PDA

View Full Version : Enough of sea sick synths



juanroberto
25-06-2010, 09:28 PM
what's the point in these tracks? surely there's little different between rusko constructing his tracks around a stupid bassdrop and some fact/joe muggs approved producer making something that sounds like you've still got water in your ears from when you had a shower earlier that day

here are two particularly bad examples


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGmEdv26_Sw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6zZ_E459qQ

wobbly synths are to hipsters as wobbly bass is to overly aggresive beer drinking louts

juanroberto
25-06-2010, 09:29 PM
sorry i meant to finish my post with

DISCUSS

HMGovt
25-06-2010, 09:35 PM
Do you get angry about individual atoms too?

juanroberto
25-06-2010, 09:37 PM
Do you get angry about individual atoms too?

no, compounds however....

HMGovt
25-06-2010, 09:50 PM
Wobbly synths brought my sister out of her cum-induced coma, so your post PISSED me OFF.

juanroberto
25-06-2010, 10:15 PM
Wobbly synths brought my sister out of her cum-induced coma, so your post PISSED me OFF.

i thought Dissensus was the place to go to for intelligent debate about music, i guess i'm wrong

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

luka
26-06-2010, 02:17 AM
those two tunes are shit. thats my contribution.

mms
26-06-2010, 05:42 AM
they're really different tracks - the first one is just a scale - its rather sweet.

Ory
26-06-2010, 05:48 AM
love jelly roll. it's just genuinely silly and there's no other track quite like it.

what i'm really getting sick of is this insistence to put purple synths in everything.

Benny B
26-06-2010, 07:29 AM
Terror Danjah is the king of seasick synths.

gumdrops
26-06-2010, 08:31 AM
i really like jelly roll. dont know if id consider that 'seasick synths'.
im more sick of the shit eurocrunktrancepop synths in most chart music.

routes
26-06-2010, 09:31 AM
never heard either tune before, both sound pretty great to me. wish i could've heard these last night instead of the most boring revivalist 90s house bullshit.

juanroberto
26-06-2010, 02:05 PM
i really like jelly roll. dont know if id consider that 'seasick synths'.
im more sick of the shit eurocrunktrancepop synths in most chart music.

i had difficulty coming up with an all encompassing term. i've seen seasick synths bandied about a lot so i thought i'd throw it in...

nomos
26-06-2010, 03:07 PM
eurocrunktrancepop synths
exactly the term i was looking for! kinda like some of them though :)

tom lea
26-06-2010, 03:33 PM
people copying the purple thing is/was way more boring.

isnt seasick synths just something dan hancox said about bok bok's youth blood remix and i stole for a review of citizens dub? ive never seen it even used anywhere else.

and do that many ppl really do it? theres a couple of bok bok tracks, deadboy does something similar w/ his synths sometimes but in a different way, it's really not prevelant. much more interesting things for you to moan about on the internet on a saturday.

juanroberto
26-06-2010, 09:15 PM
people copying the purple thing is/was way more boring.

isnt seasick synths just something dan hancox said about bok bok's youth blood remix and i stole for a review of citizens dub? ive never seen it even used anywhere else.

and do that many ppl really do it? theres a couple of bok bok tracks, deadboy does something similar w/ his synths sometimes but in a different way, it's really not prevelant. much more interesting things for you to moan about on the internet on a saturday.

what's up with Fact's misty eyed, just in case you can't keep up with 10 news articles, 3 reviews, 2 podcasts and maybe a this month in bass/techno feature (which doesn't in any way sum up the month just focus on the one producer you've enjoyed) Fact: the week that was feature?

http://www.factmag.com/2010/06/25/fact-the-week-that-was-11/

http://www.factmag.com/2010/06/18/fact-the-week-that-was-10/

http://www.factmag.com/2010/05/28/fact-the-week-that-was-7/

:):D:p:D:):cool:

tom lea
26-06-2010, 10:52 PM
dont write em so i wouldnt know, but they're hardly misty eyed. fucking weirdo.

matt b
26-06-2010, 11:17 PM
what's up with (snip...)

Juan, as you are a new member (welcome, btw) I don't wish to put a downer on your internet fun, but may I suggest you calm down a little?

For one thing, as a spokesman for all Latinos, you don't want to provide ammunition for those idiots who think that all those who identify with said label are complete pricks.

Secondly, I wouldn't use more than one (two at a push) emoticons in one post. Makes you look like an ADHD 5 year old

juanroberto
27-06-2010, 04:14 PM
dont write em so i wouldnt know, but they're hardly misty eyed. fucking weirdo.

you're just angry cos the mighty boosh didn't develop your character properly and you had to pursue a career as a music journalist instead


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZB7OFRUrA0

juanroberto
27-06-2010, 04:20 PM
Juan, as you are a new member (welcome, btw) I don't wish to put a downer on your internet fun, but may I suggest you calm down a little?

For one thing, as a spokesman for all Latinos, you don't want to provide ammunition for those idiots who think that all those who identify with said label are complete pricks.

Secondly, I wouldn't use more than one (two at a push) emoticons in one post. Makes you look like an ADHD 5 year old

what idiots are racist to latinos? at least i'm not female that would be all sorts of trouble on a board like dissensus

oh and i LLLIIIKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEE emoticons cos they display the way i feel

for instance at the moment i feel upset as i'm once again encoutering racism like i have done all my life

:(:(:(:(:(

if i was black you would think i was cool. the latinos always get wrriten out of music history

mms
27-06-2010, 08:40 PM
what idiots are racist to latinos? at least i'm not female that would be all sorts of trouble on a board like dissensus

oh and i LLLIIIKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEE emoticons cos they display the way i feel

for instance at the moment i feel upset as i'm once again encoutering racism like i have done all my life

:(:(:(:(:(

if i was black you would think i was cool. the latinos always get wrriten out of music history


you're missing the point fella.

benw
27-06-2010, 08:40 PM
clearly trollin' here.

gumdrops
27-06-2010, 08:41 PM
if i was black you would think i was cool.


you would prob get the reverential treatment poison dart got.

stephenk
27-06-2010, 10:16 PM
clearly trollin' here.

yeah this dude is the trollest of the trolls

Tentative Andy
27-06-2010, 10:30 PM
I really like Jelly Roll.
Not so keen on Citizens' Dub, though it grabs your attention on the first couple of listens.

Can't be bothered discussing this in any more depth, 'cause like everyone is saying the whole thread is a troll-trap...

Richard Carnage
27-06-2010, 10:58 PM
I really like Jelly Roll.
Not so keen on Citizens' Dub, though it grabs your attention on the first couple of listens.

Can't be bothered discussing this in any more depth, 'cause like everyone is saying the whole thread is a troll-trap...

Don't really like either of them, personally. Think Juan had a point to be fair (well, I kind of agree with him, so shoot me), but the only reason he's going on a troll mission is due to being poked by HMGovt in a rather flippant manner at the start of the thread.

Tentative Andy
27-06-2010, 11:06 PM
Don't really like either of them, personally. Think Juan had a point to be fair (well, I kind of agree with him, so shoot me), but the only reason he's going on a troll mission is due to being poked by HMGovt in a rather flippant manner at the start of the thread.

Yeah, or at least half a point I reckon. I would def never try and claim sea-sick synth sounds, or the purple style or other related synth sounds, are by themselves more intelligent or more subtle or whatever than LFO wobbles in the dubstep style. I just tend to prefer them personally 'cause they have that bit more colour to them, and perhaps lend themselves to melodies better. But there have def been some pretty meh uses of them, I agree.
HMG's response was a bit weird, but I reckon Juan is having a bit of a laugh right through this thread. Which is fair enough.

slackk
28-06-2010, 07:53 AM
quite certain i know that troll

hmm

soul_pill
28-06-2010, 09:34 AM
I've always felt a bit "sea-sick" listening to these 2:

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/mvpgiiotL0U&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/mvpgiiotL0U&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/iuPk-ZqXJ7M&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/iuPk-ZqXJ7M&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

gumdrops
28-06-2010, 10:23 AM
the sea sick thing started with kode 9's black sun right? cos thats what i think of when i hear brackles i love london, deadboy etc. i dont mind it, but it *can* sound a bit like someone just fucking around with the pitch/modulation etc. or maybe id like it more if the fucking around quality was more pronounced rather than used in service of trying to present something all emotional etc. i think it might work better with more playful stuff like jellyroll rather than something thats going for emo-authenticity like deadboy or that brackles tune.

