PDA

View Full Version : Wierdo Music



sadmanbarty
10-05-2016, 03:26 PM
It’s a term Luka’s used to describe a lot of the stuff I post, so maybe he would be so kind as to give us a proper definition.

In the meantime I’d say it’s any Dance or “Urban” music you’d like to post that’s a little avante-guard or left-field and doesn’t quite fit into other threads.

[edit. Luka's defined it as "internet music". I would like to keep things quite open by using my definition above, which includes a lot of internet music, but is not limited to it. Posters don't need to fret too much as to whether something is or isn't internet music; all sorts of music is welcome.]

sadmanbarty
10-05-2016, 03:34 PM
I don’t really know anything about this scene. It seems to be what they play at some LGBT parties in the States. I don’t know if it’s a localized scene or if it’s across the country (or international for that matter). I could imagine the nights themselves being loads of fun, which is something you don’t get much in London these days.

In the past I’ve decried eclecticism in dance mixes, but this stuff does it right.


https://soundcloud.com/newworlddysorder/experimental-mix

https://soundcloud.com/newworlddysorder/4play

https://soundcloud.com/newworlddysorder/fcked-mix

https://soundcloud.com/jasmineinfiniti/yas

droid
10-05-2016, 03:38 PM
'Weirdo' music is already a thing though isnt it? Wire-esque avant multi genre spanning stuff.

luka
10-05-2016, 07:26 PM
A lot of what you post I would characterise as Internet music. It's not so much that the music itself is weird, more that only weirdos listen to it. Rap music Westwood would never endorse etc

luka
10-05-2016, 07:29 PM
I've had a few gos at pinning down the characteristics of Internet music here. Can't remember what threads. It's something I like speculating about, diffuse, airy speculation

Mr. Tea
10-05-2016, 07:50 PM
I've had a few gos at pinning down the characteristics of Internet music here. Can't remember what threads.

I have a strong suspicion that Sid Viscous qualifies as 'internet music'...

luka
10-05-2016, 08:05 PM
No actually. It's something different. Internet music is acutely attuned to trends and you are completely blind to fashion

luka
10-05-2016, 08:09 PM
What I think is unique about your music and what fascinates me about it is that it is comprised of the most irredeemably unfashionable genres of the last 20 years. It's nu metal, block rocking beats, shouty Keith prodigy, fatboy slim etc. If it was self aware that would be horrifying but Because it's earnest it's very interesting

luka
10-05-2016, 08:10 PM
The most unfashionable era to draw from and the most unfashionable elements of that era.

CrowleyHead
10-05-2016, 08:13 PM
<iframe src="https://player.vimeo.com/video/69392143" width="640" height="360" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe>
<p><a href="https://vimeo.com/69392143">Sydney In Theory - The Wild | Nogly2</a> from <a href="https://vimeo.com/unkleluc">UnkleLuc</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

Like this then or am I off?

sadmanbarty
10-05-2016, 08:13 PM
I think vaporwave, cloud rap and Witch House are three examples of internet genres (though post- Live Love Asap mainstream rap has embraced Cloud Rap). Sonically they are all lo fi and draw from chopped and screwed.

In terms of attracting weirdoes trap goth (a sub-genre of cloud rap) and witch house appeal to adolescent fixations with depression, suicide and Satanist iconography (pentagrams etc.).

I tend to enjoy music purely sonically, regardless of the lyrics, imagery or attitudes associated with it. If those other elements effected my listening experience, I’m sure I wouldn’t enjoy things like 90’s bambino. You never know, I might even dismiss it as weirdo music.

sadmanbarty
10-05-2016, 08:19 PM
What I think is unique about your music and what fascinates me about it is that it is comprised of the most irredeemably unfashionable genres of the last 20 years. It's nu metal, block rocking beats, shouty Keith prodigy, fatboy slim etc. If it was self aware that would be horrifying but Because it's earnest it's very interesting

Wow, I can't quite think of anything I've posted that I'd associate with big beat. I'll have a sift through some of my posts and see if I can find anything that fits.

