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Benny B
13-03-2015, 06:03 PM
cos i'm on a prince kick recently. i'm assuming everyone here likes prince right?

i haven't decided myself yet cos i want to revisit some stuff (especially sign o the times which i always thought was a bit overrated), but definitely leaning towards early minimal funk/new wave filthy era - dirty mind/controversy/1999.

CrowleyHead
14-03-2015, 03:20 PM
I FUCKING HATE DIRTY MIND. Like the singles are on it, but the rest is crap and "Sister" has to be the worst fucking song ever. If another Critic tries to tell me ".... Well you know... Dirty Mind was where he really hit his stride" I'm going to bash their heads in. Side A of Controversy is easily fucking miles above everything on Dirty Mind. And how are you going to ignore how good the S/T album is, just because he's obviously still in disco/soul era? "I Feel 4 U"

(No shots at you Benny, just venting)

But uh, fav. album... I'd honestly say its a tie between Around The World In A Day and Under The Cherry Moon?

Benny B
14-03-2015, 06:09 PM
sister is definitely the worst song on DM and gotta broken heart again is only quite good, but the rest is unfuckwithable iyam, especially uptown (was that a single?). Still not got round to the s/t yet but its here sitting on my hard drive. finally heard the black album today, cool record apart from a couple of shockingly bad tracks.

i've had atwiad for a long time but never really got into it, seems a bit forgettable on the whole, maybe i need to listen again.

its not on the list but theres a strong case to be made for the b-sides cd too - erotic city, 17 days, irresistible bitch etc etc.

hmm...

CrowleyHead
15-03-2015, 01:56 AM
I could never call ATWIAD forgettable. "America" is the improved version of his whole slowly developing bullshit politics into a good funk jam. There was a live version from a concert movie (not the Sign of the Times concert movie, but like... I think MTV had it first) where he's extending the jam constantly to stop and then go into this swing jazz vamp before back into the jam, and all he's doing is bandleading, and its SOOO RAW. Beyond that, "Paisley Park" is such a ridiculously dark attempt at psychedelia, "Pop Life" as well and the punishment from god section of "Temptation" at the end is so bizarre. I'm always amazed people think this album is so light? "Condition Of The Heart" is also brilliantly somber, that fake French accent being the only bit of humor and joy. Like, beyond "Rasberry Beret" and "Tambourine" its actually a v. miserable album, which few critics catch up on.

I will holistically cosign the B-Sides. "Irresistable Bitch" is a jam and I think "She's Always In My Hair" is one of my top 10 Prince songs.

mistersloane
16-03-2015, 02:52 AM
I can't stand Prince.

mistersloane
16-03-2015, 12:07 PM
In fact, I don't think anyone actually likes Prince. I've never, never been in a room where someone's put on a Prince album, like, never, and I even know Americans.

Benny B
16-03-2015, 12:28 PM
In fact, I don't think anyone actually likes Prince. I've never, never been in a room where someone's put on a Prince album, like, never, and I even know Americans.

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mistersloane
16-03-2015, 01:58 PM
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lol

Benny B
18-03-2015, 06:38 AM
cos i'm on a prince kick recently. i'm assuming everyone here likes prince right?.


Not sure why i assumed this actually

luka
18-03-2015, 08:16 AM
Because at some point I can't remember when, Prince ascended to that position in the firmament. I think it was late 90s/early 00s.
People like the drummer from the roots, the Neptunes, d'angelo... They were all campaigning, pamphleting, door knocking for the prince party, rosettes on lapels.

I voted sign of the times

rubberdingyrapids
18-03-2015, 10:50 AM
I FUCKING HATE DIRTY MIND. Like the singles are on it, but the rest is crap and "Sister" has to be the worst fucking song ever. If another Critic tries to tell me ".... Well you know... Dirty Mind was where he really hit his stride" I'm going to bash their heads in. Side A of Controversy is easily fucking miles above everything on Dirty Mind. And how are you going to ignore how good the S/T album is, just because he's obviously still in disco/soul era? "I Feel 4 U"


obv rock critics just like it as its lo-fi, he looks unkempt, etc.

but its a brilliant album, if you can get past the need to go against the crit consensus.

its not like he wasnt writing about themes like those on DM on bambi, or i wanna be your lover, and musically, DM is not that representative of the mpls sound, but it is where he comes into his own identity and more to the point, sustains it for a whole album. but controversy is really where prince, and 'the prince sound' begins.

btw, sister is incredible when he plays it at twice the speed on the lovesexy tour.

rubberdingyrapids
18-03-2015, 10:53 AM
but the best albums are 1999 for rude boy era/electronic/synthy prince, parade for floral, jazzy, art-funk prince, and dirty mind just for being the most anomalous album in his catalogue. as far as latter period prince, the rainbow children is the best thing hes done in the last 10-15 years. easily his jazziest, heaviest, deepest album and with brilliantly dense/religious lyrics. a lot of his albums are actually a bit spotty tbh. dirty mind is the most consistent thing hes ever made. from controversy on, his albums started to get more varied, but also not quite as cohesive as they might be.

Benny B
18-03-2015, 11:00 AM
Because at some point I can't remember when, Prince ascended to that position in the firmament. I think it was late 90s/early 00s.
People like the drummer from the roots, the Neptunes, d'angelo... They were all campaigning, pamphleting, door knocking for the prince party, rosettes on lapels.

