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CrowleyHead
06-11-2011, 02:45 PM
Disclaimer: I got put onto a lot of this by Elite Gymnastics mixes, (which somehow they've turned into a Pitchfork article) but holy shit... K-Pop is on some other shit these days.

Granted, a majority of the production isn't anything 'inventive', it's the same shlock pouring out of the West... But something between the overly stylized videos and the dramatic quality of the records almost makes them seem like a different league. Plus every so often, there's a tune that's really fucking brutal.

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http://youtu.be/AjY2Du2Cy2k

e/y
06-11-2011, 03:11 PM
that snsd girls generation song is nice, albeit in a pretty generic way. tbf, I can't stand the sound of the Korean language, so the 4 other one's which I can watch (the rest being blocked (http://tinypic.com/r/2ch48qc/5)) irritate me.

CrowleyHead
06-11-2011, 04:27 PM
I'm surprised we get the videos but you guys don't. Maybe it's the substantial Korean immigrant population...

trza
06-11-2011, 04:56 PM
A few pop culture bloggers, Perez Hilton in particular, have become obsessed with this stuff. Rain made himself into one of the most googled people on the entire internet a few years ago. The market is all of East Asia for this stuff, they get cute girls to dance and sing and get tons of internet hits. No shortage of western nerd obsession over the asian girls:


http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/280325/hawkscreenshot5.jpg

Benny B
06-11-2011, 06:13 PM
that snsd girls generation song is nice, albeit in a pretty generic way. tbf, I can't stand the sound of the Korean language, so the 4 other one's which I can watch (the rest being blocked (http://tinypic.com/r/2ch48qc/5)) irritate me.

Isn't the majority of this stuff sang in Japanese though?

Pandiculate
06-11-2011, 07:29 PM
Isn't the majority of this stuff sang in Japanese though?

K-pop isn't sang in Japanese, J-pop is sang in Japanese. They both use English terribly.

Benny B
06-11-2011, 07:37 PM
K-pop isn't sang in Japanese, J-pop is sang in Japanese. .

ok, but I was just going off this article which says they sing in Japanese in order to appeal to their fans there. I personally wouldn't be able to tell the difference: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/30/japanese-pop-girls-generation?INTCMP=SRCH

slowtrain
06-11-2011, 10:57 PM
At first I thought K-Pop meant ketamine-pop.

No offense, coz I can appreciate this stuff even if it is pretty awful (awful is good sometimes!)

Ketamine-pop would be more interesting sometimes.

Would be fun to fuck this shit up even more though.

chow11
06-11-2011, 11:50 PM
kpop is a response to fandom....I recently started folowing a lot of kpop tumblrs out of curiosity and there are thousands of them, and they all have gifs of their favorite groups every television appearance, and there are entire reality tv shows built around them...Like one of them was a mock olympics for kpop superstars. Right now in america i think the majority of people who know about kpop are the super obssesed fans, and this shared obseesion is sortof the basis of fandom in any aspect. but the groups are like the idea of a pop star magnified to the extreme...they are all super perfect boys and girls and there are tons of them, and the music videos...everything is basically made for peopel to consume and idolize

minikomi
07-11-2011, 02:48 AM
This is frikkin everywhere in Tokyo ... has been for a little while. So glad I don't own a TV. . but it's sneaking into clubs blahhhh

Anyway.. enjoy the earworm.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9403-9CptH8

Pandiculate
07-11-2011, 09:31 AM
ok, but I was just going off this article which says they sing in Japanese in order to appeal to their fans there. I personally wouldn't be able to tell the difference: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/30/japanese-pop-girls-generation?INTCMP=SRCH

Ah yeah they do Japanese versions of their songs sometimes, I really can't stand the whole idol culture to be honest. Absolutely hate Japanese TV, and I've given up ever meeting a Japanese girl with decent music taste.

