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IdleRich
25-11-2014, 11:45 PM
I'm really feeling a kind of EBM sorta sound at the moment. At least, it's what I think of when I say EBM. It's the pulsing, almost kinda trancey stuff - I don't want any gothic lyrics or stupid shouting or cheesey melodies, just things that sound like the ones I've found so far - which isn't many cos it's a really specific sound. See below


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vZtQ5Izcqg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knIwR274zik


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl5yVzL7PrU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc2S9YEEF_E

Anyone know any more tunes like that?

(It might even be that this isn't EBM - whatever, I don't know what it's called but I like the hypnotic quality. It seems to me that that is what something called electronic body music with the implied ability to mesmerise you and make your body move ought to sound like so that's what I call it)

Sectionfive
26-11-2014, 02:36 AM
sounds like Italo's delinquent kid brother, feelin it

First thing that came into my head isn't quite the same but close enough in feeling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMpr6xr8h0M & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGNWVxdHIDc



kind of thing there would be loads of though. Bobby Orlando and that crew probably went hardcore at some point in his career

mistersloane
26-11-2014, 08:56 AM
When acid was hitting and Ibiza was taking off, they called it New Beat, probably worth checking through some mixes on youtube (there seem to be loads). There were alot of silly voices though, it coming from Belgium and all that. I particularly liked this one :

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mistersloane
26-11-2014, 09:05 AM
This is hot too :

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JWoulf
26-11-2014, 09:41 AM
It's the sound of early front 242 no?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d8MJCta3-U


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4lpEm_Vja0

But perhaps with a litte less funk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwuB5WPbRhc

datwun
26-11-2014, 12:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93vzwvRKbpg
BANGER

m99188868
26-11-2014, 12:39 PM
Front 242 is probably the sound you're after. As mistersloane was saying though, it's very close to new beat.

Here is a genius minimix of original anthems:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CCODQf1xx0

And here is some more recent interpretation by Night Slugs' Lvis1990:

https://soundcloud.com/openingceremony/showtunes-oc-fw14-by-l-vis

nomos
26-11-2014, 03:20 PM
What I wouldn't give for 80s/early-90s Front 242 and Front Line Assembly without the vocals. (Or, in a more perfect world, with 00s Kylie Minogue vocals). I haven't come across many instrumentals.

These New Beat compilations have some good moments:
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Hard-Beat-1st-Compilation/release/208742
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Hard-Beat-2nd-Compilation/release/260971

Trillhouse
26-11-2014, 04:53 PM
Maybe EBM is not what you're looking for, that all goes a bit Nine Inch Nails pretty quickly and some of those tracks sound a little modern for EBM. But then the whole Euro Electro, EBM, Futurepop, Dark Rave, Industrial, Minimal Wave, High NRG, era seems pretty beguiling for the casual observer.

m99188868
26-11-2014, 05:10 PM
What I wouldn't give for 80s/early-90s Front 242 and Front Line Assembly without the vocals.

I agree, the vocals are pretty awful. Also: their live-presence was very military/goth-like.

These ones are maybe closer to what Idlerich might be after:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcLqm6ou5S0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDqkq9t3ovE

Both are easily found on new beat compilation disks.

Mr. Tea
26-11-2014, 05:15 PM
What I wouldn't give for 80s/early-90s Front 242 and Front Line Assembly without the vocals.

I don't mind De Meyers vocals in F242, in fact I think they're occasionally inspired ("ONE, YOU LOCK THE TARGET...", oh come OOON!) but yeah, FLA are a prime case of "play your damn Korg and shut the fuck up, please". So many of their tracks start out sounding like the music William Gibson must hear in his dreams and then Bill Leeb has to ruin it by opening his bleedin' gob.


(Or, in a more perfect world, with 00s Kylie Minogue vocals).

Ha, I'd buy *that* for a dollar!

I dunno if the mix on this page is still available, but I still listen occasionally: http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=12205 - more on the synthpop/coldwave side of things I guess, it's really great though.

IdleRich
26-11-2014, 05:21 PM
Thanks for replies. I think you're right MrSloane - the sound I'm after is basically a kind of speeded up new beat... but isn't that what trance is?
Anyway, I'm going to listen to those tips now and I'll report back, thanks all. I think I'll put together a mix of all this stuff when I've got a load of it if anyone is interested.