The nu-metal thing is accurate. The GothMoney records artists do promotional material wearing Korn t shirts and stuff like that.

luka
10-05-2016, 08:33 PM
I was talking to mr tea!

luka
10-05-2016, 08:36 PM
What I think is unique about your music and what fascinates me about it is that it is comprised of the most irredeemably unfashionable genres of the last 20 years. It's nu metal, block rocking beats, shouty Keith prodigy, fatboy slim etc. If it was self aware that would be horrifying but Because it's earnest it's very interesting

this is mr teas music
https://soundcloud.com/sid-viscous/city-of-the-red-night-theme-is-it-a-bit-1996-in-here-or-is-it-just-me-mix

CrowleyHead
10-05-2016, 09:43 PM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/DAn2aHdobMo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Actually I'm realizing this is the closest I get to the kind of stuff I imagine Barty checks for.

Mr. Tea
10-05-2016, 10:06 PM
No actually. It's something different. Internet music is acutely attuned to trends and you are completely blind to fashion

Oh I thought you just meant music primarily listened to on the internet. I see the distinction now.


What I think is unique about your music and what fascinates me about it is that it is comprised of the most irredeemably unfashionable genres of the last 20 years. It's nu metal, block rocking beats, shouty Keith prodigy, fatboy slim etc. If it was self aware that would be horrifying but Because it's earnest it's very interesting

Haha, I take issue with the nu-metal bit but I'm aware some of it has a very big-beat kind of sound to it. I'm aware too of the cheese factor but I haven't gone out of my way to make it cheesy, if that redeems it at all.

I appreciate too that you've posted the most egregiously mid-90s student-dance-sounding tune that I've made. This sounds more like some kind of post-punk coldwave thing, I think. https://soundcloud.com/sid-viscous/sid-viscous-gom-jabbar-v2-1?in=sid-viscous/sets/sid-viscous-new-versions-feb-2015 (Sorry, I'll stop posting about my own music now. As you were.)

luka
10-05-2016, 10:22 PM
but those are the things i like about it

sadmanbarty
10-05-2016, 10:33 PM
I was talking to mr tea!

Woops. My narcissism never ceases to embarrass me.

sadmanbarty
10-05-2016, 10:38 PM
Crowley, both your posts fit into this thread (which is intended to be pretty diverse). You're right, the first one I didn't like, the second one I enjoyed.

Mr. Tea
10-05-2016, 10:43 PM
Woops. My narcissism never ceases to embarrass me.

Then there is hope yet - true narcissists are immune to embarrassment.

sadmanbarty
10-05-2016, 10:47 PM
Then there is hope yet - true narcissists are immune to embarrassment.

But we're good at feigning it.

Well if I'm not a narcissist, I guess I'm just plain old stoopid.

By the way, enjoyed your music.

Leo
10-05-2016, 10:52 PM
nu-metal? try old metal: https://soundcloud.com/sid-viscous/when-the-woofer-breaks ;)

luka
10-05-2016, 11:00 PM
lool, ive listened to them all, i like them, im not being mean. im explaining why they interest me. its like hes rooting round historys dustbin. but lets not let tea trick us into discussing his music in bartys wierdo music thread

sadmanbarty
10-05-2016, 11:37 PM
New Gaika album

https://soundcloud.com/gaikasays/sets/security-1

Corpsey
11-05-2016, 09:48 AM
Speaking of narcissism, here's a quote from a Spaceghostpurrrp review (http://www.factmag.com/2012/02/24/spaceghostpurrp-god-of-black/) I did for FACT in 2012 which I suppose might be relevant to this thread:


The internet, of course, has blurred the line between public and private identities in general, and this effect has certainly been felt in hip-hop, which in the past few years has seen the cult ascendancy of “bedroom” producers and rappers like Lil B, Main Attrakionz and Clams Casino, who have seen their homespun, personal and eccentric styles reach a wider audience, particularly in the hip, indie-friendly online press, which naturally prizes their off-kilter, experimental, sometimes contrary takes on “straighter” mainstream rap. This “bedroom” rap music isn’t outgoing, intended for parties and clubs; if anything its ”ingoing” – expressive of an isolated inwardness that has led its makers along wayward lines, far from the free-ways rappers like Ross drive their musical Maybachs down.

I guess in recent years I've really become a 'poptimist' of sorts, insofar as I tend to favour stuff that is popular, direct, danceable, sensual, etc. over awkward, intellectual, avant-garde stuff which I once assumed was superior. But, as others have pointed out on here, to favour one thing zealously over the other is also rather small minded.

For the purposes of reviewing I've been listening to an Aesop Rock album for the first time ever over the last few days, and I have to keep consciously suppressing my now instinctively peeved reaction to his verbose, contrarian take on rap music, to acknowledge that he's a sort of autistic/artistic genius.

To play devil's advocate, though, these biases are perhaps not only unavoidable but actually ESSENTIAL to the business of musical appreciation and creation. Hating things, being prejudiced against things, refines and sharpens taste.

Gone off topic here. I was going to say that I really enjoyed Synth Britannia because it was about these weirdos making deliberately weird music for the sake of their own indulgences, rather than trying to figure out how to make a crowd go crazy. My preference is increasingly for music that DOES do the latter, but I like the fact that music can be different things to different people.

EDIT: However, music which is allowed to be self-indulgent can become simply... well, self indulgent!

woops
11-05-2016, 10:33 AM
Woops. My narcissism never ceases to embarrass me.

Don't drag me into this

sadmanbarty
11-05-2016, 11:53 AM
A couple of thoughts on Corpsey’s post.

I would say that I share your “poptimist” tendencies. The fact that I feel the avante-garde is currently producing more interesting music than “normal music” (to borrow Luka’s phrase) is more a reflection on the current dire state of pop/functional music then it is on the merits of the avante-garde.

I would say though, that the weirdo music I enjoy (and post) is for the most part functional first; the idiosyncrasies do not come at the expense of the music’s purpose.

For example the Non Africa and the Intruder Alert stuff would be great to dance all night to in a sweaty club, but they also happens to be industrial, aggressive, they lack warmth, etc. which gives them a bit more of an avante-garde flavor.

A lot of the bedroom rap I post is explicitly functional; inducing/heightening the effects of codeine.

rubberdingyrapids
11-05-2016, 12:49 PM
this is totally internet music -
https://soundcloud.com/comptonwhite
a guy from feltham, calling himself compton white, dressed like the karate kid.
but i really like it.

sadmanbarty
11-05-2016, 12:50 PM
I don’t really know anything about this scene. It seems to be what they play at some LGBT parties in the States. I don’t know if it’s a localized scene or if it’s across the country (or international for that matter).

After a bit more soundclouding, I'm getting the impression that this stuff is localised; hailing from the trans clubbing scene in Oakland.

https://soundcloud.com/jasmineinfiniti/ugly-mixxx

https://soundcloud.com/cali420princess/cali420-princess-mixxx

https://soundcloud.com/ambreezyba/roll-call-mixxx

Corpsey
11-05-2016, 12:51 PM
Luka actually made some weirdo music himself recently, that song about Greenwich.

It was great, though. I'm inspired to try and make my own weirdo music.

Is Lil B weirdo music? Riff Raff?

EDIT: LOL @ dissensus birthing a new genre

mistersloane
12-05-2016, 04:25 AM
After a bit more soundclouding, I'm getting the impression that this stuff is localised; hailing from the trans clubbing scene in Oakland.

https://soundcloud.com/jasmineinfiniti/ugly-mixxx

https://soundcloud.com/cali420princess/cali420-princess-mixxx

https://soundcloud.com/ambreezyba/roll-call-mixxx

Yeah that stuff I don't think is what luka means by weirdo music, the LBGT scene in the US, especially the voguing scene and all that death dropping (falling on the ground in extreme positions) is a hermetic subculture with its own mores and stuff.

Really full on, alot of the music :

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/9YoXm0TP1Ww" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

mistersloane
12-05-2016, 04:29 AM
I love this stuff :

http://www.oystermag.com/oyster-playlist-top-5-voguing-death-drops-by-bhenji-r

sadmanbarty
12-05-2016, 09:57 AM
Nice one sloane.