baboon2004
07-11-2011, 10:44 AM
Ah yeah they do Japanese versions of their songs sometimes, I really can't stand the whole idol culture to be honest. Absolutely hate Japanese TV, and I've given up ever meeting a Japanese girl with decent music taste.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWeL1bXPjdc&ob=av2n

but (more) seriously, surely there must be loads of girls with great music taste in Tokyo...just go to more gigs?!

minikomi
07-11-2011, 10:53 AM
Yep, plenty .. lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzC4hFK5P3g

Pandiculate
07-11-2011, 12:06 PM
Yeah I think it's more the circles I've been round in recently. There are lots of girls that know their bands. Still never found anyone who thinks much of dance music though, beyond kind of liking house.

The girls I live with just have constant hardons for K-pop groups, they watch their DVDs of concerts and make wierd noises

CrowleyHead
07-11-2011, 12:23 PM
@Chow; I'd been exposed to the tumblr obsessives before, so I know exactly what you're talking about.

Oddly enough, there was one 'blogger' that was apparently a 17 year old girl who was writing these really creepy badly translated posts about stalking and attacking Sulli from f(x). It was the staple of the internet (for me anyway) for like a month. Seriously, genius levels of depravity, and I don't know if it was some odd art joke, or brilliant perversion.

IdleRich
07-11-2011, 02:15 PM
"tbf, I can't stand the sound of the Korean language"
I think that the language is the most interesting thing about it, it sounds so different from English it makes the whole thing really alien.
There's a band called f(x)? Sounds as though they're a bit more intelligent than the uk bands in the naming stakes.

Trillhouse
07-11-2011, 04:26 PM
I'm interested to see how hipsters will react to kpop now Pitchfork has told them it's ok to like it - and how Kpop will be changed by it's increasingly worldwide presence. Personally I have plenty of respect for anyone who can create well crafted pop and the S. Koreans seem to have the formula down atm.

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chow11
07-11-2011, 04:36 PM
Crowley that stuff is the best! i love reading that shit...seriously i look for fandom blogs and forums its such a weird subculture...obssesion and sex fantasy and shit like that...its huge in kpop but its a lot like drake fangirls i think. its so uncomfortable to read but entertaining at the same time

on another note i remember reading through this thread a while ago kinda gives an idea of the fan culture
http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=54145&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Trillhouse
07-11-2011, 04:51 PM
In Korea they have 'anti' fans, who hate on kpop acts as fervently as the most obsessive normal fan. They seem to dedicate their life spewing bile and hatred, and generally being bitchy towards idols.

This blog is amusing and disturbing in parts. http://antikpopfangirl.blogspot.com/ But the time and dedication they put in to hating on something is bewildering to the point of being pathetic.

CrowleyHead
07-11-2011, 05:27 PM
@Chow; Man, I'll send you the links to her two tumblrs right now. She's an absolute genius.

@Trillhouse; I mean, is it no worse than typical Western loathing of one's pop groups?

zhao
07-11-2011, 06:45 PM
thanks for this thread. we enjoyed a few of these videos very much! (and not only the 13 year old girl here)


Yeah I think it's more the circles I've been round in recently. There are lots of girls that know their bands. Still never found anyone who thinks much of dance music though, beyond kind of liking house.

The girls I live with just have constant hardons for K-pop groups, they watch their DVDs of concerts and make wierd noises

come to berlin i can introduce you to a few super cute asian girls that know more about Post Dubstep, Future Garage, and Juke than you...

Trillhouse
07-11-2011, 06:58 PM
@Trillhouse; I mean, is it no worse than typical Western loathing of one's pop groups?
In some ways it's a similar culture to the Perez Hilton type bloggers who'll bitch about the latest celebutard, calling them fat or what ever. Or the internet campaign to fuck with Justin Beaver. But in Kpop it seems to be an accepted, acknowledged and organised part of the pop industry.

Fans of most of the popular kpop groups will give themselves a collective name and form themselves into a kinda 'fan gang'. They'll will often collectively turn on other groups/idols and their fans. Just like it's not enough to support Spurs, you have to hate Arsenal as well.
Anti's range from harmless people who don't like you, or your music, to those who'll go well out of their way to let you know they hate you. They will obsess, even stalk, idols - in the same way as teenage girls the world over - but they do it cause they hate said idol.
It has even been known for rival fans to get violent towards each other. But they'll more likely try to fuck with each other in other ways, like trying to disrupt other groups concerts.
The really obsessive ones will do some pretty heinous stuff; physically attacking idols, sending them bags of blood, or even trying poison them. It also occasional takes on a racial element, and they will deliberately target the Chinese member of a group, or some Japanese will just hate kpop acts because they're Korean. There was a manga released in Japan calling SNSD & Kara cockroaches and saying they should be kicked out of the country.

I imagine Western fans are quite capable of the same levels of crazy, so maybe it's just a different flavour of crazy.

chow11
07-11-2011, 07:05 PM
In Korea they have 'anti' fans, who hate on kpop acts as fervently as the most obsessive normal fan. They seem to dedicate their life spewing bile and hatred, and generally being bitchy towards idols.

yeah i mean i dont really know that much about the industry but aparently the pop charts are dominated by sm entertainment so its almost like a "corporation"/mainstream backlash...and also the hate probably will come as a response to the asiaphile americans who are obsessed-the entire concept of weeabo in japan n such

i dont even enjoy the music that much...a lot of the songs dont even have that great of hooks (maybe its because i dont understand korean) but the culture is very entertaining especially on the american side of things

Leo
07-11-2011, 08:18 PM
I'm interested to see how hipsters will react to kpop now Pitchfork has told them it's ok to like it...

http://pitchfork.com/forkcast/16180-iall-we-fucking-care-about-is-kpop-whitehouse-and-our-catsi-mix/

*rolls eyes*

Ulala
07-11-2011, 08:45 PM
A 2-page thread? Pah, Popjustice has a whole damn sub-forum for K-Pop which is bewilderingly exhaustive (1437 pages just on general K-Pop discussion, let alone individual artist threads). I haven't read it, mind, but Popjustice is very well informed in its chosen fields. Probably worth a look:

K-Pop thread (http://www.popjustice.com/forum/index.php?board=32.0)

slowtrain
07-11-2011, 10:34 PM
http://pitchfork.com/forkcast/16180-iall-we-fucking-care-about-is-kpop-whitehouse-and-our-catsi-mix/

*rolls eyes*

This stuff really fucking bugs me but maybe because I'm just jealous that I didn't get to capitalise on this shit before they did.

EDIT: eg, see my post earlier in this thread.

comelately
30-08-2012, 08:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0

This is going global it seems.......

mistersloane
31-08-2012, 02:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0

This is going global it seems.......

rightly so.

Damien
31-08-2012, 04:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBn1e9pr2Q

this is massive on the thai karaoke circuit

zhao
16-09-2012, 01:42 PM
need more eye candy please!

sgn
16-09-2012, 03:13 PM
Not really familiar with a lot of K-pop, but I do like this track:

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I have mixed reactions to the video though. On the one hand, it's almost irresistably charming in its naivete. On the other, I have no idea how old the girls in Perfume are but I can't help but feel like I'm watching something specifically meant for 12 year old girls and that makes me a little uncomfortable. I don't know.

I have significantly less confused feelings about Hyuna.

CrowleyHead
16-09-2012, 08:49 PM
Well, Perfume's from Japan, and if my memory serves, they're all adults... Legit enough complaint though, I assume.

Trillhouse
20-09-2012, 05:20 PM
Yup, Perfume are Japanese and in their early 20s. AKB48 are a pretty interesting Jpop phenomenon, they have 60+ members who perform daily in their own theater. Although their ages range from early teens to mid twenties, so they're questionable eye candy, not that that seems to bother the Japanese.


Back to the Korean pop.

Secret - 'Poison'. Seems to me the producer had been listening to Ameri & Beyonce. Secret have been around a few years, they're don't seem to have the biggest fan base, but their first lp sold a shit load in Korea.
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Afterschool - Flashback. definitely an eye candy group, they go for the sexy rather than cute look.
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Hello Venus - Venus. a fine example of the cute approach, they only just debuted but are already pretty popular. Koreans seem kinda obsessed with the word "venus" despite the fact that a lot of them struggle with pronouncing 'V's commonly replacing them with 'P's.
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Glam - Party(XXO). Another new group, this one is put together by the same company as the Wonder Girls. There were about 60 new acts, groups and sub-groups in 2011, the trend has continued in 2012 with an additional 70.
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Sistar - Alone. This was a big hit for Sistar this year, propelling them into the upper echelons of kpop girl groups. They've only been around a few years but that kinda makes them veterans. The lead singer Hyorin has imho one of the best voices in kpop.
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Spica - Painkiller. Another new group for 2012, put together around Boa (the one with short red hair) who used to be a vocal coach for other acts. They're one of the few female kpop groups who really focus on the singing, with all members having strong voices.
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2NE1 - I love you. Label mates of Psy & Big Bang, and one of the biggest girl groups in Korea. They're currently dipping their toe into the US market with a small tour. Radio 1 played this song once, and Edith Bowmen kinda slated it - seems Radio 1 is too cool for straight up pop these days. They're meant to be bringing out a English language lp produced by Wil.i.am.
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That's probably enough for now.

Damien
21-09-2012, 06:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0

This is going global it seems.......

was dancing to this with a bunch of Thai GoGo girls the other day, good times

paolo
22-09-2012, 05:37 PM
The dance has inspired a host of parodies, the song has hit the top of the charts in South Korea, Malaysia, Finland and Latvia, and the YouTube video has accumulated more than 227m views. Now, according to Thai media, Gangnam Style, by the K-pop star Psy, has inspired a West Side Story-esque show of rivalry between two Bangkok gangs who are said to have had a dance-off before engaging in a gun battle.

The INN website reported that the two gangs were dining in the same restaurant when "the younger members of both groups danced provocatively at each other in the manner of top hit Gangnam Style". The dance-off escalated into an argument and, eventually, a gun attack in the upmarket Ekkamai neighbourhood, in which one of the gangs fired at least 50 bullets from a carbine and an 11mm gun.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/21/gangnam-style-danceoff-shootout-bangkok

Gunman style!

trza
18-08-2014, 05:04 PM
I think I read somewhere that the producer Sophie is heavily influenced by K-Pop, or was it aiming for more of a kawaii j-pop? Or maybe its all a smokescreen to get some kind of mysterious aura around the producer. Either way he has a new clip on soundcloud https://soundcloud.com/pcmus/drinkqt/s-OABoz

CrowleyHead
18-05-2018, 01:30 AM
Oh god it's really been 7 years of getting into this for me. Yikes.

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V. infuriating how the best R&B Group in the world being allowed to be promoted is a South Korean one but the world is confounding.

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This one produced by kids from London, hence the garagey sound

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Same producers did this one

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CrowleyHead
18-05-2018, 01:32 AM
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Want luka to dare to tackle this vid, as long as he's not afraid of the mind gangsterism.

sadmanbarty
18-05-2018, 12:52 PM
crowl, please could you give us one of your long posts about k-pop.

luka
18-05-2018, 09:31 PM
im assuming this is going to be terrifying and give me nightmares but here goes...

CrowleyHead
19-05-2018, 03:03 AM
crowl, please could you give us one of your long posts about k-pop.

I don't have the knowledge for that and I don't want it! The people who get the knowledge tend to be obsessive and abrasive about their knowledge. It's better just to gauge things in the dives. Just bear witness to the tunes. The experts will try to tell you some useless group with half a single is cutting the edge of music while they go get drunk with record execs on their personal time while vacationing in Seoul on Daddy's Dime.

luka
22-07-2018, 09:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8LxORztUWY&feature=youtu.be

Trillhouse
07-11-2018, 10:26 AM
Yeah ^that video sums up the underbelly of kpop pretty well. Although it's strange he didn't make more of the soft power thing and that the whole Korean wave thing came from a gov. initiative after the President noticed that the latest US summer blockbuster had grossed more than their major industries that year. Now Korean pop, tv and film dominate in many ways across the Asian market.

The dark side of kpop is very real, of the groups I posted above (6 odd years ago);
Secret have stopped performing because they're in a bitter legal battle with their management over not being paid.
Afterschool's management just stopped promoting or giving them any new music, even though they are all still under contract.
Hello Venus kinda split up, then came back with a new 'sexy' image and are now barely idols, more just girls who dance in skimpy clothing at cheap concerts.
Glam disbanded after one of the members was convicted of trying to extort money from a famous actor.
Sistar broke up, but were a rare success story.
Spica broke up after making no money, most likely leaving the members in debt.
2NE1 eventually disbanded after one of the members was involved in a drugs scandal - she was importing anti anxiety sedatives from the US, for personal use, but they were illegal in Korea. Their label mates at YG, Big Bang have stopped promoting after a key member was caught smoking weed whilst on military duty, which he tried to rectify by od'ing on benzo's, thankfully he recovered, unfortunately a member of Shinny, SM's rival boy band to Big Bang, succeeded in killing himself after battling depression for most of his short adult life.

The Kpop machine keeps on rolling regardless. There's always a fresh new set of identikit trainees to simply take over where the others left off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePpPVE-GGJw
Twice. the new 'nations girl group'. They've taken over the mantle from SNSD, although they're from a rival agency JYP - the leader of which was recently accused of being a downlow member of a cult. Korea has a real problem with very powerful, weird, quasi xian cults. The last President (who was herself sung about in a kpop hit 'Female President' paid for in part by gov investment) was brought down by huge scandal involving a cult. Twice are dominating Korean charts and breaking new records for girl group sales with each new release. They sure are smiley.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FB2EoKTK_Q
Mamamoo. You could call them the new Spica, although they're much more successful. They're currently the popular vocal focused female group. A lot of their music is pretty middle of the road but they have quite a positive image. They're not typical starved, identikit, idol types and a lot of their success comes from their personalities and entertaining appearances on variety and reality shows. It's not enough for idols to sing and dance to a ridiculously high level of precision they must be all round entertainers; being funny, charming and producing cringy improv on demand all whilst being permanently and ridiculously positive at all times. They also seem to be strangely fond of a bogel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dISNgvVpWlo
Black Pink. After 2NE1 imploded YG simply replaced them with the younger 2.0 version. 2NE1 were the second most popular girl group in Korea for several years and BP seemed to be on course for similar success, but they've been around 2 years and have only released 3 singles. Their management company seems to becoming somewhat of a joke, especially after their fronted 'create a pop group' reality show ended with no music actual being recorded or released; imagine Xfactor but with no cash grab single at the end of it to fill Simon Cowell's pockets. Instead the only result was a lawsuit on behalf of the individuals involved and the public being left wondering why they'd wasted everyone's time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isUudT58Xfk
OhMyGirl. The latest in a long line of cutesy girl groups. Although they may seem super saccharine, they're actually at the more rounded level of cute girl groups. Their image allows them to be slightly sexy and at least display some of the traits you'd expect in strong modern women. All of which probably sounds quaintly odd to western ears, but if you look further down the spectrum of cute kpop groups, epitomized currently by GFriend, you'll find a whole next level. Whilst, for the male gaze at least, OMG are meant to represent an ideal cute/sexy girlfriend material, GFriend are meant to appeal to a male audience for who female sexuality is somehow a little too threatening. It's almost like they just want to stare at the doe eyed pretty girl but they have to stay completely inaccessible to them and anyone else. Their fans will say they support them like a younger sister or young niece, but they'd all totally lose interest if their favourite member was found out to be dating. There's a big infantilizing trend running through a lot of kpop, and wider Korean society to an extent. In the days of hypersexualised pop acts being commonplace, especially in the West, a trend going the other way on paper sounds to be a positive, but the reality of it is too creepy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU7icQFVzHo



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mQk7Evt6Vs
(G)I-DLE. AKA 4minute 2.0. 4Minute's management decided it weren't bothered about renewing their contracts and unceremoniously dumped all the members bar Hyuna, who also had a flourishing solo career. Much more profitable for them to simply replace them with an identikit set of younger girls on new contracts with no demands of a fairer deal. Not long after that Hyuna would also end up being forced out of the company after it emerged she was dating a boy from the company's boy group Pentagon. He was kicked out as well, and they're both now living happily ever after on instagram.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM0xDI5R50E
IU. A rare positive light. She's been quietly ruling in the solo female pop sphere for several years now and has always been a talented performer / singer but she seems to be growing as a artist with each new album. This is her latest in which she's giving haters a yellow card and cheerily letting the people know they need to back the fuck off. There are others out there doing similar things and having some creative involvement, but few are on the level of IU. Gain seemed to be trying to follow a similar career path, but the last i heard of her was that she was grassing up and friend for offering her weed to cure her depression. She felt in necessary to publicly state she would never touch it cause it's illegal and that she was already receiving legal opioid injections thank you very much. Too much wtf. She ended up being investigated by the police and went into treatment of some kind


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur0hCdne2-s
Sunmi. Former Wonder Girls member left JYP and proved you can still have a flourishing second fase career, even if you are now a 10 year veteran and over 25. Other former members Yenny & Yubin have also had solo singles (Yubin tried to release a cover of City Pop anthem Plastic Love, until they realised the Future Funk artist they'd contacted to produce it hadn't done anything to actually change the original bar overdub some snares.).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rb5ISGbAbU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MiQonPvlVM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_CFBjAyPWE
Red Velvet. As seen a few posts up. Flying the flag for 90s rnb production. SM definitely have the best ear for outside production but their acts are generally drilled to the point of being automatons, so the result can be an odd mix. Several of the members of SNSD have been releasing solo tracks, some of which are musically interesting enough to be posted here, but they just have the feeling that the singer is pretty much interchangeable to the point of being almost irrelevant beyond marketing a name. I know that's what manufactured pop can be, but when it's done at an organisation level to such a regimented, well orchestrated degree, it reaches into some kind of uncanny valley and risks becoming wholly depersonalized.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR3DcUMLeN0

luka
08-11-2018, 09:03 AM
fascinating, thank you. this is maybe something for another thread, i dunno, but the continued influence of LaChapelle throughout eastern and western pop music videos is worth noting. http://www.lachapellestudio.com/
there's something very powerful about it. it really conveys the sense of the Spectacle existing on a higher level of Reality to our own. it feels like being trolled by the gods and goddesses who live there. i like it a lot.

CrowleyHead
08-11-2018, 08:17 PM
May respond to Trillhouse at some point or even go into furthers but that Twice - TT song has been one of my favorite songs for a few years now, I love it so much.

CrowleyHead
08-11-2018, 09:11 PM
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Other recent gems from groups that hadn't been mentioned yet.

Trillhouse
03-12-2018, 01:54 PM
2 new

Jennie (Blackpink) - solo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b73BI9eUkjM


Red Velvet - really bad boy (that bridge tho)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWJUPY-2EIM

Trillhouse
06-12-2018, 05:29 PM
a couple of tracks away from the straight pop side

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyPOhGIc1RI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAWI6nMQhQI

CrowleyHead
06-12-2018, 11:23 PM
These as well

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