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jch1990
14-07-2010, 03:34 PM
It's really really cool! David Wilson directed it (http://www.dontpaniconline.com/magazine/film/a-video-of-biblical-proportions). Best portrayal of Adam and Eve EVER.

rubberdingyrapids
14-07-2010, 03:37 PM
its not THAT good.

Sick Boy
14-07-2010, 03:54 PM
I have a bad feeling about you.

rubberdingyrapids
14-07-2010, 03:59 PM
i sense

http://www.johnmariani.com/archive/2007/071028/spam-big.jpg

benjybars
14-07-2010, 04:08 PM
just to make this thread more interesting.. gumdrops, why the change of name?

cushtilla
14-07-2010, 04:15 PM
Is it acceptable to make nu-school breaks in 2010 and call it dubstep? Apparently it is...

PeteUM
14-07-2010, 04:38 PM
Skream's career depresses the fuck out of me. At least Wiley is pissing his talent away in an occasionally entertaining way.

Sick Boy
14-07-2010, 04:45 PM
Best portrayal of Adam and Eve EVER.

Also, call me a purist if you want, but if we're talking ALL-TIME, I'd rank the Book of Genesis slightly higher.

rubberdingyrapids
14-07-2010, 04:47 PM
just to make this thread more interesting.. gumdrops, why the change of name?

i just liked the line about rubber dingy rapids in four lions. frequently pops into my head and causes me to mouthe 'rubber dingy rapids broooooo' to myself.

continuum
14-07-2010, 04:51 PM
switched it off when the breakbeat came in

mms
14-07-2010, 04:55 PM
yeah its weak and the magneticman single sounds exactly like its been scientifically designed to please the gatekeepers at radio one and their silly sonic fetishes, which is a fairly gutless and cynical thing to do on the whole if thats what the plan is.

rubberdingyrapids
14-07-2010, 04:58 PM
hatcha playing old skream dubs on his recent show made the magnetic man single seem even more weak.

samdiamond
14-07-2010, 06:52 PM
RE: the video, I always assumed it was gonna be a young skream listening to the records on his wall, learning to produce then DJ and just generally growing up. like a bildungsroman kinda thing. apparently the story of genesis was more fitting.

PeteUM
14-07-2010, 07:23 PM
Have you seen this? I thought it was a joke etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MxnwxZOAng

Some cool shizzle!

joe.dfx
14-07-2010, 07:37 PM
RE: the video, I always assumed it was gonna be a young skream listening to the records on his wall, learning to produce then DJ and just generally growing up. like a bildungsroman kinda thing. apparently the story of genesis was more fitting.

thought the same thing too :(

think it's a reference to Hijak's jungle collection though, not his...

Sectionfive
14-07-2010, 09:15 PM
Not a reference to this no ?

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l213/handsblix/Skream_blog.jpg


Big up Skream regardless, he's put in the work.

Leo
14-07-2010, 10:19 PM
Big up Skream regardless, he's put in the work.

yeah, i'm not sure that i get on board with a skream backlash. "records on my wall" works pretty well when played out, and yeah, he's worked on a couple of really commercial-sounding tracks, but so what? he's done a lot more good tracks than lame ones, gives some of them away free, and his rinse shows with benga can be pretty hilarious. imho.

benjybars
14-07-2010, 10:21 PM
yeah it seems a bit pointless to resent his mainstream stuff really.. he was making amazing FWD>> music when he was 15 ffs! best just to let him get on with it and try and avoid his chart focused stuff as much as possible

samdiamond
14-07-2010, 10:37 PM
yeah i was just talkin about the video, still a massive skream fan and despite the commercial stuff, which i personally don't mind, it isn't like hes only making those kinda tunes. Also it isn't like I'll forget the older tunes.

The 'records on my wall' thing has confused me for a while - who has records on their wall apart from those cages that I think i've seen somewhere? the gold disc thing could make sense. I assumed it was old jungle records (yeah, Hijack's) cos of the break

Leo
14-07-2010, 11:16 PM
yeah, just to be clear: despite liking skream, i do think the "records" video is pretty cringy.

mistersloane
14-07-2010, 11:26 PM
I think everyone should give young boys pulsing baginas in their chests, and I wish I could make films that look like perfume adverts, especially if they are virally marketed as well as don't panic do it.

You don't need to do that sort of stuff Don't Panic, if you got a new PR firm bell dem slags and tell them it isn't working.

mms
15-07-2010, 07:54 AM
you lot need to get over to dubstep forum they don't criticise people over there cos 'they're don's' or whatever.
Of course he's capable of making good music, but he's chosen to chase a sound that's so obviously what he thinks is going to be successful, esp magnetic man by playing up all the tropes of dance music that'll play on the radio and that is easily digested by the dance masses, even though crucially all the big dubstep names are probably big enough to get bigger on their own terms and by being great and cos commercial dance music on the radio is in a terrible state and they're just adding to that now.
Good luck to him but it's not for me really and it lacks any real conviction, there is tons and tons of great music thats much better right now and also there is a chance it won't work, but it probably will.

BareBones
15-07-2010, 08:39 AM
haha! oh man that video is shit. i actually would think it was a joke if the tune wasn't so emo.

Woebot
15-07-2010, 09:20 AM
Have you seen this? I thought it was a joke etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MxnwxZOAng

Some cool shizzle!

oh my fucking lord.

it's the extreme self-confidence and high seriousness of this generation of "media artiste" that does my head in.

i mean, was one ever this far up one's own rear-end? the making of!!! you're joking me.

Dusty
15-07-2010, 09:36 AM
All a bit depressing. That director has too many teeth.

droid
15-07-2010, 09:43 AM
That tune is terrible. An anemic Amen with pseudo video game/euro club bullshit going on in the background.

I predict a Mercury prize.

Dusty
15-07-2010, 10:24 AM
I predict a whole new wave of rape and pillage from Jungles past. No, no... wait... oh Christ, please no; Junglestep.

Tentative Andy
15-07-2010, 11:08 AM
Oh boy. I still really like this tune. Actually I reckon I prob have a bit of a weakness for 'bait' tunes in general. So sue me though, life's too short to worry about such things.

PeteUM
15-07-2010, 11:14 AM
I don't begrudge Skream seeking or finding fame and fortune because I think he's very talented. I'd even forgive him for tailoring a commercial sound in pursuit of the $. What annoys me (far too much, obviously) is this wide-eyed willingness to engage with all kinds of mainstream naffness from someone who has such a well-digested understanding of a musical heritage or whatever. And the epic Barlyesque crassness of this video just reeks of repugnant crossover bullshit where "success" is the only success there is.

And his Twitter feed is just:

This tune/tonight is gonna be SICK.
I feel like death.
Buy my record.

Don't take me too seriously though. I'm just grouchy because yesterday I was in customer collections at John Lewis with the blind lady I work for and there was a silent screen with Roll Deep's Good Times on it and it was the first time I'd seen it and I started thinking about Chomsky and shit.

But you know, a few years ago I'd be buying those Skreamisms and putting them on round my ex-missus's flat and we'd look at each other and be like: "how does this little lad do that?".

I was going to do a tongue-in-cheek YouTube video called "How Can We Radicalise The Dubstep DJs?" but I haven't got round to it yet...

Tentative Andy
15-07-2010, 11:23 AM
Yeah the video is pretty embarassing, no doubt about that.
One thing though, for everyone that is saying this is too commercial, mainstream etc - yes it's obv very glossily produced, but last time I checked the charts weren't exactly chock-full of jungle records. Or perhaps I'm missing something?

BareBones
15-07-2010, 11:33 AM
it's not *really* a jungle tune is it though. it's a commercial dance tune using a breakbeat - which there's nothing wrong with in concept of course, i just think this tune is shit. the video makes it a thousand times worse for sure.

rubberdingyrapids
15-07-2010, 11:34 AM
I checked the charts weren't exactly chock-full of jungle records. Or perhaps I'm missing something?

its always 94 in my house. ;)
this reminds me of newham gens' head get mangled in a way.
its not really jungle-JUNGLE, its just tapping into that nostalgia for 90s rave.
more like hardcore rave than jungle.
but its really just the nostalgia element more than anything.
bit safer to come with something that people will be more familiar with and seems like 'aaahh good times!' than come with next level dubstep or whatever (if skream can even still do that, i dont know).
plus its recession time, the average person doesnt want anything too unusual.
or so i keep hearing.
skreams just taken the easy route.
its really well executed i think, hes just a great producer isnt he? but its also just dissapointingly safe.
sad to see a) someone as talented as him going down this route. b) the climate (musical, political, whatever) making it so hard for people to be succesful not taking this route.

edit - barebones beat me to it

michael
15-07-2010, 11:43 AM
What I find most depressing is that the tune was posted (and people had the opportunity to discuss it) months back in the Dubstep thread, yet it's some (much-derided) viral marketing horseshit that actually triggers most discussion about it.

OK, actually that's not quite as depressing as hearing the video director speak, but pretty close.

rubberdingyrapids
15-07-2010, 11:45 AM
i think everyones knows it already.
but now weve been provoked into talking about it.
lot of hype around at the moment with magnetic man and skream etc.

Tentative Andy
15-07-2010, 11:45 AM
its always 94 in my house. ;)
this reminds me of newham gens' head get mangled in a way.
its not really jungle-JUNGLE, its just tapping into that nostalgia for 90s rave.
more like hardcore rave than jungle.
but its really just the nostalgia element more than anything.
bit safer to come with something that people will be more familiar with and seems like 'aaahh good times!' than come with next level dubstep or whatever (if skream can even still do that, i dont know).
plus its recession time, the average person doesnt want anything too unusual.
or so i keep hearing.
skreams just taken the easy route.
its really well executed i think, hes just a great producer isnt he? but its also just dissapointingly safe.
sad to see a) someone as talented as him going down this route. b) the climate (musical, political, whatever) making it so hard for people to be succesful not taking this route.

edit - barebones beat me to it

Ok thanks, that's actually a really good explanation. Yeah that kind of safe nostalgia prob is a big part of the appeal of the tune. I guess the nostalgia has just hooked me more than it has others here on this occassion. :slanted:

Leo
15-07-2010, 01:07 PM
these few slick, commercial tracks represent only a tiny percentage of what he's done, a small handful at most. the vast majority of his output is a lot different, and mostly a lot better.

Sick Boy
15-07-2010, 01:38 PM
its really well executed i think, hes just a great producer isnt he?

This record sounds like the kind of tune that comes with a new PC in order to test your soundcard. It is not only vapid, lifeless and lacking any identity whatsoever; it is completely disingenuous.

routes
16-07-2010, 09:49 AM
the tune itself is just plain boring uninspired whatever. but it's annoying me that people are saying this tune is well-produced. it's not. it's just loud. the video however is embarrassingly ill-conceived poorly-executed shite. and i never say bad things on the internet.

massrock
16-07-2010, 02:38 PM
I think the thing with this tune is that it's well put together in a traditionally 'musical' way. The harmonic progression is slick, which I think is the sort of thing that can go down well with a wider pop audience. It's what people think of, maybe without knowing quite why, as a 'good song' or 'proper music', well behaved, satisfying and reassuring in a way. I'm not sure if this is necessarily a good thing but it's also an achievement. It's more about this than the rhythm, perhaps obviously, so in that sense it works more on the level of one of those pop-trance tracks. The amen sounds really unfunky like that, but it's also very readily comprehensible, and actually not that different to some of those early DHR tracks.

Skream's made so many tunes though, I don't think people should begrudge him selling a few records. Maybe that's why I can't totally dislike this - I'd dance if I heard it I think and I'd be pleased if lots of people were dancing to a Skream track. Maybe I should be more ideologically opposed to this kind of entryist move ;-)

massrock
16-07-2010, 02:42 PM
Is it a big 'hit' right now? I can't be bothered to look.

I suppose it is quite a poor state of affairs that such conservative and traditional musical values are still what 'the public', or worse 'the kids' apparently want....

massrock
16-07-2010, 02:44 PM
I think I've just repeated what a couple of other people said, which is nice, we agree.

Hmm, not sure how 'recession' / hard-times should translate into easy musical values. I'm not sure that's such a simple equation at all. I mean people want to party as always but ther's more than one way to party.

massrock
16-07-2010, 02:48 PM
Re: Magnetic Man, wasn't Arthur Smith involved in some of the Daniel Beddingfield stuff? Or was that just remixes? I've got a 12" with Sounds Of Da Future mixes of Gotta Get Thru This. Those first few Magnetic Man tracks sounded really good at the time, quite startling.

massrock
16-07-2010, 02:52 PM
What I find most depressing is that the tune was posted (and people had the opportunity to discuss it) months back in the Dubstep thread, yet it's some (much-derided) viral marketing horseshit that actually triggers most discussion about it.
Did some people express immediate dislike for it and Martin Blackdown said it went off every time they played it, or was that something else?

massrock
16-07-2010, 02:54 PM
Blatant street teaming isn't quite the same as proper viral marketing. You have to respect a good piece of viral marketing. Maybe the McGuffin here is how embarrassing the video / making-of is. Clever!

Sick Boy
16-07-2010, 03:14 PM
I can't accept this notion that has gained popularity ever since CD sales started to bottom out that since an artist has been making great music for so long with little financial reward he therefore somehow "deserves" the money made from a pandering, disingenuous tune cynically made in order to earn a better living. On the one hand we can bemoan the state of mainstream music as being held to a horribly low standard, and then on the other we can applaud when an otherwise more ambitious artist contributes to it in order to get a paycheque?

If this tune didn't have "Skream" written on the tin, then if it wasn't held in contempt by everybody here, it would've been invariably ignored. This "don't hate my hustle" rhetoric that is germinating in virtually every music culture is just plain ridiculous. We are talking about art here, for god's sake! Anyone who has ever got into art for the money has been sorely, sorely mislead.

massrock
16-07-2010, 03:29 PM
Can you really say that the tune is disingenuous and cynical? What if he just enjoyed making it? There's any number of aims you can have as an artist and you don't have to stick with one. It's probably more that this has been picked by record company people as a single.

It is an achievement to make something with wide appeal. I agree it's not always a noble one but it's also a challenge and I think obviously something that people like to try and do sometimes, especially where they have reached a point where they feel it might be expected of them. It's craftsmanship I suppose.

And is it really the 'standards' of mainstream music that are low or is it more a case of values? I mean the standards by some measures are very high, that is the music and production achieves what it sets out to. And then you can have music of lower 'standards' in that sense that has 'higher' values. Like say Ancient Memories Remix. It's not going to win A Song for Europe.

I am playing devil's advocate to an extent here. But entryism (and it probably isn't even as cynical as that) is not always a bad thing. This was the big triumph of pop in the 80s wasn't it? Of course since then much actual big selling pop went and tipped over into almost complete marketing lead cynicism, which I think in large part is what has lead to the terrible devaluation of the idea of music and what it can be in terms of the mainstream.

Sick Boy
16-07-2010, 03:41 PM
And is it really the 'standards' of mainstream music that are low or is it more a case of values? I mean the standards by some measures are very high, that is the music and production achieves what it sets out to. And then you can have music of lower 'standards' in that sense that has 'higher' values. Like say Ancient Memories Remix. It's not going to win A Song for Europe.


Yes, it is a case of values. In the same way that discussing politics, ethics or language is a case of values. But isn't the whole reason that we even bother spending the energy on debating any of these issues despite an apparent lack of metaphysical a priori objectivity to refer to is because we feel that political/ethical/aesthetic/linguistic standards are for something? If you submit to a disimpassioned all-permitting subjectivity and throw all criticism to the wind, we may as well close the 'Music' forum here, or at the very least we shouldn't have banned the original poster for advertising this video. After all, he would be participating in the only real discussion we could have about art and music anymore.

That Skream may have achieved excellence within the frame of what he set out to do doesn't necessitate that I agree with or endorse his intentions. And the possibility that Skream himself felt he made a work of value also has absolutely no bearing on whether I should feel the same way.

Tentative Andy
16-07-2010, 04:29 PM
Yeah, I kind of agree with Massrock here - as much as I'm usually amongst the first to start making dubious claims about the ideological context of a tune, in this case I think too may people are acting like they know with absolute certainty the contents of what goes on in Skream's head.
I think it's clear from things that he's made in the past (and also iirc things that he's said in interviews and so forth) that he loves a lot of music in the jungle/hardcore tradition, and making this tune seems like his attempt to pay tribute to that tradition in a more explicit way than usual.
Yes, maybe he also had an inkling that it would be the sort of thing that would sell - it certainly seems that his record company did - but again, I don't think you can say with any certainty that it was the only motive. There's simply not enough evidence to claim that the tune is 'disingenuous' or whatever. (Disingenuous how, anyway? Does he really secretly hate all breakbeat music or something?).

routes
16-07-2010, 04:32 PM
http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/30095-norman_cook_revealed_retiring_current_pseudonym_fa tboy_slim_care_guess_new_one_be.jpg

http://img.noctamina.com/2008/12/skream-djing.jpg

Sick Boy
16-07-2010, 04:38 PM
It is an achievement to make something with wide appeal. I agree it's not always a noble one but it's also a challenge and I think obviously something that people like to try and do sometimes, especially where they have reached a point where they feel it might be expected of them. It's craftsmanship I suppose.


I should also point out that all you have really said here is that it is a challenge to make a song with wide appeal. It is also a challenge to make a song with depth, timelessness, originality, or soul. It is also a challenge for me to leave my house completely naked, balance with one foot on a single stilt on the middle of the freeway, juggle machetes and defecate on the windshieds of passing cars. As you mentioned, it's not always a noble pursuit.

Your second point adds a bit more to this point, but when you pursue it you are basically engaging in the kind of debates I think are necessary. Making these kinds of tunes is a challenge an artist should take on because it is expected by whom exactly? If you follow this line of questioning, you'll find we end up talking about a lot more things than Skream's ability to pay his rent.

Tentative Andy
16-07-2010, 04:45 PM
Let's be honest with ourselves though, if a tune has to have 'depth, timelessness, originality or soul' to be valid, a good 60 - 70% of the music we regularly discuss here would be right out of the window already. Eff that.

Edit: ok, that was a bit flippant. But I do genuinely find depth and timelessness in particular to be real turn-offs when used to assess the value of a piece of music. They are not objective aesthetic values imo, they are particular subjective projects that some people pursue but some (most) others don't. That's not to say that there aren't or can't be an objective aesthetic values, it's just my view that if there are, they have to be ones that are a good deal more abstract than that. Originality and soul perhaps have more of a foothold, but again imo are prob best understood as metaphors for something less individualistic.

Sick Boy
16-07-2010, 04:46 PM
Yeah, I kind of agree with Massrock here - as much as I'm usually amongst the first to start making dubious claims about the ideological context of a tune, in this case I think too may people are acting like they know with absolute certainty the contents of what goes on in Skream's head.
I think it's clear from things that he's made in the past (and also iirc things that he's said in interviews and so forth) that he loves a lot of music in the jungle/hardcore tradition, and making this tune seems like his attempt to pay tribute to that tradition in a more explicit way than usual.
Yes, maybe he also had an inkling that it would be the sort of thing that would sell - it certainly seems that his record company did - but again, I don't think you can say with any certainty that it was the only motive. There's simply not enough evidence to claim that the tune is 'disingenuous' or whatever. (Disingenuous how, anyway? Does he really secretly hate all breakbeat music or something?).

I will concede to this. It is only a guess based on the evidence that this is not the kind of music we have ever come to expect from him before, and that it is also a kind of music condusive to making a lot of money, and that dubstep isn't a particularly lucrative genre to operate in, and that Skream has a much greater chance now to put commercial tunes in the hands of people who will play them now, and that this will result in him making money his other works can't provide him.

However, if I'm wrong about his intentions it is still my position that this track isn't very good at all and that there is no good argument for why he would "deserve" the success it might entail purely based on the merits of previous, (and in my opinion) much better work. It's not "Midnight Request Line" that is a chart-entry, and it won't ever be if artists feel like in order to make status quo money they need to re-enforce the status quo as it currently stands. This criticism stands fully apart from the contents of Skream's head.

Sick Boy
16-07-2010, 04:51 PM
Let's be honest with ourselves though, if a tune has to have 'depth, timelessness, originality or soul' to be valid, a good 60 - 70% of the music we regularly discuss here would be right out of the window already. Eff that.

I think you'd have a hard time convincing quite a few people of that.

bobbin
16-07-2010, 04:55 PM
Can you really say that the tune is disingenuous and cynical? What if he just enjoyed making it? There's any number of aims you can have as an artist and you don't have to stick with one.


in this case I think too may people are acting like they know with absolute certainty the contents of what goes on in Skream's head.

agree! what bits and bobs i've picked up suggests he doesn't have what some of you would consider 'good' taste in music. it seems his taste is very catholic i don't see any reason to think he's being cynical rather than sincere as ever.

plus it's hardly the first time he's done a record i personally think is horrible, i mean what about that la roux mix!

it might be hard to square with him making music in the past that people consider perfectly tasteful, but there are quite a lot of great musicians out there who've got indiscriminate taste themselves!


Re: Magnetic Man, wasn't Arthur Smith involved in some of the Daniel Beddingfield stuff? Or was that just remixes? I've got a 12" with Sounds Of Da Future mixes of Gotta Get Thru This.

arthur smith was the engineer i believe. one of bedingfield's selling points as i remember was that he produced gotta get thru this in his bedroom, but in reality the version that came out was re-engineered. conversely arthur also did the grain records on fat cat, predated the notion of techno or idm kids picking up on garage by some margin. interesting bloke really!

Tentative Andy
16-07-2010, 05:04 PM
what bits and bobs i've picked up suggests he doesn't have what some of you would consider 'good' taste in music.

This is an important point I reckon. Prob applies to quite a few producers too.

massrock
16-07-2010, 05:06 PM
What are these qualities though? Where do you want to locate them and how do you define them? Where is the actual criticism? Doesn't it just come down you don't find much of interest in this track? Or what 'should' it have that it doesn't, what shouldn't it have that it does? And why? Really... Is it just snobbery. The tune is for the record really a bit of fluff for me. It might matter so much if it somehow represented the whole of music but it in no way does.

And for that matter should we (or rather musicians and people who like music) submit to all-permissive acceptance of critical approaches? I think not. It just doesn't work that way. Certainly not if they want actually make anything, it's bollocks isn't it. I'm sure it's fine to think about these things, but it's not really all there is or even anything like what comes first when making or responding to music. And we're talking about music for dancing to here.

As for 'challenges', to me it's not whether it's something an artist should or shouldn't do, but simply that it might be something they do or feel they want to do. Art isn't about should or shouldn't. If you're on the side of the artist, which I am, then those seem like really miserly concerns.

Yeah, lots more to pick apart. Not got time right now.

massrock
16-07-2010, 05:09 PM
This track probably moves large rooms full of people. Are they having a substandard experience? Is it an existential lie that there isn't a 20 minute polyrhythmic percussion breakdown in the middle with Guatamalan schoolchildren chanting marxist slogans through vocoders over it? I'm prepared to accept that is the case actually. ;)

Sick Boy
16-07-2010, 05:17 PM
What are these qualities though? Where do you want to locate them and how do you define them? Where is the actual criticism? Doesn't it just come down you don't find much of interest in this track? Or what 'should' it have that it doesn't, what shouldn't it have that it does? And why? Really... Is it just snobbery?

... are all very good questions to ask when you have decided that:



should we (or rather musicians and people who like music) submit to all-permissive acceptance of critical approaches? I think not.

All I am saying is that congratulating Skream on making a commercially successful tune purely on the grounds that it is commercially successful and therefore personally beneficial to him is never going to begin to answer any of those questions you suggested. At that point we aren't really talking about art or music anymore. We're just describing an event.

owengriffiths
16-07-2010, 10:50 PM
arthur smith was the engineer i believe. one of bedingfield's selling points as i remember was that he produced gotta get thru this in his bedroom, but in reality the version that came out was re-engineered. conversely arthur also did the grain records on fat cat, predated the notion of techno or idm kids picking up on garage by some margin. interesting bloke really!

The bedroom original of gotta get thru this was great though. It was like a R&B devil mix. It was on one of the Pure Garage Cd's. Then they ruined things by bringing out a cheesy verison for the charts.

massrock
16-07-2010, 10:59 PM
The Sounds Of Da Future mixes are alright, similar sort of template to Ramp and Red with a bit of the vocal.

benjybars
17-07-2010, 08:56 AM
The Sounds Of Da Future mixes are alright, similar sort of template to Ramp and Red with a bit of the vocal.


anywhere i can hear the SOTF remix of GGTT by DB?

massrock
17-07-2010, 11:27 AM
Easy - http://www.discogs.com/sell/list?release_id=21668&ev=rb ;)

I should say so as not to mislead you that it's probably more along the lines of the Tonka remix, and quite simple and repetitive. Haven't got the record to hand so that's what I'm remembering. It's not that great, but worth a go for 79p I should think.

blacktulip
19-07-2010, 11:57 AM
Fucking loved the 'making of' video. Like taking a magnifying glass to a turd only to discover a lost race of microscopic Peep-Show-bit-part players living on its moon-landscape surface, each with a name containing more hyphens than this sentence.

vokoda
19-07-2010, 12:14 PM
fucking loved the 'making of' video. Like taking a magnifying glass to a turd only to discover a lost race of microscopic peep-show-bit-part players living on its moon-landscape surface, each with a name containing more hyphens than this sentence.

lol

mos dan
19-07-2010, 01:37 PM
lol my sister went to uni with david wilson, he's a nice guy. only 25

what do people think of the magnetic man album, anyone who's heard any of it?

i'm still waiting to find out on what basis they got on the cover of the nme? why those three, in particular, for the big mainstream 'face of dubstep' crossover ting?

BareBones
19-07-2010, 01:38 PM
all roads lead back to that la roux remix, i suspect

samdiamond
19-07-2010, 07:03 PM
Also they're a 'band'. The NME loves 'bands'

continuum
19-07-2010, 07:40 PM
here 'it' is again if you missed it

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4008/4525130739_e72242a2ed_o.jpg

rubberdingyrapids
20-07-2010, 10:31 AM
i'm still waiting to find out on what basis they got on the cover of the nme? why those three, in particular, for the big mainstream 'face of dubstep' crossover ting?

cos theyre a 'band'.
they do 'live shows' rather than sets.
and cos they wear leather and shades.
and drink and take drugs.
also perhaps cos its a mixed race group, i mean band.
sort of like a dubstep n dubz.
really though, who else could be the face of dubstep? skream and benga are both pioneers AND two of the most globally popular djs in dubstep. only natural really that theyd be good nominations as the mainstream face of dubstep.

alex
20-07-2010, 10:36 AM
really though, who else could be the face of dubstep?

caspa? lulz

mistersloane
20-07-2010, 10:57 AM
I like the Magnetic Man 'I Need Air' song, in theory. I like the fact that it does what it's singing about - it's a congruent song, it achieves intentionality. For me dubstep was all about the space it created, and I think it does that successfully as a song and a manifesto for the dancefloor, to give room.

And I like it cos it proves my point that beneath every experimental producer there's a actually a person that wishes they'd written 'No Scrubs'.

HMGovt
20-07-2010, 11:07 AM
According to Capital Radio, who are giving Magnetic Man plenty of airplay, he's actually an individual human man and by necessity wears a silver foil suit.

rubberdingyrapids
20-07-2010, 11:08 AM
if only it was as catchy as no scrubs.
its a dubstep version of a pop song really.
respectable, nice, dreamy, nothing sexual about it, chilled out, 'good vibes' etc.
just a bit muzaky.

forgot about caspa - surprised hes not been more nme-endorsed really, theres a lot there that would make him appeal to the indie crowd, but hes not got a 'band' as such (him and rusko should have done this), which makes MM more of a big deal, cos theyve made that jump to becoming a prodigy type thing for dubstep.

Tentative Andy
20-07-2010, 01:54 PM
Yeah, it would be only fair to say that I think I Need Air is a bit naff. Katy On A Mission is quite a bit better I reckon.

gumdrops
20-07-2010, 02:06 PM
dont like on a mission much either really.
esp after seeing benga singing along and looking all matey (almost e'd up?) and dancing around in the video.
what is it with dubstep guys always trying to appear all matey and friendly all the time? (this might just be a leftover reaction from seeing producers post on dsf)

BareBones
20-07-2010, 02:11 PM
forgot about caspa - surprised hes not been more nme-endorsed really, theres a lot there that would make him appeal to the indie crowd, but hes not got a 'band' as such (him and rusko should have done this).

rusko already has the appalling haircut which could make this work

droid
20-07-2010, 02:12 PM
dont like on a mission much either really.


Oh dear. I just saw the video for this. :eek: Looks like we've reached 2004 in D+B years...

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Tentative Andy
20-07-2010, 02:12 PM
I like it 'cos the vocal seems to fit the tune very well. It's not the greatest thing since sliced bread, obviously.
But yeah, none of the videos for the tunes we're discussing are particularly good as videos, though On A Mission does have the bonus of Katy B looking gorgeous in it. The crowd in the I Need Air video has to be one of the most student-tastic I've seen, lolz I'm so cynical these days.


Edit: this was in response to gumdrops not to droid, obviously...

BareBones
20-07-2010, 02:17 PM
haha that tali thing is dreadful! she can't even keep up with the beat!

Sectionfive
20-07-2010, 02:20 PM
They should do away with all this and just let the squid from the 'night' be the official face of dubstep or whatever..

Edit: He's not in band though I suppose.

rubberdingyrapids
20-07-2010, 02:26 PM
the dj rap of dubstep:

http://pics.myspaceprofiles.org/272/l/2795272_3.jpg

surprised she didnt do better.
not a bad face for dubstep.

don_quixote
20-07-2010, 02:29 PM
Fucking loved the 'making of' video. Like taking a magnifying glass to a turd only to discover a lost race of microscopic Peep-Show-bit-part players living on its moon-landscape surface, each with a name containing more hyphens than this sentence.

this post is pretty funny

i like i need air and when i hear katy on a mission i have to turn it up LOUD.

rubberdingyrapids
20-07-2010, 02:31 PM
They should do away with all this and just let the squid from the 'night' be the official face of dubstep or whatever..

Edit: He's not in band though I suppose.

there should be a gorillaz-type dubstep band.

droid
20-07-2010, 02:36 PM
Dubstep has a 'face'? I thought it was just an arse at both ends. :D

Seriously bummed by this magnetic man stuff. Its appalling shite. 'Coffee table' would be a compliment.

Maybe they're trying for Elizabeth Troy, but they're ending up with Tali.

Dusty
20-07-2010, 02:37 PM
Just watched MagneticMan 'I Need Air' to see what all the fuss is about.

At first I had to double check I hadn't been rick rolled because as those trance stabs built up over the video of candy ravers waving their hands in the air I could have sworn I had been forwarded to a Tiesto video. It got worse from there. I gave up after a minute, when it became clear the best it had to offer was some kind of tribute to the worst of the worst from the Orbital Blue album mushed in with a healthy dose of extra cheese.

I think I'm too old for this. Now you can analyse peoples reactions as much as you want, call it elitist, call it snobbery I really don't care - but all I want to do is hear good music and that certainly wasn't it. I'll leave it for the yoof of today.

Sick Boy
20-07-2010, 03:38 PM
Dubstep has a 'face'? I thought it was just an arse at both ends. :D


This + that NME cover is screaming for photoshop right now. :D

Corpsey
20-07-2010, 03:41 PM
Annie Mac-tastic.

mms
20-07-2010, 04:27 PM
rusko already has the appalling haircut which could make this work

yeah rusko looks like he's got all the nasty free clothes that he gets sent to him on at the same time too. Him and David Guetta., both look appauling.

michael
20-07-2010, 09:01 PM
haha that tali thing is dreadful! she can't even keep up with the beat!

New Zealand has a great track record for MCs.

:p

BareBones
21-07-2010, 09:40 AM
yeah rusko looks like he's got all the nasty free clothes that he gets sent to him on at the same time too. Him and David Guetta., both look appauling.

i think david guetta actually looks quite sweet, like a nerd who is delighted and shocked that anyone is paying him any attention. but yeah rusko just looks like a prick.

Phaedo
02-08-2010, 04:13 PM
Gonna be honest, i like the tune. I can get into the "epicness" of it. Fair enough if you can't though i can see how this track could be seen to be total shit.

And for the video... ermm yeh, thats awful.