Blackdown
28-06-2010, 10:29 AM
sea sick synths = wonky. sorry, i know no one likes that term but this exactly what i originally used it for: off-kilter, unstable synths.

scratcha's a badman but i much prefer citizens dub. more like this please, using non-seasick/wonky synths is what makes much of the dullest of dub techno, liquid d&b, chill out etc so safe and dull.

mms
28-06-2010, 12:11 PM
who used the term sea sick synths first ?
- was it blackdown or tom lea -?

i think this can only be sorted out with a duel to the death.

Blackdown
28-06-2010, 12:37 PM
who used the term sea sick synths first ?
- was it blackdown or tom lea -?

i think this can only be sorted out with a duel to the death.

i'm up for medieval dueling but am also happy to say it wasnt me.

tom lea
28-06-2010, 12:37 PM
i dont fancy it if blackdown has trim backing him, but then again i could maybe get t. williams to give jon e cash a call.

as i say tho, i nicked it off dan hancox so it's a three-way if anything.

alex
28-06-2010, 12:59 PM
Yea, not a fan of the playful ones, prefer the 'serious' ones. 2 Far Gone springs to mind. The playful ones are a bit too playful (not tasteful, why tasteful?, my brain is mush) for my taste. Cool basslines though.

grizzleb
28-06-2010, 01:43 PM
sea sick synths = wonky. sorry, i know no one likes that term but this exactly what i originally used it for: off-kilter, unstable synths.

scratcha's a badman but i much prefer citizens dub. more like this please, using non-seasick/wonky synths is what makes much of the dullest of dub techno, liquid d&b, chill out etc so safe and dull.

Yeah exactly mate all tracks made these days should just stick a very current sound on them to make them fresh and cool.

Slothrop
28-06-2010, 01:57 PM
Yeah exactly mate all tracks made these days should just stick a very current sound on them to make them fresh and cool.
Unless they want to use dblueglitch on a couple of the parts to make them experimental.

mms
28-06-2010, 01:59 PM
<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Bcy8bvhewtU&hl=en_GB&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Bcy8bvhewtU&hl=en_GB&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

gumdrops
28-06-2010, 02:29 PM
Yeah exactly mate all tracks made these days should just stick a very current sound on them to make them fresh and cool.

if it doesnt have me reaching for some travel tablets, then its not worth the effort.

Blackdown
28-06-2010, 03:01 PM
Yeah exactly mate all tracks made these days should just stick a very current sound on them to make them fresh and cool.

yeah exactly "mate" either that or just use bait sounds to make them sound entirely derivative of the collective sonic output of the two proceeding decades' prominent genres.

juanroberto
28-06-2010, 03:57 PM
yeah exactly "mate" either that or just use bait sounds to make them sound entirely derivative of the collective sonic output of the two proceeding decades' prominent genres.

that or they're making a juke track

MORE EMOTICONS COS I KNW Y'ALL LOVE THEM SO

:):):):):):):):):):):):):):)

juanroberto
28-06-2010, 03:59 PM
i dont fancy it if blackdown has trim backing him, but then again i could maybe get t. williams to give jon e cash a call.

as i say tho, i nicked it off dan hancox so it's a three-way if anything.

http://www.boomkat.com/artist.cfm?a=1059

SEASICK ACID from 2007. Dan Hancox should stick to writing about chicken shops

grizzleb
28-06-2010, 04:02 PM
yeah exactly "mate" either that or just use bait sounds to make them sound entirely derivative of the collective sonic output of the two proceeding decades' prominent genres.But 'seasick' synths will just quickly (and have I think) become another token, another preset that allows people who maybe haven't got that many ideas to think they're doing something interesting. Most music put out is bereft of ideas because people hear a new thing, jump on the bandwagon and then rape that until it becomes a boring cliche.

alex
28-06-2010, 04:06 PM
Dan Hancox should stick to writing about chicken shops

sorry but that made me LOL..dan I never knew you were such a chicken shop connoisseur

juanroberto
28-06-2010, 04:07 PM
http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/review/1462

Julian Cope back in 2006!!!!!

:mad:;)

juanroberto
28-06-2010, 04:09 PM
shit's catching on though

http://www.messandnoise.com/releases/2000655

I guess Tom Hancox or whatever can fight out who made the term famous. Like Simon Reynolds "inventing" the term post-rock

:D

juanroberto
28-06-2010, 04:39 PM
my cousin Pablo who goes to Goldsmiths and gave me the dodgy tip off about James Blake signing to hyperdub just came up with some quality goodness

http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1068

about joker half wya down

http://www.aquariusrecords.org/bin/search.cgi/label=holy%20mountain

about blue control S/T

seasick synth symphonics, as my baseball loving family would say 'knocking it out of the park'

juanroberto
28-06-2010, 06:15 PM
sorry but that made me LOL..dan I never knew you were such a chicken shop connoisseur

http://juniorspesh.blogspot.com/

pretending to like fried chicken is very high on the list of things middle class white boys do to appear more 'street'

not that that's a bad thing, the more chicken shops the better

juanroberto
28-06-2010, 06:16 PM
http://www.creativereview.co.uk/cr-blog/2009/march/meet-mr-chicken

bateman
28-06-2010, 06:33 PM
oh for fuck's sake juan, grow up. the faux-cynical schtick is getting a little tiresome.

grizzleb
28-06-2010, 06:36 PM
Haha, I think jaun is just on the wind up. A few po-faced peeps around here.

Sick Boy
28-06-2010, 06:40 PM
It is a well-known fact that there is not a single human being, rich or poor, that does not like fried chicken. You're more likely lying if you say you don't like it.

Sick Boy
28-06-2010, 06:47 PM
Speaking of which: who did the original blog or article or whatever it was that was sort of a guide to the London fried chicken shop? Prancehall?

mms
28-06-2010, 06:55 PM
Speaking of which: who did the original blog or article or whatever it was that was sort of a guide to the London fried chicken shop? Prancehall?

it was that middle class white boy Elijah


i worked at kfc for 2 years when i was a teen
it was madness, so many of the staff were loons, the free bits at the end of the night were a blessing though.

FairiesWearBoots
28-06-2010, 07:04 PM
It is a well-known fact that there is not a single human being, rich or poor, that does not like fried chicken. You're more likely lying if you say you don't like it.

Yup, McDonalds & BK are routinely avoided but I have a weakness for KFC or any other chicken
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM7tKFqe7Sk&feature=player_embedded

sorry if abp, but it is hilarious

juanroberto
28-06-2010, 07:18 PM
Haha, I think jaun is just on the wind up. A few po-faced peeps around here.

when i get called a fucking weirdo you NOSE i'm going out of my way to show them up

glad you see i'm jojoing just a little bit. a lot of love for the whiteman coming from elephant and castle (i cheered for england and everything)

michael
28-06-2010, 08:55 PM
Man, synths with wonky pitch have been around for years and years. Is it really such a big trend at the mo?

grizzleb
28-06-2010, 08:58 PM
Man, synths with wonky pitch have been around for years and years. Is it really such a big trend at the mo?
Yeah I love the idea that this is in any way new. Just another trend, although I suppose one that is the difference between a shit track and one brimming with rich artistic vision....

Slothrop
28-06-2010, 09:28 PM
yeah exactly "mate" either that or just use bait sounds to make them sound entirely derivative of the collective sonic output of the two proceeding decades' prominent genres.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri6Efk1SPJc

mos dan
28-06-2010, 09:56 PM
quite certain i know that troll

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL. yeah i was wondering but i'm not sure i care enough to work it out


I've always felt a bit "sea-sick" listening to these 2:

definitely the two ikonika tracks - though 'fish' is the one for me.


the sea sick thing started with kode 9's black sun right?

yeah agreed.. black sun started so much... i sometimes wonder if it might come to be viewed as a 'pulse x' type moment.


Dan Hancox should stick to writing about chicken shops

getting this on my business cards :)


Speaking of which: who did the original blog or article or whatever it was that was sort of a guide to the London fried chicken shop? Prancehall?

which one? i suggested the blog as a joke and elijah called my bluff and registered the name

mos dan
28-06-2010, 10:01 PM
i dont fancy it if blackdown has trim backing him, but then again i could maybe get t. williams to give jon e cash a call.

as i say tho, i nicked it off dan hancox so it's a three-way if anything.

i've got neutrino on my team, who - be warned - might stab himself in the leg "cos i'm fucking crazy like that"

juanroberto
28-06-2010, 10:02 PM
what´s all this talk about me being a troll

explain PLEASE

juanroberto
28-06-2010, 10:06 PM
i've got neutrino on my team, who - be warned - might stab himself in the leg "cos i'm fucking crazy like that"

lol at everyone arguing about who knows the hardest blackman in a joking way

:p:p:p:p

djbraiden
28-06-2010, 10:14 PM
using non-seasick/wonky synths is what makes much of the dullest of dub techno, liquid d&b, chill out etc so safe and dull.

NOPE

http://www.ukgameshows.com/atoz/programmes/f/family_fortunes/bygraves_duhduhh.jpg

Elijah
28-06-2010, 10:26 PM
it was that middle class white boy Elijah


i worked at kfc for 2 years when i was a teen
it was madness, so many of the staff were loons, the free bits at the end of the night were a blessing though.

I used Grime to work my way into high society

tom lea
28-06-2010, 10:35 PM
Man, synths with wonky pitch have been around for years and years. Is it really such a big trend at the mo?
yeah thats what i meant by my first post.

there are a few people around doing tracks where the synths rock from side to side, like on citizens dub, but only a few really, not enough to make it some big trend.

thats kind of how i interpret the sea-sick thing anyway. black sun isnt like that for me, it's just a track where the synths are a bit off-kilter, like say samiyam's stuff. millions of tracks like that. black sun was influencial but more because it was a dubstep guy doing stuff at 130bpm.

bandshell
28-06-2010, 10:37 PM
I think this thread has had juan too many.

Elijah
28-06-2010, 10:53 PM
what´s all this talk about me being a troll

explain PLEASE

http://i50.tinypic.com/122ja1i.jpg

tom lea
28-06-2010, 10:54 PM
its 2 far juan.

bandshell
28-06-2010, 10:57 PM
I juander how long this will go on for.

bob effect
28-06-2010, 11:14 PM
<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/3V8lW6jMpUo&hl=en_GB&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/3V8lW6jMpUo&hl=en_GB&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/bfQEwbIESKM&hl=en_GB&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/bfQEwbIESKM&hl=en_GB&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

Elijah
28-06-2010, 11:21 PM
I juander how long this will go on for.

you juant to rinse this out quick init bandshell

bandshell
28-06-2010, 11:26 PM
you juant to rinse this out quick init bandshell

Werd. It's 35 minutes to juan and I have a headache.

mos dan
28-06-2010, 11:29 PM
its 2 far juan.

can i just point out to anyone who hasn't noticed that tom, er, 'wins' this thread hands down, because he managed to use a song title which is the flip of 'black sun', and is therefore punning on another level altogether :cool:

@juanroberto fair, lol

bandshell
28-06-2010, 11:40 PM
if u juant me

IdleRich
28-06-2010, 11:54 PM
"It is a well-known fact that there is not a single human being, rich or poor, that does not like fried chicken. You're more likely lying if you say you don't like it."
Never ate it until recently but, yeah, turns out it's really nice. And cheap. Been missing out on it for a whole life time which I guess is good 'cause I got a lot of catching up to do.

bb_rebozo
29-06-2010, 12:14 AM
to be honest, not sure silver apples were using synths, but they rule in seasick business anyway.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzBlQAqILK0

PhilBrown
29-06-2010, 12:56 AM
"using non-seasick/wonky synths is what makes much of the dullest of dub techno, liquid d&b, chill out etc so safe and dull."

this right here is one of the most absurd statements i've ever read...

so , if for example we were to look at a totally stock, derivative dub techno tune ..... the reason for it being "safe and dull" is down to it not employing production techniques that you personally feel are where its at right now... .... and nothing to do with the fact that said stock dub techno tune is merely a poorly executed rip off... ? or the fact that the very notion of an entire genre dedicated to ripping on basic channel is pathetic? or that rhythmically, the average BC rip off is totally feeble..... ??? errr oh wait if we just crowbar in a zomby esque synth spazz sound over the top it would suddenly be totally edgy and not dull?? forget the fact that such synthwork would sound horribly jarring over the genres you mentioned.:slanted::slanted::slanted::slanted::sla nted:

...i'd argue that using sounds that are being hammered by everyone and their dog just dates a piece of music massivley....

what is a "non wonky synth" anyway?? after i route the LFO to pitch.. should i make a point of making sure said modulation is up past 50% ??? is tha wonky enough? i am so baffled.... unstable/pitch bent/heavily modulated/neon/weeping synth work has been and still is present in so much music beyond your little dubstep/grime/rinse fm /fwd bubble.... and not nesc in a good way either;ironically enough i can think of shitloads of dull as dishwater tech house tunes that employ claude von stroke style pitch bent bleepy bloopy leads, out of time percussion and detuned synth washes,,...

what about loveless by my bloody valentine... lots of discordant yet lush sounds swirling around on that LP... is it wonky??

i hate this term so much. at least "sea sick synth" is a more specific term... referring to pitch modulation//.... and not some sort of made up nonsense genre.... uuuughhh...

nomos
29-06-2010, 01:09 AM
http://i49.tinypic.com/34q8wms.jpg

staypuft
29-06-2010, 01:17 AM
to be honest, not sure silver apples were using synths, but they rule in seasick business anyway.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzBlQAqILK0

that's a clarinet and a saxophone. defo have a seasick feel tho! this is a scary thread, you won't see me back here again..

Dr Awesome
29-06-2010, 01:19 AM
There needs to a Python-esq Ministry of Silly Wonks to regulate this madness.

juanroberto
29-06-2010, 03:12 AM
can i just point out to anyone who hasn't noticed that tom, er, 'wins' this thread hands down, because he managed to use a song title which is the flip of 'black sun', and is therefore punning on another level altogether :cool:

@juanroberto fair, lol

if i said there were ¨tom¨many people on this board right now would you be loving me 222222222222222222222222222

:D:o:slanted::confused::(:):mad::mad::p;):eek::coo l::rolleyes:

juanroberto
29-06-2010, 03:16 AM
i still don´t know what the whole troll thing means. if i was irish i would think it was racist but my latino self knows it´suomething DEEEEEPPPPP

Danhacox where you at_ explain yo´self motha´

wise
29-06-2010, 04:04 AM
i still don´t know what the whole troll thing means.

Do you not have access to Google?
Troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29)

juanroberto
29-06-2010, 04:07 AM
Do you not have access to Google?
Troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29)

bollocks to that i think you'll find my posts are mostly on topic and only off topic when i've been insulted previously.......

juanroberto
29-06-2010, 04:07 AM
especially when it's racist as noted earlier....

Dr Awesome
29-06-2010, 04:08 AM
Do you not have access to Google?
Troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29)

Yeah nah, he just got you.

Richard Carnage
29-06-2010, 06:03 AM
Judith Donath quote from Wiki: "...in a group that has become sensitized to trolling — where the rate of deception is high — many honestly naïve questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations. Even if the accusation is unfounded, being branded a troll is quite damaging to one's online reputation."

Let bygones be bygones, eh lads?

Blackdown
29-06-2010, 09:41 AM
"using non-seasick/wonky synths is what makes much of the dullest of dub techno, liquid d&b, chill out etc so safe and dull."

this right here is one of the most absurd statements i've ever read...

so , if for example we were to look at a totally stock, derivative dub techno tune ..... the reason for it being "safe and dull" is down to it not employing production techniques that you personally feel are where its at right now... .... and nothing to do with the fact that said stock dub techno tune is merely a poorly executed rip off... ? or the fact that the very notion of an entire genre dedicated to ripping on basic channel is pathetic? or that rhythmically, the average BC rip off is totally feeble..... ??? errr oh wait if we just crowbar in a zomby esque synth spazz sound over the top it would suddenly be totally edgy and not dull?? forget the fact that such synthwork would sound horribly jarring over the genres you mentioned.:slanted::slanted::slanted::slanted::sla nted:

...i'd argue that using sounds that are being hammered by everyone and their dog just dates a piece of music massivley....

what is a "non wonky synth" anyway?? after i route the LFO to pitch.. should i make a point of making sure said modulation is up past 50% ??? is tha wonky enough? i am so baffled.... unstable/pitch bent/heavily modulated/neon/weeping synth work has been and still is present in so much music beyond your little dubstep/grime/rinse fm /fwd bubble.... and not nesc in a good way either;ironically enough i can think of shitloads of dull as dishwater tech house tunes that employ claude von stroke style pitch bent bleepy bloopy leads, out of time percussion and detuned synth washes,,...

what about loveless by my bloody valentine... lots of discordant yet lush sounds swirling around on that LP... is it wonky??

i hate this term so much. at least "sea sick synth" is a more specific term... referring to pitch modulation//.... and not some sort of made up nonsense genre.... uuuughhh...

what a dickhead answer, this is my bubble and i'm fucking happy in it but you're chatting air. i didn't claim to present an exhaustive critique of why dull dub techno is often dull, i merely suggested one reason. thankfully you were on hand to supply a bunch of other reasons, which only helped to reinforce my point as to why derivative areas of genres are indeed derivative.

because if someone did try and 'crowbar' an interesting synth into a derivative dub techno tune, at least it would be more than the sum of its parts or perhaps sole part ie BC. at least there might be an outside chance of finding something more interesting than poor parody.

when you ask 'what is a "non wonky synth" anyway' it makes me think you dont get it, that you dont see that producers moving their sounds between the standard integers and trying to find different tones and harmonies/dis-harmonies that are enjoyable can only be a productive thing - even in claude von stroke records - rather than just following what the technology dictates and keeping everything in (western, standard) keys and intervals. it opens up a whole world of possibilities rather than narrowing it down to a familiar few.

you have some bee in your bonnet about fashion but this is the nature of scenes, they collectively grow and move in relation to each other, so some overlap with happen but equally where producers define themselves against local norms rather than with, the opposite can occurs. either way scenes, through sharing current ideas, do often have a time... and that isn't a bad thing.

"not some sort of made up nonsense genre". go read the facts (http://pitchfork.com/features/grime-dubstep/6840-grime-dubstep/) before you chat any more shit using the word "genre." hint: the clue's in the first sentence.

gumdrops
29-06-2010, 01:11 PM
kfc is more influential on modern uk music than seasick synths though.
and also the music is largely more likely to be better as a result of kfc rather than seasick synths.
i mean, all the seasick dubstep/house/techno is cool and everything, but grime synths overall were better, had better melodies, and were just a lot more exciting. and seeing as grime was more about kfc and its derivatives than seasick synths, kfc is ultimately more beneficial to uk dance music. i bet if you interviewed producers and djs about which was better, most would say kfc.

juanroberto
29-06-2010, 03:28 PM
kfc is more influential on modern uk music than seasick synths though.
and also the music is largely more likely to be better as a result of kfc rather than seasick synths.
i mean, all the seasick dubstep/house/techno is cool and everything, but grime synths overall were better, had better melodies, and were just a lot more exciting. and seeing as grime was more about kfc and its derivatives than seasick synths, kfc is ultimately more beneficial to uk dance music. i bet if you interviewed producers and djs about which was better, most would say kfc.

let's all go to kfc in brixton and make up

Woebot
29-06-2010, 03:49 PM
quite certain i know that troll

hmm

it's whassit name isnt it? the new zealand guy, dubmugga. he's gone his alias tighter this time tho. all these UK references have thrown people off his scent.

