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gumdrops
22-03-2005, 12:00 PM
just heard this. when im here might be the best thing on it. not really what i wanted to hear from them, but at the same time, its not that bad. they do commercial pap quite well.

MolexRoots
22-03-2005, 12:26 PM
Is this like a promo for the RD album? If so, where can I get my paws on it? \o/

captain easychord
22-03-2005, 01:05 PM
not really feeling this release.

gumdrops
29-03-2005, 03:58 PM
too much pop/R&B beats on this. i still like it cos its roll deep but this isnt grime entering the mainstream on its own terms at all.

Tactics
29-03-2005, 04:33 PM
too much pop/R&B beats on this. i still like it cos its roll deep but this isnt grime entering the mainstream on its own terms at all.


where you get this? the net?

gumdrops
29-03-2005, 04:48 PM
i got a promo copy off a mate....

theo
29-03-2005, 06:37 PM
too much pop/R&B beats on this. i still like it cos its roll deep but this isnt grime entering the mainstream on its own terms at all.

You said it! This is all that really needs to be said about this album. As far as I am concerned Creeper Vol 1 is the definitive Roll Deep album although technically a mixtape.

Fiddy
29-03-2005, 06:39 PM
people should be aware that promo of album isn't finished one - theres some trax missing (more grimey ones) and some versions on it are wrong i.e. no riko at moment

Clubberlang
29-03-2005, 06:41 PM
This is a relief.

gumdrops
29-03-2005, 06:47 PM
dont know about creeper being the real roll deep album, half of that was hip hop tempos and hip hop style beats too. that was better than this though. this is too commercial. that said, i like the corniness of it. i dont know if there really will be more grimey tracks on the finished one, just cos the promo ive seen is direct from the label...... i think this is the final version as it stands, sadly. hopefully it will do well for them though, no point in selling out if youre not going to literally sell out of the shops.......

Fiddy
29-03-2005, 08:35 PM
the promo from the record company is the one I'm talking about... not final one

Pearsall
30-03-2005, 03:05 PM
How do you fuckers have Creeper already? DC++? (I hate that program)

Melchior
31-03-2005, 01:08 AM
How do you fuckers have Creeper already? DC++? (I hate that program)

And where do people get this shit off DC++? That EskiBoy hub? How do you get access?!?!?

theo
31-03-2005, 03:20 AM
soulseek is good and is mac and pc. I never managed to get DC working either.

believekevin
31-03-2005, 04:46 AM
i don't know much about DC++ (never got it poppin on gnome/linux) but nicotine is a reliable slsk client. what's the story on Creeper? i got it off a bro and he didn't have the info on it either.

have to say the 1 minute treatment of aaliyah's "miss you" is one of the best tracks i've heard all year.

gumdrops
31-03-2005, 12:00 PM
the promo from the record company is the one I'm talking about... not final one

thats a bad move on the labels part then - people are gonna review it from whats on the promo copies.... oh well.

Pearsall
31-03-2005, 10:47 PM
Ok, I got Creeper off Soulseek last night. Anyone have a tracklist? (I'll buy it when it comes out, this rip has lots of gaps between tracks). I also got Roll Deep 'Rollin Deeper', is that the album that leaked so they went back in the studio to do new stuff? Way too much cheesy rnb-ish type stuff. Not enough grime. Hope the album when it drops has more grimeyness.

Heartbreak Avenue = bleh

theo
01-04-2005, 08:56 AM
Ok, I got Creeper off Soulseek last night. Anyone have a tracklist? (I'll buy it when it comes out, this rip has lots of gaps between tracks). I also got Roll Deep 'Rollin Deeper', is that the album that leaked so they went back in the studio to do new stuff? Way too much cheesy rnb-ish type stuff. Not enough grime. Hope the album when it drops has more grimeyness.

Heartbreak Avenue = bleh

Yeah some of the rnb tracks on that album don't even work on an rnb level.
I love Scratchy's freestyle on creeper though and the Sniper slew cause it is way over the top. Sorry I don't have the tracklist either. Also check the UK Grime room on slsk, it is easier to find stuff that way.

I thought Creeper Vol 1 was out already and that they are now working on vol 2.

gumdrops
03-05-2005, 05:55 PM
in a way, ive kind of rethought my stance on this. yeah its utter cheese, but its just one album. not sure if this will have seismic impact on the scene. on one hand it seems like a sell out compromised move to me, but on the other hand, i feel a bit bad at saying roll deep have to stick with one music. thats not the point though, nothing wrong if they wanna do a bit of hip hop or R&B, but this stuff is just straightly aimed at the lowest common denominator. whether they sat around thinking up a plan to do that or not, thats what it is. i like it in so far as i like cheese, but this is just embarassingly corny at times. best of luck to them though, i hope they do well with this.

Tactics
03-05-2005, 06:24 PM
in a way, ive kind of rethought my stance on this. yeah its utter cheese, but its just one album. not sure if this will have seismic impact on the scene. on one hand it seems like a sell out compromised move to me, but on the other hand, i feel a bit bad at saying roll deep have to stick with one music. thats not the point though, nothing wrong if they wanna do a bit of hip hop or R&B, but this stuff is just straightly aimed at the lowest common denominator. whether they sat around thinking up a plan to do that or not, thats what it is. i like it in so far as i like cheese, but this is just embarassingly corny at times. best of luck to them though, i hope they do well with this.


from what I've heard I agree....a lot of it is jus straight up commercial. A lot of things get my goat sometimes bout Roll Deep - one recently is the fact that Wiley doesn't really seem to really care about this LP doing well, the arrogance of it. It could be the fact that they are apparently licensing these tracks to Relentless which displays a level of industry power I didn't know they had....

Its the current hip hop influenced view of sales as a total barometer of sucess which, I think, was the deciding factor in these commercial tracks. Within garage this should not be a prominent thought but a afterthought I think. Garage is at a level similar to indie music when it first kicked off but bands survived because they toured. Instead garage crews don't have a stage show and only play out at raves so they are goin nowhere fast.

Dizzee is the dude cos he hasn't compromised his approach (well not really) and HE TOURS - my respect for him has grown tenfold and perhaps BreakBeat will be on his next LP lol....

Pearsall
03-05-2005, 08:19 PM
This is one of those things that I think is kind of perplexing, the idea that doing straight grime is the route to failure, that you have to go down the hip-hop/rnb route. When has UK Hip-Hop ever been that big?

And it's not like the UK charts have historically been resistant to up-tempo stuff. Bizarre reasoning going on.

HMGovt
03-05-2005, 08:39 PM
I see Wiley and Kano are appearing at the Junction in Cambridge this Saturday (with DJSS upstairs - what's he doing these days?). What are the chances of either Wiley or Kano turning up at all, and is it likely they'll be any good live?

I saw Kano at a truly woeful Streets gig in Brixton last year and can't say I was too impressed, but still keen to go this Sa'day.

filth
03-05-2005, 11:46 PM
Wiley, tinchy stryder + crew were at clare cellars (cambridge) last friday despite much suspicion they wouldnt show. heavy heavy night. not seen cambridge uni crowds that rowdy, ever, i think.

ryan17
04-05-2005, 12:03 AM
it is extremely disappointing that 'commercialising' their sound is the route that was decided for this. it is impossible to justify and worse, it is hardly surprising.

HMGovt
04-05-2005, 12:25 AM
Wiley, tinchy stryder + crew were at clare cellars (cambridge) last friday despite much suspicion they wouldnt show. heavy heavy night. not seen cambridge uni crowds that rowdy, ever, i think.

That's the last venue on Earth I'd expect to see them, so I'm surprised and impressed. Tell us more, how did it work out? Any hope of a townie like me gaining entry to somewhere like that the next time around?

max from fearless
04-05-2005, 12:29 AM
It's a damn shame, that even though several tracks are apparently being added to the LP, including "Poltergeist Relay" remix, that the LP as it is, is an embarrasing hip-hop/r'n'b hybrid - i just can't believe the reviews i've read saying how massive, and 'over big' the LP is. I love Roll Deep. Wiley is a great producer. "When I'm Ere" is friggin amazing. But "Bus Stop," "Good Girl," now apparently featuring J2K ... not saying much at all.

My respect for Diz, has doubled since "In at the Deep End" arrived at the yard. Can't wait for Dylan's next LP, all i know so far is that Wonder has done another track for him... and "Respect Me" is a personal fav so fingers crossed.

When does Creeper 1 + 2 come out? I'm sure these will be more consistent...

gumdrops
04-05-2005, 01:56 PM
well, the OMM and Q have given it really good reviews.......

ambrose
04-05-2005, 02:03 PM
this album is wicked. wileys throws another curveball to the scene.

theres some boring tunes but every album has boring stuff on it. I dont really see this as "commercial" (or in fatc that commercial is a bad thing), all the 80s soul cheese doesnt seem like its gonna sit that well with the pop market, and if it does then all i can say is "nice 1!". bring the slap bass.

I think this will be a commercial failure, but i think wiley and that lot have got balls to put it out.

gumdrops
04-05-2005, 02:40 PM
this album is wicked. wileys throws another curveball to the scene.

theres some boring tunes but every album has boring stuff on it. I dont really see this as "commercial" (or in fatc that commercial is a bad thing), all the 80s soul cheese doesnt seem like its gonna sit that well with the pop market, and if it does then all i can say is "nice 1!". bring the slap bass.

I think this will be a commercial failure, but i think wiley and that lot have got balls to put it out.

not all curveballs are good though. of course its commercial! cant see it doing well though. stuff like this only seems to do well if its by black eyed peas or big brovaz.

Tactics
04-05-2005, 06:47 PM
here's the LP cover! I like it...reminds me of Super Furry Animals....

http://www.rolldeepcrew.co.uk/pictures/album.jpg

and info....

"Roll Deep's debut album will be released on May 30th, 2005. Track Listings 1. Flying Away 2. The Avenue 3. Show You featuring Jenna G 4. Let It Out 5. Bus Stop 6. Be Careful featuring Alex Cartana 7. When Ií Ere 8. Shake A Leg 9. Remember The Day 10. People Donít Know 11. Heat Up 12. Good Girl"

I ain't heard the whole thing but I like 4 of those tracks for certain....

Pearsall
04-05-2005, 07:02 PM
here's the LP cover! I like it...reminds me of Super Furry Animals....

http://www.rolldeepcrew.co.uk/pictures/album.jpg

and info....

"Roll Deep's debut album will be released on May 30th, 2005. Track Listings 1. Flying Away 2. The Avenue 3. Show You featuring Jenna G 4. Let It Out 5. Bus Stop 6. Be Careful featuring Alex Cartana 7. When Ií Ere 8. Shake A Leg 9. Remember The Day 10. People Donít Know 11. Heat Up 12. Good Girl"

I ain't heard the whole thing but I like 4 of those tracks for certain....

Not heard 'Flying Away' or 'Bus Stop'.

Don't really like 'Show You', 'Be Careful', 'The Avenue' (love the remix though), or 'Good Girl'

Like the rest though. I'll be buying it.

Interesting that it's only 12 tracks. I got the one that was leaked last year off Soulseek and that was 20.

here's the cover for everyone to see it on this thread:
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0009EM0GE.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Pretty cool. Different from the usual, for sure.

captain easychord
04-05-2005, 08:25 PM
Not heard 'Flying Away' or 'Bus Stop'.

Don't really like 'Show You', 'Be Careful', 'The Avenue' (love the remix though), or 'Good Girl'

Like the rest though. I'll be buying it.

Interesting that it's only 12 tracks. I got the one that was leaked last year off Soulseek and that was 20.

here's the cover for everyone to see it on this thread:
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0009EM0GE.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Pretty cool. Different from the usual, for sure.

whoa! that's a psychedelic cover. do you think that each figure represents an individual member of the entourage?

Pearsall
04-05-2005, 08:30 PM
I think so, but besides the guy in the middle (Wiley) I can't tell who is supposed to be who.

captain easychord
04-05-2005, 08:39 PM
that tall guy with the cylindrical hat is trim i think.

Pearsall
04-05-2005, 08:49 PM
The one with the red face? I thought that was hair!

captain easychord
04-05-2005, 08:55 PM
upon further consideration that does seem like his hair.

bun-u
09-05-2005, 04:24 PM
Is this out today....can anybody tell me?

If so, I might swing by Our Price to picfk up a copy

thanks

lazy of new cross

hint
09-05-2005, 04:29 PM
out june 6th

bun-u
09-05-2005, 04:40 PM
Ok so.
I had 9th May down in my head for some reason.

h-crimm
10-05-2005, 08:52 AM
i would say the cover goes summat like....

front row, left to right: discarda, target, breeze, riko, wiley, maximum, flo-dan, danny weed, brazen

back row: tommy guns, jet li, trim, scratchy


of course thats mostly based on little to no evidence... appart from scratchers top-not

more importantly where's scum dave?

simon silverdollar
10-05-2005, 09:03 AM
more importantly where's scum dave?

in his own personal hell.

jack
10-05-2005, 01:28 PM
in his own personal hell.
ha!

droid
10-05-2005, 02:01 PM
That cover stinks of Jamie Hewlett! (or possibly Phillp Bond)... anyone know who did it?

Blackdown
10-05-2005, 02:04 PM
Scum Dave is Whileout Onez isn't he?

HMGovt
10-05-2005, 02:29 PM
That cover stinks

Doesn't it? Has Grime gone Bonkers? If only it was as much fun.

http://i4.ebayimg.com/03/i/03/c3/81/7a_1_b.JPG

hint
10-05-2005, 02:33 PM
That cover stinks of Jamie Hewlett! (or possibly Phillp Bond)... anyone know who did it?

I was thinking more along the lines of doggystyle ;)

droid
10-05-2005, 02:55 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of doggystyle ;)

More gorillazstyle if you ask me ;)

Tactics
10-05-2005, 03:05 PM
as I said before its reminds me of the Super Furry Animals....

tom west
06-06-2005, 08:29 PM
no revive yet?

who likes it then.

gumdrops
06-06-2005, 10:10 PM
the cover makes me think of some YOOOOOOF type design circa channel 4's the word when i was back in school.

Noah Baby Food
07-06-2005, 09:09 AM
Good review at predominantly indie-focussed Playlouder.com:

http://playlouder.com/review/~inatthedeepend/?key=2248d2-2217ae