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zhao
07-09-2010, 09:31 AM
here is how to succeed in today's dance music industry.

take good indigenous music such as Cumbia, Baile Funk, South African House, Hiphop, UK Funky, or anything else, and:

1. remove any trace of soul
2. take out all the organic groove
3. make mechanical funk-less machine beats roughly in the pattern of original
4. add shitty digital distortion
5. add plenty of stomach churning bass
6. send to Discobelle or Mad Decent
7. enjoy new jet setting lifestyle

rubberdingyrapids
07-09-2010, 09:40 AM
gonna get fruity loops and get to work.

ether
07-09-2010, 11:07 AM
remember to garnish with:

1. lumberjack shirts/straight peek hats.
2. east london.
3. dayglo colours.
4. gushing style mag praise.

Blackdown
07-09-2010, 12:08 PM
name names or STFU :cool: :p

cobretti
07-09-2010, 12:30 PM
name names or STFU :cool: :p

Anyone on Fools Gold records? And all those twats like Fake Blood, Jack Beats etc too, in fact most former turntablists are guilty of this shit.

Zhao, just out of curiousity, why do you spend time on Low Bee if this type of thing annoys you? I just had a gander there and found the most unnecessary remix of all time:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuBlmPMGN6A

Why these plebs feel the need to make an absolute drivel ridden mix of one of the best club rap tracks of the last few years is beyond me. The track already works in a club you twats!

zhao
07-09-2010, 12:40 PM
Zhao, just out of curiousity, why do you spend time on Low Bee if this type of thing annoys you?

for a laugh mostly. and to stir shit up, which is kinda fun sometimes.

zhao
07-09-2010, 12:43 PM
name names or STFU :cool: :p

nah... i don't wanna offend anyone directly.

and there are some exceptions of blog-music which is (not mad) decent.

i mean i'm not opposed to the pallette itself, good things can be done with shitty digital distortion. just it's become so formulaic.

however most of it is rubbish. blog-reggae like major laser for instance...

simon silverdollar
07-09-2010, 02:50 PM
oh god that Shutterbug remix is horrible

outraygeous
07-09-2010, 04:48 PM
this is quality.

I am so confused as to why some music is so big right now

Most of it is pony

Webstarr
07-09-2010, 05:01 PM
Anyone on Fools Gold records? And all those twats like Fake Blood, Jack Beats etc too, in fact most former turntablists are guilty of this shit.



Scratch Perverts...

zhao
07-09-2010, 06:02 PM
are former turntablists doing bloggy shit these days??? this is news to me.

personally, i blame justice. frat electro bollocks.

and then came the blog-cumbia (ZZK) and blog-reggae (major laser), and too much blog-funky to mention (night-slugs might fit in this category but i like a lot of their stuff)

oh shit i just remembered someone said the other night that THERE IS A DOC. FILM ON BLOG-HOUSE?!?!?!

wascal
07-09-2010, 06:26 PM
are former turntablists doing bloggy shit these days??? this is news to me.


Jack Beats = Plus One (Scratch Perverts) + Beni G (Mixologists)

Fake Blood = DJ Touche who used to be on Wall of Sound

A-Trak = Doing bloghouse w DJ Medhi

Hmm, 12hrs a day practising scratching to impress aging men in big trousers or 1 hour a week knocking up obnoxious rave tunes to play at girl filled, fun, lively dances? What a choice ;)

Webstarr
07-09-2010, 06:57 PM
Jack Beats = Plus One (Scratch Perverts) + Beni G (Mixologists)

Fake Blood = DJ Touche who used to be on Wall of Sound

Hmm, 12hrs a day practising scratching to impress aging men in big trousers or 1 hour a week knocking up obnoxious rave tunes to play at girl filled, fun, lively dances? What a choice ;)

didn't know plus one was part of Jack Beats, I just remember seeing an awful set by Scratch Perverts a year ago.

Alfons
07-09-2010, 07:26 PM
So Zhao are your "mash-ups" (world type music vs. electronic music) intrinsically different from these culture vultures or is it a question of methodology and respect (i.e. the stuff on http://soundcloud.com/djzhao)? Realize its far from the populist blog sound but it builds on similar principles no? Genuine question, and the elephant in the room in this thread imo.

zhao
07-09-2010, 08:07 PM
So Zhao are your "mash-ups" (world type music vs. electronic music) intrinsically different from these culture vultures or is it a question of methodology and respect (i.e. the stuff on http://soundcloud.com/djzhao)? Realize its far from the populist blog sound but it builds on similar principles no? Genuine question, and the elephant in the room in this thread imo.

to me it is a matter of methodology and respect, and what the end product sounds like. but this is subjective to a degree. what do YOU think? :)

4linehaiku
08-09-2010, 09:46 AM
Jack Beats = Plus One (Scratch Perverts) + Beni G (Mixologists)

Fake Blood = DJ Touche who used to be on Wall of Sound

A-Trak = Doing bloghouse w DJ Medhi

Hmm, 12hrs a day practising scratching to impress aging men in big trousers or 1 hour a week knocking up obnoxious rave tunes to play at girl filled, fun, lively dances? What a choice ;)

Hud Mo too, though maybe not quite "obnoxious rave tunes". Definitely more girls, fun and lively-ness.

Last I checked Craze was playing Miami Bass.

I'm sure the list goes on.

bun-u
08-09-2010, 01:44 PM
this is all true zhao, you nail the trend well...but these unimaginative half-understanding plebs would not be in a position to abuse this music, if the (lets say) more thoughtful, respectful and dutiful cultural travellers (that's you!) had not brought it to their attention first.

hint
08-09-2010, 01:47 PM
Yeah - Zhao is a big influence on Diplo for sure.

zhao
09-09-2010, 12:25 PM
yeah ok smartasses :p i'm just a broke ass dj who plays the best shit he knows... and mixing it up some.


name names or STFU :cool: :p

afrojack. and a lot of those dutch guys. (actually i have wondered what funky heads thinks about that stuff)

someone told me dude gets 5000 euros everytime he plays, in his home town. so he's not a jet setter by choice...

edit: this sound is all trendy signifiers, no substance. i liked it for half a minute before realizing that it's total fucking bollocks. they use one little hooky sound to build 8 minutes of pointless arpeggios and predictable breakdowns around.

compared to so much rubbish, i think nightslugs are people who for the most part do it right, and bring another level to the sound which is pretty damn cool actually.

luka
09-09-2010, 12:41 PM
he pretty much did name names. evreyone associated with discobelle and mad decent. i think thats fair.

john eden
09-09-2010, 01:00 PM
here is how to succeed in today's dance music industry.

take good indigenous music such as Cumbia, Baile Funk, South African House, or anything else, and:

1. remove any trace of soul
2. take out all the organic groove
3. make mechanical funk-less machine beats roughly in the pattern of original
4. add shitty digital distortion
5. add plenty of stomach churning bass
6. send to Discobelle or Mad Decent
7. enjoy new jet setting lifestyle

Success in music business not dependent on talent, shock horror.

zhao
09-09-2010, 04:36 PM
he pretty much did name names. evreyone associated with discobelle and mad decent. i think thats fair.

i actually wrote those 2 names without thinking very much... i don't even follow those blogs at all, just seems like they champion a lot of this kind of stuff. i could actaully be wrong, or there may be blogs that fit the bill much better...

Fundamental
09-09-2010, 05:18 PM
here is how to succeed in today's dance music industry.

take good indigenous music such as Cumbia, Baile Funk, South African House, or anything else, and:

1. remove any trace of soul
2. take out all the organic groove
3. make mechanical funk-less machine beats roughly in the pattern of original
4. add shitty digital distortion
5. add plenty of stomach churning bass
6. send to Discobelle or Mad Decent
7. enjoy new jet setting lifestyle

This.

Thank god for acts like VVV/Cosmin TRG/Scuba/SBTRKT/J-Orb offering us an antithesis to it...

Fundamental
09-09-2010, 05:20 PM
Also...

8. do shitty zeitgeist remix of indie/chillwave/pitchfork tipped indie act.>>>

PROFIT?????

luka
10-09-2010, 06:18 AM
i actually wrote those 2 names without thinking very much... i don't even follow those blogs at all, just seems like they champion a lot of this kind of stuff. i could actaully be wrong, or there may be blogs that fit the bill much better...

dont talk wet! they exemplify this stuff and you know it. dont worry about making enemies. they're a bad joke, its good you came out and said it.

Elijah
10-09-2010, 10:18 AM
why does it bother u

zhao
10-09-2010, 10:48 AM
why does it bother u

sound shit. club no fun. bad for dance. make unhappy.

are these enough reasons for you Elijah.


dont talk wet! they exemplify this stuff and you know it. dont worry about making enemies. they're a bad joke, its good you came out and said it.

lol but really, for the record these blogs do represent some pretty cool things as well...

luka
10-09-2010, 10:52 AM
maybe but other people represent the same stuff better so so what?

outraygeous
10-09-2010, 12:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVmmYMwFj1I&feature=player_embedded

BLOGGIFICATION

zhao
10-09-2010, 01:07 PM
thanks for rounding up other aspects of the process nicely outraygeous.

slackk
10-09-2010, 01:13 PM
The satirical content in that video is about as cutting edge as fucking butter knife.

unknown soulja
10-09-2010, 01:14 PM
None of the Night Slugs releases draw on any of the 'indigenous' musics given as examples in the original model so i dont think this really applies to them at all tbh. Oviously a few draw heavily on R&B, juke etc influences, and south african house (I'm assuming you mean kwaito as opposed to Black Coffee etc) is a pretty heavy influence on a load of UK house atm so sort of applies but otherwise i dont think they fit. I know theyve already been acquitted by Zhao upthread but thought I'd chuck my two cents in.

Ah Slackk it may not be cutting edge but it's pretty on point; thought it was funny tbh, like the attention to detail in the video aswell.

slackk
10-09-2010, 01:27 PM
Dunno, I just think the "East London is full of wankers" motif is done to death really.

Eh but what do I care, I'm a scouser who lives in South. Maybe I should be joining in?

unknown soulja
10-09-2010, 01:31 PM
I didnt realise they had Scousers in South, thought it was just people in gangs (except for Clapham obviously where they also have people in rugby shirts) ;)

zhao
10-09-2010, 01:34 PM
None of the Night Slugs releases draw on any of the 'indigenous' musics given as examples in the original model so i dont think this really applies to them at all tbh. Oviously a few draw heavily on R&B, juke etc influences, and south african house (I'm assuming you mean kwaito as opposed to Black Coffee etc) is a pretty heavy influence on a load of UK house atm so sort of applies but otherwise i dont think they fit. I know theyve already been acquitted by Zhao upthread but thought I'd chuck my two cents in.

Ah Slackk it may not be cutting edge but it's pretty on point; thought it was funny tbh, like the attention to detail in the video aswell.

well UK funky is "indigenous" to a degree... in as much as it is grounded in a highly localized scene. and a lot of the "post funky" or "electro funky" or god forbid, "intelligent funky" is kind of bloggified funky...

like if some posh-boys did detroit bass with geeky polish, tricked out programing and muchly ravey bits it might be called blog-booty.

edit: by "indigenous" i didn't mean only "non-western". but just anything... "real" for lack of better. oh no am i slipping down the autheticity slope again.. damn!

but you know, it's like the relationship of "crunchy" intrumental electronic IDM-hiphop to hiphop

muser
10-09-2010, 01:34 PM
I think man recordings, bersa discos, buraka som sistema etc would be included in this (totally different from blog-house people like jack beats which are doing a different thing). Allthough I have enjoyed some of the stuff that have come from the above mentioned its generally short lived. Tbh I think alot of the time the only effect they are having is raising awareness about these styles of music so people might be interested into looking into the authentic stuff. The worst is when people end up saying they prefer/ are only really into these outside immitations (often with higher production values or with mashups with dancehall/hiphop etc), but I guess they probably wouldn't of heard of it anyway.

slackk
10-09-2010, 01:38 PM
Some very hypocritical pots in this thread actually.

zhao
10-09-2010, 01:45 PM
Allthough I have enjoyed some of the stuff that have come from the above mentioned its generally short lived.

exactly same here. and i do know, and i'm afraid many, people who prefer the bloggified versions.

but again, i really don't want to diss or dismiss everything that might fit these descriptions, as it is totally valid to re-do something from a different angle, and it's just part of the whole evolution process and moving things, er, forward (?) i guess.

unknown soulja
10-09-2010, 01:48 PM
well UK funky is "indigenous" to a degree... in as much as it is grounded in a highly localized scene. and a lot of the "post funky" or "electro funky" or god forbid, "intelligent funky" is kind of bloggified funky...

like if some posh-boys did detroit bass with geeky polish, tricked out programing and muchly ravey bits it might be called blog-booty.

Lolz at intelligent funky. So does the blog prefix just show that the people making it are removed from the origin of the 'indigenous' music? If so how far do they have to be removed before it becomes blog - xxxxx?

zhao
10-09-2010, 01:52 PM
Lolz at intelligent funky. So does the blog prefix just show that the people making it are removed from the origin of the 'indigenous' music? If so how far do they have to be removed before it becomes blog - xxxxx?

i'm afraid any kind of concrete parameters might be impossible, if not beside-the-point, to establish... so i think the best answer i have for you is that it's a bit like pornography: i can't define it but i know it when i hear it! :D

zhao
10-09-2010, 01:57 PM
a friend, who popped his head in this very thread, once said "posh-boys make turgid beats." that about sums it up really.

2 fingers is blog-grime.

zhao
10-09-2010, 02:04 PM
ok this might be the bloghouse documentary someone told me about, i ain't seen it yet:

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/07/07/a-new-documentary-examines-the-electro-scene-in-the-age-of-the-internet/

steve-0
10-09-2010, 04:45 PM
this place is like gorgon's spaceship ...

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Sick Boy
10-09-2010, 05:11 PM
These threads about "authentic" or "indigenous" music are starting to say less and less. I don't think this genre of remix weekenders has anything to do with authenticity per se; it really is just music made by dilletentes. A Mad Decent take on dancehall, for example, is going to sound alien and impassioned to fans of dancehall because it is just that - alien and impassionate to the genre of dancehall. On one hand, taking this approach to making music I think can overthrow genres that may have become formulaic and tired and breathe in a fresh air of life, while on the other hand it can come across as amateur, shallow, opportunistic or, at times, condescending*.

Ultimately it really just comes down to how good the music is. When you start talking about authenticity you run the risk of having a conversation that is far more about you and how you want to feel about yourself than it is about actual music.

* I understand that using the word "condescending" might seem like I'm veering into the kind of personal gripes that I am warning against. I don't mean here condescending in the way that the outside artist is rudely presuming to be on the same level as the "indigenous" ones (a condescension that it would be pretty obviously hypocritical to feel a victim of), but the condescension of the outside artist viewing a scene as a demographic which he might be able to make a quick buck off. This is really a moot point though because these artists rarely ever actually end up selling their tunes to the actual enthusiasts of the genre in question, but rather the mums, sisters, brothers and disinteresed peers of those people.

mms
10-09-2010, 09:42 PM
fallacy-fication

zhao
11-09-2010, 10:58 AM
These threads about "authentic" or "indigenous" music are starting to say less and less. I don't think this genre of remix weekenders has anything to do with authenticity per se; it really is just music made by dilletentes. A Mad Decent take on dancehall, for example, is going to sound alien and impassioned to fans of dancehall because it is just that - alien and impassionate to the genre of dancehall. On one hand, taking this approach to making music I think can overthrow genres that may have become formulaic and tired and breathe in a fresh air of life, while on the other hand it can come across as amateur, shallow, opportunistic or, at times, condescending*.

Ultimately it really just comes down to how good the music is. When you start talking about authenticity you run the risk of having a conversation that is far more about you and how you want to feel about yourself than it is about actual music.

well yes but certainly, without any trace of a doubt, this is, has been, and ALWAYS WILL BE the point.

just so happens 99% of the bloggy shit i'm talking about sounds truly, thoroughly horrendous with no redeeming qualities what so ever. funkless hammering and empty mimicry with nothing resembling groove anywhere in sight.

routes
11-09-2010, 11:57 AM
funkless hammering


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuqX_3n4dNE&feature=player_embedded

zhao
12-09-2010, 05:30 AM
lolwut.

Tim F
12-09-2010, 07:26 AM
Maybe we can replace notions of authenticity with, say, being culturally ensnared - what always defines this "I know it when I see it" stuff is the sense that it more easily skips between (takes on) genres than it sits within one.

With funky (which seems to get people more upset about the imagined use of notions of authenticity - perhaps of its geographical/social closeness when compared to, say, cumbia) I basically distinguish based on the split-second sense of "does this sound like the kind of thing I'd hear in a funky-only set, or the kind of thing I'd hear mixed up with juke and dubstep and etc?"

I actually like several of the housier Mad Decent releases but the Diplo/Lil Jon collab-o is pretty depressing, Lil Jon reduced to a comic reference to himself and Diplo reduced to... Grrr Dubstep I guess.

Afrojack is something different I think - dude is basically a post-trance DJ, and to the extent that he's bringing these sounds into that context he's doing it to the largest tribe there is - he's not "eclectic" in the sense we mean hear. Stuff like Afrojack and Sidney Samson ("Riverside") is quoting various forms of black dance music in a manner closer to 2 Unlimited or The Real McCoy than Diplo.

unknown soulja
12-09-2010, 12:29 PM
i'm afraid any kind of concrete parameters might be impossible, if not beside-the-point, to establish...

That was the point I was trying to make i spose.

Slothrop
12-09-2010, 12:40 PM
Maybe we can replace notions of authenticity with, say, being culturally ensnared - what always defines this "I know it when I see it" stuff is the sense that it more easily skips between (takes on) genres than it sits within one.
Is it partly about a sense of whether the genre specific memes are being used as tokens in the web of meaning that's produced by the genre and its culture or whether they're just being used as signifiers of the genre and its culture? The sense of 'wrongness' that comes from subtle miscontextualisation?

But on this sort of thing, I often come back to a Robert Wyatt comment about prog / Canterbury sound - to the effect that a lot of people think of that sound as being about posh kids sneering at stupid pop music and looking down their noses at it, but for him it was all about loving RnB / rock and roll / beat pop but also coming from a background of classical and avant-jazz and stuff which inevitably informs what you do as well - you just can't make a motown record if you're a grammar school kid from Canterbury, I think his phrase was that it'd be more disingeneous to "just pretend you've never heard Albert Ayler" than to produce a slightly weirder and more clever-clever take on pop.

So yeah, it's kind of interesting to pin down what the actual complaint is here. It always seems like an ongoing dissensus catch-22 that if middle class kids just listen to indie then it's because race / class fear scares them off listening to 'street' music, but if they listen to (or, *gasp*, produce) anything that's related to 'street' music then they're appropriating or gentrifying it...

It seems to me like the fundamental complaint is less the lack of respect and engagement (which afaict mostly just annoys western / middle class / inauthentic people who are doing the same thing but with slightly more respect and engagement - presumably the 'source' musicians couldn't care less) than about the generally boring and infertile music / scene that gets produced. And there's a link in here to big beat as a superficial / cut and paste magpie music that never really develops into something with its own ideas and gets stuck in 'sample-source-of-the-month' syndrome...

Tim F
12-09-2010, 07:37 PM
Yeah, that's an important thing to note - I don't have any objection to middle class gentrification and eclecticism vis a vis house / techno / disco etc and it would be inconsistent to object merely on these grounds.

And, you know, some of this stuff was really great! Gold Teeth Thief/Minesweeper Suite, Piracy Funds Terrorism etc.

It's just that it's been codified into a repetitive trudge of farty bass / danger sonix that is actually much more predictable than the source genres it claims to avant-ise.

Slothrop
12-09-2010, 08:00 PM
Come to that, a lot of the post dubstep avant funky future garage whatever stuff seems to be almost apologetic about nicking bits from juke, funky or whatever - an awareness that you're coopting someone else's good ideas and using them to enrich your stuff, not taking something rubbish and making it good by avantifying it - which was the spin that (some but not all) IDM people put on essentially the same thing with drill and bass and glitch hop...

zhao
06-10-2010, 06:05 AM
have to make an exception of Man Recordings too. some of this shit is straight dope, trendy sounds or no. i would rather play this than 128k files from Rio slums.

i like schlachtfhofbronx, i like beware and motorpitch, i like zombie disco.

denoir
06-10-2010, 07:20 PM
I don't mind ZZK to be honest, even some of their recent stuff is pretty interesting, vibeful and original..

the hipster/nu rave image is kinda confusing though :)

at least it sounds like proper music unlike those amateur bloghipstercumbia bootlegs posted on generation bass every week

zhao
07-10-2010, 08:06 AM
hey good to see you around here denoir! yeah some of ZZK is good for sure. just this one show i saw was so bad it kind of turned me off in a major way... which is unfair because it was only 1 act on the label. i should look at it again...

mms
08-10-2010, 10:42 AM
there are more good things about blog labels that have sprung up in the lat year or so than there are bad things, there will always be bad things so why not celebrate and support good things.
trilogy tapes / tri-angle records / drowned in sound / analog africa spring to mind right away.

alex
08-10-2010, 10:45 AM
yea, I've also dug out some really nice netlabels this year

zhao
08-10-2010, 12:27 PM
there are more good things about blog labels that have sprung up in the lat year or so than there are bad things, there will always be bad things so why not celebrate and support good things.
trilogy tapes / tri-angle records / drowned in sound / analog africa spring to mind right away.

no no i mean the "bloggy" SOUND. taken from the term "blog-house", which refers to Justice style electro-club soul-less nu-rave with shitty digital distortion (which has hardly anything to do with house)

i don't mean actual blogs.

mms
08-10-2010, 01:39 PM
no no i mean the "bloggy" SOUND. taken from the term "blog-house", which refers to Justice style electro-club soul-less nu-rave with shitty digital distortion (which has hardly anything to do with house)

i don't mean actual blogs.

what, bad music that comes out of blogs?

zhao
09-10-2010, 02:40 AM
what, bad music that comes out of blogs?

the term bloghouse i think originally meant the trendy electro-club music championed by lots of hipster blogs, i didn't coin it, and has now come to cover anything with that type of sound. Justice i think was one of the first blog-house bands.

DJ PIMP
11-10-2010, 01:21 AM
Can't think offhand of a producer who caught my party ear more than Switch during the 00s... consistently fresh, Massive Fucking Tunes. That way that guy puts sound together is simply phenomenal.

Corpsey
11-10-2010, 04:42 PM
Can't think offhand of a producer who caught my party ear more than Switch during the 00s... consistently fresh, Massive Fucking Tunes. That way that guy puts sound together is simply phenomenal.

recommendations?

mms
11-10-2010, 04:56 PM
recommendations?

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Ory
11-10-2010, 08:12 PM
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the above, solid groove remix of almighty father, and "this is sick" are the only ones i like tbh.

Alfons
11-10-2010, 11:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqBeK-ewrOI&feature=related

quite liked this one, butchering the apache is all good imo.

cobretti
12-10-2010, 12:11 PM
Most of Switch's productions just remind me of dodgy student club nights. In particular, the way that guitar-sounding sample pitches up and goes all wonky during the above Spank Rock remix really captures something that I hate about a lot of blog house/fidget/wonk shite, but I can't quite put my finger on it. It goes hand in hand with that weird high pitched synth used in Wearing My Rolex etc too.

hint
13-10-2010, 03:24 PM
This was good (although the Carol Williams original wins and the song is awesome anyway):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-lHjJ6kLy8

His remix of "Right Here's The Spot" by Basement Jaxx is a favourite of mine. Not on Youtube though.

He did a bunch of that pitchy choppy stuff at once - things like his Fatboy Slim remix. For the kids:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN7UzIkG-90


And, of course, this (the youtube clip is chopped from a mix at pitched up though):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXlCL5Cjx0s

shiels
13-10-2010, 08:01 PM
i was really into Switch around 04/05 too.. thisissick is.. well, sick. i got chatting to him once and he said he thought it was shite, his worst tune or something like that. It is cheap and half-arsed, slapped together sounding. He does that plasticy, scrap book almost comical "fidget" house sound brilliantly though. sicknagood is brilliant too, wee clip of it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2jVD9OkHKQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-lHjJ6kLy8

Sectionfive
16-10-2010, 03:33 PM
Music innovator :slanted:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaMUaxHO8GY

zhao
16-10-2010, 04:10 PM
that dude basically invented music.

DJ PIMP
17-10-2010, 11:29 PM
diplo definitely connects with his audience. may not be for everyone and for sure you could make a case for musical colonialism... but he has done a lot to break various scenes around the world. i think it's fair to call him an innovator.

the term bloghouse doesn't get a lot of love from me. you can use it as a catchall for the stuff thats fashionable in that arena - french touch, that kinda indie disco sound, post electro house electro house, the US party hip-hopesque tunes, random party stuff... but there's quite a broad range of music there.

basically i think it's yoof reclaiming the dancefloor after lingering trad 90sisms or 80s revivalism and having a good time with it. in one sense there's less focus on authenticity and more on creativity and cool reuse or misuse of pop culture... making stuff cool for the sake of it, having fun, being optimistic. it seems quite healthy and outward looking in a sense.

blogs and twitter are the best thing about the web at the moment imo... there's an incredible volume of creativity on display, being networked, shared. feels like a cultural explosion and very much reminds me of the genesis of an indie/undie genre of music where all the names and labels etc are flourishing and being discovered etc.

at the same time the web has really matured as a medium over the past couple of years. the next decade is going to be phenomenal...

zhao
18-10-2010, 07:59 AM
i wouldn't refute any of that. for sure just like everything there are (at least) 2 sides.

nothing wrong with kids having fun now is there? and if sometimes the result is boatloads of vapid trendy annoying bullshit, well i guess that's just part of the process.

and yeah some of switch's stuff is pretty nice.

DJ PIMP
19-10-2010, 12:48 AM
yep i'm with ya