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Woebot
02-01-2015, 12:32 PM
saw something recently about how the future has been cancelled. it was especially in reference to music where, yes, i reckon you could make a reasonably good case for that. IMHO in music it's all about there no longer being any money in it.

however despite the stranglehold of hipsteRetro culture the future is alive in other areas of culture/life. here's what i believe to be some good examples:

1- sunset overdrive


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_LmilGAhaM

this self-reflexive game is great, completely original and masses of fun. there's no way something like this could have been made 10 years ago.

2. Dawn of the Planet of The Apes

woah! yes - hang on it - it might be a reboot of an old franchise - but apart from that there is precisely nothing retro about this movie. also the animation of the apes is frankly startling. again, there's no way something like this could have been made 10 years ago.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sHMCRaS3ao

rubberdingyrapids
02-01-2015, 01:47 PM
i like that planet of the apes movie a lot and agree that you couldnt have done that in the 90s. but arent these two things more to do with technological progress and development rather than what i presume most people who lament the lack of 'future' are talking about, that our notion or imaginary idea of the future isnt what it was? i doubt anyone would argue that in terms of technology, we arent hurtling into the futuIre. so actually, i think there is an optimism for a/the future, its just not one anyone cares to really see in the films, or music of now (the most interesting/memorable films about the Future that have come out most recently have been not about a scary dystopia, but about very near futures, which we are almost already in, like spike jonze's her). all that drive and motivation has just gone elsewhere.

luka
03-01-2015, 10:23 AM
I feel like I'm living in the future. Smart phones with Internet and gps drone warfare Tupac hologram rapping on Stage

HMGovt
03-01-2015, 01:28 PM
Space exploration seems to be taking off again.

Planetary Resources (http://www.planetaryresources.com/2013/11/heres-why-asteroid-mining-will-fuel-human-expansion-into-the-cosmos/) have a business plan to capture and mining asteroids (unfortunately their first orbiter was destroyed when the launch rocket exploded last year)
Elon Musk's Space X is developing a hovering launch and return rocket (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZDkItO-0a4) and a space capsule with a bit of interior design (http://www.space.com/26068-elon-musk-spacex-dragon-v2-glam-reveal.html)
Talk of Alcubierre and other exotic drives (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/ideachev.html)
Talk of an Impulse drive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodward_effect)
Solar panelling the Moon (http://inhabitat.com/japanese-corporation-plans-to-turn-the-moon-into-a-massive-solar-power-plant/)
The beautiful Skylon (http://www.reactionengines.co.uk/space_skylon.html) project

trza
03-01-2015, 04:02 PM
I think somebody is spying on me. Little men in tubes kinda stuff.

luka
03-01-2015, 04:03 PM
they are spying on you bruv cos they have hacked your webcam to get footage of your 'wank face'

CrowleyHead
04-01-2015, 01:38 AM
The future's happening and its great/terrible but nerds need to stop pretending it's going to look like some awful anime from 1987.

Woebot
04-01-2015, 09:15 PM
i like that planet of the apes movie a lot and agree that you couldnt have done that in the 90s. but arent these two things more to do with technological progress and development rather than what i presume most people who lament the lack of 'future' are talking about

well the litmus test i've heard those lamenting the end of the future has been: "can you imagine this seeming new ten years ago?"

with music this works - anything from 2014* would seem completely familiar. but, for instance, play 1994-era jungle to someone in 1984 and they wouldn't begin to comprehend it.

however, to my mind it only applies to music. and to make an argument based on the end of the future based on that is fatuous.

with regards to technological invention - certainly there's something with this - but if you're feeling harsh some of the progress actually seems predictable (the future of WIRED magazine?) - though HMGovt gives some really good examples of things that have that disorientating quality to them.

*only a day or two in 2015 thus far - tee hee

craner
04-01-2015, 09:21 PM
Ingram vs. Fisher, innit?

droid
05-01-2015, 10:28 AM
Having just bought into gaming again with a PS4 for the kids, one thing I will say is that its more reminiscent of 1985 rather than a decade ago. Whose idea was it to make online updates and connectivity a crucial part of video games? My Atari 800 was faster at loading plus it didnt get bricked for days due to server ddos attacks, and that came out in 1979.

rubberdingyrapids
05-01-2015, 06:44 PM
id say all the old mediums (film, music, etc) are generally not the places to look for the future anymore... but ive always wondered what sci fi people think of modern sci fi compared with old sci fi? sometimes i flick through wired or look at modern gadgets and think that a lot of gadgets are obv inspireed by old sci fi, so am wondering if modern sci fi's vision of the future is more rich and imaginative and improbable than it was in the past or if the real world has caught up with old sci fi.

