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connect_icut
10-08-2010, 10:46 PM
Back in the early '00s, I was heavily into the whole glitch thing but there was a lot of it going on and it was hard to keep up. I was working in a record store at the time and distinctly remember a time when Mille Plateaux seemed to be putting out something new on a weekly basis. Much of this stuff seems to have disappeared into the dustbin of history. My question would be: Is any of it worth rediscovering?

(For what it's worth, I'm a big fan of a lot of the lesser known acts affiliated with the label, especially Farmers Manual and General Magic. )

michael
11-08-2010, 04:53 AM
I was somewhat into the glitch thing, probably more interested in the quieter, more ambient aspects and my general feeling is not much stands up that you wouldn't already know about. But yeah, I was always into the more traditionally tonal / softer end of stuff, like Fennesz and Oval, rather than stuff like Farmers Manual.

I've kept up with Pita / Peter Rehberg, and would recommend checking in on his more recent releases if you haven't heard them. 2005's 'Fremdkoerper' is probably my favourite.

Microstoria’s ‘Model 3, Step 2’ (or vice versa, I forget) still sounds superb to me.

Trying to think of stuff beyond the obvious (for someone who cares about glitch) …

Sigma Editions? I thought a lot of their catalogue was good and holds up well. But I’m not sure if you'd consider that glitch or just slightly abstruse ambient stuff. It certainly sounds more glitch than, say, the Kranky school of mooshy ambience with some crackly bits on top. They released Vladislav Delay’s first album (2 out of 3 of the huge tracks ended up on the first one on Mille Plateaux) which is a fair indication of the territory they operated in. Generally very lo-fi, hardware-based material, often pretty lean and restrained. Minit was a highlight – they also had a release on Staubgold.

zhao
11-08-2010, 07:12 AM
i think you understand the output of the 90s "glitch" movement well enough, have grasped the main ideas and are familiar with most if not all of the best artists.

instead of rummaging through that pile for over looked but worthwhile recordings, i think your time will be better rewarded diving into the deeper end of the pool: electro-acoustic, modern classical electronics, tape music, computer music, musique concrete, improvisation involving computers, sound art, etc.

drilla
11-08-2010, 09:59 AM
if you know FM you probably already know these, but if not check out CD Slopper, gcttcatt, and pxp - while(p){print"."," "x$p++}

JWoulf
11-08-2010, 10:56 AM
Probably know it, but Touch, Ash and OR released some amazing stuff.

nochexxx
11-08-2010, 06:23 PM
if you haven't already, check out 'Plux Quba' by Portugeuse sound artist Nuno Canavarro. first released in 1988 and sounds like a contempoary Mego record. not quite 'glitch' though! amazing stuff.

nochexxx
11-08-2010, 06:33 PM
more contempary choices from me would be Ekkehard Ehlers 'Heroin' and 'Plays' of perhaps some of the Akira Rabelais stuff but i guess you know that.

Stuntrock
11-08-2010, 06:46 PM
instead of rummaging through that pile for over looked but worthwhile recordings, i think your time will be better rewarded diving into the deeper end of the pool: electro-acoustic, modern classical electronics, tape music, computer music, musique concrete, improvisation involving computers, sound art, etc.

Second that, big time.

Oh, and the Nuno Canavaro LP is brilliant indeed!

bruno
11-08-2010, 08:47 PM
glitch was/is a terrible label as it flattens an otherwise very rich and rule-less sonic landscape. if you worked at a record store at the time this could include zero gravity/nagata (all over the place), sachiko m (sinewaves), bits on mille plateaux such as tobias hazan (not glitch), philus (finn-medical), farmers manual, the mego output, which is pretty anarchic, anything expansive or interesting about the time is erased by this reductive label. for the record i like and still do have 94 diskont, i'm not opposed to glitch except in the case of my pitted cds, which glitch unrecoverably.

zhao
11-08-2010, 09:01 PM
true glitch is always about indetermincy and working with the process of systems breaking down. when the associated palette of sounds are simply sampled and put into a drum machine to make beats it's just "unconventional" dance music. death to false glitch! :D

connect_icut
12-08-2010, 12:28 AM
Thanks for the recommendations folks (although I am indeed already familiar with most of them).

One thing that's interested me recently is that a few very minor characters from the first wave of gl*tch are still active and producing great work. For example...

Mokira/Andreas Tilliander - Type put out a pretty good Mokira album last year

Andreas Berthling - Performs with awesome Swedish post-rock trio Tape and runs the consistently excellent Hapna label

Can anyone recommend earlier releases by these folks?

Oss
12-08-2010, 02:01 PM
You're probably aware of these but anyway... Some of John Wiese's stuff is really excellent. I love Soft Punk especially. Also Curtis Roads' Point Line Cloud and Microsound.

Stuntrock
12-08-2010, 05:14 PM
Favorite Glitch records from the 90ies and onward, both Crank CDs on Mille Plateaux. Phoenecia and SND being the other big faves.

But my current favorite glitch music is from Cuba in the 70ies/early 80ies, guys like Juan Blanco or Carlos Farinas... It will probably be different next week though ;)

connect_icut
12-08-2010, 07:25 PM
Favorite Glitch records from the 90ies and onward, both Crank CDs on Mille Plateaux.

I'm interested to know more about those. And these...

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Mokira

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Andreas+Berthling

And that kind of thing, generally.

Stuntrock
12-08-2010, 09:51 PM
I'm interested to know more about those.

Crank is (was) Danny Zelonky. He studied with Morton Subotnick, collaborated with Derrick May (if memory serves right), was in Trash Aesthetic, did the first Shadow Huntaz 12", released 3 incredible LPs under the Low Res moniker. The Crank CDs were his most abstract material.

connect_icut
12-08-2010, 10:02 PM
That sounds good!

How about this?

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Yagya

michael
12-08-2010, 10:24 PM
^ Yagya's Chain Reaction style techno. Zero glitch. Pretty good, but I don't think it's what you're after.

I picked up various Mokira / Tilliander releases along the way, but wouldn't recommend any of them.

Zelonky (Crank / Low Res) has another alias again now, Suite Crude Review. Haven't heard that.

connect_icut
12-08-2010, 10:30 PM
I picked up various Mokira / Tilliander releases along the way, but wouldn't recommend any of them.

I feel a big affinity with Tilliander because he makes abstract electronic music but is clearly very influenced by late '80s/early '90s avant rock/dreampop (he has an album called "Sueismine" and a song called "Ode to Ode to Street Hassle"). The one album I have (Mokira - "Persona") is good but not great.

Also, I tend to think of Basic Channel/Chain Reaction as a kind of more dancefloor-centric glitch. No?

michael
12-08-2010, 11:54 PM
I feel a big affinity with Tilliander because he makes abstract electronic music but is clearly very influenced by late '80s/early '90s avant rock/dreampop (he has an album called "Sueismine" and a song called "Ode to Ode to Street Hassle"). The one album I have (Mokira - "Persona") is good but not great.
Yeah, there's an album called I think 'Hateless', which takes a whole lot of song / album titles and changes "love" to "hate". 'Hand in Ghate' being the strangest example. Plenty of distortion and so forth, definite nods to the kind of music you're talking about.

But to be clear, the first few releases, which I was saying I wouldn't recommend, show none of that influence. Much, much more just following the lead of acts like SND, maybe Pole to some degree.


Also, I tend to think of Basic Channel/Chain Reaction as a kind of more dancefloor-centric glitch. No?
There's definitely crossover there - even if just socially / audience-wise - but there was also a lot of techno that followed that line away from grainy noise / murkiness / glitches and was more focused on just synths with dub fx over drum machines. I'll admit it's been a few years since I listened to it, but I'd put Yagya in that camp.

bruno
13-08-2010, 06:13 AM
if you haven't already, check out 'Plux Quba' by Portugeuse sound artist Nuno Canavarro. first released in 1988 and sounds like a contempoary Mego record. not quite 'glitch' though! amazing stuff.
goodness, what a find! it's lovely. it brings to mind formations by mileece, and jocy de oliveira, oddly, but really it's unique and unexpected. thank you.

Stuntrock
13-08-2010, 05:49 PM
Zelonky (Crank / Low Res) has another alias again now, Suite Crude Review. Haven't heard that.

It's great, on the spiritual Jazz side though. He sent a CD of it to me ages ago and it reminded me of his Trouble Man sountrack orchestral take, mixed with Sun Ra!

He also is MVFS on AIM

Stuntrock
13-08-2010, 06:06 PM
goodness, what a find! it's lovely. it brings to mind formations by mileece, and jocy de oliveira, oddly, but really it's unique and unexpected. thank you.


Jocy De Oliveira!!! My brazilian hero! To be honest, I'm actually a little surprised to see her mentioned in this forum, but that's a pleasant surprise :) Druggy electroacoustic bossa!

Another vintage glitch LP : Daniel Arfib

skull kid
14-08-2010, 04:31 PM
you probably know these already, but here's a few of my favourites that don't often get talked about:

kid606 - gq on the eq (beautiful ensoniq asr-10 loop modulation goodness)
takagi masakatsu - pia
tetsu inoue - psycho-acoustic

Stuntrock
14-08-2010, 05:20 PM
After going through all my electronic music wax in the past é-" weeks, I noticed how little of all the IDM still sounds as interesting if not relevant . A mate slept over yesterday, and I was surprised he didn't know of Schematic, so I played the early stuff there, remembered why I liked it in the forst place, and then played Phoenecia's Brownout. The absolute best LP IMHO that ever came out from glitch/whatever, until they release the new stuff (that sounds like nothing I've ever heard!) ;)

nochexxx
16-08-2010, 05:51 PM
goodness, what a find! it's lovely. it brings to mind formations by mileece, and jocy de oliveira, oddly, but really it's unique and unexpected. thank you.


nice one, glad you liked it! incidentally i'm looking for more playful sounding experimental electronic music, stuff like this record, but other than a couple of bits i already know of i've yet to find anything simular.

bruno
17-08-2010, 02:11 AM
nice one, glad you liked it! incidentally i'm looking for more playful sounding experimental electronic music, stuff like this record, but other than a couple of bits i already know of i've yet to find anything simular.
not similiar, nothing is, but manipulated voice is playful to me, so may i recommend arnaldo antunes' corpos no mesmo espaço, which is utterly compelling and weird, espcially if you don't understand portuguese, and the jon rose track from the portuguese compilation hare hunter field. entirely different but worth getting is the philippe arthuys creel pone, which is rather wonderful and in print. accompany with a glass of wine and liberal doses of henri chopin!

nochexxx
17-08-2010, 06:28 PM
not similiar, nothing is, but manipulated voice is playful to me, so may i recommend arnaldo antunes' corpos no mesmo espaço, which is utterly compelling and weird, espcially if you don't understand portuguese, and the jon rose track from the portuguese compilation hare hunter field. entirely different but worth getting is the philippe arthuys creel pone, which is rather wonderful and in print. accompany with a glass of wine and liberal doses of henri chopin!

thanks for the tips. this morning I listened to your Arnaldo Antunes recommendation, which i enjoyed. It probed me to think about whether or not I own any other vocal concrete. The only music I could think of is one of my Metamkine mini-cd’s , perhaps it was Luc Ferrari's peice unheimlich schon that only uses voice? will have to dig it out and jog my memory.

connect_icut
27-01-2011, 07:24 PM
Just got a bunch of Nochexxx/Asoltare stuff in the post. Highly recommended, especially the delightfully Oval-shaped Ascoltare 7" (okay, so it's not literally oval but you know what I'm getting at).

In other news, just uploaded three compilations of glitch and related sounds. More details when I get around to writing a blog post about 'em. For now, here's where they are:

http://www.mediafire.com/?yu85m5mh2jztg

nochexxx
28-01-2011, 12:55 AM
Just got a bunch of Nochexxx/Asoltare stuff in the post. Highly recommended, especially the delightfully Oval-shaped Ascoltare 7" (okay, so it's not literally oval but you know what I'm getting at).

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nice one, very kind of you to say!

connect_icut
03-02-2011, 06:50 PM
As promised a couple of posts back, here's where you can get all three volumes of my Abstract Audio compilation series. Download, listen and enjoy, then buy albums by all the featured artists.

Vol. 1: Glitch (Oval, Fennesz, Ekkehard Ehlers etc.)

Vol. 2: Post-glitch (Tape, Mountains, Greg Davis etc.)

Vol. 3: Glitch techno (Basic Channel, Gas, Monolake etc.)

Get them all here:

http://bubblegumcage3.com/2011/02/03/the-re-ups-abstract-audio-vols-1-3/

Leo
03-02-2011, 07:30 PM
a bit off-topic:

when did people start referring to los angeles low-end theory/beat scene stuff as "glitch"? or more importantly, why did they do it? yeah, there might be a glitchy feel to some of the tracks, but didn't they realize the name was already taken by a very different form of music?

even more off-topic:

speaking of which...what came first for the term "hardcore"? was it first used to describe the US-based minor threat-type punk, or for various forms of dance music?

connect_icut
03-02-2011, 10:20 PM
Well, these things happen, don't they? Think of all the things R&B and garage have meant over the years. Or look at the way "post-rock" now means instrumental emo rock, rather than stuff like Disco Inferno and Seefeel. I'm sure there are lots of other examples of genre tag hijacking, especially in dance music.