(sighs)

juanroberto
29-06-2010, 03:54 PM
it's whassit name isnt it? the new zealand guy, dubmugga. he's gone his alias tighter this time tho. all these UK references have thrown people off his scent.

(sighs)

????? people thinking i'm not a real person is perhaps the biggest insult i've ever had.

franz
29-06-2010, 04:08 PM
that's a clarinet and a saxophone. defo have a seasick feel tho! this is a scary thread, you won't see me back here again..

nah that's a synth for sure. Silver Apples are Dons.

juanroberto
29-06-2010, 04:11 PM
nah that's a synth for sure. Silver Apples are Dons.

in the sleeve notes for the album there's a picture of all the synths they used and how they were setup

juanroberto
29-06-2010, 04:12 PM
cd bought at sister ray on poland street. i'm not from new zealand, my parents are ecuadorian but i've lived in E+C all my life

rwtt
29-06-2010, 04:14 PM
what a juanker

juanroberto
29-06-2010, 04:27 PM
what a juanker

why exctly? alls i'm doing is talking about the liner notes of a seminal 60s record....

massrock
29-06-2010, 05:02 PM
Silver Apples' oscillators through telegraph switches is more rip-roaringly primitive than anything as bourgeois as a synthesiser.

massrock
29-06-2010, 05:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfuJPT-roM0

Woebot
29-06-2010, 05:23 PM
cd bought at sister ray on poland street. i'm not from new zealand, my parents are ecuadorian but i've lived in E+C all my life

ok fair enough.

i must say you've walked into quite a storm! going to sound a bit of a fuddy-duddy but i'm a bit surprised everyone is being quite as rude as this to each-other. it's a bit embarrassing really.

nomos
29-06-2010, 07:02 PM
i'm a bit surprised everyone is being quite as rude as this to each-other. it's a bit embarrassing really.
is the UK having a heatwave or something? post-WC angst?

anyway, i looked at some IPs last night after the troll claims were raised and no one here appears to be from new zealand (not that there's anything wrong with that in itself).

so carry on. push this to 20-30 pages and maybe we can enter it in next year's DSF awards.

juanroberto
29-06-2010, 07:22 PM
Silver Apples' oscillators through telegraph switches is more rip-roaringly primitive than anything as bourgeois as a synthesiser.

thanks for telling me in a calm collected manner. i'm only here to learn

Blackdown
29-06-2010, 07:23 PM
it's whassit name isnt it? the new zealand guy, dubmugga. he's gone his alias tighter this time tho. all these UK references have thrown people off his scent.

(sighs)

nah, it can't be dubmugg because he hasnt mentioned breakstep, hotflush, me or kode9 yet. plus, and i'm not joking, its not his style of punctuation.

juanroberto
29-06-2010, 07:36 PM
cd bought at sister ray on poland street. i'm not from new zealand, my parents are ecuadorian but i've lived in E+C all my life

sister ray on BERWICK STREET

Phonica's on Poland

:eek:

juanroberto
29-06-2010, 07:37 PM
nah, it can't be dubmugg because he hasnt mentioned breakstep, hotflush, me or kode9 yet. plus, and i'm not joking, its not his style of punctuation.

lollers what's breakstep?

as for the others

hotflush - love
you (Blackdown) - appreciate your work
kode9 - love maybe a little too much

juanroberto
29-06-2010, 07:53 PM
anyway, enough is enough.

Adios

JR

Webstarr
29-06-2010, 08:57 PM
never thought i'd ever see that brownie teamtalk on dissensus, less of that please

PhilBrown
29-06-2010, 09:15 PM
i'm replacing fabio, so look forward to me sitting that jug eared mug and his teamates in the centre circle.

continuum
29-06-2010, 09:32 PM
close the forum

nomos
29-06-2010, 09:34 PM
locked