Mr. Tea
05-01-2015, 09:38 PM
...or if the real world has caught up with old sci fi.

Back to the Future II is set in 2015. I WANT MY HOVERBOARD!

craner
05-01-2015, 09:43 PM
Gigantic holographic Jaws

trza
05-01-2015, 10:01 PM
Don't forget 3d movies.

Mr. Tea
05-01-2015, 10:15 PM
Gigantic holographic Jaws

For a split second there I misread "Jaws" as "Jews"... :confused:

bruno
06-01-2015, 04:57 AM
i'm not sure why, but i find it hard to be enthused about the future and find solace in the past future (even ancient past future, such as the utopias) instead. why is it that the immediate future of widespread surveillance, drone war, reality manipulation via persona management software, etc. eclipses to the point where a probe landing on a moving comet near saturn, which should be thrilling and a source of wonder, instead feels oddly anachronistic, as if for a different audience? that little probe is lonelier than the voyager probes which carry discs of music and images of us and are hurtling away forever. sometimes i feel we are in a twilight future of technology beneath our potential (iphones, etc.) and things out of reach such as private space exploration and a surveillance matrix that are simply too cold and depressing to think about. we are too near the future and i'm not sure i like it.

HMGovt
06-01-2015, 10:41 AM
Back to the Future II is set in 2015. I WANT MY HOVERBOARD!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSheVhmcYLA

Slightly crap hoverboard now available.

craner
06-01-2015, 01:05 PM
The only thing we, as a species, should be doing is working out how to get off this planet and out of our solar system, because the sun is going to die one day. Our time is limited.

Mr. Tea
06-01-2015, 01:12 PM
The only thing we, as a species, should be doing is working out how to get off this planet and out of our solar system, because the sun is going to die one day. Our time is limited.

Haha, yep, that's definitely the most pressing thing to worry about right now - the sun.

I appreciate that you're probably joking, but anyway...

craner
06-01-2015, 02:01 PM
We've only got about 5 billion years to sort this out. And that's if we manage to avoid being hit by a massive asteroid in the meantime.

firefinga
06-01-2015, 03:07 PM
To look for "future" in products of popular culture IMO won't get you that far. Sci Fi? I am in my mid30s now and haven't read any current SciFi for 15-20 years so I wouldn't know anything about it.

The few times I am personally confronted with "future" I didnt ask for it's "promises" - 2 examples:

High Definition TV or smartphones.

I couldn't care less about the first, and not much about the latter. I don't have a HD TV set and don't plan on buying one any time soon. Smartphone I got one, bc I need a mobile phone for my job and my old one finally died on me after 9 years.

Next thing: 3D cinema. I am a movie buff and couldn't care less either. It's a bloody gimmick that doesnt make any movie better IMO.

Popmusic and the "future"? In popmusic it's often about the immediate future more than anything else, meaning as a listener I (used to) be lal excited about the question "Now, with what will they come up next?". This is certainly gone to a great extent, and there might be many combined reasons for this.

So, me thinks the future indeed isn't promising much worth waiting for/working towards it these days

HMGovt
06-01-2015, 09:40 PM
The only thing we, as a species, should be doing is working out how to get off this planet and out of our solar system, because the sun is going to die one day. Our time is limited.

This is the big issue that should decide the 2015 election. Heavy emphasis on SHOULD.

Britain made something like 500 Spitfires a month at the height of the Battle of Britain. We should now be making 500 Skylons a month (lifting cargo for 400/kg rather than the currenty 10,000/kg), build a generation ship at L1 with an interior surface area equivalent to that of the British Empire at its height, take our vast national stash of fissionable material currently stored in cooling ponds at Sellafield with us, call our new home Pan-Churchillia and then decide which of the 8 newly-discovered Goldlilocks zone planets (http://www.universetoday.com/117881/new-finds-from-kepler-8-new-worlds-discovered-in-the-habitable-zone/) we like best and decide what to do from there.

craner
06-01-2015, 09:47 PM
Fuck, that's a good plan, man.