IdleRich
26-11-2014, 05:23 PM
OK - that Gotta be The Do Do thing is perfect except the vocal gives it a totally different feel. Funny how something (seemingly) so incidental to the whole track can change the direction of the sound like that.

IdleRich
26-11-2014, 05:28 PM
This is hot too :
Ha - strangely enough that was on one of our Invisible CIty mixes - it comes in after the bollywood track at about twenty-five min

http://www.mixcloud.com/lizatron/impossible-creature/

Sectionfive
26-11-2014, 05:56 PM
Funny how something (seemingly) so incidental to the whole track can change the direction of the sound like that.



I have come to love most of it but many an italo record has an awful chorus too far :slanted: Shame

New Beat was the (as far as I know UK) name for all the Belgian stuff that started coming through around 1991. There is an old Larry Levan interview on Kiss where Judge Jules is fairly evangelic about it. For the topic of this thread there might by a 'roots of' thing around given the iconic status R&S went on to have. Old New Beat, so to speak. I think a lot of it was closer to electro but I guess you will maybe find that one banging cut on the b side as house and 4/4 came back into fashion. Would be a place for Moroder here too and a lot of stuff he influenced that was around 133bpm

IdleRich
26-11-2014, 05:59 PM
It's the sound of early front 242 no?
Kind of, but they're a bit more stompy and less trancey somehow I always find. The second track there is nearest to the sound I mean. But the third has another thing I was gonna ask about at some point cos I'm a sucker for it, which is vaguely mystical sounding, vaguely Arabic motifs put over the top of new beat type tunes. That would merit a thread in itself.

IdleRich
26-11-2014, 06:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93vzwvRKbpg
BANGER
Ha, Ollie (Mr Tea I mean) recommended that to me yesterday.

IdleRich
26-11-2014, 06:09 PM
What I wouldn't give for 80s/early-90s Front 242 and Front Line Assembly without the vocals. (Or, in a more perfect world, with 00s Kylie Minogue vocals). I haven't come across many instrumentals.
That's what I was saying - so many of the vocals are awful shouty things. Sometimes less is more. People always complain about the vocals on this tune (and I can see why) but at least they are annoying in a different way from usual


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J0WtazHwQc

IdleRich
26-11-2014, 06:12 PM
Maybe EBM is not what you're looking for, that all goes a bit Nine Inch Nails pretty quickly and some of those tracks sound a little modern for EBM. But then the whole Euro Electro, EBM, Futurepop, Dark Rave, Industrial, Minimal Wave, High NRG, era seems pretty beguiling for the casual observer.
Well, that's what I said above isn't it? I don't give a fuck what it's called, it's tunes that sound like these ones I like.
In fact this is what I said


(It might even be that this isn't EBM - whatever, I don't know what it's called but I like the hypnotic quality. It seems to me that that is what something called electronic body music with the implied ability to mesmerise you and make your body move ought to sound like so that's what I call it)

IdleRich
26-11-2014, 06:24 PM
"I have come to love most of it but many an italo record has an awful chorus too far Shame"
I didn't mean to imply that there was anything wrong with the vocal on that one you tipped though. It worked in the tune, it's just that today I'm asking for tunes of another kind and being unnecessarily picky. I think it's worth making that distinction cos many of these new beat/ebm/industrial kinda things have vocals that generally are really terrible.


New Beat was the (as far as I know UK) name for all the Belgian stuff that started coming through around 1991. There is an old Larry Levan interview on Kiss where Judge Jules is fairly evangelic about it. For the topic of this thread there might by a 'roots of' thing around given the iconic status R&S went on to have. Old New Beat, so to speak. I think a lot of it was closer to electro but I guess you will maybe find that one banging cut on the b side as house and 4/4 came back into fashion. Would be a place for Moroder here too and a lot of stuff he influenced that was around 133bpm
Yeah, new beat was the Belgian stuff - supposedly influenced by djs playing A Split Second - Flesh at 33pm instead of 45 - that is really slow and heavy and churned out by the bucketload in the early nineties. I guess cos the parties went on for days so you needed loads and loads of tunes.
I have quite a few comps and even some twelves though ninety percent of it is pretty cheesey. Pleased to see that Plastic Bertrand of Ca Plain Pour Moi fame jumped on the bandwagon - think I've got the single of this somewhere in fact.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DDxaHpJRvY

But I digress...

