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11-02-2016, 03:50 PM
First with a tune from 2015. Keep up. But I love this tune. Like, really, really like it. Like, really like it.

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11-02-2016, 04:28 PM
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Bandgang for 2016.

12-02-2016, 03:16 PM

12-02-2016, 08:42 PM
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16-02-2016, 09:51 AM
where does dissensus stand on kevin gates? i find him really solid but also slightly boring. cant quite figure out all the support he has, except that people need an underdog without much personality to get behind every so often.

16-02-2016, 09:56 AM
Couldn't care less about him but I barely engage with any music any more tbh.

16-02-2016, 09:57 AM
Another z-ro. But of singing bit of rapping. Bad songwriting. Boring.

16-02-2016, 11:00 AM
where does dissensus stand on kevin gates? i find him really solid but also slightly boring. cant quite figure out all the support he has, except that people need an underdog without much personality to get behind every so often.

He's never bettered Stranger Than Fiction for me, I absolutely battered that tape. I mean this is one of the sexiest rap songs ever:


There aren't many tracks that make you want to have a wank.

And then this is just pure beautiful ignorance:


Decent when he's angry too:


My mate always said he sounds like he has Downs Syndrome but I don't hear it.

16-02-2016, 11:39 AM
2 Phones is a banger. I can only take him in small doses tbh.

16-02-2016, 12:51 PM

good, if rather generic

16-02-2016, 01:14 PM
Gates is great.

17-02-2016, 02:05 AM
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Bandgang for 2016.

Really good. Sounds like Dignity of Labour by Human League, which makes it even better.

17-02-2016, 11:35 AM
This is crazy psychedelic

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17-02-2016, 12:09 PM

this one is even more ridiculous

17-02-2016, 12:10 PM
i love him. basically everything on youtube from that is amazing.


17-02-2016, 12:12 PM

17-02-2016, 03:02 PM
Yeah really rate his latest tape.


I found this quite an entertaining and interesting read.

17-02-2016, 04:12 PM
I force myself to try every new Lil Boosie tape but I just can't get it, why is he so popular?

17-02-2016, 05:05 PM
Cos he expresses emotion/pain in a very direct unmediated way and he has the voice of a delta blues singer from 1938

17-02-2016, 05:06 PM
But if you listen to fuck the police and still don't get it it's not for you

17-02-2016, 05:12 PM
i want to but dont get the appeal of most the young thug songs ive heard since his first tape. on that one, it was obvious how he was/could be great, as the beats were as different as he was, but since then, i dunno, i find a lot of his beat choices a bit dull (then again, also have to admit i have not heard all the 354345 songs he has released so i am probably missing out a lot)

17-02-2016, 05:43 PM
Why do you want to? I don't get it. It's OK not to like it

17-02-2016, 05:46 PM
But if you're serious the only thing I can recommend is getting very high and listening. Smoke some weed take some drugs

17-02-2016, 05:51 PM
idk, i like hip-hop, so it would be nice to know you 'get' what everyone is raving about (and i do still like 1017 thug).

17-02-2016, 07:49 PM
At the risk of bringing Crowley's wrath down upon me (and of being completely wrong), Id say that liking hip hop is no guarantee of liking Thug, cos what's he's doing is so different from what rap has previously been. Obviously he's part of a general trend for using autotune and sing/rapping but I see no reason why liking Nas or Jay-Z or even Gucci (maybe not even FUTURE) would make him somebody you'd naturally like.

And don't forget, a good number of ppl still absolutely HATE him and think he's a load of incomprehensible shit.

I was sort of locked in from Condo Music and Pikachu, absolutely loved Danny Glover and then the Rich Gang tape ushered in this current incarnation with his sweet melodies and joyfulness mixed with rage.

I'd say if you don't like Givenchy off the Rich Gang tape, say... You just don't like him.

17-02-2016, 07:53 PM
As for Boosie, he's got real honesty in his lyrics and like 2pac he balances awareness of his own problems with empathy for people from his community. He's a folk singer/hero, essentially.

Saying that I don't think his post jail stuff is the most appealing part of his catalogue. A lot of trap production. I like his older stuff with the more baton roguey production.

His voice is Marmite though.

17-02-2016, 10:14 PM
You lot don't seem particularly enamoured with this stuff, but I'll post it just in case.


17-02-2016, 10:32 PM



18-02-2016, 03:10 AM
At the risk of bringing Crowley's wrath down upon me (and of being completely wrong), Id say that liking hip hop is no guarantee of liking Thug, cos what's he's doing is so different from what rap has previously been.

I agree with this actually. People who like The Beatles not liking Duran Duran or whatever doesn't shock me, its an evolution of a playing field. Not everything does it for everyone because different things get emphasized. Case in point was the dialog with Luka being very disengaged with the Marci/Ka thing and me being very eager to enjoy it. Much different expectations for age, location, other things I'm probably forgetting.

I will say though I'm a huge Thug fan and I think Givenchy is boring as piss.

18-02-2016, 03:14 AM
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YFN Lucci dropped a tape though, so the year perking up!

18-02-2016, 08:47 AM
its not that i dont like HIM (its not like ive just come out of some cryogenic freezer ive been in since 1994 wondering why everyone isnt rapping like nas), i just think the songs arent as interesting as things like nigeria or 2 cups stuffed or picacho. actually im prob just not as big a fan as most people are, to really care that much about every single thing he makes, or think its all golden.

18-02-2016, 09:15 AM
I get where you're coming from, actually. Has he done anything this gloriously unhinged as this in a while?


I was a huge fan of Danny Glover and Eww and I'm now a huge fan of this one which has passed me by: http://www.hotnewhiphop.com/young-thug-cash-talk-prod-by-metro-boomin-and-808-mafia-new-song.1928158.html

I'd love a whole album/mixtape of this sort of Thugga song.

I'm gonna work my way through Noz's list of 2015 thugga songs: http://www.cocaineblunts.com/blunts/?p=8360

18-02-2016, 09:28 AM
condo music was incredible.

pacifier was good, and not just another lumbering, post-trap (idk what the current style should be called anymore), heavyweight banger. tbh im past the point of liking any rapper just for their voice/lyrics (or just cos they release 50 songs every month). if the beats arent compelling, then i dont really care. and most of the production hes using, from barter 6 to all these new mixtapes, i find it dull and monotonous. i think hes better suited to a weirder, more colourful sort of sound than straight up 808 bangers. i think the other diff is that those 1017 thug songs all had good hooks too (and for me the hooks were a major part of thugs appeal). the new ones just sound like another day in the studio.

18-02-2016, 09:52 AM

The way he sings ''Flaws'n'all'' on the hook here is completely out of leftfield. Ditto the harmonised hook to 'Halftime (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyCTZ8c-trc)'.

It's interesting how the comments under his videos are now generally positive. Perhaps this shows that his music HAS become more conventional since the days of Condo Music and Pikachu?

18-02-2016, 10:11 AM
Random Youtube rap song of the day


Meek Mill/Lil Durk/Shy Glizzy - Chiraq (2014)

19-02-2016, 02:44 PM
disturbing realisation that my line of the year so far is ''I'm bout to fuck the D.A. lady in her mouth, do'''

24-02-2016, 08:52 AM
this newish migos tape is good. theyre brilliant rappers IMO.

24-02-2016, 11:43 AM

24-02-2016, 12:11 PM







25-02-2016, 12:24 PM
gates is alright actually, am listening to islah right now, but its weird cos quite a bit of the stuff ive read on him is about how real and honest he is, but it sounds weirdly contrived to me. like hes trying REALLY hard to sound down to earth and honest, which ends up undoing his gravitas a little bit. kinda like freddie gibbs. i have a slight aversion to these 'look how normal i am' kind of artists. all a bit ed og.

