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mistersloane
03-03-2015, 02:47 PM
It all started with Lil B, did it? I personally like Manga's take on it more than Ilovemakonnen

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rubberdingyrapids
03-03-2015, 03:05 PM
thought this was going to be about clouddead.
dont think lil b is post hop though.
everything is post hop these days.

mistersloane
03-03-2015, 03:22 PM
Clouddead were awful though, though I'm prepared to be corrected. Who started this stuff nowadays though, was it Lil B?

rubberdingyrapids
03-03-2015, 03:26 PM
i tuned out of lil b a long time ago. so not sure what his modern stuff is like or why its post-hop. young thug is sort of post-hop.

mistersloane
03-03-2015, 03:36 PM
Wasn't Lil B the first internet drugged out thing? I'm asking a question not stating anything. I was asking where the genesis of all this fucking weird atonal singing tripped out shit from the internet was coming from, which is a line which now leads to Makonnen and Manga.

I'm not being antaginistical.

rubberdingyrapids
03-03-2015, 03:53 PM
does this mean t pain is the starting point? (i know he wasnt that weird, but he def popularised the autotune thing, which led to young thug, which led to makonnen and rae sremmurd and so on). future, too.

mistersloane
03-03-2015, 04:13 PM
does this mean t pain is the starting point? (i know he wasnt that weird, but he def popularised the autotune thing, which led to young thug, which led to makonnen and rae sremmurd and so on). future, too.

Was it T-Pain? I know what you mean, I never got the impression T-Pain spent most of his life on the internet, or did vast amount of drugs bar weed though. It's just having watched that Noisey Atlanta thing, the last episode, and I was thinking, where did it all come from? Was it Tricky?

mistersloane
03-03-2015, 04:17 PM
I also just wanted to post some stuff from Manga. It's really sweet.

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I like regret in music.

mistersloane
03-03-2015, 04:20 PM
Also, self-sampling is fucking excellent, especially when it expresses a loss rather than a purpose.

trilliam
03-03-2015, 08:41 PM
:(

rubberdingyrapids
03-03-2015, 10:47 PM
Was it Tricky?

if you mean the (slightly overrated) person from bristol, definitely not. sorry. :p

CrowleyHead
04-03-2015, 12:16 AM
S. Stop.

mistersloane
04-03-2015, 04:28 AM
S. Stop.

I don't know him, was he big?

trilliam
04-03-2015, 11:00 AM
literally no correlation between lil b and them manga videos but why is he robbing castros saint thing

i like this direction he's going to would download a mixtape, he has lyrics and can easily be an "artist" rather than just try to be

back to my first point though what is post-hop?

what does it mean and who does it?

at first glance i thought it meant not talking about typical rap subjects, as if that would mean you've transcended/moved beyond rap and are now "Post hop" :rolleyes: , still i see young thugs name so maybe ive got it wrong, i want to believe im wrong tbh cause im getting serious hipster/elitist/internet music fan/new school rap listener vibes

trilliam
04-03-2015, 11:03 AM
im thinking some weird mix of what ppl normally call alternative/underground hip hop (louis logic, blu) and this new internet hip hop kind of stuff (lil b, goth money)

but if young thug is involved i guess what ppl mean is biting everyones style into one accessible amorphous blob and passing it off as original cause it appeals to "everyone"

includes poor rap skills, poor "catchy" singing skills, questionable behaviors/subject matter and a strong internet presence and or following

trilliam
04-03-2015, 11:04 AM
tf do manga and ilovemakkonen have to do with each other, literally i was ready to lol @ manga for trying to be a singer b4 i listened

paolo
04-03-2015, 08:03 PM
I'm more of a post dubstep kinda guy

CrowleyHead
04-03-2015, 11:47 PM
I think it just means a really negative opinion of rap.

CLOUDEAD is rap. Lil' B is rap. Manga is Grime to my knowledge unless he's given up on that for rap (instead of giving up PERIOD which he should consider).

The idea that this is transcending hip-hop, like Rammellzee or Illogic or Saafir or the Blowed people or Divine Styler or Scaramanga or Torture or w/e didn't happen within the boundaries of rap...

trilliam
05-03-2015, 12:07 PM
exactly

d name alone gives off that rap for people who dont like rap vibe, u got to d point alot quicker than me though

n im interested to hear manga rapping stil, never liked him too too much but them tunes on the first page are kinda hmmm so downloaded the mixtape

NOAT
06-03-2015, 06:21 AM
Have people talked about Yung Lean on here before? I remember that pic of those guys cropping up in a thread mentioning 'chav chic'. He's fucking weird - like some of Yung gud's production though.

Bang Diddley
06-03-2015, 01:02 PM
This is a kind of related I guess.

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/mar/05/original-angstas-why-the-stars-of-sad-rap-arent-afraid-to-cry

It's an odd direction for rap to take. But I haven't really listen to much over the years so maybe it's a progression from some other influences that have been creeping in. I wonder why this is taking off ...

CrowleyHead
06-03-2015, 01:24 PM
... Is this a conspiracy to drive me into a nervous breakdown? "Finally, we'll rid ourselves of the American with blatant entry-levelism that his shallow pretentiousness can't let slide off his back."

Yung Lean isn't post-rap, its a very untalented Swede doing a grotesque of rap over 'experimental' (See: Inane and under-baked pastiche) production.

Rappers have been crying since like... 1985. What the fuck is "I Need Love" or "Teenage Love"?

mistersloane
08-03-2015, 10:15 AM
im thinking some weird mix of what ppl normally call alternative/underground hip hop (louis logic, blu) and this new internet hip hop kind of stuff (lil b, goth money)

but if young thug is involved i guess what ppl mean is biting everyones style into one accessible amorphous blob and passing it off as original cause it appeals to "everyone"

includes poor rap skills, poor "catchy" singing skills, questionable behaviors/subject matter and a strong internet presence and or following

I only wrote "post hop" cos I was drunk and couldn't think of a thread title. I just kinda liked what Manga's doing and thought if I did a thread called "manga" no-one would look at it.

CrowleyHead
08-03-2015, 02:40 PM
No that's fair.

Patrick Swayze
08-03-2015, 02:57 PM
There's some MCs who nobody really rates apart from other MCs and Manga's one of those. So maybe there's something to be appreciated in his craft that I don't see.