Mr. Tea
26-11-2014, 08:34 PM
This is hot too :

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I like this, the general vibe reminds me a lot of Stakker/Humanoid, nahmean?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQc48LbsI6o

Edit: I can see the resonance of this with Italo-disco, but that's a genre that's always intimidated me a little. I mean, one does not simply walk into Moroder...

Mr. Tea
26-11-2014, 08:39 PM
But the third has another thing I was gonna ask about at some point cos I'm a sucker for it, which is vaguely mystical sounding, vaguely Arabic motifs put over the top of new beat type tunes. That would merit a thread in itself.

Indeed it did, sorta: www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=12924

And Craner posted a link to that very same F242 tune.

IdleRich
26-11-2014, 09:54 PM
I always like the sound of Powell but I'm yet to be totally convinced. What do you reckon is his best tune?

Immryr
27-11-2014, 09:58 PM
ed dmx has a very ebm-y ep which may be what you're after.
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i also like the v/vm new beat stuff

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luka
28-11-2014, 12:55 AM
Ed dmx used to contribute to Dissensus under the name Edward

IdleRich
28-11-2014, 10:43 AM
Yes he did. Funny if what I'm looking for was right under my nose the whole time. That tune is pretty nice.

mistersloane
28-11-2014, 03:43 PM
What I wouldn't give for 80s/early-90s Front 242 and Front Line Assembly without the vocals. (Or, in a more perfect world, with 00s Kylie Minogue vocals).

hahahaha please let this happen. PLEASE. hahahahahaha.

mistersloane
28-11-2014, 03:47 PM
But the third has another thing I was gonna ask about at some point cos I'm a sucker for it, which is vaguely mystical sounding, vaguely Arabic motifs put over the top of new beat type tunes. That would merit a thread in itself.

I think if you would loop some early F242, and then add Arabic lines, and some Kylie vocals, then we would have, like, some form of heaven for a moment

Leo
28-11-2014, 04:00 PM
I think if you would loop some early F242, and then add Arabic lines, and some Kylie vocals, then we would have, like, some form of heaven for a moment


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3ov9USxVxY

ok, not exactly but...

Mr. Tea
28-11-2014, 04:33 PM
Kyliegauze242 hotly tipped as *the* pop-dance sensation of 2015 by anonymous internet music mavens, yesterday

mistersloane
01-12-2014, 11:24 AM
Hahaha Kylie got there already, check this out :

https://soundcloud.com/carloscfreitas/kylie-minogue-all-the-lovers-1?in=carloscfreitas/sets/kylie-minogue-all-the-lovers

Leo
02-12-2014, 01:31 PM
for what it's worth: http://www.factmag.com/2014/11/27/20-best-ebm-industrial/

IdleRich
02-12-2014, 03:14 PM
I saw that a while back thanks. Interesting list in its own right but not exactly what I'm looking for here.
I think I'm going to put together a mix of the kind of thing I mean so maybe that will clear it up (when I've done it and it's too late).

bruno
09-12-2014, 01:35 AM
i think you would enjoy kim rapatti/mono junk, he likes his heavy synth/ebm/acid with the occasional weird vocal, for example:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISd-JrDl0dY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov1nOI9c3tk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L54iXej4lYQ

mistersloane
09-12-2014, 07:48 AM
Was checking out Sigue Sigue Sputnik demos the other day, they sound really good. Before they got Moroder in to produce them, funnily, he didn't add anything at all. Just totally relentless, 192bpm. I hadn't realised how good they were. Obviously knew Love Missle but didn't realise the ...effect...over 30 minutes or so.

This tune in particular, obvious about influences etc but just sounds great

http://youtu.be/SVyHV6r2g1o?t=45m7s

Listen to that one then go back and start from the beginning, the last tune is a dog.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVyHV6r2g1o

IdleRich
13-12-2014, 03:00 PM
Nice one Bruno - exactly the right sound... though the first tune is, dare I say it, a bit boring. Much prefer the next one and the one after with visuals from Pusher.
Sloane - I know nothing about Sigue Sigue Sputnik - kinda remember the Love Missile with some numbers tune but beyond that... weren't they kinda the next big thing that never happened? I will listen with interest.
The last tune is a dog - is that a good thing or a bad thing?

bruno
14-12-2014, 02:37 AM
Nice one Bruno - exactly the right sound... though the first tune is, dare I say it, a bit boring.
true, i was looking for something else and put that instead because of the photo.

this sounds like it could fit here (old)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-qOpZJoumE

and this is not half bad..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpVFu2CnAxw

IdleRich
14-12-2014, 06:16 PM
Nice - reminds me of this somehow, or maybe it's cause I was just listening to it


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4WO1uMP2B0

bruno
14-12-2014, 11:23 PM
wow, that's very good. it's the same spirit if not source (vaguely carpenter/howarth). conny schnitzler also has a ton of stuff that is metronomic/sinister and would fit the theme, perhaps time-stretched.

going back to the original template (abm, etc.) there is a sentimentale jugend/borsig werke track that fits the bill completely but is not on youtube, i've seen it variously as tote kammer and pour mon bibi, neither track on yt is the one i'm thinking of. it's very rhythmic, lasts 1.45 and can be found on the cassetencombinat west berlin comp.

i love this thread by the way, it's good to narrow down.

tttku
15-12-2014, 09:33 AM
always liked this George Clinton remix of nizer ebb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnDt51pknvA Sorry derail a little

Mr. Tea
16-12-2014, 10:58 PM
I know there's already a thread for home-made music, but I thought I'd stick this here as it's quite close in feel to some of the stuff already posted. It's more or less still a sketch. Comment welcome, I'm still pretty much a n00b at this.

<iframe src="https://www.mixcloud.com/widget/iframe/?feed=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mixcloud.com%2Foliver-harris%2Fsid-viscous-feel-it-passive%2F&amp;embed_uuid=5ee6d183-5f1d-4d66-bd9d-088c34160e04&amp;replace=0&amp;hide_cover=1&amp;embed_type=wid get_standard&amp;hide_tracklist=1" frameborder="0" height="180" width="660"></iframe><div style="clear: both; height: 3px; width: 652px;"></div><p style="display: block; font-size: 11px; font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; margin: 0px; padding: 3px 4px; color: rgb(153, 153, 153); width: 652px;"><a href="http://www.mixcloud.com/oliver-harris/sid-viscous-feel-it-passive/?utm_source=widget&amp;amp;utm_medium=web&amp;amp;utm_camp aign=base_links&amp;amp;utm_term=resource_link" target="_blank" style="color:#808080; font-weight:bold;">Sid Viscous - Feel It (passive)</a><span> by </span><a href="http://www.mixcloud.com/oliver-harris/?utm_source=widget&amp;amp;utm_medium=web&amp;amp;utm_camp aign=base_links&amp;amp;utm_term=profile_link" target="_blank" style="color:#808080; font-weight:bold;">Oliver Harris</a><span> on </span><a href="http://www.mixcloud.com/?utm_source=widget&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;utm_campaign=bas e_links&amp;utm_term=homepage_link" target="_blank" style="color:#808080; font-weight:bold;"> Mixcloud</a></p><div style="clear: both; height: 3px; width: 652px;"></div>

mistersloane
19-12-2014, 02:36 PM
Nice one Bruno - exactly the right sound... though the first tune is, dare I say it, a bit boring. Much prefer the next one and the one after with visuals from Pusher.
Sloane - I know nothing about Sigue Sigue Sputnik - kinda remember the Love Missile with some numbers tune but beyond that... weren't they kinda the next big thing that never happened? I will listen with interest.
The last tune is a dog - is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Dog = bad thing.

Was just checking them out (some random strand...) and was surprised at how much better they were than I had thought at the time, when I thought they sounded tinny and weak. I hadn't realised they were actually playing live and sounding like that, and all their songs were one bpm, and I kinda like the whole um trip.

IdleRich
20-12-2014, 07:23 PM
I kinda thought that that was what you meant but cos you were enthusing about some of their output I wasn't quite sure.
There is an overlap with italo and John Carpenter style soundtracks here - the thing is though, a lot of "soundtracks for films that haven't been made" stuff is really tedious. I really like this one though and just ordered a copy at some expense


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adnjCqeu590

I guess the only idea here is "let's make a really cool big bass noise" - but it's a good idea as far as I'm concerned.