25-02-2016, 12:28 PM
I thought he was all about tonguing arseholes?

25-02-2016, 12:29 PM
gates? i dunno. im 9 tracks in and no asshole tongueing lyrics yet. shame cos that would make it better. hes talking about the struggle, but not about the struggle of tonguing someones arse. has any rapper ever rapped about liking the taste of another persons bumhole?

25-02-2016, 03:05 PM
Ever heard his Combat Jack episode? He's an interesting/crazy guy.

TBH I think with Gates I don't enjoy his voice enough to listen to him for a protracted period. I'll give Islah another go though cos I do like some of it and I love some of his hooks.

25-02-2016, 03:08 PM

26-02-2016, 02:15 AM
gates? i dunno. im 9 tracks in and no asshole tongueing lyrics yet. shame cos that would make it better. hes talking about the struggle, but not about the struggle of tonguing someones arse. has any rapper ever rapped about liking the taste of another persons bumhole?

ODB sang about it. And this thread :


26-02-2016, 08:25 AM
The arsehole is a real taboo in rap, isn't it? Kanye was at pains to deny Amber Rose's claims of him liking a finger up his one recently. (Insert 'Kanye IS an arsehole' joke, slowly, gently, and lathered in lubricative gel, here.)

26-02-2016, 10:38 AM

Rae Sremmurd - By Chance (2016)

26-02-2016, 10:46 AM

Plis - Ritz Carlton (2016)

26-02-2016, 11:01 AM

Yo Gotti - It Goes Down in the DM (2016)

I love the gram I love the gram
I'm addicted I know I am

26-02-2016, 06:37 PM
Arthur Russell sample:


26-02-2016, 08:27 PM
That Gotti song is amazing!

27-02-2016, 08:52 AM



27-02-2016, 06:35 PM
new keef


05-03-2016, 10:02 PM

(sorry Luka)

05-03-2016, 10:12 PM

(sorry Luka)

It's weird innit?

10-03-2016, 03:50 PM

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11-03-2016, 01:05 PM
im really into this yung lean album, warlord.

i never listened to him before and know next to nothing about him but i like how he sounds a bit amateur/novelty. total internet cult rapper. when he says i keep that kush on me, it sounds like someone pretending to be a rapper.

but beyond that, he has good taste in beats basically and sounds a bit depressed, which is mainly the appeal.

11-03-2016, 01:07 PM

definitely reminds me of that older Eminem on this

11-03-2016, 02:50 PM
I like Yung Lean. Kyoto is lovely.

11-03-2016, 02:51 PM
wrong thread

11-03-2016, 03:17 PM
the new french montana mixtape is good too. not really a clear standout so far - does feel like something hes sort of just knocked out without thinking about it v much, but montana does that puffed up new york shit talking kind of rap really well. hes a bit like rick ross. not a great rapper, per se, but he knows how to pick great beats, and basically deliver the goods each time, albeit at a low level of ambition.

edit - actually tbh im not sure its 'good', but its not 'bad' either. needs more montana, less guest boosts.

11-03-2016, 03:58 PM
Rick Ross is in another league to French Montana.

11-03-2016, 04:18 PM
Rick Ross is in another league to French Montana.


11-03-2016, 05:03 PM

11-03-2016, 05:04 PM
Point 1. Crowley said once that Rick Ross could become the GOAT

11-03-2016, 05:05 PM
Point 2. Neither are 'artists' but both are responsible for extremely good songs.

11-03-2016, 05:06 PM
Point 3. Rick Ross is a better writer and has a better voice better clothes, better star

11-03-2016, 07:19 PM
better clothes

That's not true.

And the latter's not true either, because French Montana has infiltrated the world of black American Romantic Comedies. He's one-upped Ross ever so smoothly.

11-03-2016, 09:13 PM
Ir is true. I follow French on Facebook

11-03-2016, 09:14 PM
He's been posting a picture of him and nas where he's Wearing neck brace

11-03-2016, 09:16 PM
You're a student you don't even care about clothes. You don't think to match your hat to shoes

11-03-2016, 09:17 PM
Hat and shoes are extremities and should always play off each other

11-03-2016, 09:18 PM
There's a lot of ways to match colours but don't pretend they don't exist

11-03-2016, 09:31 PM
Top rappers are always aware of hues of extremities

11-03-2016, 10:21 PM
Chain with you wearing the chain on the chain

12-03-2016, 02:01 PM
He's been posting a picture of him and nas where he's Wearing neck brace

That's going to be a very legendary photo 10 years from now when kids are looking at pics of him on the digital media circuit of the 2020s. Some sort of simulated virtual museum of media. With a lowercase T.

14-03-2016, 10:03 AM
ross is the better rapper/vocalist/general presence, majestic and hilarious in his pomposity

but montana is good for goon-rap, slightly stupid, lacking in self awareness, but has a lot of spirit, also feels like one of the best things new york has got right now, in terms of having that directness which cuts through both asap-style trendiness and artsiness and joey badass 1990s-derivations, hes like puffy's new black rob

ross is like avon barksdale, montana is like weebie or someone (yes i am doing corny wire analogies)

15-03-2016, 12:11 PM
the production on the wayne/2 chainz album is incredible.

18-03-2016, 11:35 AM





21-03-2016, 11:07 AM


Didn't expect to like this at all but it's big dumb fun for the most part.

21-03-2016, 11:13 AM
Random rap song of the day


Gucci Mane - Hurry (2009)

21-03-2016, 04:31 PM

Royce Da 5'9" - Dead Presidents Heads (2016)

Suppoedly goes at Kevin Gates and Tyler the Creator on this.

23-03-2016, 10:15 AM

R.I.P. Phife. ATCQ were probably my favourite rap group of all time, just edging out Wu Tang (if we discount solo albums), and only recently I was listening to The Low End Theory for the first time in YEARS and was surprised to find that I knew most of the lyrics, or the rhythms at least. What a great contrast of vocal tones him and Q-Tip had.

Sort-of on topic, there's a really good J Dilla Primer in the latest WIRE, as well as a fantastic review of The Life of Pablo by Simon Reynolds. (And a column by third-rate Reynolds knock-off yours truly, too.)

23-03-2016, 10:25 AM

His tone was amazing. Interplay with Q-tip was uniquely natural. Always waited for his bars in the tune.

23-03-2016, 10:39 AM
I always felt like Q-Tip was the star of ATCQ (saying this as someone who discovered them in 1998!), but I think I just preferred his voice. But of course they were both #bettertogether...

23-03-2016, 10:56 AM
Toast and butter.

24-03-2016, 01:33 AM
Can he kick it? Yes he can!

05-04-2016, 08:57 AM




05-04-2016, 12:35 PM
The 21st century version of Talking Heads- The Overload


05-04-2016, 12:46 PM
Wow that's ugly and unlistenable.

13-04-2016, 11:12 AM

14-04-2016, 07:09 AM
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14-04-2016, 08:46 AM
Very good. Here's the whole mixtape:


15-04-2016, 09:35 PM

23-04-2016, 10:23 AM
The Bankroll Mafia album is really good.

24-04-2016, 11:32 AM

How many times has this bassline cropped up in rap over the last five years? Banger, though.

24-04-2016, 11:49 AM
This is crazy psychedelic

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I posted that on the first page. Tune, still.

24-04-2016, 11:54 AM
The Bankroll Mafia album is really good.

Thanks I missed that!

27-04-2016, 02:15 PM

Domo Genesis feat. Zzz Kalifah, Juicy J and Tyler - GO (Gas)

Like the beat on this, guessing it's Tyler? Always used to enjoy his beats but not listened to any OF in a while.

Heard a bit of the ASAP Ferg album. Ferg is trash but the beats are good. He's really lucked out being mates with ASAP Rocky, who really lucked out being mates with ASAP Yams.

