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07-03-2015, 11:38 PM
I happened across the video for Kano's new song today on YouTube and it provoked me into briefly skimming his catalogue. This, in turn, has provoked me into starting this thread, in which poor ignorants such as myself will ask the forum to give them a run down of the best songs/albums/videos/live performance videos by the appointed artist. At least in theory.


So lets start with Kano - somebody out there must know his catalogue back to back, or at least well enough to give me a run-down of his best tunes. PLEEEEEEEASE.

08-03-2015, 09:54 AM
Kano's a funny one. I've got a couple of NASTY sets where as soon as he jumps on the mic it's like oh shit, this guy is so much better than everyone else. He should have been massive. Easily as marketable as Dizzee etc. Never really happened for him though.

Remember when he was on that Sky celebrity football show?

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Patrick Swayze
08-03-2015, 02:26 PM
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Patrick Swayze
08-03-2015, 02:32 PM
His best albums for me are Home Sweet Home, Beats + Bars and The Mixtape, in that order.

His best live performance on youtube is probably Jammer's Birthday (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3hoKR-I8Is).

08-03-2015, 03:09 PM
His highest charting single - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mznv4ACjkzc did alright but never broke top 20.

Lord of the Mics vs Wiley - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCZUSAvzVIs

08-03-2015, 03:30 PM
Cheers all - excellent response, 10/10

09-03-2015, 03:02 AM
Oh man that lord of the mics round 2 is classic.

09-03-2015, 11:59 AM
He should have been massive. Easily as marketable as Dizzee etc. Never really happened for him though.

I can see him being MORE marketable than Dizzee - quite a good looking guy and a really laid back and smooth style. Who could you compare him to from the US rap scene - Jay-Z, maybe? (Not counting the looks obv. lol)

OTOH I suppose Dizzee was such a shock for ppl outside grime, his voice was piercing and weird, and his production (on ''I Luv U'' at least) was much more off the wall. Personally I prefer Dizzee anyway so maybe its not just a matter of style. EDIT: Also was just thinking that Ghetto had basically the same flow as Kano but has more of a Rascal esque piercing voice. And I could be wrong but is this why a lot of ppl hate Ghetto? It's grating, perhaps, to have that flow done in that hysterical voice.

''Ghetto Kyote'' is good and ''Boys Love Girls'' too. Always thought ''Ps and Qs'' was great. Working my way through these.

EDIT: ''True G'' is wicked. ''Destruction/VIP'' is one of the greatest grime tunes ever surely? Really like the stuff he did with The Streets/Mitchell Brothers, so quintessentially British sounding and witty. Must admit I got pretty fatigued by Kano's flow quickly so maybe that's a little sign of why he didn't blow up. That flow is breathless and quietly relentless.

09-03-2015, 12:02 PM
I spit a 4 bar and merk your 32

09-03-2015, 12:08 PM
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Thought this might be a thread derailment but if people wanna school me on P Money too I'm up for it. MURDER.

09-03-2015, 12:21 PM
Ah wow forgot about this tune with Wonder, wicked beat.

Patrick Swayze
09-03-2015, 12:59 PM
Don't really think Kano has any reason to be disappointed with his career as compared to Dizzee. Very well respected in grime, major part in Top Boy and the face of a recent Mercedes ad campaign (which I'm guessing paid very well). Less commercial chart success but judging by Dizzee's recent output I'd be surprised if he's actually proud of the chart music he made (although I'm sure he's proud of its success).

For P Money you should check out Hazzardous Sessions, Coins 2 Notes, OG Season Volume 1 and In Da Hood The Lost Tapes. Probably all on youtube.

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Patrick Swayze
09-03-2015, 01:03 PM
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Patrick Swayze
09-03-2015, 01:06 PM
He's really good on Fuck Radio 5 as well actually.

09-03-2015, 02:44 PM
Kano is a UK Rap artist who lived in Grime for his childhood.

Like, his production was always the worst for me, even as a teen I hated how he'd do terrible choruses ("Signs") or throw in unnecessary guitars and dive into these really pronounced and over-emphasized rap flows.

Also, he's not that bright or deep, I'm amazed when people think he's a GREAT lyricist, its more his constantly 'on charming' cheesy Britanic thing. When he does that 'tough guy' voice it reminds me of terrible Eminem records.

I honestly don't even like a good deal of Home Sweet Home because of his production choices, he was so much better in other people's production, but he modeled himself after Dizzee with the 'sweet-boy' extension. Personally I feel like its a mistake as he's not a Dizzee, and probably never could've been, he doesn't have that open a personality via his music and that definitely is what keeps people coming to Diz, Ghetto, Wiley, etc.

Really interesting how you can find those three on Spotify, a good chunk of their discog, but with Kano... its Home Sweet Home and that's it. That could be both the label or Kane's doing but either way, someone basically says "There's nothing else in the official discography worth reminding people about", which is pretty fucked.

On the subject of P Money, I like him, he's great, I'm not an expert, etc.

09-03-2015, 08:05 PM
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09-03-2015, 08:09 PM
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I think this was P Money's biggest track

09-03-2015, 10:33 PM
kano >>


hazzardous sessions damn thats a blast from the past

even snipe keedo was good on the first volume

again kano >>


10-03-2015, 12:11 AM
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Kano vs Vybz Kartel. One of my favourite performances from him aside from the obvious ones

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How many MCs have a better song than this?

10-03-2015, 12:16 AM
In terms of P Money. I've worked on and off with him since starting out so will let others post tunes. I did a two hour talk podcast with him recently that will give you a window into his mind.

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10-03-2015, 06:19 AM
Great interview Elijah

10-03-2015, 11:08 AM
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I think this was P Money's biggest track

Never really been into this grime MC x wobble style, although I remember seeing P Money, Blacks and some others in Bristol spitting over Chase N Status style beats and actually making that style of dubstep more palatable to me. Live, its just pure energy and hype. Bit too much for me sitting in my room listening on my headphones.

Enjoying this interview Elijah, directly relevant to ∆ that stuff ∆

Would it be accurate to say that Kano was one of the most obviously garage-influnced grime MCs? Maybe I've only got a partial knowledge of garage MCing but I connect his style more to the 2-step era, all sinuous, sing-songy and rapid flows.

10-03-2015, 08:27 PM
Cheers guys.

On Kano he is def Garage, Hip Hop, Jungle & Dancehall in one. He leans on different angles for different tunes

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This one is a real good example of his talents.
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This one is more Jungle style MC wise, but obviously more hip hop musically.

With P Money he has told me before he hasn't ever listened to much American music. Style is more Jungle, Garage, and as he is 2nd Gen you can say more influenced by the MCs that came before him.
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These couple of tracks are him doing over peoples styles.

11-03-2015, 08:17 PM
My Contributions


Aside from all the classic grime posted, he was one of the few grime mc that spat on hip hop well, here's him spraying over some classic rap beats




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theres also a really early feestlye over Swizz Beatz WW3 beat where he sent for Harvey from So Solid but its not online


This was the first track of his I heard of his nearly a decade ago


P Money is one of the few Grime MCs that came with solid mix CDs without any filler so check out Coins 2 Notes & P Money is Power they're both heavy

some classic freestyles





11-03-2015, 08:48 PM
Also was just thinking that Ghetto had basically the same flow as Kano but has more of a Rascal esque piercing voice. And I could be wrong but is this why a lot of ppl hate Ghetto? It's grating, perhaps, to have that flow done in that hysterical voice.

Wasn't it Wiley who sent for Ghetto with "you're just an angry Kano"

and then Tinchy who called him a 'Kano rebore'

11-03-2015, 09:19 PM
Whytea, to embed just post the embed code that you can access under videos on YouTube via the "share" button.

Thanks to you and to everyone else for their help in this thread - YOU'RE THE REAL MVPs! :')

18-03-2015, 05:52 PM
So been listening to a bit of this new Kendrick album, and obviously I'm seeing it compared to Outkast all over the shop, so...


Please school Me on OUTKAST

P.S. I've heard ''Hey Ya'' before, thanks.

18-03-2015, 07:07 PM
Not Outkast, but watered down less offensive kind of soundalike that dated badly, because you wanted to be schooled


18-03-2015, 08:54 PM
Aquemni was the first thing I listened to of theirs. It's still an amazing record. I think it gives you a good sense of their vision and creative breadth. As UKman, I found a lot of the references completely confused me at the time, still do in some ways. I just put it on again, and I almost get synesthesia from it, listening makes me recall the smell of the booklet as it was held close, me puzzling over the lyrics. I get the sense of a group at the height of their powers experimenting musically but still making incredibly tight, commercially appealing music. It actually reminds me of Stevie Wonder in this regard. And the skits are actually good, and add to overall Southern feel of the album.