It's a serious issue. I mean, otherwise we're all doomed.

craner
06-01-2015, 09:48 PM
I've been thinking about this since I was about 6, when I first read my Hamlyn guide to the Solar System.

trza
06-01-2015, 09:49 PM
More than likely that USA will attempt GeoEngineering "solutions" that will backfire and seriously damage the planet in the next ten to twenty years. Most likely scenario has some humans left living on the surface, while others retreat to underground lairs and evolve underground dwelling features like antennae and maybe go blind, only returning to the surface to begin conflict with those who stayed on the surface.

craner
06-01-2015, 09:50 PM
I have to admit, I was a bit distracted by hydrogen bombs for a while there.

HMGovt
06-01-2015, 09:54 PM
More than likely that USA will attempt GeoEngineering "solutions" that will backfire and seriously damage the planet in the next ten to twenty years. Most likely scenario has some humans left living on the surface, while others retreat to underground lairs and evolve underground dwelling features like antennae and maybe go blind, only returning to the surface to begin conflict with those who stayed on the surface.

The USA will not be remembered fondly, that place is a dead end, shot their bolt at the moon, it's been decline ever since. Like the Most Serene Republic of Genoa. Who? What? Historical has-been and also-ran.

Britain hasn't had a proper crack at space yet. I'm probably going to go Full Luka and launch the UK Interstellar Party.

HMGovt
06-01-2015, 09:58 PM
I have to admit, I was a bit distracted by hydrogen bombs for a while there.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Project-Orion_propulsion-module_section.png/660px-Project-Orion_propulsion-module_section.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_%28nuclear_propulsion%29)

Partly a British invention. Freeman Dyson brought the maths.

One of the tragedies of the UK is how most of the nations smartest engineers and mathematicians, adventurers, are holding out for their next city bonus and a townhouse in Cheyne Walk rather than building a framework for infinite civilisational expansion. Daft, deluded cunts.

luka
06-01-2015, 10:03 PM
Pleased to hear it hm guv
A massive social media campaign is in order

HMGovt
06-01-2015, 10:19 PM
Pleased to hear it hm guv
A massive social media campaign is in order

Kickstarter all the way mate. I've thought this through just now. What will really be compelling about the proposed large scale spacecraft will be its nose cone. It will be nothing less than a brick-for-brick replica of the Elizabeth Tower (fka Clock Tower aka Big Ben) that guides us into the great grimy firmament. Or maybe just uproot and use the real thing.

droid
07-01-2015, 09:57 AM
The idea of mass physical interstellar travel is ridiculous. What you want is non-corporeal colonisation.

HMGovt
07-01-2015, 10:17 AM
The idea of mass physical interstellar travel is ridiculous. What you want is non-corporeal colonisation.

The science to build whopping great spaceships is within our grasp and understanding, the science to upload a consciousness to silicon, graphene, or whatever is nowhere in sight. Would be ridiculous to put everything on hold until soul chips became a reality.

droid
07-01-2015, 11:00 AM
Sure, and lets build another Hindenburg while we're at it. ;)

Mr. Tea
07-01-2015, 12:20 PM
I'm not sure where I stand on the whole question of interstellar travel - I mean, it's a wonderful idea and we're at least a good part of the way there with the technology, as HMGovt says - it just seems a bit daft to concentrate on that while the terrestrial environment is in such dire peril. But it sure is a damn sight more interesting than smartphones and HDTV.

HMGovt
07-01-2015, 12:28 PM
it just seems a bit daft to concentrate on that while the terrestrial environment is in such dire peril.

Surely that's why, spread our bets a little. I don't think the whole of world's research effort would be needed and who can tell what the world-saving spin offs would be. Hypervelcro, just imagine, man. And it's clear now that if we want to maintain a technological civilisation and it's luxuries like light, heat and not dying from treatable illnesses, developing the sort of energy sources that would power interstellar travel will become a pressing need anyway.

droid
07-01-2015, 12:49 PM
Surely that's why, spread our bets a little. I don't think the whole of world's research effort would be needed and who can tell what the world-saving spin offs would be. Hypervelcro, just imagine, man. And it's clear now that if we want to maintain a technological civilisation and it's luxuries like light, heat and not dying from treatable illnesses, developing the sort of energy sources that would power interstellar travel will become a pressing need anyway.