27-04-2016, 03:52 PM

29-04-2016, 09:17 AM
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Lil Durk feat Kid Ink - Good Good (2016)

I like the Bop-py feel of this.

10-05-2016, 10:01 AM
The Bankroll Mafia album is really good.

Yeah finally listened to this and it's great, reminds me of the Rich Gang tape. I like Thug as part of an ensemble.

13-05-2016, 09:55 AM


This tape is good, Banging Mustard-style beats and he's a decent rapper. Perfect for a sunny day.

14-05-2016, 02:10 PM
This one's kind of old but


Lil Durk - Waffle House (2016)

This one's even older but I just remembered how great it is the other day


Young Scooter feat Gucci Mane - Work (2013)

19-05-2016, 09:57 AM
Now y'all blokes know I hate Drake as much as the next man, but this is well 'ard

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20-05-2016, 08:35 AM

21-05-2016, 02:19 PM
Gio Dee



21-05-2016, 10:11 PM
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Produced by Zaytoven, as is the whole tape.

21-05-2016, 10:15 PM

That second one isn't on the tape I don't think.

I like this tape a lot more than I anticipated I would. It's infectiously upbeat.

EDIT: Now on Spotify

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Wrote a review of this for The Wire but it turned out to be superfluous so I might as well post it here (with all due embarrassment):

Chance the Rapper – Coloring Book
“This is for the kids of the king of all kings” raps Chicago’s Kanye-anointed saviour on his follow up to 2013’s acclaimed Acid Rap. For Chance, one suspects, toddler-ness is close to Godliness, for this mixtape is as much a paean to lost innocence (witness the Peter Pan imagery of ‘Same Drugs’) as it is to finding the Almighty. In the notoriously violent Chicago, where “summer friends don’t stay around”, such innocence is under constant threat, and Coloring Book aims, in the rapturous choral voice of Gospel, to “clean up the streets so my daughter can have somewhere to play.” Pointedly independent, Chance is “anti-label”, because the labels have told him they own his friends. Well, here Chance gets to play with those friends, rapping and singing alongside (amongst others) the tantrum-prone Kanye, the baby-faced Justin Bieber and the baby-voiced Young Thug (as well as some actual kids in the form of Chicago’s Children’s Choir). Even God is more buddy to Chance than deity (“he think my new shit jam/I think we mutual fans”). Music, this mixtape argues, is a playpen for all ages. Hallelujah! It had this atheistic critic gurgling like a swaddled infant in the presence of CBEEBIES.

21-05-2016, 10:18 PM
This mixtape is banging, I expected psychedelic boom bap

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27-05-2016, 09:49 AM
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Halfway into this tape and it's worth checking out.

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Fat Joe and Remy Ma's 'All the Way Up' (feat. Zelig Montana) is getting a big push with a remix featuring Jay-Z. Meek and Fab did a version on which Meek takes more shots at Drake. It's pretty catchy, even if it strikes me as a less-good version of French's 'Shot Call'er:

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27-05-2016, 09:56 AM
Shouts to my ILX plugs for bringing this to my attention:

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Entirely produced by Cardo, this has a real Californian vibe (right down to the All Eyez On Me referencing cover art), but Patroll Giovanni is from Detroit.

27-05-2016, 11:11 AM
Here's a long article from GQ about Bobby Schumurda getting sent down just as he was blowing up: http://www.gq.com/story/bobby-shmurda-trial

Not read it yet but I can imagine it's depressing.

In other rappers vs. the law news, Gucci Mane has been free a day and is releasing a mixtape tonight(!), and Troy Ave has been arrested for his alleged involvement in a fatal shooting at a T.I. concert in New York: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36395249/rapper-troy-ave-is-arrested-over-the-fatal-shooting-at-a-ti-gig

27-05-2016, 01:15 PM
i like the chance album more musically than lyrically. i like that he can say stuff like 'happy thoughts!' and it not be hollow. but musically, i think its amazing, better than the kendrick album. its futuristic in a way. sort of proves that you can be futuristic without having to be hard/street. and it does the soul/jazz rap stuff in a more progressive/interesting way than to pimp....

27-05-2016, 03:22 PM
From what I can tell, he's the most mainstream artist to incorporate footwork influences (back on Acid Rap), so he gets futurist points for that.

27-05-2016, 03:47 PM
theres a few songs on the new one that refer to juke too

27-05-2016, 10:40 PM
I think Chance is totally indebted to Kendrick (and Kanye, of course). People hate Kanye but he was one of the big names in rap who opened rap up to all this other music, and to being artsy AND street (for Chance this means featuring Young Thug and Future).

New Roc Marciano album is coming soon, and new YG.

30-05-2016, 07:52 AM

i liked this

30-05-2016, 11:13 AM
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2 Chainz being 2 Chainz.

30-05-2016, 12:20 PM

i liked this

Ferg sounds like Badness when he sings.

I always like it when hip hop producers play around with the 808 bass. I can think of a couple of other examples.



I'd appreciate it if people could post some other tracks with subversive 808 bass on them.

30-05-2016, 12:22 PM

2 Chainz being 2 Chainz.

And thank god he is, this is great.

31-05-2016, 03:37 AM
This mixtape is banging, I expected psychedelic boom bap

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Most of what Underachievers and Flatbush Zombies is worth at least one listen. I loved this track from a few years back, and their project together, Clockwork Indigo, was, again, worth a cursory punt.

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31-05-2016, 08:30 AM
The Underachievers album is great.

31-05-2016, 09:01 AM
One of them raps 'Troy Ave will never winnnnnn!' on this, in response to Troy making fun of Joey Badass's mate jumping off a building. I guess karma DOES keep 'a hundred clips', given what's happened to Troy now. :eek:

31-05-2016, 03:01 PM
the bankroll mafia album is a waste of time IMO. im at the 'now finding him only irritating' stage of young thug appreciation. fuck this shit up is quite good. TI sounds better than he has in a while. but as a whole, its like a crew album in need of a definitive crew-love banger.

31-05-2016, 05:22 PM
Yeah, I decided it was crass and couldnt work out what track I wanted to keep. I didn't keep any, in the end. Download, delete.

31-05-2016, 05:24 PM
I think I just hate "hooks" though. They used to be choruses. Now they're a "hit delete" button.

01-06-2016, 12:49 PM
im very proud that i still havent heard the drake album.

02-06-2016, 06:57 AM
I don't mind Drake at all. I don't listen to him but don't mind him at all in shops etc when I get to go to any.

06-06-2016, 09:22 AM
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06-06-2016, 10:23 AM
i like drake, i like hotline bling, i like a lot of his songs. the one that i think might be my fave though is the motto. that beat could almost be a minimal house thing (or that might just be my retrospective ears playing a trick on me). but i think album-wise, take care was the peak, and hes steadily declined since then.

07-06-2016, 12:59 PM
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11-06-2016, 07:09 PM

Kodak Black - Can I

From his new mixtape available on Dat Piff

I've realised this is one of the greatest Lil Boosie tracks ever not made by Lil Boosie.

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13-06-2016, 11:06 AM
Not 2016 rap, but Spotify shuffle just hipped me to the fact that 50 Cent once did a track with a hook based on a COLDPLAY SONG.


17-06-2016, 05:51 AM
speaking of kodak. this has been on repeat for the last week


17-06-2016, 09:55 AM
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YG - Still Brazy album out on Spotify (other streaming services are available)

21-06-2016, 07:48 PM
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This ain't all that but Roc flows his arse off as usual and whets my appetite for the album.

He takes baths with an Uzi FFS

22-06-2016, 09:30 AM
He takes baths with an Uzi FFS



25-06-2016, 05:13 PM


This is SUCH a tune, thank you.

27-06-2016, 06:36 PM
Young Thug Warrior

600Breezy 24 Bars Pt. 3

30-06-2016, 04:02 PM
That sample sure sounds familiar

30-06-2016, 08:19 PM
Shame the song's shit.

30-06-2016, 08:44 PM
That sample sure sounds familiar

I posted this a couple of months back on Corpsey's 'The British Are Coming Thread', it'll be interesting to see if 1) grime influenced american stuff becomes a thing and 2) if they will be able to go anywhere with it.

30-06-2016, 09:05 PM
It's just another sample source/sound pallette really isn't it? Like Indian stuff in the early '00s

01-07-2016, 12:18 AM
It's just another sample source/sound pallette really isn't it? Like Indian stuff in the early '00s

Yeah, except its done consciously as a gesture to attract arty types. Even at its worst, I don't think backpack ever was like "Let's sample X because people will talk about how we sampled X."

01-07-2016, 07:38 AM
Perhaps not, but grabs for other markets (primarily rock but also country and, arguably, eurodance) have been commonplace since the beginning.

01-07-2016, 07:41 AM
And ultimately they're a good bunch of sounds to steal, which is the important thing.

01-07-2016, 07:58 AM
Kanye and his basic sample choices
Daft punk
Aphex twin

01-07-2016, 08:03 AM
Kanye has interns whose job it is to listen to benji b podcasts and read fact magazine

01-07-2016, 01:05 PM
Kanye has interns whose job it is to listen to benji b podcasts and read fact magazine

Its like the painters who have a dozen hired guns to do the actual 'labor' of painting for them. A couple people get to do that in rap to his success; Dre, Drake, Puffy, etc.

I like when Eski sounds accidently emerge. You know Freaky Girl by Gucci Mane has the same soundkits as "Eskimo"? Timpani sound, those weird taps... Obv. the accidental proximity of Wiley and Gucci on a song is a OMG moment for me.

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On the flipside, this kid made a lazy rap bangeur with an arty/styalized 'trap video', raps competently but hollowly, but over some grime noises which have AESTHETIC VALUE, its less attraction to the sounds for their own value. Great for those who know nothing about what he's doing, but has a sour milk desperation for me of someone who knows they need to stay on blogs.

01-07-2016, 01:09 PM

this one is grimeish too

01-07-2016, 03:06 PM
Yeah, loved that one when you pointed it out years ago.

06-07-2016, 09:00 AM
MikeWillMadeIt... into The New Yorker


08-07-2016, 01:29 PM
New Schoolboy Q album. Not listened yet:

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12-07-2016, 06:39 PM
MikeWillMadeIt... into The New Yorker


808 Mafia and Metro Boomin up next!

Whole mixtape bangs.

13-07-2016, 11:45 AM
Martorialist has accused Reynolds of racism - thoughts?

I must admit I didn't see anything racist in the paragraph he quotes when I first read it, but I can sort of see what he's getting at. It's also a huge generalisation to say that rap is 'based on' being obnoxious, although bragging is obviously a huge element of it, and obnoxious values are in no short supply.

Actually, coincidentally this was one part of Reynolds review I didn't agree with, but because he said 'you wouldn't want to be them'. I think a lot of people would, at least temporarily, and if only as a fantasy. And I don't think that's unique to rap music, either, or even to music.

I would never have pegged Reynolds as a racist, that said. He champions a lot of 'black' music in his writing. Its obvious he's not as interested in rapping as in rap production but I think he's written interesting stuff about rappers in the past, if only as a springboard to discuss capitalism and neoliberalism, etc.

Of further interest is that I rememeber luka suggesting that the martorialist is a sort of a racist in the past.

13-07-2016, 12:02 PM
Martorialist is definitely on shaky ground yeah although that was my mate not me.

13-07-2016, 12:11 PM
martorialist doesnt really argue his point enough. FWIW reynolds writes in energy flash about trip hop being hip hop for those who cant handle 'black rage'.

personally, i think hes such a rocker, even in spite of years of writing about rap and dance (he is still the lone 'can you explain this stuff to us please' person for those genres, for rock fans/critics of a certain age, as if hes the only one who can write about dance music - really its just that he writes about it in terms they understand, hes a classic example of yer old rocksplainer), that he cant ever let those old conceits, and yes, prejudices that come from rock, go really.

i remember one old blog entry, which seemed quite angry at the reinforcement of 'the status quo' in R&B and black pop. i think he mostly admires modern black music in that way a lot of progressive rock critics do, for being 'state of the art', and 'cutting edge', etc etc, so if its not that, its boring and worthless. hes a bit sniffy about anything that isnt about that. which i think is unfair. his like of most black music to me reads more academic and ideological than actual passion (like 'now isnt this progressive' rather than 'i love this').

that paragraph about TLOP is kind of similar, though TLOP is a sort of unique case, as the album is all about being an asshole, and exploring being an asshole, in an industry of similar assholes (one of the early lines from kanye is about an asshole, as if to make the point more obvious), in a time of great assholism (though its main flaw is that kanye just embodies this, rather than critique or ever challenge or display awareness of it). does he dismiss rock assholes quite so readily? (genuine question, idk the answer). in fairness, i get where hes coming from, even though its generalising a bit: modern rap isnt only about this, but it does heavily promote being an asshole. future, drake, kanye, all at the bleeding edge of assholism. its an art in itself. how to be a bigger one than the next man.

reynolds once gave a shout out to 'my nigga simon frith' on his blog. not sure if its still there. it prob is. he isnt one to renounce anything hes said.

and here it is.

Thursday, September 11, 2003

Thursday, September 11, 2003
… course Dizzee & all that lott I’m sure are totally unaware of all this feverish bloggoid discourse around them… and probably just as well…

… the most striking thing about the Mercury result, what with Ms Dynamite last year, is that it’s the second year running that someone who’s not only UK “urban” but who came up through the pirates has won it. Which suggests that it’s actually some kinda objective fact that pirate radio/h-core continuum is actually the UK’s leading edge, this nation’s saving grace…

… “objective”, maybe, but far from accepted. My God those comments from the public are kinda scary--fear, condescension, “it’s just not music”… it’s easy to forget that most bits of the UK don’t have any black people or Asians…

… feeling oddly vindicated in my grime-as-digital-folk theory by learning that the Mercury panel includes Colin Irwin, Melody Maker’s folk music expert in days of yore. He used to write about Martin Carthy and such, and now his own personal Mercury fave is… Dizzee Rascal! Blew his socks off apparently. (Fall fiends might want to search out a great piece by Colin on the band making Hex Enduction Hour in Iceland, it’s on the web somewhere… look for early cameo appearance of Einar from the Sugarcubes)

… Simon Frith, you my nigga 4 life…
Posted by SIMON REYNOLDS at 9:23 AM

13-07-2016, 02:06 PM
LoL @ 'the Dissensus truther' in the comments section.

I'll have to re read the TLOP review, cos I can't really remember most of it.

The funny thing re Reynolds attitude to 'progressivism' in rap music is that it seems generally to apply more to the beats than the rapping. As far as I recall, Reynolds was dismissive of yer Mos Defs, but perhaps that was cos the beats were all jazzy and trad

13-07-2016, 04:15 PM
I mean he's said repeatedly that rap has been devoid of thematic characters, so that when Gucci Mane was heralded as new ground he didn't see it. Which is fine if you're judging rap in the pop sensibility that say, "Where's the new characters" a la Rock/Pop with guys like Bowie, Adam Ant, Michael Jackson, whomever the fuck. But it speaks to patience with artists to do it on their terms, and Simon's definitely shown that he doesn't even care enough to respond negatively to the lack of development beyond a "*headscratching* I'm supposed to care about this?" a la his desc. of the Popcaan album Mixpak put out.

But he does the same to rock, so I'm not TOOOOOO upset, its just proof that maybe the guy who once was so eager to talk about how like, Beastie Boys and Public Enemy hated 'faggots and bitches' because he was jerking off to the Stud Brothers being such 'bad boys'. The assertion of nihilism and gross-out masculinity as a rebellion against the earnestness and shimmery puritanicalism of content-crusading 80s acts....

Can you tell I'm a terrible fanboy of this dork as much as I'm out here bullying him? ;D I digress.

While playing tit-for-tat with Martorialist and Reynolds as to whose the bigger racist is a cute pastime, its pointless and I'm not interested in who's the less puritanical older white male. I feel it says a lot though that Reynolds is looked to as someone to make sense of TLOP when really he hasn't the experience beyond a very good assessment of 808s and Heartbreaks in contrast to Chinese Democracy way back when (again! The Rap against Rock war is an easy ideological conflict, and was done under the guise of discussing the sterility of music in the digital age, auto-tune, ego, etc.). I don't particularly want to hear Simon's comments on Kanye West because quite frankly he has no contextual validity to talking about it...

Anyway it says a lot that there's a bunch of new rap events/content always happening, and we (dissensus) think talking about SIMON is a point of interest. I'm just saying.

13-07-2016, 06:28 PM
Well, I did think twice about posting about it here. It's a sideshow thing really but obviously Simon and his writing has a connection to this forum and so I thought it might be of interest.

14-07-2016, 02:10 AM
Well, I did think twice about posting about it here. It's a sideshow thing really but obviously Simon and his writing has a connection to this forum and so I thought it might be of interest.

Oh I mean it's a good conversation topic by all means, just weird that say you posting the YG album gets less reactions than this topic I suppose.

14-07-2016, 09:28 AM
YG album is one of the best things ive heard this year, rap-wise. hes not much of a personality really, but i give him credit for doing songs about black/brown unity, and the song about donald trump (how can you not like a song with a chorus that goes FUCK DONALD TRUMP!). but, the best thing about the album, without getting all reynoldsy, is the beats (i actually DO think they are cutting edge and state of the art etc lol). it doesnt have that authority that MKL had, cos mustard isnt there, but the guys he replaced him with i think are still pretty great at nu-classic-west coast minimalism, even if they have the air of 2nd tierers (but i once liked 2nd tier dr dre producers too, so whats the difference). they make old samples ive heard a million times sound like 2016.

do any of you read/rate the full clip rap reviews column on the quietus? i wonder how many hits it gets.

14-07-2016, 03:15 PM
Ka's got a album coming out next month

15-07-2016, 10:48 AM
Yeah, properly looking forward to Ka and Roc Marci's albums this year. Sremmlife 2 also.

New 21 Savage tape produced entirely by Metro Boomin

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Who does 21 Savage remind me of? That kind of rapping where it's barely even bothered enough to be rapping. Beats are grimey on this.

I need to listen to YG's album again and give Schoolboy Q a shot also.

15-07-2016, 11:08 AM
I don't like his version of 'Ocean Drive' as much as the Lighthouse Family's.

18-07-2016, 02:56 PM
this is old but a)its beautiful and makes everything on this thread look like trolling and
b)its new to me

27-07-2016, 01:44 PM
that ones alright. depends if you like mellower wu or prefer to hear ghostface-on-'run' kind of stuff.

i dont really like rap music anymore, but after my most recent spotify listening, i thought schoolboy q was quite unlikeable as a voice/personality, araabmuzik seems to be making big glossy EDM now, clams casino's 32 levels was good but just ended up a another producer compilation, and snoop's was the best of the lot. lots of weird funk beats.

01-08-2016, 11:42 AM
i want to like the schoolboy q album but find his voice grating. like hes an exaggeration. sort of the danny brown effect but less funny/animated, just a bit one dimensional and devoid/blunt as a persona. theres something thoroughly mediocre about him. hes like the u god to kendrick's raekwon. will prob change my mind once i hear it a few more times.

*simon reynolds once mentioned schoolboy q (http://blissout.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/two-thousand-and-fourteen-part-two.html)*

(random SR reference as i know this gets the people going)

01-08-2016, 11:51 AM

at some point i will attempt to listen to some of these albums reviewed in the link above, but, so far, im not feeling encouraged.
i like the idea of a guy being ultra hardcore, nihilistic, just a piece of shit in modern rap, but 21 savage has no gravitas to my ears. its hardly MOP or necro.

feeling the new kanye/gucci song champion.

01-08-2016, 12:50 PM
I don't mind 21 Savage as a rapper. His persona is sociopathic, of course, but what else is new?

Metro's production is, as you'd have predicted, the real draw. The production actually reminded me of 'Hell on Earth' era Mobb Deep - these very compact, often heavily filtered loops.

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02-08-2016, 11:49 PM
One of the producers Yyaldrin posted on the non-english rap thread. The rest is good, but it's more conventional lethargic cloud rap, which I think I'm more susceptible to than you lot.

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03-08-2016, 10:23 AM
hmmm that doesnt sound very cloud rap.

this is the best cloud rappy thing this year -

03-08-2016, 10:46 AM

the bass on this is immense

05-08-2016, 01:48 PM
Apparently reynolds book on glam rock is going to have a final chapter that talks about hip hop and some other stuff. Young thug springs to mind. Nikki minaj maybe? Anyway, it's an interesting line to draw.

05-08-2016, 02:04 PM
Oh yay, returning to Bowie as a thematic inspiration for visual androgyny zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.............

05-08-2016, 03:04 PM
does anyone in this thread actually read writers who write about rap?

andre3000 prob more important to young thug than bowie.
and prince more important to dre3000 than bowie.
and little richard and hendrix more important to prince than bowie.

(sounding exclusionist and separatist here i know, obv i know prince knew about bowie, but i think he was more of a general, cultural influence absorbed through osmosis rather than prince being a morrissey-like fan.)

(though in spite of all that, i imagine SR isnt drawing lines of influence, than just saying that rappers are more glam than most rockers today, or that the spirit/look of glam is there in rappers, as far as popular musicians today)

05-08-2016, 04:09 PM
Re: Young Thug, didn't that whole skinny jeans phenomenon predate Thug slightly? Seem to remember Wiz Kalifah going all glam first, but maybe I've got that mixed up? Kanye (as per) must have had something to do with that, right?

I don't really read any writers on rap anymore, but I noticed earlier today that Noz wrote a piece for FADER on Gucci post-release: http://www.thefader.com/2016/07/28/gucci-mane-cover-story-interview-everybody-looking

I would welcome any recommendations re: writers/critics on rap.

06-08-2016, 11:39 PM
Would skinny jeans really qualify as 'glam'? They were longtime called 'rockstar swag' to seperate from the perception of rap aesthetics being baggy 'hood gear' but whatever this discussion isn't going to land where it needs to here in Reynolds hands, not to return to the last time we brought him up with rap, he's just not capable at all.

08-08-2016, 09:44 AM
Would skinny jeans really qualify as 'glam'? They were longtime called 'rockstar swag' to seperate from the perception of rap aesthetics being baggy 'hood gear' but whatever this discussion isn't going to land where it needs to here in Reynolds hands, not to return to the last time we brought him up with rap, he's just not capable at all.

skinny jeans arent really what i think of when i think of glam style.
skinny jeans are more up there with people wearing ramones t shirts and suit blazers.

maybe SR just saw thug wear a skirt and thought 'aha!' (fair enough)
am interested to see who else he cites, though not sure i really buy it, unless you just mean some sort of gender-construct-questioning+general exuberance = glam, in which case, maybe you could throw minaj and a few others in there too. maybe camron and his pink panther phase will get a shout too.

The Pink Continuum





08-08-2016, 10:42 AM

08-08-2016, 11:25 AM


08-08-2016, 12:21 PM
Lil Uzi Vert - Lean

09-08-2016, 02:43 AM
Brilliant and hilarious :


09-08-2016, 05:00 PM
Yeah, properly looking forward to Ka and Roc Marci's albums this year. Sremmlife 2 also.

New 21 Savage tape produced entirely by Metro Boomin

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Who does 21 Savage remind me of? That kind of rapping where it's barely even bothered enough to be rapping. Beats are grimey on this.

I need to listen to YG's album again and give Schoolboy Q a shot also.

I really really like this.

09-08-2016, 05:01 PM
Super sparse.

15-08-2016, 09:46 AM
New Ka album! Not listened yet but looking forward to it...

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15-08-2016, 02:16 PM
And Sremmlife 2 is out too!

WATTBA, as the kids say...

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15-08-2016, 04:31 PM
i like semtexs show, and i know the big dawg is getting old, but westwood knows how to program bangers.


17-08-2016, 08:42 AM
old mate of mine i used to work in starbux with in 2000 just done a mix for sway in the morning. its good youll like it.


featuring BBNG, YG, Clams Casino, Vince Staples, Jazz Cartier, Live Evil, Kanye West, Ty Dolla Sign, The Weekend, Future, Schoolboy Q, Rihanna, Kevin Gates, Travis Scott, Young Thug, Quavo, Leaf, Lil Yachty, Nick Maclaren, Drake, Gucci Mane, Pusha T, Asap Mob, Samuel Truth, Rook Milo, DJ Luke Nasty, Project Pat

17-08-2016, 08:58 AM
He went from Starbucks to artist relations for Serato. The classic career curve.

You ever tempted to live in Cali Luka? Legal piff and all that.

17-08-2016, 09:00 AM
yeah i love the pacific rim. its always futuristic. they are always 10 years ahead...
that mix is summery and wavy like you wanted.

17-08-2016, 09:01 AM
Is it easy(ish) being a rap DJ nowadays? What with Serato and Traktor etc there's surely not much to it? (Other than selection of course.)

Mind you your mate seems to be doing some fancy shit.

I sometimes think I'd like to live in Southern California but I'd have no friends and all my friends would be a 13 hour flight away.

17-08-2016, 09:05 AM
7 minutes in samples/uses



17-08-2016, 09:06 AM
im definetly going to visit california soon. obsesssed with the idea.

17-08-2016, 09:11 AM
California was a target for me back when I was a skateboarder for obvious reasons. It's also the only US state I've visited. I went to San Francisco, Santa Barbara and Disneyland with my family when I was about 12. Barely remember it. But it's where I bought my first rap album, on cassette. ICE T - RETURN OF THE REAL.

17-08-2016, 09:12 AM
Big fan of the Rhianna into Kevin Gates mix. '2 Phones' is undeniable. He fucked his cousin who cares,,,

It's great hearing modern rap/rnb mixed so well. What other DJs do this?

17-08-2016, 09:19 AM
This Drake tune 'Hype' is also undeniable, as much as I hate the cunt.

This mix is doing for me what you were talking about with techno mixes - recontextualising them, making me appreciate them more. 'Low Life' e.g. I thought was decent but in the mix somehow it shines more.

17-08-2016, 09:34 AM
its important to listen to mixes. the hard part is finding good ones

18-08-2016, 12:54 PM
This isn't anything amazing but it stuck out for me while trawling through HNHH

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Also this by Earl Sweatshirt is pleasant

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19-08-2016, 10:49 AM
TREE has a new album

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Lot of good stuff coming out ATM

19-08-2016, 11:17 AM
Who does 21 Savage remind me of? That kind of rapping where it's barely even bothered enough to be rapping. Beats are grimey on this.

I need to listen to YG's album again and give Schoolboy Q a shot also.

The answer to that first question must surely be Keef.

Still not listened to YG, Schoolboy Q, DJ Khaled, Kodak Black... Slipping, hard.

19-08-2016, 11:29 AM
Also, why oh why haven't I listened to the new Guwop yet?!

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This beat is so hard, and Gucci's spitting. Still weird to hear him saying stuff like 'For all you junkies that's addicted please don't be offended / I'm a recovering drug addict and that's not my intention', with the same swagger as when he was all about getting high and selling to fiends, and the same goofy ad-libs.

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Wow Gucci sounds so fighting fit. Bursting with energy. Faculties freed from under an avalanche of drugs. And it's fuck drake to the death always but decent hook.

Please god stop me liveblogging this whole album.

Gucci being so witty on this 'I only feature Kanye cos we both some fuckin' narcissists', 'There's an elephant in the room and guess who the elephant is (IT'S GUCCI!)' etc.

22-08-2016, 03:51 PM

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26-08-2016, 03:14 PM
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De La Soul have a new album out

04-09-2016, 03:49 PM
A couple of tracks on Jeremy are breathtaking. It's nice to see (Pitchfork review) that he's being taken seriously, it seems to have given hiphop writers something to purple prose about. I wish people would talk about the fusion of production and depth of complexity in the sonics though, I don't think people are paying enough attention to the producers, what they're doing in a lot of fields is fucking mindblowing at the moment.

Music writers, what do you listen to the music you review on? Do you think you should talk about that in your reviews?

10-09-2016, 01:33 PM
Does anyone want to listen to a Ras Kass album in 2016? I don't even know if I do tbh but I am so here it is:

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Re: Sloane's music writers comment, I think this is true and it's cos it's easier to write about words than music.

EDIT: It's so hard for me to listen to this boom-bap stuff nowadays without judgement. I've flip reversed from my 2001 stance where I hated everything NOT boom bap.

Damn, Ras Kass's voice is fucked. He's got that Canibus Cartman voice now :(

Imagine (my) excitement at a RZA and Ras Kass song back in 1998 :'(

11-09-2016, 07:34 AM
i was a *massive* ras kass fan when he made his first and second albums. soul on ice i think is prob still really good, tho im too scared to hear it again to make sure.

i heard a bit of that recent album he did with jack splash - who i absolutely hate and dont understand why anyone has ever paid to record - and was surprised that he was actually still pretty good.

but hes one of those rappers who i think is now for people who still listen to rap just for great lines, and dont really care about beats, songs, hooks, or anything else. which is a way of listening to rap i stopped using about 15 years ago.

i wish kendrick lamar would have less of a web presence after that recent video of him rapping along with lil wayne songs. its cool hes a fan, and doesnt want wayne to retire, but erm, im prob gonna sound snobby but id like kendrick to not do stuff just like every rapper (though if he didnt, i know he wouldnt still be a part of it like he is...). though maybe its good that ppl see hes not mr perfect.

12-09-2016, 09:20 AM
I played Soul on Ice endlessly as a young thug. I even liked the production, which was seen by many as what let it down. The beats were portentous, which fit Ras Kass like a wig fits a high court judge. I also liked 'Nature of the Threat', though it shat on my entire race for nine minutes straight.

Is rap no country for old men? There's something depressing about middle-aged rappers. Not least that, due to a diet of Henny, weed and hamburgers, a lot of them have aged horribly. Then again, isn't there something depressing about middle-aged men generally? (No offence, y'all.) Perhaps that's why I don't like listening to middle-aged rappers - I'm listening to rap to ESCAPE middle-age and mediocrity, just as I used to listen to it to escape suburban drudgery and the desert wastes of my sex life.

12-09-2016, 10:03 AM
if i want to hear rap for middle age, i just listen to more instrumentals, which is what i already do.

these days i mostly listen to rap thats larger than life (rick ross - that track with skrillex). or stuff thats angry for when im boxing (eg gunplay, though grime meets this need better). or just stuff with incredible beats (eg rae sremmerd). or someone who just has a great voice/flow (roc marci).

i dont need kendrick types in my life to educate me on anything like im still aged 16. i think 75%-85% of lyrics in rap are absolutely meaningless. its music at the end of the day. if its sounds good, its fine.

i agree with this quote from oddisee -
“Writing and producing is what made me understand the value of songs, more than just beats and rhymes. There will be no videos of me going record digging and then finding a sample and making a beat in five minutes. I don’t like to do freestyle videos. I’m very anti those things. That allows us to not see this as an art form, but as a display, a spectacle. And there’s a level of bravado and showmanship that’s in the DNA of hip-hop and I’ll never reject that. But I tend to save that for the live performance where I think its best served.”

