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luka
06-04-2016, 09:00 PM
What is Fun? Is Fun always somehow illicit or at the very least naughty or irresponsible?

luka
06-04-2016, 09:01 PM
I ask because my drinking has been getting me into trouble a lot recently. Is Fun necessary? Can you live a happy and fufillied life without it?

luka
06-04-2016, 09:02 PM
Are we ever really having fun or is it a lie we tell ourselves in the aftermath? Maybe it would have been better to have a meaningful conversation?

Woebot
06-04-2016, 10:22 PM
how important is fun? i put more in store with satisfaction than fun. i'm not talking pipe and slippers - more like the pleasure of a well-constructed thing.

luka
06-04-2016, 10:29 PM
I think that kind of enjoyment is vital and irreplaceable but I'm wondering if fun is a pressure valve in a way that kind of enjoyment isn't and can't be.

CrowleyHead
07-04-2016, 12:49 AM
See I always regard enjoyment as something disparate from fun. You can enjoy partaking in food, but its not necessarily 'fun'. Fun is the reward from the activity's performance. So you can have fun dancing at a concert but you only enjoy the music.

They can both come from doing the 'wrong thing'. So you enjoy getting drunk from the effect, but the act of getting drunk and its ritual might be fun. Depending on the circumstances.

Woebot
07-04-2016, 08:25 AM
I think that kind of enjoyment is vital and irreplaceable but I'm wondering if fun is a pressure valve in a way that kind of enjoyment isn't and can't be.

certainly i make do with less and less fun ;) it can't be a good thing.

perhaps dangerous sports is your answer :D

Jim Daze
07-04-2016, 09:37 AM
Can a meaningful conversation be fun, is meditation fun ? maybe it is , is being an alcoholic fun , what the fuck is fun. btw best thread ever.

luka
07-04-2016, 10:01 AM
meditation and meaningful conversation can never be fun. Enriching but never fun. I suppose I'm trying to root out whether or not fun depends on risk and transgression. And if it does, whether it is worth the risk. Every time i emerge unscathed from a big night I think I've cracked it then by next week I'm asleep in a pool of blood in a doorway somewhere or whatever.
One thing my cousin said to me that's always stuck is you have to know when the party's over. I think that's probably the crux of it. Easier said than done of course.

Jim Daze
07-04-2016, 11:27 AM
Taking the piss out of people is fun

Jim Daze
07-04-2016, 11:29 AM
Erotic asphyxiation or breath control play is ......... fun?

it is dangerous and transgressive

Jim Daze
07-04-2016, 11:30 AM
Over eating is fun

Jim Daze
07-04-2016, 11:32 AM
does laughing while doing the activity denote fun? or can fun be serious as in seriously good fun, the more dangerous the more fun?

Jim Daze
07-04-2016, 11:33 AM
i.e we had fun that time we drank whisky in my flat and you drew a cock on my meditation diary lol

Jim Daze
07-04-2016, 11:39 AM
The less fun I have the happier I am.

"the rush is said to be no less powerful than cocaine, and highly addictive"

luka
07-04-2016, 11:48 AM
i.e we had fun that time we drank whisky in my flat and you drew a cock on my meditation diary lol

i actually felt guilty about and also your little brother set me up. I wanted to do a drawing and thats the paper he gave me then he gloated about it after i drew the cock. it was fun though.

Jim Daze
07-04-2016, 11:51 AM
hahaha lets do it again

luka
07-04-2016, 11:52 AM
then he passed out on your kitchen floor and i walked home. its about a 7 mile walk. it was during that masssive storm where loads of people died. that wasnt fun it was perverse.

luka
07-04-2016, 11:53 AM
we definitely need to do it again as soon as possible.

luka
07-04-2016, 11:55 AM
The less fun I have the happier I am.

"the rush is said to be no less powerful than cocaine, and highly addictive"

Erotic asphyxiation or breath control play is the intentional restriction of oxygen to the brain for the purposes of sexual arousal. This sexual practice is variously called asphyxiophilia, autoerotic asphyxia, hypoxyphilia. The term autoerotic asphyxiation is used when the act is done by a person to themselves. Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.[1]

luka
07-04-2016, 11:56 AM
Taking the piss out of people is fun

yeah that's some of the best fun.

luka
07-04-2016, 11:58 AM
so maybe its not possible to have adult fun. maybe fun is predicated on a naughty schoolboy mindsett

woops
07-04-2016, 01:54 PM
[from my book of aphorisms to be published in 1647 under a nom de plume]

It doesn't matter what the activity, meditation, drinking, etc. What matters is that you're not worrying about anything.

One of my dad's hobbies is doing maths, so instead of kicking a ball around he'd be working out nth-order trinomials, or whatever. So that is his idea of fun.

I remember watchng Haneke films with my mate, which I considered some of the most brutal, horrible shit I'd ever seen. I told him that nothing is good in this film. He said well look, that lock (on a door that had just closed in the film) is good. So maybe he was closer to Woebot's way of thinking than me.

baboon2004
07-04-2016, 01:57 PM
Fun is easier if there's something in your head or your life (or both) you want to escape. it becomes more difficult to have fun when you're generally content in life.

satisfaction is all well and good, but i think maybe i prefer(red?) fun

Mr. Tea
07-04-2016, 04:11 PM
TO CRUSH YOUR ENEMIES, SEE THEM DRIVEN BEFORE YOU AND TO HEAR THE LAMENTATION OF THE WOMEN

luka
07-04-2016, 04:26 PM
I'm going to go out drinking now. We've reached our comedy answer quota now. Meaningful and considered engagement only now ta.

Jim Daze
07-04-2016, 04:38 PM
Have fun ;)

rubberdingyrapids
07-04-2016, 04:42 PM
getting drunk and forgetting your worries is the easiest route to fun.
its the responsibility/reality (whether mental or material)-forgetting tool that allows for whatever follows. maybe fun is just being able to act against your self (and the external factors that prevent you from being able to summon that self without drink).

there are obviously other ways to have fun though. without drinking. but i think most of those things (whether playing a game or maybe just watching comedies or whatever) are also to do with helping you to forget yourself. to bypass cognition maybe?
(though i think you can have fun playing a competitive game, though maybe thats more about 'satisfaction' than actual fun, unless youre just 'playing' and not competing, in which case its a laugh, and therefore fun)

luka
07-04-2016, 04:49 PM
Competition is never fun. I don't like losing but I also hate winning.

Mr. Tea
07-04-2016, 05:00 PM
Have fun

I've found this to be an obnoxiously overused phrase. People say it when you're going to the corner shop for milk, or to the toilet.

luka
07-04-2016, 05:34 PM
You do realise it was tongue in cheek though tea? (please say yes)

Mr. Tea
07-04-2016, 05:37 PM
Yes, obviously. I'm not actually a robot with Asperger's, after all. But it is nonetheless one of those phrases that's been rendered meaningless through overuse, like "to be fair".

luka
07-04-2016, 05:41 PM
Just checking. There's a lot of things we say that are just conversational ballast. A lot of the time we're talking to people who we don't like or barely know.

luka
07-04-2016, 05:42 PM
Words we're barely aware of speaking
See you mate
Yeah see you mate
See you mate
Yeah see you mate

Woebot
07-04-2016, 09:08 PM
computer games are fun

Mr. Tea
07-04-2016, 09:28 PM
Just checking. There's a lot of things we say that are just conversational ballast. A lot of the time we're talking to people who we don't like or barely know.

Yeah, but not here, eh old chums?!

Mr. Tea
07-04-2016, 09:33 PM
computer games are fun

In general I'd agree, but there are moments in some of the Valve games and maybe a few others (I'm not really a huge gamer myself) that transcend 'fun', as such. I have no problem with people calling games an art form, in principle.

Woebot
08-04-2016, 07:56 PM
not that i'd endorse it - being a living saint - but i imagine crime is a lot of fun too.

until you get caught.

it must beat waking up with your face in pieces though davis.

luka
08-04-2016, 08:03 PM
Worse things have happened to me.

Mr. Tea
08-04-2016, 08:15 PM
not that i'd endorse it - being a living saint - but i imagine crime is a lot of fun too.



http://youtu.be/L397TWLwrUU

http://girlsjustwannahaveguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/breaking-the-law.jpg

luka
08-04-2016, 08:17 PM
Two scratches by the eye. Still beautiful.

Mr. Tea
09-04-2016, 09:38 PM
I sometimes feel almost a tinge of regret over the fact that I've never been arrested - I mean, it'd make for a story to tell the kids, should I ever have any - but then I consider that this is an extremely white thing to think, if you get me.

Luke, you're an outrageous reprobate, you must have been nicked at least once, right?

luka
09-04-2016, 09:41 PM
yes i have

luka
09-04-2016, 09:56 PM
i was 11 or 12 years old so it was a long time ago. there was a police chase too. it was good fun. i was a child graffiti artist.

HMGovt
10-04-2016, 11:16 AM
http://www.partypacks.co.uk/images/products/fun-snap-bangers-pack-of-50-100024-1.jpg

Mr. Tea
10-04-2016, 01:31 PM
i was 11 or 12 years old so it was a long time ago. there was a police chase too. it was good fun. i was a child graffiti artist.

Great story, top marks.

I sometimes regret having been so well-behaved as a wee lad.