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bandshell
19-02-2014, 04:13 PM
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IdleRich
19-02-2014, 04:17 PM
Not yet but I'm sure I will be.

yyaldrin
19-02-2014, 09:08 PM
It's real good I think. At least, until so far. I dunno why but I dislike most of recent (HBO) series. The only series I have ever completed were Twin Peaks and The Soprano's. I never understood the hype around series like Breaking Bad for example. This is something else though. Here's an article about some of the references to weird literature inside the serie, could be a spoiler I guess so don't read until you have seen the series up to episode two: http://io9.com/the-one-literary-reference-you-must-know-to-appreciate-1523076497

IdleRich
19-02-2014, 09:46 PM
Started Breaking Bad and it's ok but if it doesn't pick up a lot I aint gonna make it through. So much hype, was basically expecting the second coming of Christ but as a tv show.

IdleRich
19-02-2014, 09:51 PM
Read The King in Yellow a couple of weeks ago strangely enough.

yyaldrin
19-02-2014, 09:56 PM
Started Breaking Bad and it's ok but if it doesn't pick up a lot I aint gonna make it through. So much hype, was basically expecting the second coming of Christ but as a tv show.

I guess that's the thing with a lot of shows, everything is so hyped but I guess that's because they perfected the cliff hanger and some other tricks to keep people watching. Try True Detective though, it's really strange and unsettling until now, proper weird atmosphere and I hope it will go full mental.

IdleRich
19-02-2014, 10:00 PM
I certainly will but I want to make it at least to the end of the first series of BB. Don't like leaving things unfinished for some stupid reason.

allegiant
19-02-2014, 10:10 PM
Yep, binged the first 5 a few days ago.

Assumed I had a fairly good grip on what was happening until I started reading some of the fan theories and screenshots dissecting each episode. Only then did I realise just how many subtle details I'd casually overlooked.

Corpsey
20-02-2014, 10:29 AM
LOOOOOVE it. Best show since 'Game Of Thrones' came on the scene.

Best performance of McConaughy's career (wot I've seen). Brilliantly directed. Up until the last episode I thought it was cliched sort of stuff elevated by its execution but it seems like the plot/material has definitely thickened with the revelations that have happened.

Brother Randy Hickey
20-02-2014, 04:49 PM
i've rinsed the first 5 episodes this week. As brilliant as episode 4 is (wow! 6 minute tracking shot etc), episode 5 is even better...

just brilliant

crackerjack
04-03-2014, 07:36 PM
I certainly will but I want to make it at least to the end of the first series of BB. Don't like leaving things unfinished for some stupid reason.

BB doesn't really get going until S2.

True Detective is great, especially as Cohle's free-thinking reminds me of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKobmM2OnDc).

CrowleyHead
05-03-2014, 01:26 PM
Really despise BB and the American House of Cards. Can't stand fascination with malicious white men and relentless ambition right now.

True Detective I have cosmetic issues with, but beyond that, I actually am really really fond of it. The writer of the show though, I read his novel and.... YEeeeeeesh. It makes me nervous for Season 2 since they're going to swap out director and cast. Or at least I believe that's the plan.

Corpsey
05-03-2014, 08:03 PM
I have no idea how they're going to end it all in this last episode, seems like they're just getting started to me (or maybe that's just what I wish)...

I'm hoping all these references to cosmic horror (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcosa) are going to lead somewhere supernatural/super-creepy, would be an amazing climax to a show that, when it started, I thought was basically an extremely well done trad crime-drama.

Corpsey
05-03-2014, 08:13 PM
re: Crowley's comments on House of Cards and the changing of the guard on T.D... Ironically I wouldn't mind seeing David Fincher take a crack at it. I loved the way he depicted obsessive police procedure in ''Zodiac'' and (to a lesser extent) ''The Girl with The Dragon Tattoo'. Plus we KNOW he's great at creating tension and creepy atmosphere.

(sorta)SPOILERS

My prediction is that Rust and Marty will definitely not vanquish whoever is behind the murders, but will discover a cult/possibly a THING that the cult worships and both be killed (unless one of them is the murderer, which is possible). Then I'd imagine the next season will feature new true detectives discovering evidence of the same cult... Much in the same way that Lovecraft stories feature a variety of cursed people discovering hints of the same unspeakable gods.

