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droid
16-12-2011, 10:49 AM
Dies the day after the Americans withdraw from Iraq. Some serious cosmic irony there.

luka
16-12-2011, 10:54 AM
you cant drink heavily every day and retain your mental faculties. its sad that people destroy themselves, but they do.

droid
16-12-2011, 10:55 AM
I think he knew exactly what he was doing. Chasing the $.

you
16-12-2011, 11:48 AM
shit thats sad, I loved the guy - need to get his book

Sectionfive
16-12-2011, 12:43 PM
Short interview from when he released the book in '10.
Shift from left to right, Iraq etc


Played a snippet of it on radio this morning, full thing here

http://www.rte.ie/podcasts/2011/pc/pod-v-16121117m39stodaywithpatkenny-pid0-1059168.mp3

bruno
16-12-2011, 03:31 PM
the good thing about being dead is that one can no longer read comment sections. he is in a better place.

UFO over easy
16-12-2011, 05:53 PM
a good obituary

http://leninology.blogspot.com/2011/12/late-christopher-hitchens.html

vimothy
16-12-2011, 06:48 PM
Is it really though?

Whenever I read "lenin" I find that it's never more than exactly what I was expecting.

Mr. Tea
16-12-2011, 06:54 PM
Well yeah, pro-faith hard-leftists in not massively keen on Chris Hitchens shocka...

A friend of mine is obsessed with this guy.

UFO over easy
16-12-2011, 07:30 PM
seems pretty even handed to me. i don't think his atheism is the issue here.

vimothy
16-12-2011, 08:27 PM
I guess we have different definitions of "even handed".

droid
16-12-2011, 09:42 PM
Well yeah, pro-faith hard-leftists in not massively keen on Chris Hitchens shocka...

A friend of mine is obsessed with this guy.

Say what you like about Seymour, but he's far from 'pro-faith'.

droid
16-12-2011, 09:43 PM
Whenever I read "lenin" I find that it's never more than exactly what I was expecting.

I knew you were going to say that.

Sectionfive
16-12-2011, 09:53 PM
Polemicist to the last anyway. Every thread I've seen today is full of people arguing over him.

Here's Cockburn's take


http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/12/16/farewell-to-c-h/

Mr. Tea
16-12-2011, 10:38 PM
Say what you like about Seymour, but he's far from 'pro-faith'.

OK, not him specifically, but some of the other guys on that site...

don_quixote
17-12-2011, 10:07 AM
Polemicist to the last anyway. Every thread I've seen today is full of people arguing over him.

Here's Cockburn's take


http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/12/16/farewell-to-c-h/


One awful piece of opportunism on Hitchens’ part was his decision to attack Edward Said just before his death, and then for good measure again in his obituary.

does he know what he's writing about? i'm sure it's not exactly equivalent and can be defended and so on, but really, this sentence, in a piece about his death?

crackerjack
17-12-2011, 10:54 AM
does he know what he's writing about? i'm sure it's not exactly equivalent and can be defended and so on, but really, this sentence, in a piece about his death?

That's a pretty unpleasant piece (I thought they were still mates?) but he's spot on regarding Hitchens' attempted skewering of Clinton.

Martin D
17-12-2011, 10:52 PM
Enjoyed his work but his smug drunken bloke at the bar was pretty high if you ask me.

droid
19-12-2011, 10:47 AM
OTM:

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/17/christohper_hitchens_and_the_protocol_for_public_f igure_deaths/singleton/

Esp
20-12-2011, 01:16 AM
OTM:

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/17/christohper_hitchens_and_the_protocol_for_public_f igure_deaths/singleton/

Cheers for the link to this, it was a really well put together piece. I didnt realise the scale of the reaction to Reagan's death, it'll be interesting to see what sort of reaction we get in the UK when Thatcher goes.

The Lenin's Tomb Obit had too strong a thread of intellectual arrogance running through it for me - to accuse Hitchens of floundering when faced with literary theory seems a bit much.

padraig (u.s.)
20-12-2011, 07:20 AM
personally I'll never be able to get past that video of him being waterboarded for 15 seconds while a trip hop version of O Fortuna inexplicably plays in the background (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58).

always found his Norman Mailer-lite bad boy persona tiresome/ridiculous and thought his supposed intellectual honesty vastly overrated, as if he were the first dude ever to move to the right as he aged. his latter year empire apologetics were/are pretty appalling. OTOH he was quite a lot more interesting than most of his pundit peers, and his embrace of the role of public intellectual (whether or not he actually was one) was admirable in a society that is highly, and as the years go by increasingly, anti-intellectual. plus he gets bonus points for things like being willing to publicly call bullshit on Mother Theresa. and for sticking to his guns about God, or lack thereof, until the bitter end.

reckon his punishment for his sins will to be remembered primarily as a neocon mouthpiece for Iraq, which I'm sure he would hate.

luka
21-12-2011, 08:49 AM
i preferred kieth floyd.