You must know this, right? The collision of styles is incredible.

If Kendrick is this good, I will be very very pleased indeed.

18-03-2015, 08:58 PM

18-03-2015, 10:40 PM
There was an amazing primer mix by Killer Mike's touring DJ that covered the Dungeon Family via their Organized Noize productions. I suggest that because A) I don't enjoy Outkast B) I think Goodie Mob is incredibly superior C) Yes I'm a cliche contrarian D) There's a lot of Dungeon associates who get left behind like Mike used to be before the Run The Jewels resurgence, Cool Breeze, Society Of Soul, Witchdoctor, Backbone, the less discussed connections between them and early Atlanta crunk like Youngbloodz, Ludacris & Jim Crow...

http://www.livemixtapes.com/mixtapes/17118/the_best_of_organized_noize_out_of_the_darkness.ht ml

18-03-2015, 11:10 PM
the best non-DF thing that ON did really was mista - i used to love that album.

as far as outkast, the first album is actually their best - theyve never been better as rappers, or as a proper duo, even if they still continued to make good albums.

big boi has been embarassing since outkast split btw. i dont care how many apologists try and stick up for him. hes been floundering.

19-03-2015, 12:26 AM
big boi has been embarassing since outkast split btw. i dont care how many apologists try and stick up for him. hes been floundering.

I mean, he's been actually rapping consistently and without making his appearances 'event records', nor has he been responsible for a "Come Together" cover. Grass is always greener, y'know?

19-03-2015, 02:53 PM
Thanks, y'all. I'm grabbing Aquemini as I type. I just looked it up on Wikipedia; I never got that the title combines Aquarius and Gemini.

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Outkast - Player's Ball (Remix) (1993)

I remember hearing this on a Westwood show way back when and loving it. Obviously also 'Ms. Jackson' and 'Hey Ya!' were huge hits during my schooldays.

19-03-2015, 04:51 PM
B) I think Goodie Mob is incredibly superior

Goodie Mob were amazing. The first time Westwood played this blew my fuckin mind.

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19-03-2015, 06:46 PM
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19-03-2015, 06:50 PM
my favorite OutKast track (this is off Aquemini):

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Patrick Swayze
21-03-2015, 12:12 PM
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21-03-2015, 12:42 PM

argh, why won't embedding work for me...

cheers Sufi

22-03-2015, 06:29 PM
And what do you think of the Kendrick, Corpsey?

I think it's a really interesting record but I don't know if it's a good one. I'm finding it so overproduced that it's hard to let the lyrics shine as they should. Outkast knitted different ideas together in a way that seemed seamless, and made the juxtaposition exciting - this record feels like a mess to me. I feel he's on a whistlestop tour of every great moment in black music history and it screams GREAT ARTISTIC STATEMENT a bit too much.

It will be the year end "rap album for everyone who never listens to rap" I predict.

ALSO worst album title in hip hop history?

23-03-2015, 11:47 AM
Nobody in my school has listened to Kendrick on speakers in this past week or so. I still hear a lot of Drake and Big Sean and J Cole. Keep in mind, this his his supposed core audience.

23-03-2015, 12:56 PM
Yeah, I wondered if it'd be appealing to teenagers. Some of the students here really dug Good Kid MAAD City, and I could see why. It had an intellectual hook alongside the tunes. I wondered if the new album might be too obtuse. It's a critical darling though - or at least a hit with all the broadsheet reviewers who only listen to one hip hop album a year.

I think he's a great rapper but I cannot hang with the production. I kinda want the equivalent of a No DJ version but with the beats.

23-03-2015, 03:05 PM
Even when he actually gets a decent groove on ("King Kunta") has a gratuitous electric guitar solo over the end.

(have to say, it is growing on me though).

12-10-2016, 10:01 AM
Good thread, died too young.

12-10-2016, 11:13 PM
Somebody in here should be able to school me on Omar S

i heard "The Best" a while back and was like "damn this is really good" and now basically just want to hear more


13-10-2016, 12:15 AM
Flying Gorgars
Set It Out
Psychotic Photosynthesis
Here's Your Trance Now Dance!
It's Money In The D
Just Ask The Lonely

13-10-2016, 12:18 AM

Always There, one of my favourites. I guess Set It Out is my favourite, but also love Flying Gorgars and Trance/Dance. And Psychotic Photosynthesis is his pinnacle probably. IMO

13-10-2016, 03:24 AM
this is my favorite omar-s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3gd_mtH54M