I voted sign of the times

yeah, outkast too. the new d'angelo album kinda revived my interest in prince again actually.

i'm going for 1999. the title track and little red corvette are probably my favourite prince singles, then you get loads of other cool linn drum robo-funk synth stuff that builds on the dirty mind/controversy sound. Lady Cab Driver!!!

if erotic city and 17 days had made it on the album then i'd have gone with purple rain though.

rubberdingyrapids
18-03-2015, 11:44 AM
theres this japanese album that makes the purple rain album more like the proper soundtrack -
http://www.discogs.com/Prince-Strange-Tales-From-The-Rain-Prince-1978-1984/release/3139238 (only a couple hundred quid!)
i like how it doesnt end with purple rain and with baby im a star - so much better.

A1 –Prince And The Revolution Let's Go Crazy 7:32
A2 –Time, The Jungle Love 3:25
A3 –Prince And The Revolution Take Me With U 3:55
A4 –Prince And The Revolution The Beautiful Ones 5:14
A5 –Prince And The Revolution God 4:02
A6 –Prince And The Revolution When Doves Cry 3:49
B1 –Prince And The Revolution Computer Blue 4:01
B2 –Prince And The Revolution Darlin' Nikki (spelling error by WB) 5:13
B3 –Apollonia 6 Sex Shooter 3:01
B4 –Time, The The Bird 7:40
B5 –Prince And The Revolution Purple Rain 4:07
B6 –Prince And The Revolution I Would Die 4 U 2:50
B7 –Prince And The Revolution Baby I'm A Star

rubberdingyrapids
18-03-2015, 12:48 PM
SOTT live and lovesexy live (from the videos/dvds) both should have been released as live albums really. SOTT live is better than the album apart from a few songs (eg dorothy parker).

CrowleyHead
18-03-2015, 02:13 PM
lovesexy live (from the videos/dvds) both should have been released as live albums really..

Yeah, my father has a shitty recording of when he did Pay Per View for the Lovesexy tour, he was honestly at the peak of his live powers. My dad also ADORES Lovesexy as an album, which is funny as critical consensus is that "Oh, if only he'd stuck with the Black Album, he used too many tracks and its overstuffed..."

I think Prince revival is also integral to the fact that his influence was all over. Obviously house and techno is forever indebted to him, I mean Jamie Principle is such a little Prince biter its adorable. Obviously his continued influence on R&B....

There's also the indie fascination with him; its less discussed but I think indie people recognize Prince before they'd ever identify with Madonna or MJ. Those guys are entertainers, they possess savvy but Prince is a 'artiste'; temperamental, stuffy, has opinions upon music. Possesses musicianship but never gets too proggy, and favors a minimal style. Specifically there's a Smog song about him making him this dark, melodramatic figure, and Yo La Tengo did a whole tribute album to him.

rubberdingyrapids
18-03-2015, 03:09 PM
you could make an amazing album out of lovesexy and the black album.

side one
"Le Grind" – 6:44
"Cindy C." – 6:15
"Superfunkycalifragisexy" – 5:55
"2 Nigs United 4 West Compton" – 7:01
"Rockhard in a Funky Place" – 4:31

side two
"Eye No" 5:47
"Alphabet St." 5:38
"Glam Slam" 5:04
"Anna Stesia" 4:56
"When 2 R in Love" – 3:59 †
"I Wish U Heaven" 2:43

Corpsey
18-03-2015, 03:53 PM
Never used to get Prince, got as far as buying a greatest hits comp and downloading 'Dirty Mind' and then lost interest, not out of any hatred for Prince, but because I have the attention span of a gnat. So I love ''I Would Die 4 U'' and a lot of the other obvious big singles but I've not heard any of the albums (aside from being massively underwhelmed by ''Sign of the Times'' when I listened to it).

I really like D'Angelo and ''The Love Below'' so I probably SHOULD listen to and like Prince, shouldn't I? I suppose a barrier for me has been that it's always seemed quite difficult to nick his music off the internet. Nowadays most of my music is nicked so Prince gets the bozack.

rubberdingyrapids
18-03-2015, 04:08 PM
just get the hits/the b sides album.

Benny B
19-03-2015, 07:06 AM
I suppose a barrier for me has been that it's always seemed quite difficult to nick his music off the internet. Nowadays most of my music is nicked so Prince gets the bozack.


Fyi u can nick his entire discog at the most obvious place on the web. What i really want is live concerts and films though. Still not seen purple rain yet!

