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luka
26-08-2016, 11:49 AM
first came across this here
http://www.thewire.co.uk/in-writing/the-portal/excepter_s-portal
there's a article for dummies here
http://grantland.com/features/documentary-year/
where ive stolen the phrase 'immersion criticism' from.
i dont read d&g or know what they mean by schizoanalysis but im stealing it for this because it appeals to the schizoid and the full blown schizophrenic or mimics the schizophrenics mode of thinking.
The best blog I know for it is here
http://groupnameforgrapejuice.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/meereschal-macmuhun-moon-child-me-3.html
and there's also
http://www.collativelearning.com/the%20shining.html
mentioned in the wire piece.

There's precursors to it in Hugh Kenner, a writer Craner introduced to me, and in his teacher, Marshall Mcluhan, and, to a lesser degree, his acolyte, Guy Davenport.
You can see it in Pound's reading of the troubadours and Robert Anton Wilson's reading of James Joyce.
It's cousin to the way my friend Mark didn't just play Skyrim
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_V:_Skyrim
he invented characters, built back stories and motivations and played the game in character, performing no action his character would blanch at, even once building a vegetarian character!

You can see it in a lurid, monomanical (and probably cyncial form) in my favourite film review website here
http://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/return-oz-creepy-disney-movie-blatantly-mind-control/

it's my favourite thing and it makes conventional criticism look grey, incurious and one dimensional.

luka
26-08-2016, 11:51 AM
I want to learn how to do it but Im not a natural.

luka
26-08-2016, 11:52 AM
another guide for dummies here
http://www.abuildingroam.com/2014/01/falling-down-kubrick-rabbit-hole.html

luka
26-08-2016, 12:08 PM
you can 'read' geopolitics in this way too, to great effect

luka
26-08-2016, 01:02 PM
And the parallels with psychoanalysis are plain.

baboon2004
26-08-2016, 02:47 PM
i've only read snatches of the articles you linked to, but seems this is all somewhere between conspiracy theory and the (long overdue) acknowledgement that both the artist's subconscious and the viewer's subconscious are invoked in any reading of a piece of art. Art is just a catalyst for exploration.

Re geopolitics - you mean overturning the idea that geopolitical decisions are taken exclusively on a rational basis (which is still an almost ubiquitous idea)?

Leo
26-08-2016, 03:14 PM
naval-gazing privileged folk with too much time on their hands, go take a walk outside goddamnit!

luka
26-08-2016, 03:41 PM
naval-gazing privileged folk with too much time on their hands, go take a walk outside goddamnit!

Well perhaps, but of all the potential responses to those essays that's undoubtedly the least interesting, the least productive and the least smart.

luka
26-08-2016, 03:42 PM
Re geopolitics - you mean overturning the idea that geopolitical decisions are taken exclusively on a rational basis (which is still an almost ubiquitous idea)?

Could be, but not exclusively.

Leo
26-08-2016, 04:01 PM
Well perhaps, but of all the potential responses to those essays that's undoubtedly the least interesting, the least productive and the least smart.

i guess i'll need to include a row of smiley faces at the end next time. :o;):D:rolleyes:

luka
26-08-2016, 04:09 PM
Oops sorry were you joking? That's most people's straightfaced response so assumed you were serious

Mr. Tea
26-08-2016, 04:20 PM
Oops sorry were you joking? That's most people's straightfaced response so assumed you were serious

This will go down in history as The Day Luke Got Trolled.

Leo
26-08-2016, 04:56 PM
Oops sorry were you joking? That's most people's straightfaced response so assumed you were serious

no worries, all good.

be nice, tea. ;)

luka
26-08-2016, 05:09 PM
Just, er, crossed wires...

Mr. Tea
26-08-2016, 07:15 PM
no worries, all good.

be nice, tea. ;)

Me? I'm always nice! Ask anyone!


Just, er, crossed wires...

Haha, YESSSS.

baboon2004
27-08-2016, 01:57 PM
Could be, but not exclusively.

How else might this be applied to geopolitics?

luka
28-08-2016, 07:58 PM
guess i had in mind thigs like this
http://www.peterdalescott.net/opec.html
or maybe this
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/04/reshuffling-eurasias-energy-deck-iran-china-and-pipelineistan/

baboon2004
28-08-2016, 09:08 PM
guess i had in mind thigs like this
http://www.peterdalescott.net/opec.html
or maybe this
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/04/reshuffling-eurasias-energy-deck-iran-china-and-pipelineistan/

thanks. I used to work with a guy who wrote a lot about those oil and gas pipelines as they related to central Asia. super-complicated, as the article reflects. The link to immersion criticism - do you mean the way these articles endorse political realism to an extent that some might dub it conspiracy theory?

And that Return to Oz review - that film seemed to have been made with the express intent of traumatising children. Couldn't believe it when I saw it on the BBC at about 3 in the afternoon.

woops
01-09-2016, 04:37 PM
naval-gazing privileged folk

you mean these techniques could also provide insights into maritime military history?!

Mr. Tea
01-09-2016, 05:26 PM
And that Return to Oz review - that film seemed to have been made with the express intent of traumatising children. Couldn't believe it when I saw it on the BBC at about 3 in the afternoon.

That and Watership Down, jesus. :eek: