun_araw_on_patrol_main.jpg

This is good, not so pop thoigh

michael
24-06-2010, 08:38 PM
Yeah, I like verrrry little rock stuff, but I subscribed to Pitchfork's free MP3 feed ("Forkcast", ho ho) about a year ago and even if I only like 1 in 10 things on there (and really love maybe 1 in 50) that's enough for me.

muser
24-06-2010, 09:14 PM
Nice, that comps sounding good (despite boomkats annoying bleeps that seem to be in direct contrast with the "hypnogogic" elements :mad: ). The genrification does seem like another one of those labels created by a music journo trying to create a scene out of something that really isn't.. more like lots of non-geograhically linked (apart from USA?) people that happen to have similar ideas/ ethos. Much like "wonky" except "hypnogogic pop" is probably one of the best genre names i've heard, wonky is definitely near the bottom.

Be interesting to see if the name itself and its premise would effect the music from people who (if it stuck) would actually say they make "hypnogogic pop", (bit like dubsteps possible effect on some earylier productions). I guess some of Paul Whites music could fit into this, except for maybe the sampling aspect.

soul_pill
25-06-2010, 12:45 PM
I wouldn't have associated this release with 'Chillwave' until FACTmag did,

http://www.factmag.com/2010/06/25/oriol-night-and-day/

but it does share some of the shimmery nostalgic feel.

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KifNKin
25-06-2010, 01:42 PM
Get ears round this if you haven't already...


http://vimeo.com/7616034

Don't know whether to fall asleep or explode. Apologies if this has been covered in OPN discussions elsewhere.

Matrix Metals' 'Flamingo Breeze' and Rangers' Suburban Tours are also great.

mms
25-06-2010, 01:43 PM
that sun araw album is very cool

Andrew Ryce
26-06-2010, 01:41 AM
I wouldn't have associated this release with 'Chillwave' until FACTmag did,

http://www.factmag.com/2010/06/25/oriol-night-and-day/

but it does share some of the shimmery nostalgic feel.

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My thought process around this album and chillwave is needlessly complicated, but I didn't mean to necessarily 'associate' Oriol with chillwave... His music is obviously separated from most of that stuff, and he's been making his music way longer than chillwave has ever existed (some of the album tracks are five years old?). It's just that, especially from a North American perspective, it's hard not to associate this slightly nostalgic, pseudo-tropical music with all that other stuff that is admittedly quite similar. It's more a matter of timing than anything else. I would be remiss not to mention the legions of chillwave/hypnagogic artists who mine similar sounds, and I think it would be even more ignorant to just pretend that it didn't exist or didn't sound at all similar. So while I don't think Oriol is at all directly connected with the chillwave/whatever movement, it's hard to deny aesthetic similarities, however coincidental.

p.s. hi dissensus

Aww Nein
26-06-2010, 11:07 AM
yeah, a lot of chillwave has this Daft Punk factor, lots of filtererd funk house samples, and a lot brighter production (oriol and Toro Y Moi included), and isnt so much "hypnagogic" in the sense that it doesnt really induce trance, more a sort of hyper-lucid slick funk, very 80's but less of the "memory of the 80s" that most hypnagoigic acts tend to go for, focussing on the the onfuscations and distortions of memory.

some chillwave almost reminds me in part of a lot of the "future garage" coming out, in that theyre both emulating/inspired by really coke-cold brittle funky music, but kinda warmed up in the remake, made lusher and more colourful, the producers re from a different place...

grizzleb
26-06-2010, 03:00 PM
It's good cause the indie kids don't realise they're just listening to italo.

juanroberto
26-06-2010, 03:08 PM
Lol at 'Chillwave'.

http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/2010/03/who-invented-chillwave.html

mms
26-06-2010, 05:59 PM
It's good cause the indie kids don't realise they're just listening to italo.

yes some of it is really sub par disco

juanroberto
29-06-2010, 04:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txUwrNdoqNw&feature=related

all about the dubbynesssssssss. i wanna be jamaican toooooo

Aww Nein
29-06-2010, 03:44 PM
i dont think its just Italo, more that some hypnagogic artists do a "take" on italo and put it through the hypnagogic blender so to speak, where as lots more do it with drivetime rock or coked up funk....

paolo
29-06-2010, 08:31 PM
I suppose that pretty much any dreamy type music could be classed as hypnagogic pop

Edit - That doesn't make any sense at all, don't know why I said it. Also going to hunt out some of Sun Araw's earlier stuff

mms
29-06-2010, 10:14 PM
Get ears round this if you haven't already...


http://vimeo.com/7616034

Don't know whether to fall asleep or explode. Apologies if this has been covered in OPN discussions elsewhere.

Matrix Metals' 'Flamingo Breeze' and Rangers' Suburban Tours are also great.

thats on the comp album - sends me to sleep in a good way.

KifNKin
30-06-2010, 12:52 AM
thats on the comp album - sends me to sleep in a good way.

Yeah, it's incredible. Has different names on the Russian Mind EP ('Time Decanted') and Rifts ('Actual Air'), confusingly.

Anyone here seen his Memory Vague DVD? I watched it once a while back, but now it seems to have disappeared from my house.

Either it's been stolen or it existed purely in my imagination

Aww Nein
30-06-2010, 01:57 AM
i guess the obvious (too much to mention) precursor would be dream pop... whats the difference between dreams and hypnagogic states? the later sounding more clinical, and with less emphasis on "fantasy" i guess...

would love to check out that Memory Vague DVD, the youtube clips i've seen are interesting, how much stuff is on the DVD?

Oneohtix's youtube channel is also pretty good

as is this video he directed (the song should really be in the as yet non-existant "Drag / witch house" thread...
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Amicose
30-06-2010, 08:43 AM
I am the sort or person that wouldn't know if a google search would turn out an uncompressed dvd-r rip of Memory Vague

mms
30-06-2010, 06:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txUwrNdoqNw&feature=related

all about the dubbynesssssssss. i wanna be jamaican toooooo

dear me thank god this twats fuckd off now

franz
07-07-2010, 08:55 AM
it doesn't really seem to belong in this thread, but i can't really think of a more appropriate place to ask about Salem. I've been listening to Fuckt again recently, and thinking that it is at least somewhat amazing, in spite of its being ridiculously raw. Something about the dutty, perverse pathos they have going on at times (whenusleep, wept et cetera) that is so shockingly immediate... it feels really necessary that they or someone else plumb that particular path farther.

i guess they've had an album in the works for a while or something?
anyone else doing similar stuff worth looking into?
i had someone mention a group called White Ring in relation to them before... looks like they dabble with screw techniques as well? any others (for that reason or others?)

maybe within the context of the thread, one could reconcile them on account of their having some kind of relation to dream-pop (and by extension Shoegaze) as well?

funny: listening to this Sun Araw album just now, it's sounding a little bit like i think i hoped bands like Sunburned Hand of Man and No Neck Blues Band (and so on) would sound more often, a good 5 years ago.

KifNKin
07-07-2010, 10:46 AM
it doesn't really seem to belong in this thread, but i can't really think of a more appropriate place to ask about Salem. I've been listening to Fuckt again recently, and thinking that it is at least somewhat amazing, in spite of its being ridiculously raw. Something about the dutty, perverse pathos they have going on at times (whenusleep, wept et cetera) that is so shockingly immediate... it feels really necessary that they or someone else plumb that particular path farther.

i guess they've had an album in the works for a while or something?
anyone else doing similar stuff worth looking into?
i had someone mention a group called White Ring in relation to them before... looks like they dabble with screw techniques as well? any others (for that reason or others?)

maybe within the context of the thread, one could reconcile them on account of their having some kind of relation to dream-pop (and by extension Shoegaze) as well?

funny: listening to this Sun Araw album just now, it's sounding a little bit like i think i hoped bands like Sunburned Hand of Man and No Neck Blues Band (and so on) would sound more often, a good 5 years ago.

Salem and the bands they've inspired (pretty much single-handedly, by the sounds of some of them) have been lumped in under the 'Witch House' tag now, I think.

That makes some kind of sense, given this ::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Witch_House ::: but I still think the term is clumsy, and prefer its other recently given name 'drag'.

Other bands of their ilk include White Ring, Balam Acab, oOoOO and within the next couple of months probably a thousand other MySpace hacks in their stead, some of which will be decent and exaggerate some of the sound's interesting subtleties into own idiosyncracies, others who will just suck really fucking hard because this is a hard sadness to pull off.

Anyway, cynicism aside the whole 'drag' scene seems already to centre around Tri Angle records, which was set up by Robin from 20jfg.

What I love about Salem is how visceral it is... they make some of the most physically affecting music I've ever heard. I like how they've incorporated dream-pop influences too, because it ties in with something Jack told me when I interviewed him last year (maybe 2008, actually?) ::: http://nopaininpop.com/2009/01/swinging-jaw-salem/

Easy to exist at that border between real and dream when you only have 5 hours of sleep every other night, I suppose. Album's on its way pretty soon through I Am Sound. There are/were various track-by-tracks floating around online... should have my copy tomorrow.

I get what you mean about Sun Araw too.

DigitalDjigit
07-07-2010, 02:23 PM
Haha, this thread is like a bad dream. People are discussing "Witch House" like it's a serious genre. I thought it was some bullshit some art bum kids in Baltimore came up with to describe their attempts at like...80's coldwave or something.

And "Tri Angle" records. Hahaha....that hipster obsession with triangles. That shit's everywhere.

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/hipster+triangle
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=100614876652182&ref=ts

mms
07-07-2010, 02:49 PM
Haha, this thread is like a bad dream. People are discussing "Witch House" like it's a serious genre. I thought it was some bullshit some art bum kids in Baltimore came up with to describe their attempts at like...80's coldwave or something.

And "Tri Angle" records. Hahaha....that hipster obsession with triangles. That shit's everywhere.