Id say the essential albums are dirty mind, controversy, 1999, purple rain, parade, sott, and that hits/bsides comp. I know practically nothing of his post 80s albums though.

rubberdingyrapids
19-03-2015, 01:17 PM
i made a 90s prince comp a while ago, prob missing some good songs out but was trying to prune for the best -

Can't Stop This Feeling I Got
The Question of U
We Can Funk
Joy In Repetition
Thieves in the Temple
Diamonds and Pearls
Cream
Gett Off (promo version)
(i would put daddy pop in here but i hate the rap)
Walk Don't Walk
Money Don't Matter 2 Night
Insatiable
the morning papers
and god created woman
pink cashmere
Papa
Dark
dont talk to strangers
she spoke to me
dolphin
shhh
shy
billy jack bitch
eye hate u
rock n roll is alive (and it lives in mpls)
dinner with delores
had u
courtin time
in this bed i scream
soul sanctuary
curious child
dreamin about u
holy river
lets have a baby
my computer
one of us
the love we make
circle of amour
the other side of the pillow
animal kingdom
Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic
so far so pleased
i love u but i dont trust u anymore
tangerine

mistersloane
19-03-2015, 01:22 PM
Poll says it all. Only 4 people in the world actually like Prince.

rubberdingyrapids
19-03-2015, 01:23 PM
dissensus doesnt really like funk. or pop.

CrowleyHead
19-03-2015, 06:25 PM
Dissensus is fucking full of shit sometimes, besides there was a eons old Prince thread once that they're probably wishing they could go back to.

Diamonds & Pearls is a great 90s album, after that it all starts to go horribly wrong until Musicology. I blame the fat drummer.

Corpsey
19-03-2015, 06:40 PM
There's about six or seven people left on here nowadays, so that's actually a close to 100% turnout.

empty mirror
19-03-2015, 07:05 PM
i love prince

i voted for sign of the times but probably 1999 is a more honest answer
i critically listened to 1999 a month ago, front to back, on the hi-fi - haven't revisited the rest of his catalog in a while

i have huge respect for musicians that play all the instruments on their albums (in the case of prince's first album and 1999) - is there a list for this? mccartney ii (i know people love to hate this record but i am a fan), emmit rhodes S/T, Stevie Wonder's Music of My Mind...

also, i've heard that prince's philosophy in the studio is to have each instrument hold its own, even when you fade out the instruments - i do find this to be the case with his albums. you can dedicate a listening to, say, just concentrating on the bass - with good results.

anyway, yeah - PRINCE!

CrowleyHead
19-03-2015, 10:46 PM
is there a list for this? mccartney ii (i know people love to hate this record but i am a fan), emmit rhodes S/T, Stevie Wonder's Music of My Mind...


Trent Reznor builds tracks just by himself playing everything, and then he'll draft in pro-hitters such as like Adrian Belew or whomever.

Todd Rundgren obv.

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empty mirror
19-03-2015, 11:27 PM
^ yes!

connect_icut
20-03-2015, 12:10 AM
Parade

rubberdingyrapids
20-03-2015, 08:08 AM
always thought prince must be a todd rungren fan. i forget which song it was, maybe circle of amour, it sounded very todd. but they both have a (sometimes unfortunate) weakness for capturing the moment rather than fleshing material out.

Benny B
20-03-2015, 09:26 AM
Poll says it all. Only 4 people in the world actually like Prince.

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Diggedy Derek
09-04-2015, 10:18 AM
Sign O The Times has amazing songs but is a bit of a mess, it's an odds and ends collection of various failed projects. Which devalues it a bit for me.

Parade is so underrated!

rubberdingyrapids
12-04-2015, 08:59 AM
a lot of princes albums come from separate projects he had on the go - he never really stuck to one project.... parade is amazing on side one, and still brilliant on side 2 but loses that continunity. like, kiss, sounds totally unrelated to the rest of it.

i listened to lovesexy after about 10 years because of this thread. the production sounds really weird, even for an 80s pop record. its one of the things i think that makes princes music so marmite for a lot of people. that album is a bit of a mess though, its got this sublime rush of inspiration, but just sounds scrappy, apart from a few songs. glam slam is also half amazing/half-WTF-is-this -totally proggy and poppy. it also sounds like he didnt bother writing much for it so just came up with 3 diff ways to do it over lol.

CrowleyHead
12-04-2015, 02:46 PM
Theoretically he did rush to finish this after he decided he wasn't doing The Black Album, so you're not wrong about it. I haven't listened to Lovesexy in a few years so it doesn't stick out in my head... But neither does a lot of Parade and I was listening to that relatively heavy two years ago. Yet another reminder that I have to do a lot of Prince re-copping.

Does anyone bother with recent material? The 3rdeyegirl album had a few cuts on it, but the new solo album had me ready to throw a chair out the window. He fucking sucks at rock ballads now, yet he keeps insisting on trying to make them happen.

rubberdingyrapids
12-04-2015, 09:08 PM
i found it the other way round. that 3rd eye girl album was horrendous and leaden but the solo album was the first time hes sounded decent trying to sound kinda current in a long time. the first track (prince in slightly camp vegas mode) is the best thing on it. not that ive heard it more than once.

CrowleyHead
12-04-2015, 11:00 PM
Oh no, the first half of 3rdeye is JUST THAT, but the second half, he starts to really work it... The solo album, I don't like Prince's attempts at modernity. The EDM thing is gawky, I can't get over how bad the ballads are. Also La Havas is just a tiring presence... The song where he samples Mila J is coolish, but I'm more intrigued if he likes Mila J or he just wanted to sample her voice.

The song he samples in question is better than anything on any of those albums.

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rubberdingyrapids
12-04-2015, 11:03 PM
prob he just wanted to sample something else. she looks like his usual type. i cant really be bothered to listen to either of those two new albums. but the 3rd eye was most offensive. im not really into prince doing meat and potatoes retro rock (esp without the songs). id rather hear the undertaker or something instead.

