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mms
23-03-2005, 07:41 PM
anyone dissapointed by jammer, i am, he used to go on about postive force and rasta and his first tune is all about going for the metal, probably cos he knows it will make the track popular.
he's not a great mc and the tune is a bit novelty to my ears altho i enjoy it in a sense, , its a turning point , a lever,
time to get beyond the gun man lyrics a bit.
what u think

captain easychord
23-03-2005, 08:43 PM
not really disapointed.

owen
23-03-2005, 09:17 PM
hmmm i've been thinking of buying this (haven't heard it yet) as i've rather missed jammer. its ridiculous to think that stuff as amazing as 'vice versa' and 'birds in da sky' is going into the dustbin of history (i made a grime c90 for a mate last week and it ended up full of 2002-3 jammer productions....though that could just be cos i'm a bit armchair) anyway 'novelty' is promising :p

gunman lyrics are obviously not a good thing, except perhaps when especially ridiculous (eg, 'AAARGH! LETHAL B'S GOT A GUN!') so that is a bit of a shame

mms
23-03-2005, 09:28 PM
hmm dogzilla has made some interesting tracks of late, one about being excessivley pilled up and one using a sample of night shift, which was covered by paul young, which isn't exactly concious, but aware kinda lovely and slightly upfully politicised.

nomos
23-03-2005, 10:09 PM
In general I'm really hoping for a shift in lyrical content. The material is very, very old. The exciting part is that it's being funnelled through new vernaculars, new vocal rhythms, etc., but the themes were played out over a decade ago. There's no (non-market-driven) reason why (exoticized) badman talk should necessarily be the default mode for MCs, even in a battle/clash. (You could invoke the Signifyin' tradition as an over-determining factor, but it would still be a stretch)

I'm wondering if the shift to vocal tracks and albums portends an expansion of lyrical creativity. (Obviously, people are doing it a bit, here and there. IE: I noticed D Double getting a bit 'conscious' on the mic at the Run the Road show) If not, I think it's going to run out of steam or, worse, calcify like mainstream US hip hop (which is an undeniable influence). I'm not dismissing anyone, but I do think it needs to push into new areas in a big way soon. Then again, I'm not necessarily the target audience. If gunfinger tracks are selling then they'll dominate the content.

minikomi
23-03-2005, 11:35 PM
agreed. although.. one of the most powerful bits of grime mcing... actually the first time the MCing <i>gripped</i> me rather than just being an impressive barrage of syllables which have something in common, was in that plasticman promo mix with the MCs where one guy (dont know who he is... sorry) suddenly starts talking about how last year he was lonely and started thinking about suicide... it was amazingly moving to hear him so vulnerable, but especially so with badbwoyizms being fired left and right on either side of the verse.

a happy balance (conscious/badbwoy) is the probably the most powerful.

Pearsall
24-03-2005, 12:30 AM
agreed. although.. one of the most powerful bits of grime mcing... actually the first time the MCing <i>gripped</i> me rather than just being an impressive barrage of syllables which have something in common, was in that plasticman promo mix with the MCs where one guy (dont know who he is... sorry) suddenly starts talking about how last year he was lonely and started thinking about suicide... it was amazingly moving to hear him so vulnerable, but especially so with badbwoyizms being fired left and right on either side of the verse.

a happy balance (conscious/badbwoy) is the probably the most powerful.

that was L-Man

Tactics
24-03-2005, 01:09 AM
i cant really stand jammer or the whole jah mek the world camp as either mc's or producers - all of the music sounds terrible - i dont actually think theres one jammer tune i really like.....


mc's are gonna have to switch up their lyrics cos lil' becky and lil' gemma's parents somewhere in england aren't really gonna let them buy mc so and so's records in asda with all the armshouse/gunman/sex lyrics around....

minikomi
24-03-2005, 03:32 AM
L man eh... thanks! has he got any rekkids out? I like his swaggery style as well.

Pearsall
24-03-2005, 03:45 AM
He's got a mixtape out. I reviewed it on Riddim.ca. I can put it on Yousendit if you want?

Keith P
24-03-2005, 05:41 AM
Jammer's productions are huge. He's a rave mc, that's it. It would be nice to see a balancing out of content and hype lyrics.

theo
24-03-2005, 05:52 AM
Jammer should never ever MC. End of story.

luka
24-03-2005, 09:03 AM
yeah but, jammer gets more rewinds Than you! NEEEEKKKLLLLEEEEEEE!

and tactics, look at 50 cents record sales and think over that argument again.

(not saying i love gunman lyrics, just that they're clearly no obstacle to huge sales)

captain easychord
24-03-2005, 05:21 PM
i cant really stand jammer or the whole jah mek the world camp as either mc's or producers - all of the music sounds terrible - i dont actually think theres one jammer tune i really like.....

really? they've put out some big tunes...

mms
24-03-2005, 07:14 PM
yeah but, jammer gets more rewinds Than you! NEEEEKKKLLLLEEEEEEE!

and tactics, look at 50 cents record sales and think over that argument again.

(not saying i love gunman lyrics, just that they're clearly no obstacle to huge sales)



yeah but 50 cent has backstory and stories.

jammer just has to go neckle hand on the meckle which was probably wicked when he ws stoned and it is sort of a good track but it's still shit.
his rapping is rubbish too.
i'm the merkle man is just funny.
i reckon wiley produced it cos he thought it was funny too
.
his producings are better.

Tactics
24-03-2005, 07:42 PM
when it come to garage the only ppl that I will really check for is Terrah Danjah and some of Aftershock and P-Jam. Wiley is interesting at times but thats it. The vast majority is jus noise to me.......

Tactics
24-03-2005, 07:43 PM
yeah but, jammer gets more rewinds Than you! NEEEEKKKLLLLEEEEEEE!

and tactics, look at 50 cents record sales and think over that argument again.

(not saying i love gunman lyrics, just that they're clearly no obstacle to huge sales)


america is a simliar but totally different story to put it succintly....

MolexRoots
24-03-2005, 08:57 PM
I rate Jammer as a producer only. His murcul man bit is a tiring. If it were just "I'm the murcul man, never gonna flex like Erkle(however you spell his name), man." then his rhyming might be considered a tad more professional. It's just neckle, seckle, keckle, beckle, whateveckle.

Destruction VIP was toiiiight. Grave Yard is a killer, been listening non-stop.

luka
25-03-2005, 08:59 AM
50 cent sells here too though

Plasticman
25-03-2005, 03:22 PM
Jammer is a big hype man on stage - kinda reminds me of the olden days of UKG MC'ing where the mc was there to compliment the tunes.

Now the tracks are more angry - so are the mc's. Although his content is not as deep as others he still brings a much needed vibe to many events.

captain easychord
25-03-2005, 10:06 PM
Jammer is a big hype man on stage - kinda reminds me of the olden days of UKG MC'ing where the mc was there to compliment the tunes.

Now the tracks are more angry - so are the mc's. Although his content is not as deep as others he still brings a much needed vibe to many events.

boom. it's true, i dunno what you jammer haters are on about. he was rated more highly than d double e + ears at the toronto show by grime newbies.... why? on account of his energy and total hypeness. can't really knock that.

luka
25-03-2005, 10:14 PM
weird isn't it. how can you hate jammer?

mms
25-03-2005, 10:18 PM
weird isn't it. how can you hate jammer?

personally i've never even said anything close to this, i said i was dissapointed in his approach to what he mc's about plus he's a brilliant producer.

Tactics
26-03-2005, 01:03 AM
boom. it's true, i dunno what you jammer haters are on about. he was rated more highly than d double e + ears at the toronto show by grime newbies.... why? on account of his energy and total hypeness. can't really knock that.

this is why the majority of garage/grime/NUKG is dumb to me.

Keith P
26-03-2005, 04:39 AM
Jammers big still. No hating here. I just don't see him as an artist when it comes to lyrics. I personally feel the way fwd for grime mc's is to raise the bar and become more than rave mc's, put out albums etc.
Thats what brings the most international attention to the music, gives it stability and credibility.

bruno
27-04-2005, 11:10 PM
2004 was probably a sh*t year for jammer. here's some insight into that:

[jammer freestyle on blooks presents mixtape]

been helping niggaz for years..
been doing my thing...

why do people wanna put me down?
why do niggaz wanna hold me back?
leave me alone please..
i'm in my crew-free zone now
no one can stop me,
you fuckers can't stop me..
x2

why do i do things for people?
out the goodness of my heart when what they're thinking is evil?
what should i do to these people?
should i let them move on
or should i try and get equal?
i feel to merk 'em like seagal
do it like ___ ___ and start murdering people
but let's keep it all legal
cos i know you pussy ass niggaz can't take the weight of the ___

jammer's angry, jammer's upset
some niggaz tried to disrespect
tarnished my name and harmed my rep
i don't know..
x2

why do i make music?
cos i love music i breathe music, sleep and i shit music
___ music, j to the eez music..
cos i make beats man in the studio
late hours. why? cos i'm on it.
and i wanna be successful, always dressed cool
make the best rule:
divided we fall, together we will stand tall

why? cos the world's so fucked...
and why are people corrupt?
and why's there so many hos?
and why do people work for dough?
and why is life so slow?
why? i don't know, i don't know, i don't know, i don't know...
(you gotta ask god that question..)

[ ___ is stuff i couldn't quite pick up]

-

outraygeous
27-04-2005, 11:49 PM
jammer is the best mc on stage rite now, his beats aint the best.
he has definetly got lazy. after listening to ARMY again today and some of his stuff now. you can see that hes making tracks that definetly need and mc 2 ride on.

you cannot knock jammer, his work rate is massive. tracks, dvds, performances. its all there..

theo
28-04-2005, 06:06 AM
jammer is the best mc on stage rite now

Hahahahahahahahahaha.
I am sorry mate, but he sounds like a castrated donkey on the mic.
End of story.

outraygeous
28-04-2005, 09:43 AM
this i dont dispute,

but the way he destroys raves... you cant knock it.
hes actually perfoming on stage not like alot of mcs who stand there on stage with there hood up expecting people to hear there lastest 'clever' punchline

standard
28-04-2005, 11:45 AM
You can never dispute the BIG part Jammer's played/playing in the scene but if wasn't a big boy producer would he make it as an mc? How can he be a true Rasta as he claims and then spit all the gunman talk and take his rhymes seriously. Definately agree with the thought that mc's need to step up a level in general but I think it's starting to happen-just look at the Rewind forum when someone posts a clip of a new crew-if all they are is badman talk more often than not they will get slewed as 'same old, boring now...'. People like Bruza bring something different and his fairly quick success shows this is what people are appreciating. I think there needs to be a certain balance for Mc's to be the biggest- look at DDouble-he has gunman lyrics but he can follow a verse of

'Hold it down u dont wanna be kissin,
tip of da gun cuz its got a full clip in,
tip of da gun cuz da safety's missin
I bet that'll have your pants full up of shittin'

By talking about the birth of his baby daughter and the responsibility it brings.

originaldrum
28-04-2005, 02:26 PM
2004 was probably a sh*t year for jammer. here's some insight into that:

[jammer freestyle on blooks presents mixtape]

been helping niggaz for years..
been doing my thing...

why do people wanna put me down?
why do niggaz wanna hold me back?
leave me alone please..
i'm in my crew-free zone now
no one can stop me,
you fuckers can't stop me..
x2

why do i do things for people?
out the goodness of my heart when what they're thinking is evil?
what should i do to these people?
should i let them move on
or should i try and get equal?
i feel to merk 'em like seagal
do it like ___ ___ and start murdering people
but let's keep it all legal
cos i know you pussy ass niggaz can't take the weight of the ___

jammer's angry, jammer's upset
some niggaz tried to disrespect
tarnished my name and harmed my rep
i don't know..
x2

why do i make music?
cos i love music i breathe music, sleep and i shit music
___ music, j to the eez music..
cos i make beats man in the studio
late hours. why? cos i'm on it.
and i wanna be successful, always dressed cool
make the best rule:
divided we fall, together we will stand tall

why? cos the world's so fucked...
and why are people corrupt?
and why's there so many hos?
and why do people work for dough?
and why is life so slow?
why? i don't know, i don't know, i don't know, i don't know...
(you gotta ask god that question..)

[ ___ is stuff i couldn't quite pick up]

-


cheers for your input man - jammer is big - he'll be around longer than your trim's etc

mms
28-04-2005, 08:34 PM
cheers for your input man - jammer is big - he'll be around longer than your trim's etc

because of his production i think , he is totally likable tho