I'd assumed voguing was still done to deep house/ garage. This article documents it's transition to a more jersey club informed music.

https://www.xlr8r.com/features/2011/04/strictly-ballroom-after-decades-in-the-shadow-of-vogue-dancing-and-culture-ballroom-beats-come-to-the-fore/

ps. I was completely wrong about it being a localised Oakland scene.

rubberdingyrapids
12-05-2016, 10:15 AM
is yung lean an internetty sort of rapper?

stuff like main attrakionz didnt seem quite nerdy enough to be internet music/rap.

Slothrop
12-05-2016, 10:28 AM
I've had a few gos at pinning down the characteristics of Internet music here. Can't remember what threads. It's something I like speculating about, diffuse, airy speculation

Is it basically equivalent to what Reynolds calls Record Collection Rock, but with youtube videos from niche contemporary scenes instead of CD reissues of 60s garage rock?

Corpsey
12-05-2016, 10:35 AM
is yung lean an internetty sort of rapper?


Definitely seems like that to me. I'm not overly familiar with him but isn't he a Swedish white boy who uses the aesthetic markers of Houston rap? I always think of ASAP Yams describing something as 'not organically wavy'. Ironically, of course, as ASAP Rocky started out as an internetty sort of rapper, too, borrowing that Houston aesthetic wholesale despite coming from Harlem. He also blew up off the back of Tumblr/blogs.

It's interesting, actually, to consider the connection between the anonymity and fluidity of identity the internet offers EVERYONE and this new (there's a better word for this but I can't think of it) de-localisation of music, this eroding of the sense that a certain type of music comes from a particular place or a particular type of person.

Corpsey
12-05-2016, 10:40 AM
I liked what luka said in the thread about Rinse FM pop, about how young ppl today don't have any compunction whatsoever about taking a bit of this sound and a bit of that sound and mixing it all in together, and how he envied them that.

rubberdingyrapids
12-05-2016, 11:00 AM
internetty music to me just seems like stuff that somehow just sounds disconnected from 'reality'. not in that astral travelling sun ra sort of way. just a sense that the person has no connection with anyone else. or the music hasnt been borne out of connection with someone else. i.e. its not 'for' anyone, and its definitely not for a group or scene etc. it doesnt sound like its inspired by anything 'physical' or tangible in the old fashioned sense. its the work of someone who has perhaps spent too much time on youtube, soundcloud, tumblr, etc etc. now that i put it like that, it seems quite obvious actually lol.

asap rocky i admire for his superior taste, but hes so painfully on-trend, his music rings pretty hollow. its like a style mag journalist deciding to rap. next to no gravitas. fantastic beats though, on those first rocky and ferg albums.

this thread seems to conflate internetty music like compton white (im going to start a new thread for compton white) with stuff that we have heard about cos of the net, like jersey club, SA house, etc.

Corpsey
12-05-2016, 11:11 AM
Well, the interesting thing with Rocky is that much of his taste (so far as I'm aware, and Crowley may correct me here) came from Yams. Yams was the mastermind behind Rocky look and sound. And he effectively blew Rocky up by building up realniggatumblr. It's all covered in this NYT article (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/27/arts/music/asap-yams-partner-to-hip-hops-asap-rocky.html):


By the beginning of 2011 Rocky had a batch of songs that were ready to go. Here again Yams had a plan. Since April 2010 he’d been running a Tumblr — the title is unprintable — which had become one of the most reliable hip-hop tastemaking sites on the Internet, trafficking in obscure gangster rap, scans from old hip-hop magazines, rare photos and all manner of insider jokes. It had a devoted following — it was historical, attitudinal and an alluring blend of street knowledge and nerd knowledge. “That’s what made” his Tumblr “special,” Yams said. “I really mixed both.”

The Tumblr was entertainment, a map of modern hip-hop taste, and, for Yams, also a strategic gambit, “a setup.” Using Tumblr, a blogging platform that allows easy sharing of content, was a conscious choice: “It’s like advertisement.” He was building a reputation as an online tastemaker, spotlighting up-and-coming artists and advocating for a taste level that would be receptive to Rocky’s sound when it was unleashed. “I kept my whole affiliation separate,” Yams said. “I was writing about Rocky like I ain’t know him.”