12-09-2016, 12:34 PM
I mean, the perspective that always paints the actual rapping as a non-musical element (because it isn't "Musical" in the traditional sense often) always annoys me. Not to say pyramids is guilty of it particularly, I find there's a weird tension to treat rapping by itself as a 'literary element' or in the Oddisee perspective 'showtime' rather than a compatible musical element. Like you wouldn't say this about drums just because drums are non-melodic or whatever.

12-09-2016, 01:51 PM
no, hes saying that its about songwriting first and foremost for him, not just beats and rhymes. or rather, not moving from the subject matter of a song to those kinds of filler shifts you get in a lot of rap lyrics (eg the first two verses of i luv u vs the last verse). ie not beats and rhymes as separate entities. not sure how you jumped from that to the perspective that doesnt see rapping as being musical (or did you just create that to have something to argue about?). should say though that i think oddissee is a 'progressive' but the majority of rap is about disconnected writing (and i cant be positive that oddisee sticks to his method 100% either)

i do think rapping is musical, as a rhythmic element.

but for the most part, i dont care about the lyrics anymore. most raps are just chatting shit. entertaining for sure, some memorable lines (though this is often more musical, than textual), but when im listening to earl for instance, its more his facility with words that i like, how the words just slide against each other, and his tone, his voice, than anything hes really saying.

saying that, i was struck recently by how good the imagery on the takeover was, but again, its prob more just to do with the ice cold heartlessness, and that tone of disbelief and dismissiveness (as if hes saying 'how could you even think that you were better than me?') that jayz used to do so well.

16-09-2016, 09:38 PM
Max B could be free in two years. Dame Grease has two years to cook up half a classic. :)

19-09-2016, 04:41 PM

danny brown, kendrick ab soul, earl.

beat is pretty immense but its not as monumental as i was expecting. kendrick sounds a bit too controlled/ pleased with himself these days.

20-09-2016, 01:28 PM
Was depressed to hear how easily Danny got housed by all the TDE guys on this song. Earl, ha ha, no.

20-09-2016, 01:50 PM
I've heard, and reviewed, the new Danny Brown album. I didn't hate it, but he does THAT VOICE throughout the whole thing.

20-09-2016, 02:22 PM
earl sounds groggy.

the best DB thing ive heard is actually not even on his own album. its that song he did on rusties second album. best beat hes ever had too IMO.

20-09-2016, 03:02 PM
My computer has decided to stop letting me listen to audio so I can't check that Rustie track but afairemember it was one of his screechy ones?

So long as there's some range to his rapping (as on XXX) I'm interested. The squawking turns me off.








The beat for 'Really Doe' is so tough, love it.

21-09-2016, 08:30 AM
I've heard, and reviewed, the new Danny Brown album. I didn't hate it, but he does THAT VOICE throughout the whole thing.

man thats disappointing some of my favourite songs on XXX and even a couple songs on Old were when he turned that voice off

21-09-2016, 08:39 AM
Mine too. I feel like THAT VOICE is effective in small doses, sometimes. I mean, he uses THAT VOICE on two of the songs from Atrocity Exhibition that have been released, and I like them both.



21-09-2016, 09:40 AM
for me it works better on "When it Rain" because it sounds like some old nasty ghettotech beat

(how come there ain't no ghettotech on here? what's up Dissensus?)

23-09-2016, 10:48 AM
A couple of new albums on Spotify


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The people's choice (though not mine) off Sremmlife2 has got a video too:


Rae Sremmurd - Black Beatles (feat. Gucci Mane)

23-09-2016, 10:50 AM


23-09-2016, 11:24 AM


To make this relevant, let me observe that when you've listened to about twenty 2016 rap hits in a row it's a blessed relief to hear a good old fashioned breakbeat.

27-09-2016, 06:23 PM
T.I. has released an E.P. (on Tidal) called 'Us or Else', which is all about Black Lives Matter/police brutality:


27-09-2016, 06:34 PM

2 Chainz feat. Drake - Big Amount (2016)

This has been out for ages but it came up on my shuffle the other day and I was reminded of how much I rate it. One for the sino-grime fans?

29-09-2016, 09:51 AM
I enjoyed atrocity exhibition. Often when macro-genres die they have one last hoorah in which they absorb tons of alien influences; jazz fusion/ poorly titled spiritual jazz, post-punk, post-rock, things like ISB and John Martyn with folk. I suspect Azealia Banks and Danny Brown are part of this final, fertile period of hip hop.

29-09-2016, 10:03 AM
Not sure about that, although I was trying to work in a 'post-rap' angle to my review which I didn't have room for (perhaps blessedly). Danny Brown and Azaelia Banks are pretty niche, hipster offshoots of rap music. I think the more fertile (and certainly more popular) area of rap in 2016 is represented by yer Rae Sremmurds, Young Thugs, et al. And I guess they're connected to what Danny Brown is doing insofar as it's less about lyrical experimentation as vocal experimentation. A lot of rappers dressing in a rock starrish way, too: leather jackets, skinny jeans, cross dressing etc. On the one hand you could argue this is a decadent stage for hip-hop, it declining inexorably as a medium for social messages, more intertwined with corporate interests and materialism than ever before, but in terms of the medium itself in some respects it's more inventive than it was in the 90s. I'm sure Crowley will have a more interesting and better informed take on this than me.

29-09-2016, 10:19 AM
I enjoyed atrocity exhibition. Often when macro-genres die they have one last hoorah in which they absorb tons of alien influences; jazz fusion/ poorly titled spiritual jazz, post-punk, post-rock, things like ISB and John Martyn with folk. I suspect Azealia Banks and Danny Brown are part of this final, fertile period of hip hop.

I guess it's not the eclecticism per se but rather the fact that it almost entirely removes the the aesthetic cruxes of the macro-genre; On the Corner doesn't swing, The Pop Group doesn't rock, nor do many of the tracks on MBV's Loveless. In fact the macro-genre may only be discernible by lineage; if Dark Magus wasn't by miles davis would anyone call it jazz?, likewise with John Martyn and One World. Tracks like Danny Brown's Downward Spiral or Azealia Bank's Idle Delilah are similarly devoid of Hip Hop's fundamental aesthetic purposes.

29-09-2016, 10:22 AM
You may well be right Corpse. I don't know much about rap really. It's just a hunch.

29-09-2016, 10:10 PM
I want to be so clear and say that when I hate this album, I wish this man took a cinder block to the stomach for producing such a godawful piece of shit record.

29-09-2016, 10:18 PM
I want to be so clear and say that when I hate this album, I wish this man took a cinder block to the stomach for producing such a godawful piece of shit record.


04-10-2016, 08:42 AM
I love you for that review Crowley. Mine seems absolutely toothless by comparison, but here it is: http://crackmagazine.net/article/music/danny-brown-atrocity-exhibition/

On the plus side, I think mine might be one of the only negative reviews around.

In other news: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-37545412

Chinese Americans are petitioning President Obama to take action against a hip hop track which they say incites criminals to target their homes.

The controversy over the song "Meet The Flockers" by the rapper YG has even reached China and has inspired rhyming responses from Chinese rappers.

Was YG paying tribute to Ice Cube by attacking Asian-Americans?

05-10-2016, 08:08 AM
DJ Mustard - Cold Summer album now on Spotify. Not listened yet but surely a bit of a late release, unless Mustard is making some sort of statement re: climate change?

