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IdleRich
04-01-2015, 07:41 PM
As I mentioned in the London dying thread, I saw this top 25 clubs in Europe (mainland Europe, not including the UK) in the Guardian recently

http://www.theguardian.com/travel/20...-picked-by-djs

And I will look for the UK follow up soon but I was surprised by the number of people in the comments who mentioned Fabric as the best thing in the UK - to me it represents everything that I hate about clubbing. Surely there are better things than that - surely?

I'm getting old now and I don't go out half as much as I used to - when I first moved to London I used to find an allnight party for Friday and another one for Saturday every weekend. I used to love doing that, varying the music each time, from reggae to techno and anything in-between. Anyway, I'm not too old (I think) and I miss clubbing - what's good right now?

The best regular night I know at the moment in London is World Uknown - it does the most important thing well (great music) and has an underground feel what with being in a different (often secret) location each time and generally managing to have a killer vibe. It's about the right size for me, a few hundred people or so, when it gets much bigger I think it becomes too faceless and I feel lost (but I do like smaller parties too).

Overall I'm asking two things -

1. What clubs are good? I'm talking venues here, I mean a good size, nice security, decent sound and genuinely a good spot to go dancing. Also, a good club will tend to programme good nights of course.

2. What nights are good? Could be something like WU which is in a different place every time or it could just be a night that you really like at the same place every time - in which case it kinda overlaps with part 1.

Looking forward to some answers here - cheers!

glasshand
04-01-2015, 09:32 PM
i've been a bit bewildered like u by the praise given to plastic people for the same reasons.

i lived in london 2010-2013, and now i've been back since october 2014. during 2010-13, sad as it sounds, WU (when it was at the loughborough junction venue - haven't been since) was the only night i was unreservedly recommending to everyone i knew, mainly for the vibe/cheerful people and music.

from 2010-2013 it felt to me like people i met were going out for big lineups and no one was looking for good vibes, good sound, consistent club to go to etc. i've had plenty of convos with rudewhy and other people about the lack of loyalty to particular nights and the lack of focus on getting the basics right instead of just churning out 500 pre-paid tickets on resident advisor. some ppl i've spoken to put it down to too much choice & competition in ldn, rudewhy said something about groups of students fresh to clubbing going out with their own groups of mates and not mixing. maybe both got some validity.

it's a massive letdown i think. except from bussey i wouldn't wholly recommend any single club. i would only recommend individual nights with some caveats. compared to somewhere like berlin, i could recommend maybe 4 clubs to anyone wanting to go out there and be fairly sure they weren't going to be disappointed.

rundown of my experience of a variety of clubs... fabric u get treated like cattle, some of the crowd are obviously fine, but it's more than likely ur gunna see ppl in there looking like owls frm the amount of mandy they're on (altho we all been there), being aggy in big groups of mans, or leering at/groping girls. i like their techno lineups on some saturdays, so best to go on a saturday night after 3am when the tourists have (hopefully) left. corsica is inconsistent, sometimes very posey, sometimes too packed, sometimes ok, never amazing, staff often grumpy. ministry & xoyo are way too touristy, v v weird mix of ppl and not a good vibe. laundry is new to me, recently went to a night that is cringingly called Trust and is built on some wanky overstated principles of togetherness. everyone was just crowded around the speakers all night. quite a bit of dancing but people were clearly not into it enough from the way they gathered together. studio spaces is another venue for those big lineup nights of the broken & uneven ilk that flit between venues all the time. can't say either way what i think of it yet cuz i've only been for a hyperdub footwork/juke night. that was dry as fuck to me, ppl literally standing stock STILL all thru the front-to-middle of the crowd. went to the troxy for dollop on NYD and i enjoyed that a lot, thought the sound was good, i don't mind those kinda theatre-venues (like the coronet) and ppl were generally up for it. i have been to a few good things in little sweatbox venues in dalston and im sure there is some night-loyalty operating there, buuut those venues have the tendency to end at like 3, 4 or god forbid 2am, wud consider them somewhere between bars & clubs tbh.

if someone asked me for a solid club the only thing i would definitely recommend wud be bussey building, but would advise to check what was going on there cuz it can be seriously hit and miss. i've been to a night called Warm there that i rate just cuz its a fiver in all night and i like the crowd the club tends to draw, but warm's music policy is not always up my street. i have had some good nights at techno things in autumn street studios too so that's worth a look

as for specific nights, it seems to me that the big ones with the very expensive looking lineups (dollop, broken & uneven/electric minds, found etc) flit between venues each time and the crowds can sometimes be cool, sometimes posey and don't dance. the most fun i've had recently has been at the nights people have been recommending on the shuffling thread. frequency at warehouse in tottenham was a massive highlight and that is a good club other than the pretty full-on search. i love to see everyone in a venue dancing wherever they are and fully into it. got high hopes for house of silk and the next house nights i reach. but if the house music's really not ur bag ur not going to be spoilt for choice in ldn right now.

i reckon i've been to a shitload of clubs & nights in ldn, but as a disclaimer i know that as a student i saw a very very studenty side to it. have little knowledge of vauxhall's venues (other than a few nights at lightbox when found, butterz have been there) for example.

edit: that seems a bit harsh about ministry, audio rehab was good there when the groups of tourists cleared off towards the end of the night

IdleRich
04-01-2015, 10:38 PM
"i've been a bit bewildered like u by the praise given to plastic people for the same reasons"
I think that was something I said in the other thread - for those that missed it, the gist was that Plastic People is a nice enough spot with decent sound but those things should be the bare minimum and there should be literally a thousand venues meeting those criteria in London, Plastic People seems to be so well regarded simply because there is such a shortage of venues that do those things well.
Could be an important point there - I've dj-d in loads of bars and clubs and things in London and it's so common for the equipment to be substandard or non-existent etc We played in Dusseldorf recently and everything worked absolutely perfectly - I wonder if that kind of thing happens relatively at top clubs too.


"if someone asked me for a solid club the only thing i would definitely recommend wud be bussey building, but would advise to check what was going on there cuz it can be seriously hit and miss. i've been to a night called Warm there that i rate just cuz its a fiver in all night and i like the crowd the club tends to draw, but warm's music policy is not always up my street."
Only been there once to watch a friend's band play. Seemed like it could be a decent venue for club music but I can't really say much more than that. I would add though that what you said at the end is promising - they mus be doing something right if the vibe can drag you in even when you don't like the music.

I suppose I should say that now I'm a bit older I'm less and less interested in big room type sounds and my ideal thing is about 200 people with some off the wall music. I feel like that has been something that London has often done well and I've been to some great one-off parties of that kind over the years but I feel that these should be something that should be an addition to the clubscene rather than a replacement for it which is how it feels at the moment (or maybe I'm just out of the loop).

Re sweatbox type things in Dalston - Alibi has decent sound, nice and dingy inside and seems to programme good nights (disclaimer, I dj-d there regularly for three years) and generally be a good bet. A lot of other places seem to take a short term view and just book something that will make money right now but that doesn't lead to a club with a good reputation. If someone wanted a tip for where to head in Dalston I'd probably say there.

Patrick Swayze
04-01-2015, 11:07 PM
studio spaces security are friendly to the point of eeriness

not in a fabric hands down your trousers way

just just incredibly affable

Patrick Swayze
04-01-2015, 11:09 PM
its a good venue though. agree about the crowd at teklife/hyperdub, was a bit better at the ninjatune one.

glasshand
05-01-2015, 05:53 PM
I suppose I should say that now I'm a bit older I'm less and less interested in big room type sounds and my ideal thing is about 200 people with some off the wall music. I feel like that has been something that London has often done well and I've been to some great one-off parties of that kind over the years but I feel that these should be something that should be an addition to the clubscene rather than a replacement for it which is how it feels at the moment (or maybe I'm just out of the loop).


to sum up & add a bit...

to my mind London's only "clubscene" is deep/tech in the form of the massive nights where all the DJs from the other thread are playing (@ coronet, scala, great suffolk st, warehouse) + some small regular nights/afterparties i see advertised in vauxhall. so if ur looking for the clubscene to verify it's still out there somewhere, give one of them a try.

the nights like the hyperdub/teklife or big label showcases look and feel akin to what i imagine going to see a band is like (never really been to see bands)

the techno & house nights like Trust, broken & uneven, dollop etc are like simulacra of clubscenes. if u like the djs u'll have a good time but there's not a whole lot of vibe there and no one's coming back on the regular. people i've talked to at the house nights often big up the night itself and know where they're going next - whether that's an afterparty or the next big night 3 weeks down the line. think that illustrates a genuine difference in attitudes

glasshand
05-01-2015, 05:55 PM
studio spaces security are friendly to the point of eeriness

not in a fabric hands down your trousers way

just just incredibly affable

haha altho they did whip my friend's dizzle out her bra

IdleRich
05-01-2015, 06:49 PM
"to my mind London's only "clubscene" is deep/tech in the form of the massive nights where all the DJs from the other thread are playing (@ coronet, scala, great suffolk st, warehouse) + some small regular nights/afterparties i see advertised in vauxhall. so if ur looking for the clubscene to verify it's still out there somewhere, give one of them a try."
I suppose (now you make me ask myself the question) that I'm really interested in nights that kinda make their own scene rather than which are part of the scene (although there is no way you could know that from the question) - but you're right I should check this stuff out... although to be honest been listening to a few links and it's really not my sound.

I've remembered that I asked a similar question on facebook a few weeks back, I'll see if I can dig out the replies I got there. I did seem to get some interesting suggestions up north I think.

Sectionfive
05-01-2015, 07:33 PM
Good thread. I mentioned this before in one of the DJing threads. We don't see clubs/nights breaking their own sound as before. FWD>>, Metalheadz, Sidewinder and so on. Those days when people had week in week out and opportunity to nurture a crowd and distinctive sound. I think things are changing again now though, the shuffling thing is at least an example where DJs found space to carve out something again over time.

The property situation in London, and it's many spin offs, wouldn't fill me with confidence about clubs keeping a toehold, though people having to get more and more creative to deliver the good vibes, good sound and consistency mentioned above could be no bad thing.

trilliam
05-01-2015, 08:08 PM
if it's not house it's probably fragmented

Elijah
05-01-2015, 09:37 PM
people having to get more and more creative to deliver the good vibes, good sound and consistency mentioned above could be no bad thing.

Its done nothing for the club scene clearly otherwise this thread would be rammed out with loads of different nights.

Patrick Swayze
09-01-2015, 05:15 PM
Studio Spaces have been given a 24h license

http://www.factmag.com/2015/01/09/londons-studio-spaces-granted-24-hour-permits-for-2015/

glasshand
12-01-2015, 09:48 PM
I'm really interested in nights that kinda make their own scene rather than which are part of the scene

one clubnight does not a scene make

i wouldn't have said for example WU created their own scene, they just know how to put on a really good night.

the deep tech nights have definitely made their own scene, the scene being a selection of clubnights and after parties with the same DJs on rotation and familiar crowds that know the tunes.

i fully appreciate it not being some people's sound, but if u really are interested in seeing where London clubbing is at right now, put the tastes aside for a sec and dive into some ethnographic research.

gimme a different example of night>scenehood in london (plz no one mention FWD - think there's a whole loada ppl who think a scene is formed by a group of producers/DJs standing in a room together) so i can get a measure of what ur talking about.

glasshand
12-01-2015, 09:58 PM
Its done nothing for the club scene clearly otherwise this thread would be rammed out with loads of different nights.

that said, the squat and illegal scene seems pretty healthy right now if u know where to look on facebook.

i got a mate who has squatted for years and years in london who seems to know about massive parties goin on every weekend. granted they sound incredibly unreliable, full of teenagers who can't go out yet cuza ID, and occasionally some real nastiness, but it's happenin a lot as an alternative to clubs. wonder if it's got bigger in the last few years or whether i've only just clocked it.

they are usually a total mixup of sounds from dubstep to "ragga-tek" to dnb, but i posted about that house one with jack n danny + x5 dubs (altho i don't think he played cuz he couldn't find the location) so the house thing got the potential to spill into illegal raves too. other than that the music's not my bag at all, gotta be said to be a pretty live scene in some ways tho.

Corpsey
12-01-2015, 10:59 PM
Unfortunately I keep banging on about this cos I've not reached a rave since :mad: but Frequency at Warehouse was the best London thing I've been to since DMZ/FWD in its peak years, HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE THE REST. Vibes, music, everything.

datwun
13-01-2015, 08:52 AM
Unfortunately I keep banging on about this cos I've not reached a rave since :mad: but Frequency at Warehouse was the best London thing I've been to since DMZ/FWD in its peak years, HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE THE REST. Vibes, music, everything.

Ditto Lance Morgan's Frequency Bday party last month. Really liked the space as well, obviously a total myth to get to, but I guess you've got to go that far out to throw a proper party in London these days...

Fudge, held under these railway arches in East London (won't bait them out by giving the actual location) is wicked too! When I went it was pretty quiet in terms of crowd numbers, but it's an amazing space. Semi legal cause you need a ticket/your name to be on the door to get in so they can claim to be a 'private members club', but once you're in you can blaze inside, they were shotting balloons behind the bar at 3 for 5 and it's open non stop from Friday - Sunday evening.

IdleRich
13-01-2015, 03:23 PM
i wouldn't have said for example WU created their own scene, they just know how to put on a really good night.
Yee-es, that's right but there are kinda records you could describe as a WU record and it's not a particular genre, it's an aesthetic... I mean, there is something that ties it together into more than a night. But I agree it probably can't be a scene in itself.


"i fully appreciate it not being some people's sound, but if u really are interested in seeing where London clubbing is at right now, put the tastes aside for a sec and dive into some ethnographic research."
I should do yeah. I'm gonna get back into clubbing this year I reckon, I've been a real lazy arse. I don't know how something I did twice every weekend became something I do twice a year - I got old I guess.


gimme a different example of night>scenehood in london (plz no one mention FWD - think there's a whole loada ppl who think a scene is formed by a group of producers/DJs standing in a room together) so i can get a measure of what ur talking about.
I don't know if I can really. I suppose that my favourite nights over years in London are things like Wang, WU, Kosmische - all very different and kinda unique but things that people used to go to every time and which had a real identity that made that happen. Maybe anti-scene in a way.

IdleRich
14-01-2015, 09:07 PM
The best 7 club spaces in London apparently - at a quick glance I can already see the hated Fabric and Birthdays but I'll stick it up here anyhow

http://www.clashmusic.com/features/7-of-the-best-london-club-spaces#view-gallery-image-4

I'm not necessarily saying it's wrong but if it's right then it's indicative of the exact problem I was talking about.

glasshand
14-01-2015, 10:08 PM
list of "club spaces" and ur writing stuff like "For those who lack the attention span or talent for pool, the ping pong table is a welcoming alternative"..

"Studio Spaces is the closest we have to a European-minded dance floor" i guess this person is trying to say "a good club".

i like the TRC actually but i spoke to the guy who runs it as a venue and he's not having the best time of it, probably explains why there's never much going on there.

search continues eh. i'll have to hit up datwun for that location for fudge at some point

IdleRich
14-01-2015, 10:57 PM
"i like the TRC actually but i spoke to the guy who runs it as a venue and he's not having the best time of it, probably explains why there's never much going on there."
Lexis right? He's always moaning about problems with the neighbours and stuff. I do kinda sympathise in that the space has really become something that it wasn't - it's not like people who move next door to a pub and then try and get it shut down.


list of "club spaces" and ur writing stuff like"For those who lack the attention span or talent for pool, the ping pong table is a welcoming alternative"
Yeah I see what you're saying. I don't want to have a go at Fabric again but in the article it says "It's also unique in that it searches you on the way out as well as in." - now to me that's a really bad thing. But even if it's not, are they really scratching around that much for things to write?

By the way, above I tried to answer (or wriggle out of) your questions from above, dunno if you saw that.

Also - what about non-London UK clubs? Some people on my facebook recommended some interesting sounding places in Manchester and elsewhere but I seem to have lost the post somehow.

glasshand
15-01-2015, 09:11 PM
i can't remember his name for sure now but Lexis rings a bell. i know some of the dudes who live/lived in the TRC as well so maybe we got some mutual frandz. wouldn't want to go into detail about what he was sayin on here (more than the neighbours thing), not that it's scandalous or anythin just he probably wouldn't have shared if he thought i'd go blabbin on the internet. u probably know the gist of it anyway.

yeh i clocked the wriggling. i see more clearly what ur after now, sounds like a singular night with a seriously loyal crowd. the only thing i can say i've experienced like that in london which i thought was great was WU. i do get what ur saying about a 'WU record' too. i've never heard of the others u mentioned but im guessin they're a bit before my time? seein as i was only in ldn 2010-13 before now.

this is gunna make me sound basic but Church at Corsica studios on a thursday was the only other thing i showed up regularly for and felt most of the crowd had loyalty to whilst i was a student. me n mates went cuz it was regular every week so casual, no militant planning in advance. guaranteed to be a mix of girls n guys there. music was always going to be roughly up our street no matter who the specific name they booked was. and it was like 3 or free. it was an art school student vibe tho and no real 'identity' other than that. can't help thinkin that anything at Corsica studios is never going to have its own identity. maybe that's cuz i've rinsed it too hard over the years. im sure canavan's in peckham probably ticks all those boxes n is the new fresh-to-ldn art student place to be and that's why it gets the write-ups. main problem is it's a pool hall and it literally fuckin stinks.

glasshand
15-01-2015, 09:18 PM
new addition to my list of mediocre ldn clubs since going there last weekend is Basing House. went there on a whim to see Cottam cuz one of my mates was already down there. it was full of strange lost tourists and budget patrick bateman lookalikes. sound was a bit rubbish. would avoid it like the plague in future. shame cuz the actual space & dancefloor was cool

glasshand
15-01-2015, 09:28 PM
what about non-London UK clubs? Some people on my facebook recommended some interesting sounding places in Manchester and elsewhere but I seem to have lost the post somehow.

i like soup kitchen in MCR and they make some good bookings, obvs not alone worth a trip up there. other than that i've been to warehouse at its newer venue, had a good night but that is def one of those fabric situations.

i went to 2.31 once in rainbow rooms and did have a banging night. couldn't see myself making the journey now, cuz it would most likely be for a house lineup that i could find in ldn.

i heard there is at least one good warehouse venue up in sheffield, don't know anyone up there to confirm or deny lol

all these are clearly not the type of venues/nights ur after. u probably gotta be fairly local to somewhere to know about the hidden gems

Patrick Swayze
15-01-2015, 10:33 PM
Manchester used to have quite a few good nights and clubs but its gone downhill massively. Soup Kitchen does the occasional good night, as does Joshua Brooks. Kraak Gallery's had some cool lineups but they barely promote them and apparently theyre dead.