Benny B
12-04-2015, 11:37 PM
Sign O The Times has amazing songs but is a bit of a mess, it's an odds and ends collection of various failed projects. Which devalues it a bit for me.



agree with this, seem to remember sott sounding really weak on cd which put me off it a bit at first. definitely has some of his greatest songs on it though.

the camille LP would have been perfect i reckon

Side 1:
Rebirth Of The Flesh
Housequake
Strange Relationship
Feel U Up
Side 2:
Shockadelica
Good Love
If I Was Your Girlfriend
Rockhard In A Funky Place

plus 'u got the look' and 'scarlet pussy' according to wikipedia

Woebot
14-04-2015, 08:24 PM
can't see d'angelo's "black messiah" on here.

CrowleyHead
14-04-2015, 08:25 PM
lol

He's always been such a biter but when I heard "The Charade" I was like, "Jesus man, be a little discreet."

rubberdingyrapids
14-04-2015, 11:08 PM
http://eil.com/images/main/Prince-Charade-517597.jpg

its too easy to say he just copies prince. apart from charade, and how does it feel, only dangelos vocals sound like prince.

CrowleyHead
14-04-2015, 11:14 PM
http://eil.com/images/main/Prince-Charade-517597.jpg

its too easy to say he just copies prince. apart from charade, and how does it feel, only dangelos vocals sound like prince.

Oh, I agree, the reduction is absurd. But in a way I think he's got a lot of advantages of robbing from Prince and not being Prince... Like, for him, making slightly dated guitar tunes is a revolutionary thing, whereas with Prince its rather typical.

rubberdingyrapids
14-04-2015, 11:39 PM
imo hes better when doing funkadelic kinda stuff (ie 1000 deaths) than NPG-style pop rock (charade)... though OTOH, not many songs like that referencing police brutailty so...

Benny B
21-04-2016, 06:33 PM
RIP :o

CrowleyHead
21-04-2016, 09:47 PM
Legit teared up a bunch today.

droid
21-04-2016, 10:16 PM
RIP

Never a fan, hated him in my teens actually, but mellowed slightly in recent years. Cant deny his influence though.

Seems like a real bolt from the blue. Does anyone know what happened?

rubberdingyrapids
22-04-2016, 10:27 AM
it didnt really sink in for me til today. he was my most favourite musician ever. even if i had fallen out of love with him the past decade or so, my affection for *him* was still high. prince made me interested in so many other genres. he was my connection to rock, jazz, soul, punk even. there was something about him, even at his shittiest, that just sounded in love with creation, with making music. i wasnt surprised he died at his studio. i cant imagine him dying anywhere else.

im esp sad he died so suddenly as he was apparently in the middle of writing his memoirs, something i never thought he would do. cos in a weird way, while it was nice seeing him present a more human side in recent years, on TV and in the press, i also missed the old, inscrutable prince (then again, im not sure he was ever easy to understand).

i dont know what dissensus makes of prince (im assuming dirty mind would be the top dissensus prince pick). i imagine most people saw him as too fey and too funky, not rock enough, too pleasurable, too pop, not 'serious' or 'dark', not macho (i remember when i was at school just how much people would HATE him, not dislike, but actively LOATHE, cos yknow, fucking primal scream or blur etc etc was better of course), but that was what made him so good. he could be all things to all people but also never enough of any one thing (not R&B enough for R&B fans, not rock enough for rockers, too effeminate for rap, etc etc). before he started to care about those things, he was at his best. he made me love a lot of gender-questioning artists, from little richard to bowie. on a more dissensus tip, prince always considered detroit his second city after his own home town (i had a bootleg of his interview with the electrifying mojo that was one of the first times i heard him speak) - i often wish he dabbled more in house and techno than he did hip hop in the 90s (those cities at least showed his influence on them).

he could also be very funny even as he was being vain.


I strangled Valentino (He strangled Valentino)
Been mine ever since (been his ever since)
If anybody asks you (if anybody asks u)
You belong to Prince (you belong to Prince)


you also have to love that his music is nowhere on spotify or youtube.

RIP.

Corpsey
22-04-2016, 12:05 PM
These huge pop artists - Prince, Bowie, Michael Jackson - who were so eccentric and authentically talented: they don't exist anymore, do they? I'm intrigued by why that is. In the 80s, did they occupy the same place as today's airbrushed, manufactured pop, or were they an alternative to it?

rubberdingyrapids
22-04-2016, 12:09 PM
they were both. they were weird but also big, blockbuster, million selling pop artists. i think that cultural climate that could allow for that basically ended with the 1990s.

maybe lady gaga is the closest you can get today.

Corpsey
22-04-2016, 12:17 PM
It's interesting, and I'm sure there are plenty of books out there on the subject. These androgynous, experimental pop artists, presumably a legacy of glam rock and rock'n'roll in general (which these days has lost its cachet, really)...

It's funny, when I was growing up the 80s was seen as this awful, vulgar decade characterised by horrendous hair and the rise of cheesy production but its completely (Madonna reference intended) in vogue now.

Corpsey
22-04-2016, 12:25 PM
NTS playing nothing but Prince atm FYI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeJLZi0uyJw

rubberdingyrapids
22-04-2016, 12:44 PM
80s is now seen, amongst other things, as the last decade of mega budget pop i think, and of pop non tethered to reality, maybe the last decade where you could be peculiar, indulge in total fantasy, but be massively pop at the same time. todays mega sellers are artists like adele*

obv at the time, if you were trying to be hip, it was assumed that there were cooler, more credible prospects if you were 'serious' about music, to people like MJ, madonna, prince etc. but they did make mainstream culture more interesting, more challenging, and put more fringe culture ideas into the pop charts, than you tend to get today IMO.

*fucking hell

Corpsey
22-04-2016, 01:31 PM
Was going to ask if Prince was a formative influence on the Jam and Lewis synth-soul of the 80s (the best music evs), then looked up Jam and Lewis and discovered they were in The Time! *facepalm*

Corpsey
22-04-2016, 01:48 PM
''Stevie Nicks: When we were recording "Stand Back" I decided to be really blatant and call Prince up and tell him that I had been inspired to write the song while listening to "Little Red Corvette." I told him that I figured my song was half his. He came over to the studio where I was recording and listened to it--as I turned extremely white and started to shake. Then he walked over to the piano and put on a really incredible keyboard track. And not only did Prince make it up right on the spot, he played it with only two fingers. Then he left.''

nicked off ILX (http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?showall=true&bookmarkedmessageid=5892136&boardid=41&threadid=103903)

CrowleyHead
22-04-2016, 02:19 PM
You know the way that Prince crossed over into mainstream rock America? His management at the time also handled John Mellencamp, still hot off his "American Fool" run of singles (which if you don't know, are like, classic rock/pop crossover staples here still.). Now, who's to say that Mellencamp didn't love the song himself. But the point is, as "Little Red Corvette" was out as a single, Mellencamp would play the song to people in his concerts. I don't mean he was covering "Little Red Corvette", he would play a cassette of the song over the speakers and subject his fans to "Little Red Corvette" under the context of "Have you heard this Prince guy?"

No matter what the intent, that's a wild tactic, and its kind of indicative of the weird ways people were trying to make Prince the phenomenon he became. Can you imagine Beyonce stopping a song to play a new Drake single for her fans, and that's it? Not covering, not a performance/duet, just being like "Guys have you heard this?"

rubberdingyrapids
22-04-2016, 03:10 PM
well drake does that, kind of, on his radio show and gets shit for being a culture vulture!

but anyway, hey, thats pretty cool.

shout out to john mellencamp. :cool:

the last six cds prince bought:

http://www.mprnews.org/story/2016/04/21/prince-last-cd-purchases-at-electric-fetus

you would think he had them all already! i guess hes like theo parrish. buying albums he knows he already has, maybe to get that 'new' feeling again.

droid
22-04-2016, 11:13 PM
Came across this video yesterday and just found an article about it. A technical rock guitar solo is probably the least suitable thing to remember him by, but the showmanship! And where the hell did his guitar go?

http://verbnews.com/2015/01/in-2004-prince-played-the-greatest-guitar-solo-of-all-time-heres-how-it-happened/

luka
23-04-2016, 02:20 AM
Yeah I saw someone in guardian comments thread link to That quite mental

Benny B
26-04-2016, 12:09 PM
some incredible live footage is being uploaded on youtube right now. how long before it all gets taken down again though?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-vfF9NPAQE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SINtBF4_dHA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vCS_iKITCY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s6uSt3jR-s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etMqfDsFIKw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hExG--JcHqM

Corpsey
26-04-2016, 12:14 PM
It's funny how his music not being readily available online has made it so 'difficult' for me to bother checking it out. It's telling that in this day and age buying a CD seems like a big task.

Saying that I'm going to buy some Prince CDs/records on payday.

rubberdingyrapids
26-04-2016, 01:13 PM
a lot of them seem to have gone up in price on amazon. i expect warners will repress them. though who knows with prince. i know what you mean about it seeming a big deal now to buy an actual CD, but spotify is just an insult to any artist IMO. even though it is a convenient tool to listen to music you might not otherwise get a chance to hear. its cool the bootlegged stuff is on youtube, but i tend to think prince was right not to want his official albums on there (i wonder if his people have decided to let it ride for a while, or if maybe now hes dead, no one is enforcing his previous wishes?).

Corpsey
26-04-2016, 01:16 PM
Yeah, I actually sympathise with his stance on it. I use Spotify all the time nowadays but I feel appropriately guilty about it. As overpriced as music was before the internet came along I do feel like something has been lost with the (effective) death of physical media.

trza
26-04-2016, 03:37 PM
What if you are guilty of coming of age in the nineties when Prince was past his prime, and you remember the whole name change to a symbol and the awkward magazine articles about "The Artist Formerly Knows as Prince....."

rubberdingyrapids
26-04-2016, 04:23 PM
Debbie Harry: 'Music matters. YouTube should pay musicians fairly'

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2016/apr/26/debbie-harry-youtube-royalties


Google has the second highest market capitalisation in the world, and its total 2015 revenue was $75bn (Ł52bn). The total annual revenue of the global music business, in comparison, is less than $15bn. Our large community of hardworking artists is being exploited to make a very small percentage of people extremely rich.

The most searched item on YouTube is music. But despite music driving so much traffic to the YouTube platform, they do not pay artists fairly. YouTube has enabled a flood of unlicensed content into the marketplace, driving the market price down and using their monopoly-power to pay next to nothing.

Corpsey
26-04-2016, 05:17 PM
It's amazing, really, given that I can still remember a time when YouTube (briefly) looked doomed due to copyright claims. I wonder what happened? I guess the record companies that had the money to pursue these claims have been placated by YouTube somehow? Or perhaps it's just a case of YouTube becoming so completely impossible to circumvent?

trza
26-04-2016, 06:42 PM
I think youtube scans the audio of every video and distributes a share of the ad money they collect, and when an artist signs up for vevo or the indie version of vevo it starts collecting for any video that uses the track so a guy like bauuer and his annoying track with the copycat videos can clean up moneywise but its the oddball holdouts like prince, kid rock, public enemy who have big egos or gripes with their old labels and publishers who get caught in the middle and can't figure out how to get stuff uploaded.

It doesn't matter the platform the legal arguments behind music just never go away they just get bigger and longer.

luka
26-04-2016, 10:37 PM
http://puremusic247.com/

tune in now 4 some prince. sticky like glue.

rubberdingyrapids
27-04-2016, 10:38 AM
Prince Rockets to No. 1 as Fans Buy (Yes, Buy) His Albums
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/26/arts/music/prince-death-album-sales-charts.html?_r=0

Corpsey
27-04-2016, 01:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uzBHhPEWpE

craner
27-04-2016, 09:41 PM
I think I remember a thread where I tried to pick apart 'Sign 'o the Times' (one of my favorite albums) to claim that only about a quarter of it was any good, obviously idiotic. But I still think that Prince is best served by personal mixtapes or playlists. Do that, and you have the greatest pop star of all time.

craner
27-04-2016, 09:44 PM
There's tracks on the 92 Love Symbol album that stand up to anything made in the 80s, but nobody would say it was a great album. And hardcore fans claim they can make amazing tracklists by dredging up gems from the last 20 years, and I believe them, but only they would have the patience to do it.

craner
27-04-2016, 09:56 PM
Over time I've owned every one of those albums listed above apart from the Black Album, but somehow lost or sold every one except '...Times'. I'm still puzzled by how I managed to discard so much vinyl.

craner
27-04-2016, 10:01 PM
You would have not predicted that Vanity and Prince would die within months of each other, would you. I mean, Vanity, bless her soul, fucked up her body by smoking crack, but Prince was quite clean, it seemed.

CrowleyHead
27-04-2016, 11:08 PM
Yeah, that's the grim thing. I joked with someone that just by being in a relationship with Nikki Sixx at some point, Vanity's kidneys were probably husks at the end. But apparently Prince had been putting off important surgeries, was a notorious insomniac/workaholic, had issues with maintaining a healthy diet and that was all before the supposed drugs he started taking at his age. I imagine introducing a chemical dependency like that to a man who's body isn't built for the lifestyle he was trying to maintain is just as hazardous as a reckless youth, especially given Prince's religious conflicts with hospitalization for periods.

Corpsey
28-04-2016, 08:40 AM
Was Prince into drugs at any point in his life?

More (or less) to the point, is there an authoritative biography of Prince that I can add to my big list of books ull never quite get around to reading? :D

craner
28-04-2016, 10:26 AM
I always like to read about Prince's influences (whether true or not) ,things like:

Dirty Mind being something of a response to Lindsey Buckingham's Tusk production
Being a fan of (and stealing his look from) Adam Ant
Enjoying Cocteau Twins
Digging Todd Rundgren, especially A Wizard, A True Star

Any others?

rubberdingyrapids
28-04-2016, 10:33 AM
circle of amour is maybe his most todd sounding song. also one of his best songs of the 90s. never knew that about tusk. but he did play synths on stevie knicks' stand back (which i have played far too much the last week) so hey, who knows. purple rain was apparently prince hearing bob seger and wanting to make a song like that. i always thought i could never take the place of your man sounded a bit like springsteen (whose purple rain cover i think has to be one of the best, i found it more moving than dangelos sometimes it snows in april). as he aged, he sounded a bit more like hendrix as a lead guitarist to me, but in the 80s, he said santana was the one *he* thought he sounded like the most. i remember in a late 90s interview, he said the artist he was checking out most was bjork. surprised he didnt try to lure her to paisley park.

i dont think prince was into 'drugs' like TMZ are making out (not in the way james brown suddenly started on hard drugs at a point in his life when most people would be trying to get off them). painkillers maybe, but all those years of dancing on heels would prob put anyones body to the test. i dont blame him. just a shame if that is what killed him.


There's tracks on the 92 Love Symbol album that stand up to anything made in the 80s, but nobody would say it was a great album. And hardcore fans claim they can make amazing tracklists by dredging up gems from the last 20 years, and I believe them, but only they would have the patience to do it.


i made a 90s playlist that i think is full of superb stuff. emancipation, if you edit it (and even theres a lot of good songs left over, they just dont really add up to a great 'album', never mind a triple album), also is prob his best, most consistent 90s album - i have a one-disc playlist that makes me think its quite overlooked (but then who could take 180 mins of new prince at that point?).

rubberdingyrapids
28-04-2016, 01:37 PM
so prince was apparently a journey fan too. haha. the songs ARE quite similar. its not that surprising really. the reason so many people thought prince was a bit corny in his guitar playing/rock was no doubt cos he loved soft rock. i might need to make a power ballad compilation.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7348372/prince-purple-rain-journey-faithfully-interviews


The Journey members subsequently learned that the similarities between the "Purple Rain" and "Faithfully" guitar solos were not coincidental either. "There's a guy that Jonathan and I both know in Minneapolis who worked with Prince in the last few years," Schon says, "and he told Jon to tell me that Prince was talking about my guitar playing, how it really moved him and how he liked my playing. It was just so cool."

"How much he loved Neal Schon is crazy," Cain adds. "He studied Neal for so many years, learned his licks and made them his own. You can hear it on ('Purple Rain') for real."

CrowleyHead
28-04-2016, 04:15 PM
I heard one of his favorite albums was "Another Green World", that's an odd one but it works.

@Corpse; The best one I've personally read is really hard to get, it covers his first decade and its called "DANCE MUSIC SEX ROMANCE"; has a lot of input not only to the way Prince was recording, but the tours, the relationship with The Revolution, how he was handling his business. There was another one I read that was decent that covered about just to Musicology, but I'm not sure how strongly I feel about it. Matos' book on Sign Of The Times was cool but I also haven't picked it up in about forever. I'm going to have to soon obviously in reflecting.

rubberdingyrapids
28-04-2016, 05:01 PM
I heard one of his favorite albums was "Another Green World", that's an odd one but it works.


proof?

this is maybe the best prince docu - i highly recommend it. from bbc omnibus in the 90s.
https://www.facebook.com/316507635225335/videos/347936958749069/

craner
28-04-2016, 05:08 PM
Barney Hoskyns wrote a Prince book in the '80s, I believe.

droid
29-04-2016, 01:00 PM
Yeah I saw someone in guardian comments thread link to That quite mental


"And then that whole thing with the guitar going up in the air. I didn’t even see who caught it. I just saw it go up, and I was astonished that it didn’t come back down again. Everybody wonders where that guitar went, and I gotta tell you, I was on the stage, and I wonder where it went, too."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/28/arts/music/prince-guitar-rock-hall-of-fame.html?_r=0

I'm still trying to figure this out - maybe some kind of hook attached to the back of the strap that yanked it above the stage after he threw it?

CrowleyHead
29-04-2016, 01:29 PM
proof?

this is maybe the best prince docu - i highly recommend it. from bbc omnibus in the 90s.
https://www.facebook.com/316507635225335/videos/347936958749069/

Yeah my father had this on VHS. I think he digitized it but I can't remember.

Also as far as the Green World quote, it comes from Eno.

http://pitchfork.com/features/interview/7723-brian-eno/


For instance, some quite odd people have said, either in interviews or directly to me, that they were influenced by me. Prince, for example, said Another Green World was a very important record for him, apparently, in an interview. I've never met him, so I don't have this from his own mouth, but it was in an interview.

Benny B
29-04-2016, 02:35 PM
just watched the SOTT movie for the first time and it is mindblowing, basically a whole string of 'how the fuck did he do that' moments. I like it better than the actual album.

rubberdingyrapids
29-04-2016, 05:00 PM
piece on prince and dance music -

http://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2013/10/we-all-wanna-be-prince-the-purple-ones-impact-on-dance-music

Corpsey
29-04-2016, 09:10 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07854fr#play

Benji B 3 hour tribute

craner
29-04-2016, 09:10 PM
I remember watching that SOTT film years ago and if memory serves 'Housequake' was particularly brilliant, but I can't remember why.

craner
29-04-2016, 09:13 PM
I think people are pretty hard on the Batman soundtrack, though. But maybe that's because it was the second album I ever brought after Poison 'Flesh & Blood', a ten year old with scarce pocket money.

rubberdingyrapids
02-05-2016, 10:16 AM
benji b did a good tribute.
much better than any of the crap tributes on 6music.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07854fr#play
obv someone who has actually listened to prince beyond the singles.

Corpsey
02-05-2016, 06:29 PM
Any clever ppl know how to rip that show?

luka
03-05-2016, 11:04 PM
Two words for the DEA investigating where prince got his drugs over the decades.... Arsenio Hall (AKA Prince's and Eddie Murphy's bitch) Anyone imagining prince was not a long time hard drug user is living in cloud cuckoo land. Arsenio I've reported you to the Carver County Sherrif's office. Expect their call. They are aware you spiked me years ago at Eddie murphy's house. You best get tidying your man cave.

subvert47
23-05-2016, 08:52 PM
I can't stand Prince.

I can't get excited enough for that. Clearly Prince was hugely talented and everything. But for me his music was all just a bit meh.