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/hipster+triangle
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=100614876652182&ref=ts

nah you're like a bad dream really, with yr big teacher voice and your hands on yr hipsters.
Its easy to attack new trends for being new trends really, big up for recognising that.

DigitalDjigit
07-07-2010, 03:08 PM
Oh, come on. Don't act like these guys aren't at least slightly ridiculous.

STN
07-07-2010, 03:11 PM
presumably not Salem the Israeli metal band? A different lot?

DigitalDjigit
07-07-2010, 03:16 PM
Salem's lot.

mms
07-07-2010, 03:17 PM
Oh, come on. Don't act like these guys aren't at least slightly ridiculous.

yeah but so is everything in music, everything has its own bad news or spinal tap, it's still an interesting new little scene, hipsters are the easiest people in the world to parody .

DigitalDjigit
07-07-2010, 03:21 PM
Especially when they are doing it to themselves.

The Toro Y Moi album is outstanding for what it's worth. "Lissoms" is so good. Opens up with some Detroit strings and goes into Zomby wonkiness and ends up reminding me of Todd Edwards with the way it uses samples and dissonance. All that in 2 minutes and 13 seconds.

Ory
07-07-2010, 03:34 PM
most of that stuff i've heard doesn't even have a remotely house-like beat. "drag" is def a better name..

stephenk
07-07-2010, 04:00 PM
i'm not feeling most of the imitators but i do think they stand as a testament to how original a statement salem's is. i also think their press has been horribly mismanaged (not counting the no pain in pop and butt interviews) and they've been forced to show their faces too often - and it's turned highly affecting music into a little bit of a joke about witches, triangles, and art students pretending to be burnouts, which is unfair.
it isn't 'cold' or hipster-austere, no matter how removed from rust belt burnout they actually are...most of it feels like a long teary hug, or that point of depression that circles around to nihilistic faux-thugginess, swagger from having hurt too much. the other 'witch house' acts seem slightly ridiculous because there isn't that same gut-wrenching emotion...most (that i'm aware of) haven't released statements like FuCKT yet, but all have very calculated myspaces. uhh where am i going with this.

Leo
07-07-2010, 04:16 PM
this is my fav salem track:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IT5osf-97E

routes
07-07-2010, 04:30 PM
sounds like the sort of drugs you need to be on music to enjoy.

KifNKin
07-07-2010, 08:46 PM
Haha, this thread is like a bad dream. People are discussing "Witch House" like it's a serious genre. I thought it was some bullshit some art bum kids in Baltimore came up with to describe their attempts at like...80's coldwave or something.

And "Tri Angle" records. Hahaha....that hipster obsession with triangles. That shit's everywhere.

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/hipster+triangle
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=100614876652182&ref=ts

No one's 'discussing' the phrase like it's a serious genre - just said it's a clumsy term I've heard people use when talking about Salem et al.

Pretty sure whichever French hack first thought up 'La Vague Froid' was teased for it too.

straight
12-07-2010, 01:46 PM
yeah seems there a bit too much of a LOL hipsters vibe going on here. Theres a clear line between the guys with the ideas and the shit bands looking for the next big post animal collective sound.

That aside, the new James ferraro record 'Feed me' is amazing. Like eating mushrooms grown in an old pizza box full of troma videos

nochexxx
14-07-2010, 05:37 PM
at the moment i favor ferraro's multitopia lp.

this article (http://www.visitation-rites.com/2009/09/what-if-any-are-the-politics-of-hynagogic-pop/#more-675) on hynogogic pop is pretty great imo.

nochexxx
15-07-2010, 10:11 AM
for those who missed it the first time round i found Keenan's infamous Wire article (http://92.240.234.40/public/hypnagogic_pop_-_wire306.pdf) .

paolo
28-08-2010, 06:03 PM
Can anyone recommend any decent radio shows/DJs/places to find out more about this sort of thing? most of my knowledge comes from Fact, Wire and Boomkat

By the way, I realise there's a Oneohtrix Point Never thread somewhere but 'Returnal' is a cracking album

connect_icut
29-08-2010, 01:56 AM
This might help:

http://planobsolete.blogspot.com/

A blog and a radio show. Not 100% hypnagogic but certainly relevant.

And yes, Retrunal rules. I've heard a lot of people hating on it but - to me - it's a confirmation of the scope of Daniel Lopatin's talent. He's no mere retro-synth copy-cat.

paolo
17-12-2010, 09:19 AM
Anyone heard the new Hype Williams album?

nochexxx
22-12-2010, 05:06 PM
Anyone heard the new Hype Williams album?

yes, and it's great, much better than the first. i reckon the next album will be even better though.

other Hypnagogic recommendations would be Ferraro's Night Dolls With Hairspray, really great.

Aww Nein
03-01-2011, 01:00 AM
might be into this, free album download also Here... (http://yearningkru.tumblr.com/diyadh)

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stephenk
06-03-2011, 08:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUBTrIPwqnc&feature=related

so addicted to this.

Aww Nein
14-04-2011, 08:52 PM
Leaving Records have been killin it for a while

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