BTW, bringing in Lovecraft as an obvious influence possibly casts the issue, raised in Emily Nussbaum's New Yorker piece (http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2014/03/03/140303crte_television_nussbaum?currentPage=all), of the show's apparent misogyny in a new light. Of course, Lovecraft's work is full of 'problematic' attitudes towards race and sex - arguably the stories are so powerful and fascinating precisely because they sublimate his darkest, more fearful feelings into tentacle-spouting fantasy instead of openly expressing them. At least, this is a fashionable interpretation of Lovecraft's work. I wonder if a similar psychoanalytic approach could be taken to 'True Detective'? Not so much towards the show's creator as towards its lead protagonists, both of whom have very strange attitudes towards women and who find those feelings ghoulishly echoed and exaggerated in the spectacle of a cult raping and sacrificing young women.

owengriffiths
06-03-2014, 12:11 PM
I was as cynical about Breaking Bad as anyone else, more so if anything. It really kicks off in the second disc of series two where it starts to compare pretty well with all the other highly regarded US TV shows. The third season is good but can't match that peak. I get the feeling that the reason it's so popular with people is not because of the outstanding good bits (which are often in short supply) but because people have low standards and are perfectly fine with the majority of the show which is merely okay.

And as this is likely to become the generic TV thread (lets face it it'll be one-two years before non torrent using non sky sub paying civvies like me get a look in with True Detective), I'll say that one of the key strengths of Boardwalk Empire is that so many of the characters are fresh off the boat. Yay or nay?

CrowleyHead
06-03-2014, 02:01 PM
Yeah I think Fincher's departure from HoC completely makes the show bankrupt, so having him invest himself in TD for a whole season would be quite fascinating.

I think a lot of the problem of a show like T.D. though comes from Pizzolatto. I've read his interviews and his work a bit now and I like the guy but he's in this very thing I don't get. This White Male Against The Grain Post-Atheist Thing. This isn't a man who has compulsion to exist outside of an idealized version of himself and how he wants to cut through the world that he so obviously holds disdain for. That's fair and all, but in doing so, he totally makes the rest of the world seem like a bunch of background scenery for his protagonists, and likewise women, persons of color, children to an obvious degree.

I was jokingly complaining about this on tumblr, but in the 6 minute long-shot, which by the way... Don't get me wrong, that was fantastically executed in ambition, result, and just everything else. But you have a Louisiana Trap-House in either 95 or 98 (memory fails me), full of dudes with not one Louisiana accent, and playing "Enter The 36 Chambers". Now the fact that the show's soundtracked by a country industry staple (who btw, does excellent work here and on Nashville, pretty much my two favorite TV shows of the moment) and the author is as stated and while I don't know the director's background, I also don't believe he was going for anything other than something that compliments the scene... But any bit of research into rap of the mid to late 90s shows that Louisiana has it's own essential scene and the notion of dudes listening to a at minimum three year old album like that seems a bit far-fetched to me. It kind of shows just how much these three collectively didn't care enough to think they were being inaccurate. This writer, bless him, he's talented, but he's so into his own little niche life that it's ridiculously exclusionary of a non-white male perspective.

At least for now.

Corpsey
06-03-2014, 06:44 PM
I feel like this has been the case in other HBO style shows I've seen - where thugs are listening to KRS One's latest material and Reflection Eternal instead of Jeezy or whoeverI dunno, maybe I've just got a one dimensional idea of what drug dealers listen to but to me it comes off like the white/middle-class writers have given the d-boys their taste.

CrowleyHead
06-03-2014, 09:58 PM
Oh no, there's always a certain level of disconnect between the people they're trying to present, and their accuracy to them. The Wire always had this issue where you have someone like Wee-Bay who had a Jacky Jasper (Kool Keith sidekick) poster in prison or listening to Def Jux records while they're having a party... It's ridiculously unrealistic.

The big difference though is that in shows like The Wire and Treme, there's a defined attempt to speak for people who traditionally get left out of America's thoughts... True Detective is not about that, and Pizzolatto seems kind of contemptuous of humanity. I get that's his THING, but it also speaks of a lot of lofty-tower mentality that I have to eyeroll a little bit at.

allegiant
07-03-2014, 05:40 PM
My prediction is that...

You're miles off, Corpsey.

It's going to be a far simpler, almost 'typical' conclusion than many people would've imagined - myself included. I never should've bothered with any of the conspiracy theories, regardless of how compelling they were.

Corpsey
08-03-2014, 06:31 PM
You saw it already?

baboon2004
09-03-2014, 03:34 PM
Started watching this, up to episode 4 so far. Loving it as entertainment - the leads' chemistry is amazing, and "Let's make the car a place of silent reflection from now on, okay?" my favourite phrase of the year so far..