In April 2011 he posted “Purple Swag,” Rocky’s breakthrough song, a homage to Houston’s chopped-and-screwed music, to which Yams had heavily exposed Rocky. Within months Yams had gotten what he needed from the Internet: Rocky signed a major label contract and a distribution deal for ASAP Worldwide.

That success was a validation not just of Rocky’s skill, but also of Yams’s vision and his ability to infuse it both into Rocky’s music and also into the ears of hundreds of thousands of fans, all without playing so much as a note of music. Yams had built the rapper, and also the audience. All that was left was to convince the mainstream.

FTR I think Rocky's made some great records but he's a pretty average rapper, as are many in this trend-led era. (But ever was it thus.)

I kind of agree with your definition of it being music 'not made for anybody', except that the internet is full of people who like this type of music. I guess you can almost return to this idea of 'weirdos' making music for 'weirdos', and the internet connecting outsiders more than they ever have been before.

rubberdingyrapids
12-05-2016, 11:24 AM
yeah i know it was all yams. its why the last ferg and rocky albums have been so crappy (both of them are trying to get more autobiographical, when im not sure anyone cares about that aspect of them, or that they even have anything interesting to say about themselves/the world?).


the internet is full of people who like this type of music. I guess you can almost return to this idea of 'weirdos' making music for 'weirdos', and the internet connecting outsiders more than they ever have been before.


yeah this is where the idea of internet music as existing in some sort of pathetic feedback loop that means nothing to anyone else in 'the real world' falls apart. i think at its best internet music is just weird, and is somewhat self- or web-reflexive, rather than stuff that tries to capture a bigger/offline audience and fails at it in some way.

sadmanbarty
12-05-2016, 11:39 AM
A study by microsoft showed that attention spans have dropped from 12 seconds in 2000, to 8 seconds now. They suggest this is because of smart phones, social media and the like.

This dual requirement for novelty and economy of information (6 second videos, 140 characters, etc.) could explain the rise in popularity of what I'd call the "sample snippet" genres- footwork, baltimore/jersey club, litefeet, flex, etc. in which small pieces of information are rapidly fired at the listener.

Ironically these genres that appeal to our post-social media cognition were not born on the internet, but rather in localised scenes.

Conversely internet music is slow and drawn out. It's almost as if the internet is trying to nullify its own hyperactivity.

luka
12-05-2016, 11:45 AM
You can't take your body with you to the Internet

rubberdingyrapids
12-05-2016, 11:46 AM
Conversely internet music is slow and drawn out


such as?


You can't take your body with you to the Internet


the internet wants your body

porn sites (which is still the most popular stuff on the net) at least

the porniness of guys like ty dolla sign or the dream etc makes them post-net-porn artists to me

sadmanbarty
12-05-2016, 11:54 AM
such as?

A fair amount of Cloud rap and vaporwave

rubberdingyrapids
12-05-2016, 12:06 PM
i was thinking of something like onehotrix point never, who im semi-interested in, but also find a bit irritating and effervescent. his music seems to fit both your templates - "in which small pieces of information are rapidly fired at the listener" but also "slow and drawn out."

sadmanbarty
12-05-2016, 12:36 PM
i was thinking of something like onehotrix point never, who im semi-interested in, but also find a bit irritating and effervescent. his music seems to fit both your templates - "in which small pieces of information are rapidly fired at the listener" but also "slow and drawn out."

Very interesting idea of having both dualities in one music. I'll have to give him more than the cursory listen I've given him in the past. Incidentally he pioneered vaporwave under his alias Chuck Person with the Eccojams album.

rubberdingyrapids
12-05-2016, 12:50 PM
maybe not rapidly. but the stuff ive heard did seem like lots of disparate bits of info delivered in a slow burning, disconnected sort of way.

sadmanbarty
12-05-2016, 12:52 PM
maybe not rapidly. but the stuff ive heard did seem like lots of disparate bits of info delivered in a slow burning, disconnected sort of way.

I'd say this fits (I'd even class it as "sample snippet" music):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fivLqoP0WhU

mistersloane
14-05-2016, 04:28 AM
Nice one sloane.

I'd assumed voguing was still done to deep house/ garage. This article documents it's transition to a more jersey club informed music.

https://www.xlr8r.com/features/2011/04/strictly-ballroom-after-decades-in-the-shadow-of-vogue-dancing-and-culture-ballroom-beats-come-to-the-fore/

ps. I was completely wrong about it being a localised Oakland scene.

Ha, I was trying to find that article for you.

Seems like the "Ha" is the US LBGT equivalent of the Amen break.

sadmanbarty
14-05-2016, 11:14 AM
A bit more vogue house.

https://soundcloud.com/byrellthegreat/vogue-workout-pt-4-holiday-edition

https://soundcloud.com/qweenbeat/qween-beat-ultimate-mashup-dj

Corpsey, the second one has some tracks you might quite like considering you're a big UK Funky fan.

mistersloane
14-05-2016, 04:32 PM
A bit more vogue house.

https://soundcloud.com/byrellthegreat/vogue-workout-pt-4-holiday-edition

.

This one is a fucking great mix, thank you. I'd love to hear this stuff speeded up further.

sadmanbarty
14-05-2016, 05:39 PM
A few things from the Purple Tape Pedigree label. The music sounds nothing like Cuban Linx.

https://soundcloud.com/purpletapepedigree/sets/ptp003

https://soundcloud.com/purpletapepedigree/sets/ptp008-ct-ftw-ep

https://soundcloud.com/purpletapepedigree/sets/ptp005-jl-sd

https://soundcloud.com/purpletapepedigree/sets/ptp007-dj-nj-drone-syn-stair

Leo
14-05-2016, 09:48 PM
I've been liking this EndgamE track for awhile, didn't realize Purple Tape Pedigree was a thing.

https://soundcloud.com/thump/endgame-savage-riddim

mistersloane
16-05-2016, 02:38 AM
Ha, I was trying to find that article for you.

Seems like the "Ha" is the US LBGT equivalent of the Amen break.

Also the "Ha" crash really reminds me of the crash sound in Ice Rink. I'd love to see fabulous death dropping to Ice Rink. That would slay.

sadmanbarty
17-05-2016, 12:28 PM
Not the mokujin datwun was talking about.

https://soundcloud.com/uk-garage-mokujin/mokujin-jungle-n-juke-n-jit-extended-clip-forthcoming-on-blaq

sadmanbarty
23-05-2016, 04:04 PM
https://pro.beatport.com/release/other-side-ep/1738008

sadmanbarty
25-05-2016, 12:23 PM
Capital K'aos

https://soundcloud.com/capitalkaos/tracks

This one in particular stands out:

https://soundcloud.com/capitalkaos/pleasure-principle-seductive-pleasure-remix-prod-by-capital-kaos

sadmanbarty
25-05-2016, 12:41 PM
DJ Papo Reto

https://soundcloud.com/l-aandro-lool-s-nch-s/dj-papo-reto-eterno-william

https://soundcloud.com/l-aandro-lool-s-nch-s/dj-papo-reto-flicka-dat-wrist-remix

https://soundcloud.com/l-aandro-lool-s-nch-s/dj-papo-reto-indiacurls-2k16

https://soundcloud.com/l-aandro-lool-s-nch-s/bonus-dj-papo-reto-unico

https://soundcloud.com/l-aandro-lool-s-nch-s/dj-papo-reto-safoda-rapicada

https://soundcloud.com/l-aandro-lool-s-nch-s/dj-papo-reto-sentimentos

https://soundcloud.com/l-aandro-lool-s-nch-s/papo-reto-x-kingfox-perdidos-em-boston-149bpm

https://soundcloud.com/l-aandro-lool-s-nch-s/dj-papo-reto-tecnho-union-2k16

https://soundcloud.com/l-aandro-lool-s-nch-s/dj-papo-reto-matine-de-tokio

sadmanbarty
08-08-2016, 06:34 PM
Earlier this year I posted some bits from Trekkie Trax in the Juke thread. They've done some more since:

https://trekkietrax.bandcamp.com/album/rave-rising

https://trekkietrax.bandcamp.com/album/hack-the-club