Leo
23-05-2016, 09:07 PM
Any clever ppl know how to rip that show?

http://corenews.me/benji-b-exploring-future-beats-2016-04-28-prince-tribute/

Corpsey
24-05-2016, 09:06 AM
Cheers!

jorge
25-05-2016, 11:51 PM
anyone at fabric for ricardo villalobos the other week? He kept teasing in what I'm sure is a prince tune, Im really struggling to find which 1 it was though, I would have thought it was controversy era but can't seem to track it down, its kind of mysterious sounding, right tempo to mix with house, sparse arrangement, vague i know but any ideas?

rubberdingyrapids
26-05-2016, 10:17 AM
was it 'all the critics love u in new york'?

did it have any words?

Benny B
26-05-2016, 03:02 PM
Something off 1999, lady cab driver or dmsr maybe?

Benny B
26-05-2016, 03:17 PM
I remember watching that SOTT film years ago and if memory serves 'Housequake' was particularly brilliant, but I can't remember why.




All the live versions of housequake ive seen are better than the album version.


Not on the movie, but strange relationship is another great SOTT track that grows muscles live, taking on a monstrous 'superstitious' -like groove that the original lacks a bit (maybe partly cos of the crappy mastering on that album?)

craner
26-05-2016, 09:43 PM
'1999' is a favorite. Too long, but I do love over ambitious albums even if they do contain filler, partly why I always defended 'Wu Tang Forever'. I always loved the hidden gems on that album: 'All the Critics Love You...', 'Lady Cab Driver', 'Something in the Water (Does not Compute)', 'International Lover'...

droid
04-08-2016, 03:10 PM
I never knew Tom Waits was a fan.


“Prince is really state of the art and he still kicks my ass,” Waits told Musician ’s Mark Rowland. “Prince is rare, a rare exotic bird . . . To be that popular and that uncompromising, it’s like Superman walking through a wall.”

rubberdingyrapids
01-09-2016, 04:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S5tDk99DCc

this is one of my favourite prince things
though probably not for everyone.
its just prince doing his james brown/morris day impression for 15 minutes with nothing but bass and drums (played by morris day).
prob the most minimal thing he ever did.
for when you dont want to hear princes 80s chintz.

(doing my bit to activate the forum)

luka
01-09-2016, 04:40 PM
Don't know that one. I'll put it on when Im preparing my dinner tonight. I've been stuck on this one
Sticky Like Glue: http://youtu.be/WVZxrONlqsA

rubberdingyrapids
01-09-2016, 04:46 PM
im staying at someones house where im forced to listen to what cds they have so ive been working through the crystal ball outtakes set. some of it is shocking.

i dont know that one at all but its a good one.

jorge
02-09-2016, 10:19 PM
love that bacon skin tune, btw thanks for the suggestions, i managed to find the tune villalobos played and its this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsSv7ZOWq5k which seems to only be available as an edit from expensive discogs sellers

Corpsey
10-12-2016, 09:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ON0nQCQF08

rubberdingyrapids
16-12-2016, 02:21 PM
that was so good. prince was obv way ahead of sports direct and jd sports when it came to unreasonable staff contracts lol.

Corpsey
20-12-2016, 11:30 AM
http://www.gq.com/story/prince-stories

'He was a legend, a virtuoso, one of the true gods of music. But he was also (at times, anyway) a person in the world like anyone else. He liked to send goofy Internet memes to his friends. He made really good scrambled eggs. He rode his bike a lot, went to the hardware store, called old friends late at night. Chris Heath spoke with band members, fellow artists, and Paisley Park veterans about the life and times of Prince Rogers Nelson—the real Prince, the man so few people got to know before he was gone.'

Corpsey
20-12-2016, 12:02 PM
'Hayes: We have a thing called Caribou Coffee in Minnesota, which is like Starbucks. He'd go over there, and he didn't have any pockets. He didn't have a wallet or any credit cards. He just had cash he'd carry in his hand—like, a $100 bill. And whoever took his order, they'd have a good day, 'cause he'd buy his coffee drink and then just leave the whole hundred. He doesn't wait for any change because he doesn't have anywhere to put it.'

Corpsey
20-12-2016, 12:14 PM
'Lowers: I recently heard they found a fully custom-painted BMX bike in his vault with videos of competitive BMX riding. I don't doubt it. He was not only quick on the bike but nimble.'

Corpsey
31-01-2017, 03:32 PM
http://consequenceofsound.net/2017/01/princes-catalog-to-hit-all-streaming-services-on-february-12th/

Now I'll be able to participate in this thread without spending a dime.

Bit sad, really.

Corpsey
28-02-2017, 12:56 PM
'For You' - I have retained 'Soft and Wet' and 'Crazy You' from this. I'm now onto 'Prince', which has got the 1/2 punch of 'wanna be ur lover' and 'why you wanna treat me so bad' and after that seems to be mostly disposable. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Actually 'Bambi' is good cos of the lyrics 'It's better with a man' LOL

craner
28-02-2017, 10:39 PM
Have always been a fan of 'Crazy You': an early, lost Prince classic.

Corpsey
02-03-2017, 12:15 PM
https://www.mixcloud.com/toddedwards3000/prince-mix-for-daft-pop-up-party/

An all Prince mix by Todd the Godd, apparently featuring some edits by the Godd himself.

CrowleyHead
02-03-2017, 05:44 PM
Y'all gotta stop calling Todd Edwards Todd the God for a moment I thought a good DJ was going to be here.

Corpsey
02-03-2017, 05:53 PM
:crylarf: