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luka
22-03-2005, 11:29 PM
I don't really want to but fuck it man, oona is some careeist flex and i can't endorse someone that pays no mind whatsoever to her constituents. the dopey tart voted for the war and the new 'terror laws'

try and make me change my mind

owen
23-03-2005, 12:08 AM
here's one reason why not-

amid the usual hectoring speech (my attention was wandering somewhat, the sun was shining) at the anti-war rally on saturday he suddenly shouted 'I'M SPARTACUS!' a few times, seemingly expecting everyone to join in. after a couple more attempts he tried 'I'M A SYRIAN! I'M AN IRANIAN!', to no avail. knob jockey.

oh yeah and he's a stalinist and had xmas dinner with tariq aziz and so forth

having said that if i were in bethnal green i'd vote for him

luka
23-03-2005, 12:30 AM
yeah, that's why i don't want to vote for him. however, assuming blair is getting in whatever happens and assuming i want him back with a much reduced majority and assuming the people \i want to lose seats are those who followed him on his most hairbrained adventures, voting for galloway seems like the only sensible option.

i saw oona king the other day campaigning outside tesos on bethnal green road. i didn't harrass her though. she has a friendly facee.

Rambler
23-03-2005, 01:28 PM
You could vote Lib Dem - they were against the war too.

Plus, they come with the added benefit of not believing that the Gulag was a good idea.

craner
23-03-2005, 02:36 PM
Luka Vandross you weasal - you're just annoyed because she took me out last night to watch Hotel Rwanda and then ply me with free wine, while you were at home with nothing to do.

bat020
23-03-2005, 02:47 PM
You could vote Lib Dem - they were against the war too.

Yeah, until it started.

Galloway's the one for Bethnal Green. Even friends of mine who don't like him are voting for him just to get rid of our current incumbent, the unctious Blairite toady Oona King.

mms
23-03-2005, 06:06 PM
i spoke (argued a bit ) with a rep from the respect party on saturday, she things gorgeous george and the party are on to a winning thing and she says there has been quite a return to grassroots acrtivism in the area.
in my area they are trying to give the management of council flats to private companies which as anyone with any sense knows would obviously be a disaster.

Pearsall
23-03-2005, 06:50 PM
Respect - The SWP in loving embrace with the Muslim Brotherhood

Sometimes life is too strange for fiction.

mms
23-03-2005, 06:55 PM
Respect - The SWP in loving embrace with the Muslim Brotherhood

Sometimes life is too strange for fiction.

that was my knee jerk half joking reaction but she thought the spread of support was much wider and multi racial.

Pearsall
23-03-2005, 11:54 PM
that was my knee jerk half joking reaction but she thought the spread of support was much wider and multi racial.

Well, an activist would say that, wouldn't they?

Actually, did you ever read Lindsay German's mayoral campaign blog? It was a masterpiece of unintended hilarity.

http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/blog/

luka
24-03-2005, 12:36 AM
he can beleive what he likes about gulags, he's not going to get the chance to set up his own one in bethnal green is he. the point is getting rid of oona and giving blair a kick in the teeth.

Backjob
24-03-2005, 06:26 AM
I honestly think there's something to be said for voting Tory if you really just want to wind up Blair - it might force a rethink on Labour policies, or even not voting at all.

Voting for SWP type ish is a recipe for being ignored - Tony got to the position he's in by studiously ignoring the hard left - why would he change now?

mms
24-03-2005, 08:38 AM
Well, an activist would say that, wouldn't they?

Actually, did you ever read Lindsay German's mayoral campaign blog? It was a masterpiece of unintended hilarity.

http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/blog/

sure but i grilled her hard and she had some facts and figures to back it up.

luka
24-03-2005, 09:59 AM
voting tory is never an option, and even less so now. i have some principles, its just they're very loose ones. besides, voting tory in bethnal won't really register.

bun-u
24-03-2005, 11:12 AM
Ms King was in my living room a few weeks ago. I had gone out to dump the rubbish and I came back and there she was, hugging a pile of newsletters and standing in the middle of my living room. I told her that I wasn’t interested in the Labour Party and she left. True story.

Again I won’t be legitimising this whole pantomime with a vote.

Rambler
24-03-2005, 11:12 AM
I don't know the details of Bethnal Green constituency politics, but if all you want is to register a protest vote against Blair on the war then there are more effective ways of doing that surely than some minority crank.

luka
24-03-2005, 11:43 AM
well no, not really. oona king is likely to lose to galloway but it's going to be very close.

bat020
24-03-2005, 11:49 AM
I don't know the details of Bethnal Green constituency politics...

Well here are the details: Respect came top of the poll in Tower Hamlets at the 10 June 2004 elections. It has contested two council byelections since then, winning one and beating Labour in the other. It certainly isn't a "minority" party in Bethnal Green. The election here will be a contest between Galloway and King.

Rambler
24-03-2005, 12:20 PM
Fair does then - Galloway's your man.

craner
24-03-2005, 03:17 PM
So basically you want to register a protest vote against Iraq by voting in a party set up simply to provide a protest vote on Iraq by - as Pearsall rightly notes - SWP and Muslim Brotherhood in a Constituency with pretty dire, by UK standards, housing, crime, and drug problems.

Oona King made a cogent and cautious speach during the Iraq vote in support of the war, but more importantly in support of the UN doing its job, to the end of dismantling the Hussein regime and the Hawks around Bush. It was an excellent speach - moderate and detailed. Nevertheless, she voted on principle: you assume she didn't because you want to assume she didn't.

Her position on the Middle East is more honourable than Galloway's - want proof? Read her articles on Israel.

One reason I have a lot of respect for her is the energy she put into setting up the House of Commons All Party Parliamentary Group on Rwanda and Genocide, the success of which means that, among other things, Britain is the largest bilateral donor to Rwanda in the world.

So, there's one.

She got the Government to agree to a large cash injection to improve housing in Tower Hamlets (one advantage in being a "Blair Babe" I guess, you misinformed, patronising bunch of fools). There was the £1.5 million she got to end families using B&Bs. Increased budgets for schools.

Meanwhile, you seem happy to wake up in a Bow and Bethnal Green controlled by George Galloway and his sinister buddies, who don't care about Tower Hamlets except as a means to an end, in effect, a stool on which to stand and shout.

I mean, have you thought this through at all?

bat020
24-03-2005, 03:39 PM
Voted on principle? Hahahaha! And you have the nerve to accuse others of "credulity".

craner
24-03-2005, 07:56 PM
Well, you know, I read her speach.

mms
24-03-2005, 09:25 PM
Well, you know, I read her speach.

i can't trust a man that spells speech speach ;)

Wrong
24-03-2005, 10:41 PM
Well, you know, I read her speach.

Presumably you mean this speech (http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debate/?id=2003-02-26.352.2). She does look like she's voting on principle there, rather than as a New Labour loyalist. OTOH, the fact that she's never voted against the government on a foreign policy matter suggests the opposite (http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=Oona_King&mpc=Bethnal+Green+%26amp%3B+Bow).

And she voted in favour of giving the Home Secretary the power to put people under house arrest without trial, with no 'Sunset Clause' on the powers, and should be voted against for that reason alone.

luka
25-03-2005, 09:53 AM
you're not wrong wrong.

luka
25-03-2005, 10:59 AM
that speech reads like a sop to her muslim constituents. hey guys, you know, i'm voting for the war, but i don't hate muslims, in fact, some of my best friends are muslims, guys? please beleive me...

HMGovt
25-03-2005, 12:55 PM
that speech reads like a sop to her muslim constituents. hey guys, you know, i'm voting for the war, but i don't hate muslims, in fact, some of my best friends are muslims, guys? please beleive me...

Not nearly as bogus as George Galloway greeting all and sundry with "Salaam U Alaikum", like he got it going on.

luka
25-03-2005, 01:45 PM
i fully acknowledge the twattishness of george galloway. i'm still going to vote for him.

craner
25-03-2005, 10:56 PM
i can't trust a man that spells speech speach

That is bad. Apologies.

craner
25-03-2005, 10:59 PM
As for those of you voting for Galloway, I think you're insane.

I've seen the figures too, and it looks like it may happen.

mms
25-03-2005, 11:16 PM
i can't trust a man that spells speech speach

That is bad. Apologies.

oh relax i'm joking. :)

craner
26-03-2005, 12:00 PM
I know I know but I get embarrased - I'm an English Master and I can't spell.

luka
26-03-2005, 12:10 PM
needless to say, winding oliver craner up is one of the very best reasons to vote RESPEK.

Backjob
28-03-2005, 10:21 AM
Shouldn't that be "maven" in this context?

Pearsall
29-03-2005, 02:10 AM
more meat for the argument:

http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=590

craner
29-03-2005, 11:33 AM
More meat? That's pretty much a slam dunk.

Your protest = four years of reactionary hell for Tower Hamlets.

luka
29-03-2005, 12:17 PM
yeah but oliver you loon, oona king voted for a facist state. yup, she said, bring on the facist legislation. and while you're at it, lets have another war. she's an amoral careerist wretch and the sooner she's gone the better. besides which, it'll mean a smaller majority for blair which even you admit is a good thing.

henrymiller
29-03-2005, 02:53 PM
when even johann hari can get slam-dunks on a guy you know something must be up...

john eden
29-03-2005, 03:03 PM
A pox on all their (no doubt, very large) houses.

I think Luka should run himself.

bassnation
29-03-2005, 03:13 PM
As for those of you voting for Galloway, I think you're insane.

I've seen the figures too, and it looks like it may happen.

its amazing that people will swallow their distaste for galloway to vote against labour. galloway is by no means idolised by everyone on the left, btw - but it gives you an idea of just how angry people are about iraq.

maybe career politicians like oona will think more carefully next time if it looks like they may get ejected for supporting the kind of lies, evasions and myopic misadventures that has come to characterise the government.

Backjob
30-03-2005, 04:03 AM
Jesus to use the word "myopic" in a post which implies that Blair is relatively bad as far as politicians go is pretty amusing. I mean compared to Chirac, Bush, Clinton, Major or Thatcher the guy is a fucking saint (not to even mention Mandelson, Blunkett, Howard or Letwin). Obviously he's an arsehole - he's a politician. But as arseholes go, he at least keeps the rim clean and doesn't drop too many sloppy turds on our faces.

I find it hilarious that people claim to be "disappointed" by Labour since '97 - I mean what the fuck did you expect? Sudden transformation of Britain into an anarchist utopia and free drugs for all? All we can ever hope for is relatively principled pandering to the moronic electorate as opposed to actively taking the piss.

The only thing that makes sense is to vote for a minority party like the Greens in order to bolster the protest vote and raise awareness of an issue.

bassnation
30-03-2005, 11:50 AM
Jesus to use the word "myopic" in a post which implies that Blair is relatively bad as far as politicians go is pretty amusing. I mean compared to Chirac, Bush, Clinton, Major or Thatcher the guy is a fucking saint (not to even mention Mandelson, Blunkett, Howard or Letwin). Obviously he's an arsehole - he's a politician. But as arseholes go, he at least keeps the rim clean and doesn't drop too many sloppy turds on our faces.


i'm not sure how exactly you define not dropping "too many sloppy turds on our faces" but theres a lot of people dead because of that man, we've been lied to and our civil liberties have become even more eroded than they were under the tories for christs sake. i don't know how you feel, but i certainly don't feel sanguine about it.


I find it hilarious that people claim to be "disappointed" by Labour since '97 - I mean what the fuck did you expect? Sudden transformation of Britain into an anarchist utopia and free drugs for all? All we can ever hope for is relatively principled pandering to the moronic electorate as opposed to actively taking the piss.

a lot of people expected more from a party that was instrumental in setting up the welfare state, a party with its roots in working class struggle - i'll make no bones about it, this is something i placed a lot of importance on earlier in my life.

a lot of people are so disillusioned that they've given up on politicians completely, which brings me to your other point on a "moronic electorate" - personally i think the apathy comes from above not below. who is there these days to represent the working class? or even the underclass, a group dissensus likes to patronise at regular intervals.

calling ordinairy people moronic just because they no longer engage with an uttterly corrupt system is just the kind of attitude and level of discourse i'm beginning to expect from this forum.


The only thing that makes sense is to vote for a minority party like the Greens in order to bolster the protest vote and raise awareness of an issue.

thats as much use as a chocolate teapot - for all the scorn you pour on to an apathetic and "moronic" electorate, they are using their vote in an as useful way by discarding it as you are by voting green.

and you accuse me of living in a dream world by expecting more from labour!

imo, the only use of our extremely limited democratic system is to give the current incumbents a boot up the arse every so often as well as voting tactically in areas where it looks like the bnp might get in. beyond that its useless and we should organise to change the system long term but you already knew that didn't you?

k-punk
01-04-2005, 10:17 PM
Jesus to use the word "myopic" in a post which implies that Blair is relatively bad as far as politicians go is pretty amusing. I mean compared to Chirac, Bush, Clinton, Major or Thatcher the guy is a fucking saint (not to even mention Mandelson, Blunkett, Howard or Letwin).

Uh, don't think so... Blair is much, much worse than Thatcher. Blair has done nothing to dismantle anything bad that Thatcher did but a great deal to continue everything bad she started. Thatcher attacked vested interests; Blair produces them. Class mobility has DECLINED under that Islington smugonaut.

To be a little parochial for a moment, the damage Blair has done to education is vast. He has continued Thatcher's politicization of education, increased bureaucracy and reduced quality while 'widening access' (yes, to a vastly worse, increasingly ragged service). Even over the last four years, things have declined by massive increments. Go into a school or college and you'll see teachers dragged down by the weight of bullet-pointed managerialist 'initiatives'. All of the institution's energy goes into meeting Blair's Stalinist quotas: it's now almost part of a teacher's job description that their basic function is to produce statistics that will ensure the govt is re-elected....

As for Blair AS OPPOSED to Bush... how does that work?

Yeh, he's better than Clinton, but who few could be worse than that smarmy lying sleaze...

Course all of this is a distraction from the real issues, which are structural, not personal.

But then kapitalist parliamentarianism is a distraction from those issues, so...

jenks
02-04-2005, 04:08 PM
To be a little parochial for a moment, the damage Blair has done to education is vast. He has continued Thatcher's politicization of education, increased bureaucracy and reduced quality while 'widening access' (yes, to a vastly worse, increasingly ragged service). Even over the last four years, things have declined by massive increments. Go into a school or college and you'll see teachers dragged down by the weight of bullet-pointed managerialist 'initiatives'. All of the institution's energy goes into meeting Blair's Stalinist quotas: it's now almost part of a teacher's job description that their basic function is to produce statistics that will ensure the govt is re-elected....

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too fucking true kpunk - sat through an hour long meeting on tuesday to be told we're all facing a pay cut cos the govt's workload 'agreement' has bee so successful!!! bit of a shock to us as we wallow along in misery.
if anybody thinks the punkster is exagerrating about the statistics issue i point you to last year's english sats fiasco - just trawl the TES archive for the full story

luka
03-04-2005, 12:34 AM
the punchline is, i'm not even registered to vote in bethnal green!

bo!ne
03-04-2005, 04:08 AM
there's a number of things I disagree with Galloway on but there's far more I agree with him about. Was I the only one cheering at the telly (along with half the studio audience) during his demolition of Margaret Hodge et al on Question Time t'other night?

The wider point not really picked up yet by this thread (tho touched on by bassnation) is whether (a) people broadly of the Left, who e.g. are anti-privatisation, anti-war, pro-wealth redistribution, social justice etc are represented in any meaningful way by the three mainstream political brands. if the answer to this is No, then (b) is there some value in forming a political current which brings this huge disenfranchised constituency together to more effectively and collectively struggle for a world more in keeping with our values, via both elections AND via marches, protests, strikes and so on?

erroneously dismissing anyone who wishes to do so as minority cranks, or grotesquely charicaturing such a project as having to align oneself with (shock horror) "the SWP" and "Muslim Brotherhood" is to be lazy, ignoble and a friend of Bush and Blair.

as for quoting the cretinous Johann Hari (another brave supporter of the great war of Iraqi liberation) with his 57th-hand recycling of the old "Lenin led to Stalin" shtick to support your argument, well...

Vote Respect! Or if they aint standing in your area, get involved in stopping the BNP nazis getting anything out of this General Election. (www.uaf.org.uk (http://www.uaf.org.uk))

worrior
18-04-2005, 01:52 PM
This Nick Cohen article from yesterday also provides a good slum-dunk of Galloway
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1461621,00.html

Although you live in Singapore, Backjob, will you be voting in the UK?

HMGovt
20-04-2005, 11:34 AM
Hate mob attacks Galloway


The bitter election battle in the East End has spilled into violence, with extremist Muslims and anti-war protesters targeting George Galloway and Oona King.

Anti-war campaigner Mr Galloway was forced to take refuge from Islamic militants who denounced him as a "false prophet".

The former Labour MP said "the police saved my life" after supporters of radical group Hizb-Ut-Tahrir clashed with members of his Respect party last night.

Labour's Ms King had her car tyres slashed and the vehicle was pelted with eggs by a gang of youths angry at her support for the Iraq war. Both incidents triggered fears for the safety of Mr Galloway and Ms King as they prepared for a stormy hustings meeting in Bethnal Green and Bow tonight.

Labour's 10,000 majority in the seat is under serious threat from Respect and the contest has been marked by some of the most vitriolic campaigning in the general election.

Mr Galloway was electioneering on the Osier council estate in Bethnal Green last night when a gang of 30 Muslim fundamentalists, who claim voting is un-Islamic, surrounded him and his supporters.

The men said they were angry at Mr Galloway's attempt to woo Muslim voters. They said they were "setting up the gallows" for him and warned any Muslim who voted for his anti-war Respect party that they faced a "sentence of death".

After a fight broke out between the two groups, police were called and Mr Galloway was forced to hide in his car in an alley until the violence calmed down. Two men were later arrested.

One resident said: "I heard shouting and looked out into the street to see a large group of Asian men. Many of them were fighting.

"There were punches and kicks thrown, then a large number of police arrived and broke up the riot."

Speaking to the Standard minutes after the attack, Mr Galloway said it was clear the men were worried that he could become MP for an area with a large Muslim population.

"I was meeting people who live in the flats. Hizb-ut-Tahrir suddenly filled the room and blocked the door. I tried speaking calmly. They then said I was parading as a false prophet and served a sentence of death on me. They were claiming I was representing myself as a false deity and for this apostasy I would be sentenced to the gallows," he said.

"They said they were setting up the gallows for me. Thank God my daughter was not with me. She was in the car outside. Otherwise there would have been nobody to call the police. The police saved my life." The former MP is challenging Labour's Oona King in the seat on 5 May, but Hizb-ut-Tahrir has declared that it will fight his bid.

Mr Galloway, who is due to share a platform with the leader of Hizb-ut-Tahrir on Saturday at a debate on Muslims and politics, said he was being targeted because he offered a democratic solution to Muslims. Hizb-ut-Tahrir is not illegal but it has been banned from university campuses for stirring trouble between Jewish and Muslim students. It supports Palestinian suicide bombers.

Last night's incident came hours after another group of Muslim men disrupted a general election media meeting of the Muslim Council of Britain. A group thought to be followers of cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed attacked the Council, claiming no one should vote in the election.

Ms King came under attack from Respect supporters at the weekend, it emerged today. One Labour activist, Mohamed Chowdhury, said: "We left the area to chants of "Oona get out' and 'get out of our estate' and were attacked with eggs again. However, when we returned to the car in Toynbee Street we found it covered in eggs. As we got in the car, more eggs were thrown".

Police are investigating. Witnesses claim the youths wore Respect badges, but there is no suggestion that Mr Galloway knew about or condoned the violence.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/18034715?source=Evening%20Standard&ct=5


Seeing Galloway swing would be hilarious. So, I'm hoping he wins and has to risk life and limb at MPs surgeries for the next four or five years.

HMGovt
20-04-2005, 11:45 AM
Heard on BBC news the other day

Heckler: Why are you a friend of Saddam Hussein?
GG: I'm not a friend of Saddam Hussein
Heckler: But you shook hands with him.
GG: I'm shaking hands with you now, but you're not my friend.

Can't beat logic like that.

craner
20-04-2005, 12:12 PM
Even AA Gill's been funny:

GG: "We're the ghost of Labour."
AAG: "What, you mean you're dead?"

Hustings tonight, 7.30pm. People's Palace, Queen Mary & Westfield Campus.

I'll be there, in Oona's camp.

luka
21-04-2005, 11:33 AM
the 'extremist muslims' attacking galloway were oliver craner and his cronies dressed in fake beards.
retract the fatwa craner, this has gone too far.

bat020
06-05-2005, 12:06 PM
Bethnal Green & Bow

Respect........................George Galloway......15801..........35.9%
Labour..............................Oona King............14978..........34.0%
Conservative.................Shahagir Faruk.........6244...........14.2%
Liberal Democrat..............Syed Dulu..............4928...........11.2%
Green..............................John Foster.............1950............4.4%
Alliance for Change..........Ejiro Etefia................68..............0.2%
Independent....................Celia Pugh................38..............0.1%

Omaar
06-05-2005, 11:48 PM
George Galloway and Jeremy Paxman -

JP: We're joined now from his count in Bethnal Green and Bow by George Galloway. Mr Galloway, are you proud of having got rid of one of the very few black women in Parliament?
GG: What a preposterous question. I know it's very late in the night, but wouldn't you be better starting by congratulating me for one of the most sensational election results in modern history?
JP: Are you proud of having got rid of one of the very few black women in Parliament?
GG: I'm not - Jeremy - move on to your next question.
JP: You're not answering that one?
GG: No because I don't believe that people get elected because of the colour of their skin. I believe people get elected because of their record and because of their policies. So move on to your next question.
JP: Are you proud -
GG: Because I've got a lot of people who want to speak to me.
JP: - You -
GG: If you ask that question again, I'm going, I warn you now.
JP: Don't try and threaten me Mr Galloway, please.

etc...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/blog/4519553.stm

baboon2004
07-05-2005, 03:46 AM
JP: I put it to you Mr Galloway that Nick Raynsford had you to a T when he said you were a "demagogue".
GG: Sorry?
JP: Nick Raynsford. You know who I mean? Nick Raynsford. Labour MP?
GG: No, I don't know who you mean.
JP: Never heard of him.
GG: I've never heard of Nick Raynsford, no.
JP: What else haven't you heard of?

Genius.

gabriel
09-05-2005, 04:27 PM
JP: I put it to you Mr Galloway that Nick Raynsford had you to a T when he said you were a "demagogue".
GG: Sorry?
JP: Nick Raynsford. You know who I mean? Nick Raynsford. Labour MP?
GG: No, I don't know who you mean.
JP: Never heard of him.
GG: I've never heard of Nick Raynsford, no.
JP: What else haven't you heard of?

Genius.

genius? who?

funny how much the transcript read like a drunken/stoned conversation. must have been really late...

craner
10-05-2005, 09:38 PM
An utter fucking fool gloated at me, "we've liberated Brick Lane!"

Oona was like, "I guess I look forward to seeing Galloway's face when I hand over 20,000 case files on Monday morning."

I was like, damn.

bassnation
11-05-2005, 12:32 PM
An utter fucking fool gloated at me, "we've liberated Brick Lane!"

Oona was like, "I guess I look forward to seeing Galloway's face when I hand over 20,000 case files on Monday morning."

I was like, damn.

i feel sorry for the bethnal green constituents - thats two pathetically self-serving career politicains they've had in a row now. a pox on both their houses.

just out of interest, do you always refer to people who disagree with you (of which there must be many) as utter fucking fools, or was it just the heat of the moment with all this electoral excitement?

craner
11-05-2005, 02:49 PM
Well no, I have a large arsenal of insults. It was specific to the person in hand, i.e. he warranted nothing more than low-grade stock terms. Good question, though.

bassnation
11-05-2005, 03:52 PM
Well no, I have a large arsenal of insults. It was specific to the person in hand, i.e. he warranted nothing more than low-grade stock terms. Good question, though.

well yeah, and to your credit (and everyone else here) - these debates are extroadinarily polite and well mannered, much more so than other forums i've been involved with, so maybe i was out of order picking up on one little thing. :)

craner
12-05-2005, 03:30 AM
And is communalism a healthy way to conduct politics?

The funny thing is:

People like Paxman accuse Galloway of running a campaign based on stirring up racial prejudice, a la, in an obscure but potent way, " how do you feel about unseating one of only two black female MPs?" (a prosterous question, I grant you)

and it makes it easy for him to sidestep the real issue:

which is that he did run a racially-divisive campaign, not based on Oona's ethnicity, but by exploiting and encouraging the Bengali opposition to the war and, more so, reform in the Middle East and Islam. This reform is not racist at all: it's fundamental. Ask the moderates. (I have.) (Which also made the hardcore Islamist backlash so ironic and delicious, although I felt a twinge of solidarity for Galloway, for once we shared the same enemies, sort of. Except: Catholic and Islamist: how many degrees distant , really?)

All the major parties address communities as a whole. Even the Tories do.

That's the difference. It's a distance.

(Also, it reminds me of the Bolton furor: all this bluster about his outragous statements obscures the important questions his nomination raises. i.e. what's he actually saying? what's his point? (well he wants to keep 28 stories of the UN building...that's something) ...i.e. this debate is a good opportunity to work out how and why the UN fails so spectacularly

jenks
12-05-2005, 01:32 PM
someone help me out here - galloway and the oil thing, new or just a rehash of previous allegations? a smear or yet more proof of his rascal ways? someone so obviously oleaginous yet i can't help but feel this may have the prints of tony all over it, revenge for the downfall of oona?

Rambler
12-05-2005, 01:41 PM
Can't believe that Blair has that kind of influence over US Senate committees...

This covers a lot of the same ground as the Telegraph allegations, but it relies on different sources. The Telegraph, incidentally, have been given leave to appeal the decision against them.

Also, on the 'is it revenge for Oona' tip, it's worth remembering that Galloway is only one of many people around the world mentioned in the report.

Update: Reading the papers this morning, I got the impression that there were new documents used in this case; however, interviews just now on Radio 4 suggest that there's not a great deal of new information here - a lot of this stuff was already public domain. So, who knows. The UN's own investigation might be the one to wait for.

craner
13-05-2005, 01:52 PM
Except that some UN officials have had similar accusations flung at them, including Kofi Annan's son.

Rambler
13-05-2005, 04:13 PM
Ah, I hadn't realised that Oliver - I'd only heard about Galloway, the French (ex?) Interior Minister and unnamed 'others'.

craner
16-05-2005, 09:30 PM
The Senate investigation report:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/11_05_05_psi_report.pdf

Claudia Rosett on the growing oil-for-food list:

http://www.nationalreview.com/rosett/rosett200505121840.asp

michael
26-05-2005, 12:55 AM
Galloway laying the smack down on those US Senators was all over the TV news here in Australia, and friends in NZ tell me it made it there as well.

Knowing nothing about the man, I thought his passionate assault was pretty exciting. It's floating around the web in various forms.

owen
26-05-2005, 04:08 AM
yeah, that was pretty awesome. very unusual for someone to publicly mention the foreign dead people

i'm so torn on this though. on one hand it annoys the fuck out of me that the left in this country is being led by this ridiculous moustachioed stalinist- on the other, he has been on magnificent form, and (sorry oliver) i was very very pleased he won in bethnal green - yes i know he's an opportunist and so forth, with some dubious friends, and maybe its a cosmetic thing and i'm being shallow but still.

luka
26-05-2005, 11:28 AM
that senate performace will go down in history, best political moment ever! better than the berlin wall falling! better than madela being released! better than the the defeat of hitler!

Yoghurt Sothoth
26-05-2005, 07:50 PM
that senate performace will go down in history, best political moment ever! better than the berlin wall falling! better than madela being released! better than the the defeat of hitler!

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