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rubberdingyrapids
12-06-2012, 10:03 PM
reading that list of current filthstep/splatterstep etc etc tunes here - http://earthexit.blogspot.com/2012/05/10-wobble-records.html
made me think that spongebob is prob the most influential dubstep record of the past 5 or so years, arguably maybe even ever, considering how big dubstep got since that record came out. i know its really annoying to read about how certain records CHANGED EVERYTHING (esp when youre reading about say, the strokes) but spongebob id say sort of did, with regard to dubstep at least, anyway. def a pulse x moment too in that old scene defenders and fans totally hated it like how old garage fans hated pulse x, and thought it brought the whole scene down, and also cos it more or less invented a whole new sub genre that sort of swallowed the old one in a way. and def a record that whether you liked it or not, provoked a really strong reaction in everyone that heard it.

all that said, i dont really like spongebob all that much.

benjybars
12-06-2012, 10:20 PM
yeah i think that's true enough really.

Cockney Thug has also got a lot to answer for..

rubberdingyrapids
12-06-2012, 10:29 PM
im sure spongebob was out first, by quite a few months, or being played first at least, though yeah, cockney thug has a lot to answer for too (i also dont really like that track much either - weird how rosko has become a big name producer, i always thought caspa was better).

but spongebob is basically one of those genre ground zero moments. where pre-SB dubstep was about producers trying to sound older than their years and make more 'mature' stuff, everything after went in totally the opposite direction.

Slothrop
12-06-2012, 10:34 PM
Although it's notable that a lot of people who despise wobble in general are really defensive of Spongebob and argue for it being, in some hard-to-pin-down way, not only better than loads of really similar sounding tunes but in some sense in a totally different category from them.

nomos
12-06-2012, 10:38 PM
i always preferred this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCIgL9SNc-M&t=0m8s

Corpsey
12-06-2012, 10:57 PM
I was never a huge fan of it but I enjoyed it when it was more of a one-of-a-kind tune.

Although I always liked the 'depth' of dubstep when I got into it, aggy energetic wobble tunes were always an important part (''Lightning'' by Skream for example... 'Kalawanji' by Kromestar and 'Tortured'/'Shattered'/'Haunted' by Coki of course) too. There just seemed to be more scope for 'bangers' that didn't feature the standard banger signifiers... if that makes sense.

I remember the reaction Spongebob got at DMZ was really huge, its pretty obvious why so many producers aped that style. Skream did it well with 'Oskillatah' for example.

I think 'Rubber Chicken' by Caspa was an 'important' tune in this respect too - the second drop, where the wobble effect became more important than any other aspect of the tune, where the stretching/warping effect on the bass is driven to extremes - another tune that had a big reaction.

I can see Reynold's point about the wobble being a bit like Dubstep's amen break or whatever - a clear signifier that had/has a huge effect on the dancefloor.

Corpsey
12-06-2012, 11:00 PM
Although it's notable that a lot of people who despise wobble in general are really defensive of Spongebob and argue for it being, in some hard-to-pin-down way, not only better than loads of really similar sounding tunes but in some sense in a totally different category from them.

Obviously its cos its by Coki and Coki gets a bit of a pass no matter what he does, but I do think there's something unique about those Coki tunes that most other wobblers don't really capture. Actually I think most are closer to Caspa/'Oskillatah' - more mechanical and clean, not as frenzied and feral.

Phaedo
12-06-2012, 11:06 PM
coki will always have something no other wobble producer is able to replicate. its amazing when you see him dj and hes just standing still, doesnt give a shit about the mayhem he's causing.

petergunn
12-06-2012, 11:12 PM
im sure spongebob was out first, by quite a few months, or being played first at least, though yeah, cockney thug has a lot to answer for too (i also dont really like that track much either - weird how rosko has become a big name producer, i always thought caspa was better).

but spongebob is basically one of those genre ground zero moments. where pre-SB dubstep was about producers trying to sound older than their years and make more 'mature' stuff, everything after went in totally the opposite direction.

i've been saying this for years to my friends... that Spongebob and early Caspa/Rusko is ground zero of brostep...

i wasn't feeling it too much when it came out, as i was getting burnt on dubstep... now i wish i had bought it...

