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nomos
13-04-2005, 12:16 AM
http://botit.botany.wisc.edu:16080/images/332/

<img src="http://www.rhizomatic.org/blog/imgs/mushrooms/C._gigantea_D.Derouen_TJV.jpg" alt="C._gigantea_D.Derouen_TJV.jpg" width="482" height="660"><br><br>crepe-y<br>
<img src="http://www.rhizomatic.org/blog/imgs/mushrooms/D._duplicata_2_tjv.jpg" alt="D._duplicata_2_tjv.jpg" width="425" height="800"><br><br>easily identified bolete variety..<br><br>
<img src="http://www.rhizomatic.org/blog/imgs/mushrooms/B._coniferigera_tjv.jpg" alt="B._coniferigera_tjv.jpg" width="602" height="467"><br><br>legs<br>
<img src="http://www.rhizomatic.org/blog/imgs/mushrooms/G._saccatum_tjv.jpg" alt="G._saccatum_tjv.jpg" width="640" height="538"><br><br>
<img src="http://www.rhizomatic.org/blog/imgs/mushrooms/Gymnosporangium_horns_TJV.jpg" alt="Gymnosporangium_horns_TJV.jpg" width="651" height="523"><br><br>
<img src="http://www.rhizomatic.org/blog/imgs/mushrooms/L.viscosa_I_tjv.jpg" alt="L.viscosa_I_tjv.jpg" width="560" height="655"><br><br>legs<br>
<img src="http://www.rhizomatic.org/blog/imgs/mushrooms/Geaster_tjv.jpg" alt="Geaster_tjv.jpg" width="422" height="361" /><br><br>

luka
13-04-2005, 09:00 AM
thats amazing

egg
13-04-2005, 11:31 AM
apparently the only mushroom that doesn't promote the spread of fungus on/in yr body is the shiitake

mms
13-04-2005, 06:59 PM
fungus is the worlds largest organisim as well, there is one 3.5 miles wide and up to 10 ft deep in the blue mountains of east oregon.

as for the shitake and the spread of fungus through the body, i recall an amazing batman comic where victims of airborn spores were ordered by some mechanisim in the spores to climb higher and higher, whereupon their bodies would explode into millions of airborn spores, giving the optimum conditions for spreading the fungus.

on another truthful but rare note there is a rare parasite called cystercosis that effects the brain causing inhibition, which sounds like cronemburgs film shivers eh?

one day fungus will inherit the earth.

nomos
13-04-2005, 08:13 PM
Herbalgram in 2003 had an excellent feature on medicinal mushrooms from Asia. The spectrum of uses attributed to each was amazing - anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, anti-tumour, anti-viral, etc. It led me to pick up a book on Chinese herbal medicine called Radiant Health (a little too cheerlead-y, but the info seems to stand up to scrutiny).

My favourite bit in the book is a description of how Cordyceps take form - beginning on the forehead of a particular type of caterpillar, the mushroom eventually envelopes and consumes its host, leaving a pure white, worm-like fungus in its place. I always imagine a scene of social awkwardness arising from a caterpillar noticing that first hint of white on a friend's forehead and not having the heart to tell him.

nomos
13-04-2005, 08:17 PM
oh and mushrooms are genetically closer to humans than humans are to plants. i believe this has implications for their use as anti-viral agents.

mms
13-04-2005, 10:09 PM
My favourite bit in the book is a description of how Cordyceps take form - beginning on the forehead of a particular type of caterpillar, the mushroom eventually envelopes and consumes its host, leaving a pure white, worm-like fungus in its place.

phwoar that is such an exciting fact.
Another thing about mushrooms are alot of them are edible or useful but the knowledge is difficult to attain and the drawbacks are getting it wrong, even though a person can walk through any medium sized woodland area and if they know where to look find all sorts of tasty fungi.
They're very interesting things aren't they, very different from plants, and its no suprise we're more like then than plants.

this bloke does walks on hampstead heath and other parts of london
http://www.fungitobewith.org/

Helen
13-04-2005, 11:40 PM
That bit about the people infected with spores which compel them to climb higher and then have their heads explode etc. is based on an actual fungus which has that effect on a particular sort of ant.

nomos
14-04-2005, 01:34 AM
or maybe it was that mushrooms and humans are closer than mushrooms and plants. that would be more impressive sounding.


That bit about the people infected with spores which compel them to climb higher and then have their heads explode etc. is based on an actual fungus which has that effect on a particular sort of ant.
:eek: lockergnome.com/s/b/Exploding_head_syndrome (http://encyclopedia.lockergnome.com/s/b/Exploding_head_syndrome)

Helen
14-04-2005, 03:08 AM
Wow. That's intense.
Maybe it's a leakage in some sort of ancient portal, whhich throughout the millennia has been patched over with genetic code.

Omaar
14-04-2005, 05:26 AM
That bit about the people infected with spores which compel them to climb higher and then have their heads explode etc. is based on an actual fungus which has that effect on a particular sort of ant.

for real? no way. please elaborate.

Omaar
14-04-2005, 05:30 AM
"INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS Boston Mycological Club Bulletin, Sept. 1997
Excerpted from Mr. Wilsonís Cabinet of Wonder
Pronged Ants, Horned Humans, Mice on Toast and Other Marvels of Jurassic Technology by Lawrence Weschler
Copyright 1995, ISBN 0-679-43998-6, Vintage Books, division of Random House, Inc., NY

Deep in the Cameroonian rain forests of west-central Africa there lives a floor-dwelling ant known as Megaloponera foetens, or more commonly, the stink ant. This large antóindeed, one of the very few capable of emitting a cry audible to the human earósurvives by foraging for food among the fallen leaves and undergrowth of the extraordinarily rich rain-forest floor.

On occasion, while thus foraging, one of these ants will become infected by inhaling the microscopic spore of a fungus from the genus Tomentella, millions of which rain down upon the forest floor from somewhere in the canopy above. Upon being inhaled, the spore lodges itself inside the antís tiny brain and immediately begins to grow, quickly fomenting bizarre behavioral changes in its ant host. The creature appears troubled and confused, and presently, for the first time in its life, it leaves the forest floor and begins an arduous climb up the stalks of vines and ferns.

Driven on and on by the still-growing fungus, the ant finally achieves a seemingly prescribed height whereupon, utterly spent, it impales the plant with its mandibles and, thus affixed, waits to die. Ants that have met their doom in this fashion are quite a common sight in certain sections of the rain forest.

The fungus, for its part, lives on. It continues to consume the brain, moving on through the rest of the nervous system and, eventually, through all the soft tissue that remains of the ant. After approximately two weeks, a spikelike protrusion erupts from out of what had once been the antís head. Growing to a length of about an inch and a half, the spike features a bright orange tip, heavy-laden with spores, which now begin to rain down onto the forest floor for other unsuspecting ants to inhale."

reference (http://www.psms.org/sporeprints/sp336.html)

crikey.

"emitting a cry audible to the human ear" - I wonder what they sound like ....

Omaar
14-04-2005, 05:47 AM
This article (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2004%2F08%2F14%2Fwnepal14 .xml&sSheet=%2Fnews%2F2004%2F08%2F14%2Fixworld.html) is pretty exciting, even though its from the daily telegraph.

"The Nepalese army and the countryís rampant Maoist rebels are vying for control of the multi-million-pound trade in an exotic traditional medicine known as the Himalayan Viagra. Prized for its reputed powers as an aphrodisiac and panacea, the medicine is made from a creature known to locals as yarchagumba, a caterpillar with a parasitical mushroom that grows from its head and will ultimately kill it."

-- aka cordyceps

Helen
14-04-2005, 06:33 AM
I've heard from more than one source that the Megaloponera foetens is a fabrication of the Museum of Jurassic Technology, however it is more a combination of truths than a diversion from a truth.
Although I haven't read it, <i>Parasites in Social Insects</i> by Paul Schmid-Hempel is supposed to be informative on this topic. Here's an excerpt describing the liver fluke:
"By some as yet unknown mechanism, the brain worm seems to manipulate the worker ant's behavior so that she climbs grasses and fastens herself there with mandibles. In this way, the ant is more vulnerable to a predator i.e. the next host of the parasite. It is striking how closely this phenomenon resembles the one observed in ants infected by fungi, as illustrated earlier. In both cases, the parasite establishes itself in the vicinity of presumably critical neural tissue of the host. This indicates that seeking the neighborhood for specific host nerve cells is probably a general, active, and adaptive process by which the parasite can attain control over its host's behavior."
It's getting off the subject of mushrooms a bit, but is justifiably fascinating.
Bringing it back home, I once lived the 'life flashing before your eyes' of another person, a woman in her mid thirties, during a few seconds of unconsciousness at the hands of blue meanies.

michael
14-04-2005, 07:00 AM
Ant ravaged by fungus...

Helen
14-04-2005, 07:45 AM
Leaf cutting ants have a symbiotic relationship with a fungus which they nourisg with leaves, and which in turn nourishes their larvae. Quid pro quo...

mms
14-04-2005, 09:09 AM
wow told you this thread was shaping up!!

after work i'll tell you about fungal manipulation of cds and dvds using runny yoghurt!
get interesting fractal images and fucked up music.http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg17924125.300

egg
14-04-2005, 09:53 AM
and could two people take a stand and face off Schmid-Hempel parasitismicism against Tomentellian fungism ?

LRJP!
14-04-2005, 08:32 PM
Is it true that John Cage went on a game show in Italy - and won - answering questions on Fungi as his specialist subject? I thought so, but now i'm doubting it...

sufi
15-04-2005, 12:45 AM
:eek: Exploding_head_syndrome (http://encyclopedia.lockergnome.com/s/b/Exploding_head_syndrome)

o i get that one occasionally,
but i don't get what you are suggesting this have to do with shrooms??? :eek:

http://www.trippystore.com/shop/images/items/po-50.jpg

nomos
15-04-2005, 02:45 AM
o i get that one occasionally,
but i don't get what you are suggesting this have to do with shrooms??? :eek:
Oh that was to do with that thing Helen said about the fungus that makes ants' heads explode. Then I remembered this 'exploding head' thing which I have on occassion when I'm sleeping.

Backjob
15-04-2005, 09:33 AM
That ant story reminds me of this great, but only tangentially relevant fact about a parasite that likes to live in cats, but is more commonly found in rats. It fucks with the rats brain, taking away its instinctive fear of cats to ensure the rat is eaten by a cat, thus passing the parasite on to the cat.

See! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/850556.stm)

mms
21-04-2005, 08:31 PM
That ant story reminds me of this great, but only tangentially relevant fact about a parasite that likes to live in cats, but is more commonly found in rats. It fucks with the rats brain, taking away its instinctive fear of cats to ensure the rat is eaten by a cat, thus passing the parasite on to the cat.

See! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/850556.stm)

no, that is truly brilliant.

mms
21-04-2005, 10:42 PM
oh yeah if you spread a very thin layer of runny yoghurt on a dvd and leave it till it goes off , then play it you get these mad fractal dvd images, the fungus fucks with the digital information and manipulates the picture, same with cds it fucks with the info on that and bends the tracks.
can't play them on computers tho, but they wont fuck up yr other players.

michael
22-04-2005, 12:52 AM
Do you clean the yoghurt off, or is it so thin that by the time the fungus is active there's nothing that needs wiping?

I just have visions of off yoghurt dripping through cd / dvd players. :|

Omaar
22-04-2005, 03:18 AM
Do you clean the yoghurt off, or is it so thin that by the time the fungus is active there's nothing that needs wiping?


yeah that was my question too ....

The fractal effect sounds exciting - I quite like the weird effects you get from badly encoded divx movies too, strange artefacts, this viscous noise that spreads from frame to frame.

Oyster mushrooms are superb in creamy kinda sauce.

I'm a big fan of shiitake too.

Anyone know of any good recipes? Asking on this thread seems somehow sacrilegeous ...

mms
22-04-2005, 08:51 AM
you can do either.

tryptych
22-04-2005, 08:45 PM
more on "fungus remixing" here:

http://www.swin.edu.au/maths/molecularmediaproject/molecularmedia.htm

and

http://www.nanosounds.com/

There's mp3 samples, still photos and movie clips (although the links didnt work for the quicktime files for me)

I think this stuff is amazing...

The yogurt thing, i think you want to put on a very thing layer and not wash it off, but it doesn't make it obvious in the New Scientist article. Experiment!

nomos
23-04-2005, 03:24 AM
those images are great. i have to try this. i wonder if it works as well on a home-burned dvd.

rob_giri
26-04-2005, 05:04 PM
Whoah! I go to the Swinburne high school a short walk from the university! Thats it i'm totally visiting this guy, don't think there is much fungal digital noise so far in the Melbourne scene...

jack_yggdrasil
28-04-2005, 11:44 AM
fooking ell. crazy shit.

trying to form crystals on a 12" might be interesting....
brokenneedlecore

nomos
15-07-2005, 08:36 PM
from the new-ish David Toop book Haunted Weater:

"tiny voltages produced by... Amanita muscaria, amplified and used as control signals for battery controlled oscillator."

Rambler
19-07-2005, 09:25 AM
Is it true that John Cage went on a game show in Italy - and won - answering questions on Fungi as his specialist subject? I thought so, but now i'm doubting it...

Yeah, that's completely true. He was a very knowledgeable mycologist.

mms
19-07-2005, 08:36 PM
the magic ones are now 1st division drugs or whatever you may call it .
people were practically giving them away at the weekend - which was nice .

nomos
24-09-2005, 05:26 PM
care of that welsh nature blog sufi posted...

http://xo.typepad.com/blog/2004/06/formidable_fung.html

Formidable Fungus Is World's Largest Organism

What is probably the largest living organism on earth has been discovered in the Malheur National Forest in eastern Oregon. A fungus living three feet underground is estimated to cover 2,200 acres. After testing samples from various locations, scientists say it is all one organism.

Officially known as Armillaria ostoyae, or the honey mushroom, the fungus is 3.5 miles across and takes up 1,665 football fields. The small mushrooms visible above ground are only the tip of the iceberg.

Experts estimate that the giant mushroom is at least 2,400 years old, but could be 7,200 years old.

nomos
03-01-2007, 10:15 PM
Cordyceps mushrooms infects the brain of its host before devouring the body (video)

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zhao
03-01-2007, 11:01 PM
I posted this a while back, but very relevant to the discussion of parasitism/behavior modification:

http://www.jwz.org/images/Ampulex_emerging.jpg

Wasp performs roach-brain-surgery to make zombie slave-roaches (http://www.boingboing.net/2006/02/03/wasp_performs_roachb.html)

and here is John trying to make zombie slave-mushrooms
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/gedney/photographs/CM/CM00/CM0075-72dpi.jpeg

zhao
03-01-2007, 11:19 PM
and you KNOW on my way home tonight I'm a pick me up some yoghurt...