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connect_icut
16-02-2011, 01:56 AM
Obviously, this is pretty hilarious.

http://whoisarcadefire.tumblr.com/

A Tumblr blog recording nonplussed reactions to the Arcade Fire's Grammy victory.

But I also feel that it has important sociological implications. I just don't know what they are.

Sick Boy
16-02-2011, 05:27 AM
I guess I can sort of understand why someone might not have heard of The Arcade Fire given who the other nominees in the category were (Gaga, Katy Perry, Eminem), but it's pretty stupid that someone would be shocked at the fact they won when the Grammys are meant to be awarded based on musical achievement, not record sales. Really, if you are someone who takes the Grammys seriously (and I'm not), shouldn't the response be 'oh shit, I should check this band out!'?

But yeah, it is a pretty big testament to the state of the modern music industry that a band can be as big as The Arcade Fire and still pretty much be considered unknown. I guess people still conflate popularity and sales with achievement, which makes perfect sense as it has always been that way, only now it is becoming even less and less true.

skull kid
16-02-2011, 07:02 AM
i'm no arcade fire fan but after one page of that blog i started feeling sorry that the internet was ever invented. people are annoying and stupid and there's nothing worse than said people expressing their opinions in a "provocative" manner on twitter/facebook

Corpsey
16-02-2011, 12:19 PM
I don't really know who Arcade Fire are either. I was supposed to go and see them at Glastonbury a few years ago, but while wading across a field battered on ketamine to get to the Pyramid Stage I suddenly heard the unmistakable voice of Skepta shouting 'Shut ya mout' somewhere to my left. I saw in a flash that him and JME were performing on a tiny stage for about 20 people and I managed to cover the 100 metres between me and that stage in approx 9.34 seconds. At this time I was quite obsessed with Boy Better Know. It was probably the greatest moment of my life.

CrowleyHead
16-02-2011, 02:51 PM
The Grammys aren't going to win anybody's respect by just handing awards to whatever band critics love to suck off...

Amusingly though, the general reaction is that the VMAs are infinitely superior to the Grammys. Which is perfect... The Grammys should be some secret backroom thing that nobody cares about, while the VMAs hog the attention.

IdleRich
16-02-2011, 04:09 PM
Reminds me of a few years back when Belle and Sebastian won the newcomer award at The Brits (I think it was) instead of people's favourites Steps. I seem to remember an outraged article in the Sun and a poll to reveal "Britain's Real Best New Band" as well as accusations of cheating (I think B & S had cunningly advised their fan club to vote and they did). Seems strange to me - if Abingdon Town beat Liverpool in the FA Cup then the world is cheering the plucky underdog but when a manufactured hit-making behemoth is defeated by some Scottish students the same people cry foul.

muser
16-02-2011, 04:41 PM
probably because it makes people insecure, underdog mentality only really works if they know who the underdog is and that they are definitely a underdog.

Alltho saying that people like wild cards like Goran Ivanosovich (or however you spell it), but I guess you see the progression, if he just turned up to the final and won I imagine alot of people wouldnt like it.

IdleRich
16-02-2011, 04:51 PM
Well, if you've never heard of them they are probably an underdog. I get what you say about progression though.

connect_icut
16-02-2011, 04:53 PM
My favourite things about the whole fiasco are:

1. People who get the band name and album title mixed up.

2. People who've never seen an indie rocker before ("They need a bath!)

3. People who think the Arcade Fire "cheated" to get their Grammy - presumably with huge bribes paid out from Merge Records' limitless resources.

4. The salutary reminder of how tiny many people's musical horizons are and how incredibly limited my own cultural horizons are - stuff I think is embarrassingly mainstream is bafflingly obscure to most Slim Shady fans.

For what its worth, I don't enjoy the band's music at all but I kind of appreciate the light they've unwittingly shone on today's pop music culture.

IdleRich
16-02-2011, 05:02 PM
"For what its worth, I don't enjoy the band's music at all but I kind of appreciate the light they've unwittingly shone on today's pop music culture."
Agreed - aren't some of those comments jokes though? I mean, it seems as if people have kinda started carrying on the meme for a laugh. Surely people don't really think like this:


Shut the fuck up about Arcade Fire. I had never even heard of them before tonight so they must suck.
That seems more like a pisstake of the other comments to me.

MatthewH
16-02-2011, 05:24 PM
I'd just like to add, as one of the token few (or perhaps only one) on this board living where the Arcade Fire come from, that the last few days it's like someone dropped an atomic bomb of smug over this town.

Leo
16-02-2011, 05:54 PM
...stuff I think is embarrassingly mainstream is bafflingly obscure to most Slim Shady fans.

ha...was thinking this the other day re: dubstep. in reality, pretty much no one in the states has a clue about it. ok, not *no one*, but you know what i mean...

Sick Boy
16-02-2011, 06:19 PM
I'd just like to add, as one of the token few (or perhaps only one) on this board living where the Arcade Fire come from, that the last few days it's like someone dropped an atomic bomb of smug over this town.