IdleRich
16-01-2015, 09:59 AM
"I can't remember his name for sure now but Lexis rings a bell."
Yeah he's the French guy who runs it. I don't know him well but kinda seen him around for quite a while. He was involved in booking things for the bar called Scenario in Stokey at some point as well although I'm not really in touch with those guys now so I don't know if it's still happening.


"new addition to my list of mediocre ldn clubs since going there last weekend is Basing House"
The one that used to be On The Rocks right? Small place with mirrors and stuff, I was wondering if there was anything good going on there cos as a place it's right up my street. From the line-ups I saw though it looked kinda expensive and anonymous.

There used to be a night there called Cosey which was pretty good. In some sense a similar kind of sound to World Unknown I guess - maybe less acid and more synth. This guy

http://www.factmag.com/2014/11/27/20-best-ebm-industrial/


i've never heard of the others u mentioned but im guessin they're a bit before my time? seein as i was only in ldn 2010-13 before now.
Well, Wang (to me) was a really special night. It used to be in The Premises on Hackney Road - three rooms all small with low ceilings and the decks in a table in the corner. The main room was usually really heavy electro (Control Tower type stuff and the like), the third room was normally dub and the other room was... something else - house, techno, whatever. It was a brilliant party cos in a sense it wasn't at all my favourite type of music but I went there religiously and so did lots of other people. It was wicked in the main room decorated with loads of tv screens filled with static and just such a good vibe. I remember bringing friends who were totally blown away - even a guy who hated dance-music and just collected Suede obscurities.
The third room was so fun as well when you'd suddenly see the guy behind the bar dj-ing and playing stuff like Tainted Love (the Soft Cell) version and all these serious dub heads going mental to that with no attitude. Was just brilliant. The last party at The Premises especially. Though after that it moved to several other places and put on a few good nights but it never really captured that magic somehow. It depended totally on those scuzzy little rooms (wicked to see A Guy Called Gerald there playing Voodoo Ray in a place with a warehouse feel but only big enough for fifty people).
Also - in terms of it being a one-off, there was another heavy- electro night going about the same time which was kind of a rival I suppose but a lot of the same people used to go to both - even the djs and promoters I think although they used to pretend they hated the other one. Can't remember what that other one was called though unfortunately. Maybe the existence of the other night did mean that there was something like a mini-scene of sorts happening.

IdleRich
16-01-2015, 10:07 AM
Oh, and Kosmische was a krautrock night at The Garage in Highbury so something totally different. Just completely insane music and a bunch of freaks in attendance. Since then I've met so many people who used to go all the time - it was obviously something that people who are like me (whatever I'm like) like. And of course a lot of that was down to the dj-ing of Jim Backhouse who posts on here or used to anyhow.

Thanks for responses anyway - it's making me think about what I like in a club and what I'm going to do this coming year.

luka
16-01-2015, 10:15 AM
My mate said kosmiche is beer drinking men in their 40s and some girls with that Spanish girl fringe. You know, cut well high up the forehead. Not really a club?

datwun
16-01-2015, 10:27 AM
Datwun for that location for fudge at some point

Follow them on facebook for updates on parties!

On non-London UK clubs, I still think that the Rainbow in Brum is just about the best club in the UK at the moment/the best club I've ever been to really. That said I went for my 3rd NYE in a row there. It was the biggest party I've ever seen there over +4000. The main room was absolutely impossible to manoeuvre in and was a bit stressful for me. But then they had 4 other spaces, including one in gazebo on the street which was perfect for blazing and cooling down.

It might have been actually the worst night I've had there out of 9 trips up. Usually when I go the vast majority of people you chat too are regulars. This time there were a lot more people who said it was their first time. Was the first time I've seen You Want Me dropped at 02:31 where a majority of the crowd /didn't/ sing along :(

They've lost their direction a bit musically with the implosion of jackin, and they haven't got behind the deep tech thing either - though they did have AndMe down who played all his bangers - the other DJs seem to be specifically anti it, I think it's got a really bad image in Brum cause of that stabbing at Circa Loco a while back...

Aaaand that said, the worst night I've ever had their was still by any standards a wicked night. 4000+ people and none of them are wankers. Safe as fuck bouncers, everyone everyone everyone on MDMA, and bouncey house music all night long. It's the lack of wanker thing really which keeps me coming back, I literally don't think there's a single night in London where you can guarantee that the crowd will be fun and friendly

IdleRich
16-01-2015, 10:58 AM
"My mate said kosmiche is beer drinking men in their 40s and some girls with that Spanish girl fringe. You know, cut well high up the forehead. Not really a club?"
It was certainly a very different thing to Wang or a house allnighter or whatever. When it was at The Garage every month it was normally a band and then several hours of weird music and a load of people did stick around to dance. Since then, after Leon moved to Oslo, it started happening sporadically in random places. It did become more chin-stroking at that point, more about the bands and less about the dancing and... well, worse basically. I certainly wouldn't argue with that description as to what it became. But even at the start it was at totally the opposite end of the spectrum to Wang - I kinda listed those two to suggest two totally different clubs that succeeded in creating a kind of mini-scene of their own and on their own terms and which were both so good in their way that I felt they demanded my attendance every month.