Face it, we've missed the boat. Burned too much oil. Fired our second stage boosters whilst clamped to the ground. Only long term prospect for survival is in the mind.

Mr. Tea
07-01-2015, 04:26 PM
Maybe hypervelcro will turn out to be *the* killer app to stop climate change in its tracks and I'll have to eat my words.

Or maybe I'll have to eat my words because there will simply be sod-all else to eat.

datwun
16-01-2015, 11:29 AM
After the failure of the Copenhagen conference I kind of lost all hope of humanity lasting another 150 years in anything like it's current form, and also the desire to do anything about my own carbon footprint lol. Can't really imagine any scenario in which we're not extremely fucked in the mid-future.

That said, I know this on an intellectual level, but if I were to actually feel it emotionally the only thing to do would be kill myself lol. So I act as though I personally, and the world as a whole has a future, even though if I live to 80, the world I die in will almost certainly be very very shitty.

So ignoring our impending doom:
I still feel there are parts of popular culture - dance music for instance - that are inching towards a future - but rather than that total rejection of the past, the massive anxiety of influence and the desire to run away from your influences as much as possible, it's like, people are very very comfortable with using the past for influence, see nothing wrong with trying on past styles, but see 'the future', and innovation and weirdness as their way of updating those past traditions and putting their own stamps on it. Stuff like trap and deep tech's very much got this have-your-cake-and-eat-it metamodernist - http://www.metamodernism.com - vibe re the future and past.

In terms of literature I'd say Tao Lin and that whole alt-lit scene passes that 'couldn't have been done 10 years ago' test - and not just in subject matter, but on a formal level - a texture to the writing that wouldn't exist without the internet.

With fashion there's stuff like this http://smoooothclothing.com/full-printed/crewneck-sweatshirts - like very very high res screen printing, which I think is like, the only look which we could call definitively now and not 90s, 80s etc.

Film: Nollywood's always seemed V pulp modernist to me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owTJJrHjNTE

Retromania nails it in terms of why its so difficult to conceptualize/create a future when the past is so extensively archived and easy to access - and even on an almost mechanical level like, when pop music was 20 years old in the 70s, any given year had a pretty high chance of bringing with it some of the greatest pop music ever. now that it's in its 60s, the chance that anything released in a given year will be of historic quality is much much lower, which really increases the incentive to be retro.

But like, I do feel if people were more interested in the future, and more embarrassed about being retro, there'd be a lot more way cooler shit. I feel like the task of culture geeks like everyone on here is to make people feel ashamed for replicating the past without mutating it.

Woebot
19-01-2016, 10:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANv5UfZsvZQ

PiLhead
20-01-2016, 12:42 AM
has anyone noticed how active NASA's publicity department is these days? Not a week seems to go by where they don't flag up some new discovery about space, or planned mission, or the movements of something they've got up there

i don't know if it's just that they've got a better publicity relations dept, or whether it's strategic - keep visible in order to hustle continued levels of funding from the US government - or whether they actually are doing more stuff than they were

certainly they LOOK like they're up to a lot c.f. the dormant public profile of the 2000s

i don't know if it's having any effect on public appetite or interest in outer space (seems like an uptick in the number of films set in space)

would be nice to think there's a renaissance of popular excitement about Mankind's next big adventure etc although probably would made more sense to focus all energies on fixing the looming problems facing terrestial existence....

Woebot
24-01-2016, 01:14 PM
has anyone noticed how active NASA's publicity department is these days? Not a week seems to go by where they don't flag up some new discovery about space, or planned mission, or the movements of something they've got up there

these people seem to be disseminating that info

http://www.planetary.org/

Ness Rowlah
04-02-2016, 03:00 AM
"I want the future now, I want to see it on the screen" (Peter Hammill, 1978).

The Drone Racing League -
there's no way this could have happened (well maybe by US Mil?) a decade ago.

Looks like a live version of Wipeout (PS1 game, since seen elsewhere).

There was a 3-4 minute thing on BBC News last night, but does not seem
like the footage is available yet, but there's loads elsewhere including.

Bloomberg, with some of the day-glo glory seen in the BBC piece
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-01-26/new-drone-racing-league-wants-to-be-the-next-nascar

Wired, last year
https://vimeo.com/144382504