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Dave East Kairi Chanel mixtape

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05-10-2016, 09:48 AM
its not like black korea, which cube can still fuck off for
he says "Find a Chinese neighborhood, cause they don't believe in bank accounts"
its YG giving robbery tips
not that i think this is any better but its not a race-motivated song like black korea

the sampling on the DB album, ghostface did it already on bulletproof wallets
DB has never matched up to the image a lot of people want him to be, but every era needs its own 'crazy black guy!' artist and celebrate him for being so crazy, even when hes maybe not THAT crazy. as its on warp, id have preferred DB produced by hud mo and rustie to paul white again. 6/10. attack is the best thing DB has ever done, and probably will do.

going to sound around 50, but the new kool keith album is better.

05-10-2016, 10:16 AM

Yo Gotti feat Timbaland - Smile (2016)

05-10-2016, 01:33 PM
vietnamese dance routine to redress ethnic slur

05-10-2016, 02:43 PM

the sampling on the DB album, ghostface did it already on bulletproof wallets

What does this refer to?

05-10-2016, 04:14 PM

What does this refer to?

the sampling style
unadorned loops
loops that often dont sound like loops and are allowed to stretch out (though this is a madlib type thing too)
or maybe its a proggy dj shadow thing as well

05-10-2016, 07:41 PM
Its shit is what it is, who cares, all he wants to do is do the same screaming "MY DICK LONGER THAN A FIRE HOSE/I'M SNORTIN KET OFF THESE WHITE HOES" bars for 17 songs who fucking cares how the beats sound, if he wanted to do good he could've assembled this album for a rapper who gave a fuck still.

06-10-2016, 06:39 AM
lol, your rage

06-10-2016, 08:15 AM
Its shit is what it is, who cares, all he wants to do is do the same screaming "MY DICK LONGER THAN A FIRE HOSE/I'M SNORTIN KET OFF THESE WHITE HOES" .

Is this a real line, or is this the best parodic quotation on here since Luka's GOT mocking 'he was loath to leave the burrow between her legs'.

07-10-2016, 08:50 PM
I'm not going to lie to you, I made it up? But it could very well be lyrics I've heard and forgotten.

08-10-2016, 02:44 PM

2 Chainz feat. Drake - Big Amount (2016)

Loath so say it but Drake kills this too. As much as he can be said to kill it, given the ghostwriter accusations.

10-10-2016, 08:51 AM
ive never seen DB as someone with much to say TBH - when hes rapping in earnest mode, hes somewhat dull and indistinct, just another uniform underground guy. when hes in his shrieking mode, hes much more fun (and this is the mode i prefer him in), and all the iggy/eminem/d12/detroit links start to make a bit more sense, but hes still more or less vacuous. hes a good performer, but there's not much underneath the act. the new album (having heard it a bit better now) seems like an attempt to sound a bit deeper, but im not sure he really achieves it. i like paul white but im not 100% sure hes the right producer for DB. theres something a bit lumbering, or proggy about it. also i cant make out what is being said on 75% of this. he might really be rhyming about his fire hose and white hoes for all i know.

10-10-2016, 09:13 AM
I disagree with your assessment of him (though of course I can't disagree with you finding him dull; dull is what I find him when he's doing nothing else but screeching, btw). By the general standards of 'depth' as found in rap music he's done 'deep' songs throughout his career. It's not super intellectual stuff, but that isn't really the point of rap music (to the extent there is one) IMO, it's folk music, it's talking about real life. Danny Brown evokes/d real life, in the poor districts of Detroit, with details I simply don't find to be prevalent in 'uniform generic' underground rap:


'Sitting on porches of abandoned houses
Or sitting in the field on bed bug ridden couches
It's like they all forgot man nobody care about us
That why we all ways end up in prison instead of college
Living in the system working kitchen for chump change
Lost in the streets niggas playing that gun game
Where nobody wins just a bunch of mommas losing
Dead body in the field, nobody heard the shooting
We living in the streets where the options is limited
Cause its burnt building instead of jobs and businesses'

LIE4 (taking on the voice of the typical flexing/stunting rapper and satirising it)

'I'ma blow it all now, mothafuck a later
'bout to cop me a mink; diamond encrusted gators
Car with a TV in it, maid and a butler too
So what nigga this shit rented, right now it's gon' have to do
And I'm gonna take it all with me when I'm gone bitch it's gone too
Who cares when the kids get grown, better figure out what they gone do
Cause right now nigga I got it, nigga what about you?
Broke-ass niggas worth nothing, I can buy y'all in twos
Cause a long time ago nigga, nigga was just like you
Cause we ain’t about the past, it’s about right now my dude
Cause normally I be broke but right now I got cash
Nah, nigga I'm lying, you know that I be fronting'

DRINKS ON ME (from 'The Hybrid')

Say my auntie sort of like an alcoholic
Been drinking since the teens, shitting blood in the toilet
Started real young, nigga pushed the bottle on her
Drunk, fully clothed in tubs, I cut showers on her
But I still love her and I live life for her
She ask me for a dollar, I'm gon' give it to her
Stay drinking on the brew, keep a can in her hand
Tied grocery bag full of keystone cans
Alcoholism has poisoned our city
Liquor store on every corner ain't like that in other cities
So you have a drink, take a hit and pass that
Give a buck to a wino help him buy crack
Dwell on the past, looking towards tomorrow
Wish I could lend my pain, let you borrow my sorrow
Live where lil' niggas wanna be Chris Partlow
Say fuck the lotto, buck's on a bottle, drinks on me

TORTURE (from 'Old')

I feel like a prisoner of war
Reacting sporadically to what the mind absorb
Probably need a shrink, can't get a wink
So I smoke a lot of kush and pop a Xanax to sleep
Close my eyes, look up, fiend said 1 for 8
Can tell that I scared him by the look on my face
Reached in my pocket served him nervous as a surgeon
Can't believe where I'm at, 'posed be writing verses
Heard a knock at the door, 'nother fiend wanted fo'
Gave him what he came for, told him go to the sto'
Let me get a box a box of Swishers, Faygo Cola
Gave his ass another stone now guess what it's over
He ain't come back, before I could look back
I heard the wood on the door crack, and they yelling "Police!"
With this work up in my jeans, man this a bad dream, and it's torture

I wrote more extensively about this in this blog post http://dirtnap2.tumblr.com/post/16015333887/danny-brown-lincoln-continental-2011-this-was

10-10-2016, 09:45 AM
not sure any of that marks him out as a particularly unique writer in the scheme of things, but i concede that its not just 'I don't gotta do shit tell your bitch suck my dick/I don't gotta say shit, tell your bitch suck my dick' (this is an actual lyric this time) type lines. im not saying hes mediocre, just that i dont really 'feel' it. its not that he doesnt write about 'substance', hes good at it, its more that he, as a voice, as a rapper, is less interesting than when hes putting on That Voice. those lines you quote, i could go to common for something like that. its his affected voice (for all the problems that can come with it) that makes him interesting. otherwise, hes just another good underground rapper.

10-10-2016, 09:30 PM
I'm surprised to see that lyrics are so important to you guys; it might explain why my rap picks aren't well received here (or I just have terrible taste).




10-10-2016, 10:56 PM
Love Waka, love Future, quite like Migos although I tire of their flow quickly. I'm not all about lyrics per se, but when a rapper is a good lyricist it disappoints me for them to sacrifice that aspect of their talent, especially if it's to screeching like an alley cat.

Also, even the rappers you've cited have interesting lyrics which add dimensionality to the music. Nothing wrong with listening purely for style, but I think you're missing out if you're ignoring lyrics completely. The lyrics don't even have to be deep or substantive. They can just be inventive, on a technical level, in terms of imagery, etc.