Isn't that a weekly event in Montreal? ;)

connect_icut
16-02-2011, 06:52 PM
Agreed - aren't some of those comments jokes though? I mean, it seems as if people have kinda started carrying on the meme for a laugh. Surely people don't really think like this:
That seems more like a pisstake of the other comments to me.

I definitely think the meme has taken on a life of its own and people have started posting stuff just to get on that Tumblr but I think that particular quote is probably for real. The majority of people still seem to equate "good" with "popular" with "popular" with "visible in the mainstream media".

And srsly, could Montreal get any more smug! The Grammy should have gone to the New Pornographers! :p;)

Mr. Tea
16-02-2011, 07:19 PM
In today's Evening Standard there was a wry piece about outraged Justin Bieber fans venting their poorly-spelled ire over their idol's failure to win the Grammy he was nominated for. The piece described him as an "inexplicable battery-operated five-year-old beat puppet", which I really liked.

MatthewH
16-02-2011, 07:44 PM
And srsly, could Montreal get any more smug! The Grammy should have gone to the New Pornographers! :p;)

Oh them's fightin words! :)

The New Pornos are quite good, I'll give you that, but the latest album wasn't their best. Twin Cinema or Mass Romantic were probably better than anything AF have done, but Suburbs beats Together.

Truth be told, I'm actually from the East Coast, which means I'm just waiting for Sloan to get good again.

Leo
16-02-2011, 07:51 PM
Truth be told, I'm actually from the East Coast, which means I'm just waiting for Sloan to get good again.

sloan are (or were, anyway) fucking great, some of the best pop/rock songwriting of the day. can't tell you how many hours i spent listening to "between the bridges", "navy blues", one chord", etc. in my earlier years.

connect_icut
16-02-2011, 08:32 PM
I heard a new Sloan song recently on Buck 65's radio show. It was unbelievably bad.

What is the deal with that show anyway? He has great taste in music but all he plays is shitty Canadian content and MOR folk rock.

crackerjack
16-02-2011, 08:38 PM
I definitely think the meme has taken on a life of its own and people have started posting stuff just to get on that Tumblr but I think that particular quote is probably for real. The majority of people still seem to equate "good" with "popular" with "popular" with "visible in the mainstream media".

And srsly, could Montreal get any more smug! The Grammy should have gone to the New Pornographers! :p;)

Must be nice for the World of Indie to be attracting so much pop ire. Better than being ignored the whole time.

Leo
16-02-2011, 08:59 PM
hey, good on merge. they'll sell more copies of that record than their entire catalog combined!

connect_icut
16-02-2011, 09:08 PM
hey, good on merge. they'll sell more copies of that record than their entire catalog combined!

But that's all going to change when they buy Destroyer a Grammy next year.

MatthewH
16-02-2011, 09:21 PM
But that's all going to change when they buy Destroyer a Grammy next year.

Haha. That would be awesome.

gumdrops
16-02-2011, 10:47 PM
i *have* heard of AF and actually have a bit of a soft spot for them (still not seem them live though which has bugged me). but the only album of theirs i really like is neon bible. do have the other two but the suburbs seems a bit too conscious of how its Saying Something Important (even some of the lyrics seem a bit clunkily weighed down by this problem) and funeral i think doesnt sound like its quite there to me, though i know it gets the most props out of all their albums. so neon bible IS their masterpiece right?

MatthewH
17-02-2011, 01:07 AM
so neon bible IS their masterpiece right?

My least favourite but to each their own n all that. There are still some good songs on there.

Here's an interesting bit about the whole Who Are These People meme:

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/02/arcade_fire_and_the_never_hear.html

crackerjack
17-02-2011, 09:23 AM
i *have* heard of AF and actually have a bit of a soft spot for them (still not seem them live though which has bugged me). but the only album of theirs i really like is neon bible. do have the other two but the suburbs seems a bit too conscious of how its Saying Something Important (even some of the lyrics seem a bit clunkily weighed down by this problem) and funeral i think doesnt sound like its quite there to me, though i know it gets the most props out of all their albums. so neon bible IS their masterpiece right?

I like NB best (tho haven;t heard the latest). Sounds like them opening out, not being afriad to blow away that whole loser mentality that dogs indie music. Reminds me quite a lot of Bunnymen when they were good. Of course, the next step from there is U2, which maybe why I didn't check out Suburbs.

IdleRich
17-02-2011, 05:12 PM
Speaking of music ghettoisation - or whatever it is we're speaking about - I happened to look at the wikipedia list of biggest selling albums. I wouldn't have guessed in a million years that Backstreet Boys had three records that had sold more than twenty million including one that had sold forty million(!) - more than any album by the Beatles, Led Zepp etc etc Is that me completely failing to see outside my ghetto or is it a sick joke?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling_album#Best-selling_albums_by_country

Also, I knew that The Bodyguard soundtrack sold loads but wouldn't have put it at number four for all time somehow.

IdleRich
17-02-2011, 05:17 PM
Also, Justin Bieber fans don't know who Arcade Fire are - but I wonder if they know what German is... (sorry if this is old news).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFVkHLT4wlI

crackerjack
17-02-2011, 05:32 PM
Speaking of music ghettoisation - or whatever it is we're speaking about - I happened to look at the wikipedia list of biggest selling albums. I wouldn't have guessed in a million years that Backstreet Boys had three records that had sold more than twenty million including one that had sold forty million(!) - more than any album by the Beatles, Led Zepp etc etc Is that me completely failing to see outside my ghetto or is it a sick joke?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling_album#Best-selling_albums_by_country

Also, I knew that The Bodyguard soundtrack sold loads but wouldn't have put it at number four for all time somehow.

No coincidence that BB's career also corresponded exactly with the record biz's high-water mark.

http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-music-industry-sales-2011-2

No albums on that wiki list since '04, and the only 2 since '00 are placed last and 5th from last.

Surprises me Beatles aren't higher, but they released their albums at a time when singles outsold LPs, often didn't put singles on the album, and made one every 7/8 months. Also EMI always kept them off mid-price lists, unlike, say, Back In Black.

Leo
17-02-2011, 06:19 PM
Speaking of music ghettoisation - or whatever it is we're speaking about - I happened to look at the wikipedia list of biggest selling albums...

shania twain and alanis morissette each sold more than "sgt. pepper"??? :eek:

MatthewH
17-02-2011, 10:33 PM
If you don't like Arcade Fire, hipsters will kill you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeHV3tyNQ60&feature=player_embedded

Shockingly not filmed in the Mile End neighbourhood of Montreal.

IdleRich
17-02-2011, 11:14 PM
"No coincidence that BB's career also corresponded exactly with the record biz's high-water mark.

http://www.businessinsider.com/chart...y-sales-2011-2

No albums on that wiki list since '04, and the only 2 since '00 are placed last and 5th from last."
True enough. I wonder how many copies of Thriller sold since MJ kicked the bucket though? I mean, I think it's been pretty much the biggest selling album since it came out but would never have guessed that it had done more than twice as much as everything else.

crackerjack
18-02-2011, 10:15 AM
True enough. I wonder how many copies of Thriller sold since MJ kicked the bucket though? I mean, I think it's been pretty much the biggest selling album since it came out but would never have guessed that it had done more than twice as much as everything else.

I'm a bit sceptical about the Jacko figure. There were claims of 100m+ bandied about round the time of his death that many took issue with, saying the real figure was more like 60-70m. Looking through the sources for this wiki page, there's a notable absence of professional industry bodies.

gumdrops
18-02-2011, 01:01 PM
best AF song? i think it must be my body is a cage.

crackerjack
18-02-2011, 01:10 PM
best AF song? i think it must be my body is a cage.

still think this is incredibly powerful

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crackerjack
19-02-2011, 01:43 PM
OT, but this link explains why the chart i posted earlier is wrong - things are actually much worse.

http://www.businessinsider.com/these-charts-explain-the-real-death-of-the-music-industry-2011-2

nomos
21-02-2011, 02:26 PM
BBC: Grammy Awards 'has lost touch with pop' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12523049)


A veteran music executive has criticised the Grammy Awards in a full-page advert in the New York Times.

Steve Stoute said Grammy voters had "lost touch with contemporary popular culture" by snubbing artists like Eminem and Justin Bieber.

He added the show had become "a series of hypocrisies and contradictions", claiming both acts were only asked to perform to boost TV ratings.

Here's the gem:


"How is it that Justin Bieber, an artist that defines what it means to be a modern artist, did not win best new artist?" Stoute said.

Inspired by the events in Egypt...


He finished by calling on artists to "demand they change this system" and uphold "its mission for advocacy and support of artistry as culture evolves".

crackerjack
21-02-2011, 02:39 PM
BBC: Grammy Awards 'has lost touch with pop' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12523049)



Here's the gem:



Inspired by the events in Egypt...


There's an increasing amount of this shit (not the pretence it has something to do with Egypt - that's just bonkers). But any time Feel My Blockbuster III doesn't clean up at the Oscars you see these same tired complaints about cultural elitism.

And Eminem wasn't ignored - he won Best Rap Album, as he has for ALL BUT ONE of his six mostly pretty dull albums.

Obviously that beating he took from Diddy's goons did Stoute more harm than first thought.

nomos
21-02-2011, 02:51 PM
(not the pretence it has something to do with Egypt - that's just bonkers)haha - that was just me trying to be wry.

crackerjack
21-02-2011, 03:11 PM
haha - that was just me trying to be wry.

:o

CrowleyHead
21-02-2011, 04:03 PM
Coming from Steve Stoute, that's fucking gold right there.

IdleRich
22-02-2011, 11:29 AM
"OT, but this link explains why the chart i posted earlier is wrong - things are actually much worse"
(also a digression) But it also makes the Backstreet thing harder to explain - there were more sales in terms of actual money when they were around but not really in terms of more albums.


"There's an increasing amount of this shit (not the pretence it has something to do with Egypt - that's just bonkers). But any time Feel My Blockbuster III doesn't clean up at the Oscars you see these same tired complaints about cultural elitism."
I blame Kanye West.