IdleRich
16-01-2015, 11:04 AM
"On non-London UK clubs, I still think that the Rainbow in Brum is just about the best club in the UK at the moment/the best club I've ever been to really."
Whereabouts is that then? I used to go out with a girl from Brum and her crew were all into techno and stuff. When I'd go and see her we'd go to Atomic Jam and some other parties whose names I forget. Always messy and pretty good fun but never really my favourite type of music to be honest.
But, considering that I am quite, I dunno, serious about music (like we all are here) I'm still totally able to recognise that having music I like is only a part of a great night and I can have a good time at something where the music isn't my kind of thing at all. This is always a surprise to people I know who are on the surface much less bothered about music than me but who turn out to be less open-minded or more purist in terms of what they will go out to dance to.

datwun
16-01-2015, 11:39 AM
Whereabouts is that then?

Digbeth! You can get a taxi from Birmingham New Street for like 4 and if you tell the driver 'Rainbow Digbeth' they'll know exactly what you mean.
The Brummys go hard. So like, 02:31 is an after party from 2 30 till 6 in the morning. I went over summer to play and a bunch of my mates/ the regulars were there, and they were all going to the after after party. Digbeth's wicked, it's like Berlin or something, bleak industrial landscape, a million warehouses each of them with a club space inside. The after after party was at some gay club, but because of the timing of it, it was a very very mixed crowd, basically anyone who wanted to carry on going. We got there at a bit after 7 and it was absolutely rammed, small space, wicked trippy lighting, 3-400 people, and everyone was still buzzing and dancing. I left at 9ish and it was still rammed, and everyone was still buzzing and dancing.

Aparently the Sunday after party scene's huge there too but I've never been.

All I know is I never see crowds like that in London..

Rudewhy
16-01-2015, 11:50 AM
This time there were a lot more people who said it was their first time. Was the first time I've seen You Want Me dropped at 02:31 where a majority of the crowd /didn't/ sing along :(

I expect the churn of regulars at 02:31 is pretty high i.e. 18/19 year olds going religiously for around 12 months before moving on to the more serious House & Techno nights around Brum (or growing up and giving up on raving)

IdleRich
16-01-2015, 01:13 PM
Digbeth! You can get a taxi from Birmingham New Street for like 4 and if you tell the driver 'Rainbow Digbeth' they'll know exactly what you mean.
The Brummys go hard. So like, 02:31 is an after party from 2 30 till 6 in the morning. I went over summer to play and a bunch of my mates/ the regulars were there, and they were all going to the after after party. Digbeth's wicked, it's like Berlin or something, bleak industrial landscape, a million warehouses each of them with a club space inside. The after after party was at some gay club, but because of the timing of it, it was a very very mixed crowd, basically anyone who wanted to carry on going. We got there at a bit after 7 and it was absolutely rammed, small space, wicked trippy lighting, 3-400 people, and everyone was still buzzing and dancing. I left at 9ish and it was still rammed, and everyone was still buzzing and dancing.
Aparently the Sunday after party scene's huge there too but I've never been.
All I know is I never see crowds like that in London..
Well, when the girl I was seeing came up to London with her mates we went to some hardhouse allnighter and then went to a hardhouse alldayer which seemed to be starting at about six am. Interesting that the guys from Birmingham knew more about the after parties in London than I did. I guess we left around lunchtime. That kind of thing is fun to do every now and again. Used to like those things at 414 (I think it's called) in Brixton and there was the Fridge Bar and the like. If there was a night like that playing my favourite music I really liked then I'd be as happy as a pig in shit.

IdleRich
16-01-2015, 08:58 PM
I want a place like this

http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?2311

If you know one let me know!

Leo
16-01-2015, 10:17 PM
I want a place like this

http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?2311

If you know one let me know!

read that earlier today, sounds interesting.

i wonder if that sort of place is only possible in smaller cities that, perhaps for geographical reasons, aren't overrun by weekenders/tourists? the way word gets around nowadays on social media, it's hard for anything really cool in big cities to remain under the radar for more than six months.

IdleRich
16-01-2015, 11:30 PM
I have to admit that i only put that up cos we dj-d there in October and we should be going back in a month or two. It is a great place but it feels like something similar should be possible to do in London or anywhere really. But somewhere that size in London always has a joke soundsystem for some reason, I think it's the law.
I'm not sure about the Salon being under the radar as such but it does benefit from being by far the best place in Dusseldorf - basically if a decent dj plays in Dusseldorf s/he will play there. Likewise with good bands (as long as they're not too big to play there I guess). Detlef has fantastic taste and he's a really lovely guy and he's built up a network of like-minded people who really want to go there and rock it. Also, he really doesn't seem to be bound by commercial considerations. When we were playing early on and my girlfriend was worried that the crowd didn't seem too into what she was playing and she said that to Detlef but he replied something like "Fuck them, your music is good, they're ignorant, keep playing good stuff". If you book a bar in London to put on a party in London the chance of the bar-owner saying that is less than fucking nothing.
So - nice room, great sound, brilliant programming and no commercial worries - a simple formula done really well basically. But there are about a thousand bars in Dalston alone, surely one of them could match that.

glasshand
17-01-2015, 12:04 AM
We got there at a bit after 7 and it was absolutely rammed, small space, wicked trippy lighting, 3-400 people, and everyone was still buzzing and dancing. I left at 9ish and it was still rammed, and everyone was still buzzing and dancing.

All I know is I never see crowds like that in London..

i definitely need to check this at some point tbf. is true that there's nowhere quite like that in ldn. after party scene in vauxhall and south seems like a much smaller affair

IdleRich
17-01-2015, 02:02 AM
"i definitely need to check this at some point tbf. is true that there's nowhere quite like that in ldn. after party scene in vauxhall and south seems like a much smaller affair"
But is that worse?

pattycakes_
17-01-2015, 05:25 AM
London: The Russian Bar (not sure if it's still called that) can be quirky and fun. Dance Tunnel is pretty good. WU, very nice but not for everyone. Autumn St. is prob my fave. Half because of the bookings and half because it's out of the way enough to deter the plebs. Nearby Peanut Factory was aight for the odd jungle/ragga raveup, too. Not sure of it's current status though.

Someone mentioned a warehouse in Sheffield. Think it might be Dirty Little Secret. Saw Dj Sprinkles there in 2013. Really good vibes, kind of an ideal spot. Doesn't look like they put much on, though. Unless they avoid advertising on the usual channels.

Manchester: Soup Kitchen, as mentioned. Good bookings/vibes. Closes too early though. If you ever get a chance, go and see Andrew Lyster play. Best parties I went to in MCR though were the Bohemian Grove ones at Islington Mill. They went on 'til 8am and the crowd were cool. Few other way off the radar things go on, but you have to know people. Jamal Moss played a wicked 8 hour set in a remoteish warehouse at random last summer and there were a few other private loft techno things going on. Actually made me think there was a lot more going on, but people were wisely keeping it quiet.

That RA article about the Kraut place makes it sound brilliant. But I can't help but wonder how articles like that affect underground clubs.

paolo
17-01-2015, 10:14 AM
The Sub Club. Awesome soundsystem, a crowd who are serious about music (not in a chin-stroking way), DJs who really know what they're doing >>>

glasshand
17-01-2015, 11:22 AM
about the after parties- nah i spose smaller's not worse. anyway i was probably talking shite cuz i've just looked up club no.65's capacity and it's like 600. 3-400 sounded like an awful lotta ppl to be still going early, but it's not really when they're all spread about a club. i've been in a queue at no.65 where everyone was told it was full at about 7am. jaded at corsica studios goes on 5am-3pm every sunday and last time i left that at about 9am it was pretty busy and ppl were still arriving.


half because it's out of the way enough to deter the plebs

hmm

IdleRich
17-01-2015, 01:32 PM
"London: The Russian Bar (not sure if it's still called that) can be quirky and fun."
Is it still open? I tried to contact it and couldn't get through and then we went down there and it wall shut up with a poster in the window for something that was on last year.

slackk
17-01-2015, 01:54 PM
Russian Bar hasn't been open for about three years. It was Shelter briefly when it reopened but that bombed as well.

Awful system in there but downstairs was a laugh with all the mirrors. It used to be a strippers once upon a time and still had a pole.

IdleRich
17-01-2015, 01:56 PM
"That RA article about the Kraut place makes it sound brilliant. But I can't help but wonder how articles like that affect underground clubs."
It was in the Guardian top 25 clubs thing too. But it's not a secret in Dusseldorf, I guess it might bring people from further afield but I doubt it will make too much difference.
I guess, if there was an underground club in London it could be under the radar cos there are so many things like that here, and an article like that would have a huge effect on the crowd the week after it was written... but I don't think that that is the case here.

pattycakes_
17-01-2015, 05:38 PM
It was Shelter briefly when it reopened but that bombed as well.

Ah yeah I think I went there when it was Shelter and had a really good night. Had no idea that was just a temporary thing. Dropped by on a short visit to the UK.


hmm

What I mean is the people who usually end up making the good clubs less pleasant. E.g. all the 'lads' who show up at Corsica these days.

@IdleRich: I got that yeah, but meant more in general. Those articles are a bit catch 22 imo.

baboon2004
18-01-2015, 02:21 PM
The Sub Club. Awesome soundsystem, a crowd who are serious about music (not in a chin-stroking way), DJs who really know what they're doing >>>

I only went once cos I've only been to Glasgow once, thought it was an amazing space and sound, good crowd, good lighting (i.e. dark, preventing too much posery, which was also the thing I appreciated about Plastic People). I wasn't even really into the music that night I went; with the right sounds it'd've been special.

glasshand
19-01-2015, 08:55 PM
studio 338 on the Greenwich Peninsula "includes one of the largest terrace arena's in Europe" - http://www.residentadvisor.net/club.aspx?id=74592

someone on my fb jus posted a vid of it poppin off to a remix of "freed from desire". cheesy stuff yeh but why have i never heard of this club, is it new? anyone ever been?

glasshand
19-01-2015, 09:26 PM
What I mean is the people who usually end up making the good clubs less pleasant. E.g. all the 'lads' who show up at Corsica these days.

dubious about this still man. fully on a moral high horse here.. but u got some specific gripes with tha 'lads' or what? im inclined to defend 'lads' cuz who knows who might've looked at me and my mates over the past few yrs and gone 'ah yeh it's shit now the lads are invading <XYZ>'

i don't like shoreditch cuz it's kinda got a drinking&fighting vibe going on round all the bars with big groups of dudes and stuff. but i'm not fazed by 'lads' at all if they're taking drugs and dancing in places like corsica, troxy, coronet, etc. can't imagine any groups of 5+ men with no girls getting into these places either, which is when u tend to get the confrontational vibes. i don't like posing and people not getting into it, but u get that from non-lad crowds as much if not more than u get it from ur stereotypically laddy crowds.

much prefer a bit of mandy and a dance being the thing to do for most people now rather than i dunno, jumping around at a gig.

slackk
20-01-2015, 11:25 AM
studio 338 on the Greenwich Peninsula "includes one of the largest terrace arena's in Europe" - http://www.residentadvisor.net/club.aspx?id=74592

someone on my fb jus posted a vid of it poppin off to a remix of "freed from desire". cheesy stuff yeh but why have i never heard of this club, is it new? anyone ever been?

Nah it's not new. Used to be called T.H.A.T, or The House & Terrace. Commercial house thing mostly but had a lot of funky on when that was popping, some of the early Audio Whore & Rehab things too. Not a bad venue but not an underground proposition by any stretch.

pattycakes_
20-01-2015, 01:23 PM
i don't like shoreditch cuz it's kinda got a drinking&fighting vibe going on round all the bars with big groups of dudes and stuff. but i'm not fazed by 'lads' at all if they're taking drugs and dancing in places like corsica, troxy, coronet, etc. can't imagine any groups of 5+ men with no girls getting into these places either, which is when u tend to get the confrontational vibes. i don't like posing and people not getting into it, but u get that from non-lad crowds as much if not more than u get it from ur stereotypically laddy crowds.

you pretty much just described the groups of lads i saw at corsica the last couple of times i went there. big bunch of them (5+). drunk/coked up. not really dancing that much and causing aggro with other guys. didn't really come across like they were there for the music. maybe i was unlucky the last few times i went, but it really felt like it was going that way.

having said that, i haven't been there for a while now.

glasshand
20-01-2015, 06:32 PM
Nah it's not new. Used to be called T.H.A.T, or The House & Terrace. Commercial house thing mostly but had a lot of funky on when that was popping, some of the early Audio Whore & Rehab things too. Not a bad venue but not an underground proposition by any stretch.

rings a bell now u mention audio rehab, i remember reading an article that mentioned a club in greenwich being where they started out

glasshand
20-01-2015, 06:35 PM
you pretty much just described the groups of lads i saw at corsica the last couple of times i went there. big bunch of them (5+). drunk/coked up. not really dancing that much and causing aggro with other guys. didn't really come across like they were there for the music. maybe i was unlucky the last few times i went, but it really felt like it was going that way.

having said that, i haven't been there for a while now.

fair enuff

glasshand
24-01-2015, 12:02 AM
Nah it's not new. Used to be called T.H.A.T, or The House & Terrace. Commercial house thing mostly but had a lot of funky on when that was popping, some of the early Audio Whore & Rehab things too. Not a bad venue but not an underground proposition by any stretch.

u got a take/overview on ldn clubbing right now slackk?

i've really been meaning to go, but there's not been a boxed for a while has there? (fabric rm 3s aside)

slackk
24-01-2015, 11:22 AM
boxed is monthly apart from januarys. we've put on about 20 in the last two years, so nah theres been loads

london's in okay shape i think, just needs more smaller clubs with heavy systems. i reckon a couple will probably end up in hackney wick soon though

IdleRich
29-07-2015, 12:38 PM
Body Hammer was great on Saturday. I guess Body Hammer/World Unknown are linked but different enough - basically the kind of stuff I'm after. More things like that. Not exactly a scene but a scene on their own.