Benny B
12-06-2012, 11:21 PM
coki will always have something no other wobble producer is able to replicate. its amazing when you see him dj and hes just standing still, doesnt give a shit about the mayhem he's causing.

he is by far the worst DJ I have ever seen though

Sectionfive
12-06-2012, 11:35 PM
Surely Dub Police was probably far more influential at that end. It was Rusko people were aping no?
Spongebob was massive but Coki was off on something other thing to the wobble Taninian goes into.

How influential was Coki on the Caspa & Rusko fabric CD is the question maybe

Hyph Mngo was probably the one in the other direction

Ory
13-06-2012, 11:54 AM
Hyph Mngo was probably the one in the other direction

surely martyn led the way on that end (swung faux-garage beats, shimmery synths)? he never really had 1 massive, defining anthem though. maybe his remix of "broken heart"?

outraygeous
13-06-2012, 12:51 PM
I loved spongebob when it came out. I used to go to fwd a lot and most of the time I just sat on the concrete block on the edge of the dancefloor chillin

Dubstep at that time never had that 'grime-hype'

My friends and I labelled Midnight Request Line as the running through the woods tune.

Brostep is like Bassline for me, I can take it here and there but Id be dammed if it was my only genre of choice.

hopper
13-06-2012, 03:12 PM
I think everyone is on the money with singling out Spongebob and Cockney Thug. I think cockney thug was a really divisive moment, it caused such a big reaction - 3 rewinds everytime, with a really loutish sample as well bringing in a different kind of crowd. That tune kinda feels like the biggest dubstep tune that divided the core.

I think spongebob differs from haunted, shattered and tortured as well in terms of energy. The synth is much more serated and the energy is much more manic, it didn't really have that trademark coki shuffle as much as say its brother goblin (spongewall) maintained, and that was the major departure I guess as far as I'm concerned. Coki used to be one of my favourite producers, but most of the beats he's done in the last four years have kinda bored me, difficult to say if they're of lesser quality or if I'm just desensitized to that style, feels there is something missing though. Earth a Run Red, Redeye etc. were just massive though

Sectionfive
13-06-2012, 04:03 PM
surely martyn led the way on that end (swung faux-garage beats, shimmery synths)? he never really had 1 massive, defining anthem though. maybe his remix of "broken heart"?

you could almost say the first 2562 Tectonic was ahead of Martyn's jump from dnb but in terms of influence like spongebob and rusko it was Hyph Mngo that ushered in the big swing to house, BenUFO dropping it a fwd etc

I still think Spongebob is different to all the wobble that followed though. It did alot for midrange (and moshing :eek:) but there is a much clearer line between Skream, Rusko, Skillex and trolley rapist or whatever. Coki is like Peverelist, off on some other thing that only belongs to them

rubberdingyrapids
13-06-2012, 08:53 PM
the other thing about spongebob is that coki did tunes like shattered and tortured which i loved but spongebob seemed to send him down some weird new direction, where almost every tune was a new variation of spongebob, like some sort of obsessive refinement, or taking it one step further each time, like with goblin, which i find barely listenable but that makes him like some sort of brostep auteur.

benjybars
13-06-2012, 09:43 PM
haha. brostep auteur. :)

yeah it's true tho.. since Spongebob he's basically just made another 250 versions of the same tune..

although his last Tempa release was pretty good.

Leo
13-06-2012, 09:49 PM
always liked the way this lurches around (as well as the gunshots and twangy spaghetti western guitar samples)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL-752u_yNY

wise
13-06-2012, 09:55 PM
What happened to Rusko though? Don't hear anything about him these days

petergunn
14-06-2012, 09:14 AM
you could almost say the first 2562 Tectonic was ahead of Martyn's jump from dnb but in terms of influence like spongebob and rusko it was Hyph Mngo that ushered in the big swing to house, BenUFO dropping it a fwd etc



i remember martyn being first... remember being in a house/disco shop in maybe 07/08 and the only dubstep thing they had was a martyn 12" and they were into it... and yeah, a year or so later, all those people LOVED joy orbison...

paolo
14-06-2012, 02:40 PM
Cockney Thug is my dubstep guilty pleasure. Also Coki tunes work so much better in the dance than other wobbly/jump-up tracks

Corpsey
15-06-2012, 07:35 PM
always liked the way this lurches around (as well as the gunshots and twangy spaghetti western guitar samples)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL-752u_yNY

This is great

PadaEtc
17-06-2012, 02:11 AM
Cockney Thug is my dubstep guilty pleasure. Also Coki tunes work so much better in the dance than other wobbly/jump-up tracks

I told all my friends that I sold cockney thug after it being requested at every single house party I had for about 4 years - I couldn't bare to actually sell it though...

Local Authority
19-06-2012, 09:33 PM
As shit as it is, Slimzee dropped Cockney Thug at FWD 10th birthday last year and I danced so fucking hard.

Local Authority
19-06-2012, 09:36 PM
I love how most of the youtube videos are rips fro the Caspa & Rusko Fabric CD.

Listening to again though and I reckon that could be mixed in with some really shit tech house.

mistersloane
20-06-2012, 12:41 AM
As shit as it is, Slimzee dropped Cockney Thug at FWD 10th birthday last year and I danced so fucking hard.

I think if a record makes you dance really fucking hard, then it isn't shit.

I dunno, correct me if I'm wrong on that one, but if it's a functional dance record, and you danced really hard, then it fulfils its purpose, therefore it isn't shit, eh?

It's just that you're embarrassed about having danced to it, and so you're saying it's shit to absolve yourself.

Which is just, y'know, not cool.

Cockney Thug is a great record. Deal with it.

rubberdingyrapids
20-06-2012, 08:42 AM
i dont love the original cockney thug but i always thought this remix was way better than ruskos -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KQEN5hhs7Y

mrfaucet
20-06-2012, 08:54 AM
I think the thing is that tracks like Spongebob and Cockney Thug had a ridiculousness to them that Coki and Rusko were most likely aware of. The problem was when it all became very serious and (teenage) angsty. Like this:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQf0AaEgZv1AsG5vwfjws-PX7rTkU_B8GfYtYQQ5NWX9WGixxMafYtQnuz6

That was what set the stage for where things are now, where dubstep to most people is a latter day form of nu-metal.

Local Authority
20-06-2012, 09:50 AM
I think if a record makes you dance really fucking hard, then it isn't shit.

I dunno, correct me if I'm wrong on that one, but if it's a functional dance record, and you danced really hard, then it fulfils its purpose, therefore it isn't shit, eh?

It's just that you're embarrassed about having danced to it, and so you're saying it's shit to absolve yourself.

Which is just, y'know, not cool.

Cockney Thug is a great record. Deal with it.

It's got a lot of energy and its got a really fun bassline and loads of fun noises, its shit for being nothing more than that.

I'm not embarrassed that I've danced to it, you just want me to be embarrassed so you can take a some sort of high ground because you genuinely enjoy dancing to it. You want to claim the enjoyment of dancing to cockney thug.

It's just something I would regard as good, I wouldn't listen to it through because I genuinely appreciate the song. Its just a fun song when you're fucked.

mistersloane
20-06-2012, 10:55 AM
It's got a lot of energy and its got a really fun bassline and loads of fun noises, its shit for being nothing more than that.

I'm not embarrassed that I've danced to it, you just want me to be embarrassed so you can take a some sort of high ground because you genuinely enjoy dancing to it. You want to claim the enjoyment of dancing to cockney thug.

It's just something I would regard as good, I wouldn't listen to it through because I genuinely appreciate the song. Its just a fun song when you're fucked.

No, I was just drunk when I posted, ignore me and apologies for any offence.

I have had some GREAT times bouncing about to that record though.

trilliam
20-06-2012, 07:04 PM
It's got a lot of energy and its got a really fun bassline and loads of fun noises, its shit for being nothing more than that.

smfh

outraygeous
21-06-2012, 01:12 PM
"When your spirit is floating down that tunnel towards the light, you know what's behind the light? It's not God, it's me. And I'm gonna kick your poncy soul all the way back down the tunnel till you choke on your own fucked up ribs. NOW, WAKE THE FUCK UP!"

its not even a massive wobbler or robot hitting the vinegar strokes, its a good tune.

Listening to it now.

unclerico
21-06-2012, 11:27 PM
i like spongebob and i dont like brostep at all, so to be honest i cant really hear the connection although i can appreciate it may have had an impact that influenced the dubstep "scene" in a particular direction. its doesnt sound macho or aggressive to me - more weird and bouncy with a strange dubby undercurrent. also, i dont find the mid range noises grating, unlike the screeching sounds in most brostep tunes. it has more of a scooped sound where the biggest emphasis is still on the sub bass.

Blackdown
22-06-2012, 07:38 AM
Have you heard it loud in a club (jus asking)?

trilliam
22-06-2012, 10:09 AM
seriously no-one finds anything wrong with that statement?

outraygeous
22-06-2012, 11:52 AM
Think its just one of those 'I going to write this on a forum with minimal effort, I hope it dont get quoted and stick with me for life' so of statements

Thats just a guess. Forum posting can be long, most times.

Its like tapping up chicks online, you bring out the best bars for the buff ones. Guess talking about Cockney Thug is like tapping up the 3 times divorced 25 year old from Addington with 7 kids. You just aint really gonna dig too deep.

(I know the math is wrong)

joe.dfx
23-06-2012, 12:26 AM
was spongebob being played on dub before or after the smoking ban?

that was probably the biggest change (to an outsider at least.)

everything seemed to need to get aggier after the ban given the less smoked out everyone was and the more liquored up they were.

benjybars
23-06-2012, 07:57 AM
Spongebob first started getting played out in early-ish 07.. i remember it getting dropped at the JME birthday bash at FWD

unclerico
25-06-2012, 05:16 PM
Have you heard it loud in a club (jus asking)?

yeah on the iration system - and it was very intense, but all i was saying is that it doesnt sound screechy or aggressive to me like a lot of brostep stuff does.

i like the triplets in the rhythms and synth parts too and the actual choice of sounds is very imaginative. i think its a really great tune anyway but i dont expect people to agree with me if its not their cup of tea

to me coki is someone who does their own thing in their own way and i don't agree that he's been churning out the same tune. instead i would argue that he does different permutations of a sound and then moves on. the results may be mixed but a their best his stuff is in a league of its own and i think if a compilation of his best stuff was put together the breadth and imagination of it would surprise a lot of his critics

Leo
25-06-2012, 05:49 PM
if a compilation of his best stuff was put together the breadth and imagination of it would surprise a lot of his critics

this is always a cool skank:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbHBBgHNCJU

rubberdingyrapids
25-06-2012, 10:32 PM
i dont like the trad-reggae sounding coki tracks that much.

intergalatic has to be one of his all time best. was desperate for it ever since it was on dubstep all stars 3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug-Xv9q_fyo

there was another amazing digital mystikz track on that same mix that i dont think has ever been released.

rubberdingyrapids
05-07-2012, 09:45 PM
good idea, not sure about the selections. its basically a list of brostep/borderline brostep/not really brostep but just a bit wobbly dubstep tracks that people who dont like brostep might like.

http://www.factmag.com/2012/07/04/in-defence-of-the-wobbler-10-classics-from-the-rowdier-end-of-dubstep/

Ory
06-07-2012, 10:40 AM
those selections seem a bit safe and inoffensive, bar sweet shop

tunes like crunked up and disko rekah are hardly wobblers in the way we've come to understand the term, and i don't think anyone's ever argued that earth a run red is a bad track

if you're going to argue "in defence" of it, at least go all-out like that bloke on the blog that reynolds linked

rubberdingyrapids
06-07-2012, 09:26 PM
its just unbelievably conservative. like a list by someone whos never listened to brostep in their lives.

PadaEtc
26-07-2012, 04:52 PM
RSD - Accepted isn't really rowdy at all, what would your 3 for a list in that vein be?

Off the top of my head;
Emalkay - Fabrication
Instra:mental - No Future (Skream Remix)
Fullness- Butterfish (Marlow Remix)