The major plus point for me is that I buy into the main characters, and so the show isn't simply a 'what happened next?' addictive cliffhanger, as many shows often are (and Breaking Bad, imo, turned into that in season 5 when it no longer was possible to believe the characters. Btw Rich, keep watching beyond season one, it really does pick up in seasons 2-4)

Politically though, it's pretty regressive -the racialised nature of the violence in episode 4 was totally unnecessary, and it's an overwhelmingly male show, with women mostly reduced to victims of one kind or another.

The KRS /strip club combo seemed a bit of a clanger, was thinking that too, not that I have been to many Louisiana strip clubs.

baboon2004
09-03-2014, 04:04 PM
And as this is likely to become the generic TV thread (lets face it it'll be one-two years before non torrent using non sky sub paying civvies like me get a look in with True Detective)

you don't need to torrent, there's a huge number of reliable streams

CrowleyHead
09-03-2014, 09:52 PM
The KRS /strip club combo seemed a bit of a clanger, was thinking that too, not that I have been to many Louisiana strip clubs.

God, I blocked that out!!!

baboon2004
10-03-2014, 12:24 AM
i had to check once more, but yes, it did really happen.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/02/how-true-detective-will-end-what-we-know-up-to-episode-7-after-you-ve-gone.html

i liked this and the angle on how so many cliffhanger/twist-based series make the audience feel cheated -spoilers throughout up until episode 7 though - interesting Michelle Monaghan interview slip-up too that gives clues as to the finale.

muser
11-03-2014, 02:18 AM
^yea I was pretty disappointed to be honest. It definitely reached its peak ep 5. I'm not sure if my view is a bit skewered by my expectations though. I didn't know from the start it was only going to be 8 episodes so I was expecting it to meander alot more, the end felt kind of rushed, the characters felt alot more one dimensional and the pacing just seemed really off to me. I think reading all the intricate theories in reddit probably ruined it a bit aswell tbh because it created much higher expectations of what was to come. I was actually really hoping they were both going to die at the end, just to have a little bit of a curve-ball, ended up being no different from the end of a Beverly Hills Cop movie.

Corpsey
11-03-2014, 05:46 PM
SPOILERS FOT FINAL EPISODE BE HERE!!!

Was disappointed like everyone else, and the feeling of being let down only increases the more I think about the last episode.

I almost wonder if the whole thing was a haneke-esque thumb in the eye for people expecting something out of the ordinary, given how dismally routine the killer, his lair, his death were. And woody surrounded by his forgiving family. And the "is he dead?... NOPE!" switcheroo. And the GREEN EARS! �� I thought the last scene was touchingly performed by mcconaughey but the optimism somewhat unearned, particularly because they caught ONE GUY from an apparently large conspiracy ("I won't avert my eyes again"?).

A wonderfully executed show but the finale made me think that the big revelation was that it really WAS the clichéd gothic cop drama it seemed like initially after all.

Corpsey
11-03-2014, 05:55 PM
Another aspect I'd like to discuss is the creator's comment that he "doesn't care remotely about serial killers". I suppose I'm compromised in this debate by my fervent wish to see Cthulu's cousin emerge from the shadows twirling a tentacular tash, but it strikes me that a lack of concern with serial killers equates to a lack of concern with their victims. Hence the crowned prostitute becomes existential window dressing. I don't suppose there's anything wrong with using a child murdering cult as mis en scene for lonely white male character development necessarily. But it reminds me of breaking bad's lack of real concern with drugs and drug addiction.

Corpsey
11-03-2014, 05:56 PM
Almost as if these issues NEED to be connected to suburban white males in order to merit attention and awe.

baboon2004
11-03-2014, 11:04 PM
A wonderfully executed show but the finale made me think that the big revelation was that it really WAS the clichéd gothic cop drama it seemed like initially after all.

Spot on. The scenes with the killer at the beginning of the last episode were so full of that rote fear-of-inbred-white-trash bullshit, that I felt as if I'd streamed the wrong thing by mistake. Almost couldn't believe the same person made that episode as the others.

and I agree re Breaking Bad's (lack of) social politics. These shows leave a really bad taste, however technically good they are.

Corpsey
12-03-2014, 08:16 AM
This is why The Wire is still head and shoulders above most of these HBO style shows for me. Despite its flaws, including some silly storylines, I think it took a serious approach towards drugs, towards crime, towards politics.

allegiant
15-03-2014, 12:12 AM
You saw it already?
A journo friend from the US knew about the finale weeks ago and spilled the beans over IM. She warned me to prep for bitter disappointment and she wasn't wrong.

JWoulf
21-03-2014, 09:21 AM
The ending was disappointing yes, but it was never really that good to begin with. It was probably more a case of everybody wanting it to be good. In reality it was just a rather standard country noir/ southern gothic with the usual clichees, and Mcconaughey received great praise for playing not one but two sterotypes at once. The only thing it really had was great photography.

m99188868
21-03-2014, 01:59 PM
The only thing it really had was great photography.

Don't forget set design/location.

blacktulip
21-03-2014, 09:04 PM
Just back from meeting with the deed poll lady. Call me Reggie. Reggie Ledoux.

Mr. Tea
19-05-2014, 04:27 PM
Watched 5 episodes so far. Generally enjoying it but rather bracing myself for a disappointing ending after skimming this thread.

Quite apart from the plot, I'm really enjoying the general feel of the thing. Reminds me a bit of Twin Peaks (well, Lynch in general really) with an antiheroic protagonist who's almost an American and much darker version of Sherlock. I agree with the comments about Lovecraft but the 'weird fiction' reference is not Cthulhu but Robert Chambers' The King In Yellow (although HPL incorporated this into his own mythos, of course). And Cohle's great line about how "Death created Time for what it kills to grow in" is straight out of Burroughs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3kz4AUHe1M), isn't it? Actually the conjunction of what you might call 'low' horror (serial killers, violent drug gangs, scary rednecks etc.) with 'high' horror (the cosmicism/nihilism, Cohle's psychedelic flights of fancy) reminds me of nothing so much as Bolano's 2666.

Mr. Tea
19-05-2014, 04:50 PM
Regarding the show's 'politics' - is it really 'misogynistic' because it deals with a serial killer murdering women? I mean it may be a cop-show cliché but it's not as if it's something that never happens in real life. And as far as I can see the female characters are generally portrayed rather sympathetically, whereas of the two male leads one is a horribly damaged, misanthropic borderline sociopath and the other is a selfish, impulsive man-baby who can't keep his dick in his pants and throws his toys out of the pram when he's forced to deal with the consequences of his behaviour.

And griping about the exact choice of hip-hop to soundtrack a particular scene...I dunno, whoever said that may have a point but it just strikes me as, well, such a Dissensian thing to criticize a TV show for. OK, so plenty of people here know and care a lot more about rap music than I do, which is not saying a great deal, but is it that big a problem that it impairs your enjoyment of the show? I know it's not directly analogous but I can enjoy sci-fi without constantly going "...that wouldn't happen...that's not realistic...where'd they get that idea?".

And I kind of hate to say it but come on, hands up anyone here with actual first-hand experience of what black gangbangers were listening to in Louisiana crack dens in the mid-90s...

droid
19-05-2014, 04:54 PM
And Cohle's great line about how "Death created Time for what it kills to grow in" is straight out of Burroughs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3kz4AUHe1M), isn't it? Actually the conjunction of what you might call 'low' horror (serial killers, violent drug gangs, scary rednecks etc.) with 'high' horror (the cosmicism/nihilism, Cohle's psychedelic flights of fancy) reminds me of nothing so much as Bolano's 2666.

Ligotti, Ligotti, Ligotti, Ligotti, Ligotti, Ligotti.

Ligotti. ;)

droid
19-05-2014, 04:57 PM
Also, you're all being very hard on it in this thread. The ending was a minor let down, but not THAT bad.

The fact that it was so engaging DESPITE the tread-worn themes and subject matter is what's so remarkable about it, also the sense of sprawling, endless hopelessness in its depiction of people and place.

droid
19-05-2014, 05:00 PM
And just to bang my latest drum again - readers of Laird Barron may find some interesting resonances in the final confrontation.

Patrick Swayze
19-05-2014, 05:25 PM
the sense of sprawling, endless hopelessness in its depiction of people and place.

I would have liked it if this closeup (after Gilbough and Papania ask for directions) then panning out to the wider landscape had been the final shot of the series and he'd never been caught


http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/5319de1cecad04f6290acc97-1136-640/lawnmower%20man%20true%20detective.png

paolo
19-05-2014, 06:33 PM
A wonderfully executed show but the finale made me think that the big revelation was that it really WAS the clichéd gothic cop drama it seemed like initially after all.

That's enough for me. I was expecting/hoping TD would be a good old-fashioned murder mystery, and that's what it is (with added bonus existential angst)

I don't think I'll ever get bored of decent murder mystery stories

IdleRich
04-08-2014, 01:26 AM
Just watched the whole thing and I really enjoyed it. I wasn't really disappointed by the ending, it never really felt as though it were going to have a supernatural element to it as there was little to suggest that throughout. I guess it could be deemed unfair in that you couldn't really work out the murder but I just enjoyed the story all the way through. Brilliant murder mystery with philosophy thrown in. The acting and the atmosphere and the feeling of evil was really strong, I thought it was one of the darkest things I've seen. I'm quite in the mood for southern gothic at the moment I think.
Anyway, tired so won't write more - anyone know if the next series will deal with the unapprehended members of the occult ring or will it be a totally new story?

Mr. Tea
04-08-2014, 11:02 AM
Dunno if I mentioned this already but the palpable sense of immanent evil - like an evil that's generalized, an aspect of the geography of the region, quite apart from the actions or motives of any individual character - reminded me a bit of 2666. (Edit - ha, repeating myself as usual.)

Also loved the is-it-real-or-just-in-his-head quasi-supernatural elements, and the way this is introduced via the subjective experiences of an unreliable (drug-damaged, traumatized) narrator. In fact this aspect links the story to 'The Repairer of Reputations', the first story in The King in Yellow, which is narrated by a character whose version of events is highly debatable, to say the very least.

wise
04-08-2014, 05:36 PM
anyone know if the next series will deal with the unapprehended members of the occult ring or will it be a totally new story?

I think each series is whole unto itself with a new story, cast, etc.

Mr. Tea
05-08-2014, 09:30 AM
“America is not a young land: it is old and dirty and evil. Before the settlers, before the Indians... the evil was there... waiting.”

YES. One of my favourite lines from Burroughs or anyone else for that matter. http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=8186&p=249055#post249055


[Has anyone read a James Lee Burke novel called 'In the Electric Mist with Confederate Dead'? Saw the film adaptation with Tommy Lee Jones the other night and it struck me as very similar to TD; weather-beaten, maverick detective suffering from visions on the trail of serial killer who preys on working girls through the swampland of Louisiana.

Ha, not yet but IdleRich was telling me about this very film the other night in the context of TD, and now I really want to see it. Also need to watch Twin Peaks from start to finish I think, having only seen (ahem) peeks of it before now.

Re-read The King in Yellow recently, or at least the first four linked stories. Just so good, especially 'The Yellow Sign'.

Patrick Swayze
05-08-2014, 11:12 AM
“America is not a young land: it is old and dirty and evil. Before the settlers, before the Indians... the evil was there... waiting.”

Has anyone read a James Lee Burke novel called 'In the Electric Mist with Confederate Dead'? Saw the film adaptation with Tommy Lee Jones the other night and it struck me as very similar to TD; weather-beaten, maverick detective suffering from visions on the trail of serial killer who preys on working girls through the swampland of Louisiana.

yeah good film and book

film reminded me of something between TD and No Country... but I think that was just because of Tommy Lee Jones

IdleRich
05-08-2014, 03:29 PM
Both have Tommy Lee Jones and Kelly McDonald strangely enough.
I watched the Electric Mist film the other day and I fancied some more southern gothic stuff and decided that it was as good a time as any to embark on True Detective.

baboon2004
05-08-2014, 04:03 PM
Kelly McDonald should be in everything.

An interesting curio in the southern gothic mould, except from the songwriting side: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searching_for_the_Wrong-Eyed_Jesus

I saw Angel Heart recently for the first time - such a good set-up, such a disappointment in the end...

IdleRich
06-08-2014, 10:46 AM
What's wrong with the ending of Angel Heart? I thought it was great. Although it is slightly different from the book I think, can't remember how.

Mr. Tea
06-08-2014, 11:01 AM
Well a lot of people found the ending to True Detective disappointing, but I thought it was pretty good.

Ness Rowlah
09-08-2014, 03:13 AM
yeah good film and book

film reminded me of something between TD and No Country... but I think that was just because of Tommy Lee Jones

Great book (series), good movie. Read the first dozen off the Robicheaux-novels (the running, forever recovering alcoholic detective) but then dropped out of the series around 10 years ago. Like JLB's meandering language and use of dreams/half-reality as part of the story.

Haven't watched TD yet, but if I'm telling better half that's it reminds people of Robicheaux-novel scheduling should become easier as she has lapped up all the JLB novels, including Billy Bob Holland stuff and also his daughter's Alafair Burke books).

Mr. Tea
23-08-2014, 07:11 PM
True Detective season 2 will be "less dark" says HBO's programming director Michael Lombardo.

http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/true-detective-season-2-will-be-less-dark-and-hit/348996

Sounds rubbesh. :(

Mr. Tea
24-08-2014, 07:50 PM
The phrase "less dark" makes me think there'll be a hilarious cameo by Simon Pegg, for some reason.

Mr. Tea
25-08-2014, 12:58 PM
... or Coogan.

That would be wicked!

Patrick Swayze
25-08-2014, 01:47 PM
Like JLB's meandering language and use of dreams/half-reality as part of the story.

Haven't watched TD yet, but if I'm telling better half that's it reminds people of Robicheaux-novel scheduling should become easier as she has lapped up all the JLB novels, including Billy Bob Holland stuff and also his daughter's Alafair Burke books).

this is used in True Detective to some extent

owengriffiths
25-08-2014, 05:54 PM
One of the DVD extras in series one has the shows' creator interviewing the soundtrack guy (who also sings the theme tune). They talk about how they wanted to make the music sound like Louisiana but without having any 'Louisiana' music. They actually mention the criticism about East coast hip hop featuring in one of the scenes (Crowleyhead getting exposure), and pooh pooh the idea that just because characters would most likely be listening to southern tracks- they have to play southern tracks.

IdleRich
24-09-2014, 11:15 AM
It's not who I would have gone for... but I think that the first series was more down to story line and the performances that the director got out of the actors... maybe. Then I remember that they've got rid of the director too. New story, new cast, new directors... hope they haven't thrown out the baby with the bath water.

mistersloane
26-09-2014, 05:01 PM
I watched all of True Detective a few weeks back, and I can't remember a single thing about it other than it had Black Angels on the soundtrack and some shots that were nice but I can't remember what they were either. Couldn't even tell you the plot now. Poof, up in smoke, into the ether, bye bye TV show.

Leo
09-04-2015, 07:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OfU7CGY5DQ#t=22

CrowleyHead
22-04-2015, 03:20 PM
One of the DVD extras in series one has the shows' creator interviewing the soundtrack guy (who also sings the theme tune). They talk about how they wanted to make the music sound like Louisiana but without having any 'Louisiana' music. They actually mention the criticism about East coast hip hop featuring in one of the scenes (Crowleyhead getting exposure), and pooh pooh the idea that just because characters would most likely be listening to southern tracks- they have to play southern tracks.

Yeah, I fuck with the soundtrack/score dude, T-Bone Burnett, a lot TBH. He's responsible for the music for The Hunger Games movies (so he is the genius who decided to put Laurie Spiegel in there and thereby basically got her a decent check; he also constructed this really borderline GOTHY/apocalyptic song with Taylor Swift and some of her labelmates) and the song selections of the Nashville series (all actually written by professional Nashville singer-songwriters).

I think his soundtrack work is great in the context of the show, and obviously the Wu-Tang use is perfect for the scene. The line about them saying 'conjuring Louisiana without actually necessarily being Louisiana artists' is cool; it reminds me of say, the inadequacy of vision where David Simon's "Treme" is concerned.

At the same time though, if Burnett had been exposed to something like Concentration Camp, or even generally popular southern rappers like 8Ball & MJG or UGK... It could've conceivably gotten the atmosphere just as well.

I'm not mad at that though. I wonder if there are Louisiana people who find the application of Les Claypool's cartoon white trash aesthetic onto Louisiana cool or weird.

But yeah, Burnett is one of my favorite people in 'media' music right now. I'd love to yell at him for an hour. Hopefully he sticks around this season.

m99188868
22-04-2015, 04:05 PM
I'm more thrilled by High Maintenance signing to HBO than the renewal of True Detective, to be honest.

Mr. Tea
25-06-2015, 01:53 PM
Anyone able to recommend a good site for streaming the new series?

baboon2004
26-06-2015, 12:19 PM
watchseries-online.ch/

some links dodgy, 'zalaa' one works tho

CrowleyHead
08-07-2015, 02:59 PM
I'm sticking with it, you can't say the dialog's any worse really, its just these characters have yet to get the sort of sterile monologing ability, or that "back and forth through time" rise and fall effect. There's also so overtly a desire to shout out David Lynch, which is v. interesting to me because with the new Twin Peaks out and about...

The music is infinitely lesser though.

droid
08-07-2015, 04:10 PM
Yeah, I dont think its so bad. Still streets ahead of most of the shit on TV.

IdleRich
08-07-2015, 06:17 PM
I'm really enjoying this season, don't get all the moaning to be honest. It's kept the air of menace and feel of the first series despite having none of the same actors, director or location. This one feels much more complex in terms of story though - the first one gave you a murder in episode one and straight away you knew it was going to be about solving that, this time it's not so clear what it's actually about, even by episode three. I get the impression that this lack of a simple and immediate storyline is what's bugging a lot of the critics but for me it's a good thing.

SPOILERS

Of course, it's not perfect - I think it was a bit of a con having him shot and survive like that (why was the guy using rubber bullets for him?) and the start of the next episode was almost embarrassing in the way it borrowed so much from David Lynch. In fact, in Twin Peaks doesn't the exact same thing happen, he gets shot and has a surreal dream? It must have been a deliberate homage I suppose but it seemed a shame to me when True Detective has such a strong identity of its own - why borrow someone else's?
I think that Farrell is fantastic (he really looks so unhealthy) and while it seems to be fashionable to pick on Vince Vaughn I don't really know why. Plus I love the theme tune so there!

IdleRich
08-07-2015, 06:19 PM
Yeah, I fuck with the soundtrack/score dude, T-Bone Burnett, a lot TBH
He must be about a hundred years old by now right? Surprised he's still involved in things like this.

Ness Rowlah
11-07-2015, 04:20 AM
this is used in True Detective to some extent

It is indeed. Watched the first series now and although the serial killer plot is a bit boring by now (as has been been pointed out by someone else already in this thread) I did like it quite a lot in the end. I didn't rate it when I had just finished it, but there are several good reasons to watch it and I'll probably end up watching it again (I've done The Wire three time and TD is fairly rapid and lightweight compared). If you haven't watched it then watch it not for the plot, but for

1. The acting. Woody Harrelson is good and maybe trying hard to play a straight guy, but Matthew McConaughey is just a fucking magnet in this one.
2. The soundtrack. Any show which ends an episode with Townes Van Zandt's "Lungs" must be worth watching. T-BB has done sterling work with the tunes.
3. There is indeed that James Lee Burke feeling to some of the scenes and scenery - staples like Angola (Louisiana Penitentiary), Iberia parish and some of the plot is right out of JLB.
4. The hinted at supernatural back story - the "King of Yellow", the city of Carcosa and from there the writer's (in)direct references to HP Lovecraft, Ambrose Pierce, philisopers like Schopenhauer and Zappfe (and antinatalism). This might all be for show - but it lifts the series.

droid
11-08-2015, 11:09 AM
OK, season 2 was shit. I got really, really annoyed watching the finale. Well called bandshell. The atmos was good throughout but it didn't compensate for everything else being wrong.

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/features/what-went-wrong-with-true-detective-season-2-20150810

Mr. Tea
14-08-2015, 10:14 AM
I'm two episodes into the current series and, well, let's say I'm undecided at this point. Some interesting characters, although they might have gone a bit OTT with the 'dysfunctional misfit cop' stock figure by having not one but three characters fitting this description. (I mean, one the reasons the first series worked so well was the synergy between the straight-man character of Marty, who despite his various neuroses and weaknesses is still ostensibly the all-American small-town cop with a wife and kids, and Rust, the traumatized, drug-damaged, Nietzsche/Ligotti-quoting loner mystic.)

Some of the dialogue is frankly ridiculous, although "I'm gonna buttfuck your father with your mother's headless corpse" had me convulsed with glee.

I'm kind of prepared for a letdown based on comments I've read here and elsewhere, although I've downloaded it now so I'm loathe to stop watching unless it actually just gets proper shit.

Mr. Tea
14-08-2015, 11:16 AM
Also I really loved the weird/supernatural (or at least magic-realist) aspects of the first series and am really hoping they'll use some of that in this series. Basically the exact opposite of my attitude with regard to Thrones.

droid
14-08-2015, 11:32 AM
Stop now. Seriously. Its not worth it.

Mr. Tea
14-08-2015, 11:50 AM
But is it shit in the absolute sense, or just the nothing-like-as-good-as-the-first-series sense?

Dammit, and I was really looking forward to it. Ah well. Still got the second and third series of House Of Cards to watch, perhaps I'll get back on that.

droid
14-08-2015, 11:59 AM
I was where you are now when it started. Liked the creepy atmos and all the aerial shots, thought it was worth sticking with... but - its not just shit, its heroically bad in places and the rest is just bland nothingness. Best bit was the shootout in episode 4.

Mr. Tea
14-08-2015, 12:31 PM
The shootout at the end of the second episode was both amazing to watch and utterly ludicrous. Eight or ten cops armed with pistols take on a bunch of double-hard Mexican cartel types packing AKs and UZIs in the middle of a city in the middle of the day? And they don't, at any point, think "we're a bit out of our depth here, perhaps we should call in the SWAT team/Delta Force/Navy Seals"?

I dunno, maybe that actually just routinely happens in America.

Ness Rowlah
29-08-2015, 03:44 AM
Second that on second series being shit, it could have been good but this was just calamity of clichés. Cops with issues, death wishes being fullfilled, cabal of corrupt and powerful people doing orgies, stupid ending (final frames felt like a bad episode of Homeland), no McConaughey to carry it and so on.

And that girl in the depressing bar/hideout strumming the same song over and over - a David Lynch scene belonging on the cutting floor. All wrapped up for parody.

It was just on par with Amazon's "Bosch", in other words not very good.
I'll probably end up rewatching the first series, but the second will not get a second chance.

CrowleyHead
29-08-2015, 03:44 PM
The shootout at the end of the second episode was both amazing to watch and utterly ludicrous. Eight or ten cops armed with pistols take on a bunch of double-hard Mexican cartel types packing AKs and UZIs in the middle of a city in the middle of the day? And they don't, at any point, think "we're a bit out of our depth here, perhaps we should call in the SWAT team/Delta Force/Navy Seals"?

I dunno, maybe that actually just routinely happens in America.

The town is essentially a small town who wouldn't be able to afford its own SWAT team, and has a corrupt office that A) didn't want State Authority investigating further (as it'd only unearth the massive corruption within) and B) was probably hoping everyone involved would get massacred.

The police who responded had no idea the level of preparation they would be facing from the Cartel, nor were they adequately supported. If it weren't for the fact that McAdams and the Chips dude were trained in combat on a above-average level (which in itself is slightly unrealistic to have two people so TTG coincidentally get lined up in a team), it is entirely likely that State Support would come in to handle the situation. Granted the whole of the scene happens in the span of what, 3-4 minutes?

Even if support was provided, any sort of American Response team of a military police level couldn't get there without about 1.5-2 minute preparation and then at least 3-5 minutes with travel? That's all guesswork as far as I go, but yeah.

But these are things you'd have to consider, and the show doesn't REALLY do a great job of sewing up the connections adequately, its stuff you almost have to take notes and force the connection.

CrowleyHead
29-08-2015, 03:45 PM
And that girl in the depressing bar/hideout strumming the same song over and over - a David Lynch scene belonging on the cutting floor. All wrapped up for parody.


This was defiantly the worst aspect of the season, without question.

IdleRich
31-08-2015, 06:54 PM
I was ultimately disappointed in the second series, thought it started well and had good moments but in the end it kind of petered out. Was hoping the last episode would somehow pull it all together and raise it but in fact it was the opposite - lots of shooting and stuff but that's not really what I wanted from it.
Shame cos the acting was good and it started intriguingly with just a hint of occultism which I hoped was going to grow but instead they rowed right back from that and by the end it turned out to be totally incidental. I think that part of the issue was that the first series was about satanic child killers and after that anything else was not going to have much weight - yes it had the corruption angle of the first but it had nothing else beyond that (or did I miss something?).

griftert
02-09-2015, 02:06 PM
I watched the first episode of this...lol. Is Matthew McConaughey meant to be a 14 year old? Cringe inducing stuff.

benjybars
03-09-2015, 09:55 PM
Yeah second season was a major disappointment really. Acting wasn't all that bad.. thought Colin Farrell was surprisingly good actually. Vaughan a lot less convincing but certainly not terrible.

Thoughts on the Leonard Cohen soundtrack for the intro?

Ness Rowlah
04-10-2015, 03:20 AM
Yeah second season was a major disappointment really. Acting wasn't all that bad.. thought Colin Farrell was surprisingly good actually. Vaughan a lot less convincing but certainly not terrible.

Thoughts on the Leonard Cohen soundtrack for the intro?

Agreed on acting.

I blame Leonard Cohen for many things, but not the failure of TD S02.
Intro music was OK for this (big name actors, big name music - could have been much worse).

CrowleyHead
13-10-2015, 04:43 PM
I watched the first episode of this...lol. Is Matthew McConaughey meant to be a 14 year old? Cringe inducing stuff.

I honestly loved that aspect, because its v. easy if you're that kind of guy to over-identify with McConaughey. So in that regard I identified with every time Harrelson was like "I JUST WANT YOU TO STOP SAYING ODD SHIT." as a sort of reflex against how navel-gazey the show itself is.

Its a Buddy Cop series, the first season. Once they get rid of that element a lot of the charm is removed, and it becomes a lot more of the sentimentalist brooding that plagues Pizolatto's work, and his truly STAGGERINGLY BAD methods of writing dialog. The whole point of S1 is that its an internal dialog, the two elements fighting each other, in one stupid masculine archtype. Now he's gone and tried to spread it out between three people who he never bothers to flesh out properly except for Farrell's character.

Corpsey
15-10-2015, 04:57 PM
Read a great analysis of the first season in the New York Review of Books last week. It dismissed the show's actual story-line as hokum and praised the direction, the performances etc.

Edit: here it is http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2015/sep/24/true-detective-sympathy-devil/

The director of season 1 has a film out on Netflix currently about child soldiers in Africa "beasts of no name". I will have to check it out.