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Corpsey
16-09-2016, 10:38 AM
Cos it ain't all shit

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I like my techno hard, not fit for sitting in a bean bag to.

Leo
16-09-2016, 03:15 PM
randomer has this great knack for really bruising drum sounds, always a highlight tracks by him and also blawan. since many techno tracks tend to be functional ("DJ tools") rather than actual songs, the sounds of the baselines and drum programming are what make the difference between good and boring.

just last weekend, i pulled a bunch of old jeff mills and UR 12"s off the shelf and had a good ol' time. abe duque and the tension records crew were also a techno fav back in the day, a little heavier on the acid tip than the detroit guys.

i haven't followed techno that much in the last few years, who's doing it well nowadays? i've liked a fair amount of the blawan and pearson sound releases, also stuff on the livity sound label. never got into all the berlin ostgut ton stuff, dettmann, ben klock, etc. it's too sleek and clean for my tastes, i like my techno dirtier and grubbier (like randomer), although i do like answer code request and call super. ancient methods is ok, a bit industrial at times. silent servant rubs me the wrong way, for some reason.

CrowleyHead
16-09-2016, 03:22 PM
Listening to techno in 2016. Couldn't be me.

luka
12-10-2016, 01:55 PM
my mate who only listens to hiphop of the homeboy sandman variety weirdly asked me about techno so im doing a little youtube playlist he can sneer at

luka
12-10-2016, 02:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEjglVucba1jimwCB07FeaNhNZU_ht4hL

its a work in progress let me know if you think theres anything vitally important i must add

Leo
12-10-2016, 02:09 PM
tons of classics there, luka. one quibble: is "good life" techno?

droid
12-10-2016, 02:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqD1OohY2to

luka
12-10-2016, 02:11 PM
tons of classics there, luka. one quibble: is "good life" techno?

house vocalist, housey sound but its detroit and kevin saunderson so it goes in. im only doing classics and basics cos its for a beginner. its not for the likes of you lot.

luka
12-10-2016, 02:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqD1OohY2to

this is basically what techno is in his imagination.

droid
12-10-2016, 02:21 PM
lol. Rewrite history to include only the tasteful if you so wish.

luka
12-10-2016, 02:22 PM
im not writing a history im trying to overcome a deepseated prejudice and that aint gunna help!

luka
12-10-2016, 02:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muWi7zbDbeo

droid
12-10-2016, 02:31 PM
Ah, I thought you meant MY imagination.

Maybe some Kirk Degiorgio?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnoYvXKQLJY

droid
12-10-2016, 02:32 PM
Or some B12


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxUxetFjmzs

luka
12-10-2016, 02:35 PM
ive been reading your message board posts for what feels like 30 years. i know you know a bit about techno. i dont want to go to europe. it'll get too unweildy.

luka
12-10-2016, 02:37 PM
Or some B12


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxUxetFjmzs

this is wicked tho ill have that. im not that into the electro stuff but might cram a couple of token drexciyas in

droid
12-10-2016, 02:42 PM
If youre into first/second wave Detroit, the next best thing is London techno - early WARP and its precursors. Matt did a good mix of this stuff a while back actually: https://www.mixcloud.com/woebot/fragments-techno-in-the-uk-1989-1993/

luka
12-10-2016, 02:46 PM
yeah i love that mix, specailly the 2nd track. listen to it all the time.

Corpsey
12-10-2016, 02:53 PM
I love the recurring dissensus offscreen character of Luka's mate that listens to Homeboy Sandman :D

luka
12-10-2016, 02:54 PM
i should develop him a bit more. hes a bit one dimensional so far. i liked when he said mos def was the black bob dylan

Corpsey
12-10-2016, 03:06 PM
Does Joey Beltram fit into your playlist? Which looks excellent BTW

http://cdn4.pitchfork.com/albums/20082/homepage_large.09555aa9.jpg

This has to be one of the coolest covers I've seen.

baboon2004
12-10-2016, 03:10 PM
this is too good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5WNtVys9BY

Corpsey
12-10-2016, 03:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2j0skT6ekM

BELTRAM - CALIBRE

I like Joey Beltram, his tunes make me want to drop beans wherever I listen to them.

Corpsey
07-12-2016, 10:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVLEvVtwDGE

SHED - I COME BY NIGHT

EVIL GEAR

Pearsall
27-12-2016, 10:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg7iYJz1FBE

BELTRAM - CALIBRE

I like Joey Beltram, his tunes make me want to drop beans wherever I listen to them.

Drome was my fave from that ep, love the swirly synth line that comes in at about 1:45 in:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLoxeuQFo1o

Mr. Tea
13-01-2017, 05:00 PM
That first mix has got some TOUGH tunes on it. Great stuff. I love the totally unexpected breakbeat that comes in at 1:10:30.

IdleRich
14-01-2017, 09:16 PM
"house vocalist, housey sound but its detroit and kevin saunderson so it goes in. im only doing classics and basics cos its for a beginner. its not for the likes of you lot."
Since I first heard it I've always hated that tune for some reason.

Is it Craner? I saw him putting a techno thing on fb and you saying "I thought you hated techno?".

IdleRich
14-01-2017, 09:35 PM
You had a load of stuff on that playlist, did it have this one on it?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGDOyKPjK1s
Similar to that Hall of Mirrors thing back a page.

IdleRich
14-01-2017, 10:27 PM
Actually having listened all through that Hall of Mirrors it's not that similar, not even in mood which is what I thought.

IdleRich
14-01-2017, 10:36 PM
And back to the general techno thread - I got this record yesterday, I'm not sure it's really techno but I heard Ben Klock play it so....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRI--W22dK4

luka
27-01-2017, 07:32 PM
http://www.woebot.com/2016/12/force-field-detroit-techno-1985-1995.html?m=1

New detroit mix from our patron Saint

craner
27-01-2017, 09:19 PM
I need a banging Detroit CD for my car. Any suggestions?

luka
27-01-2017, 09:39 PM
http://www.woebot.com/2017/01/detroit-compilations.html?m=1

1 of these

craner
27-01-2017, 09:41 PM
"CD" "for my" "car" were the important words there.

luka
27-01-2017, 10:17 PM
Yeah, get one of those on cd and play it in your car then you weirdo

craner
27-01-2017, 10:45 PM
They all seem to be records?

Benny B
27-01-2017, 10:48 PM
download these and rip em to cd. They are stunning.

https://www.xlr8r.com/news/2013/06/download-a-series-of-classic-jeff-mills-radio-mixes/

luka
27-01-2017, 11:22 PM
They all seem to be records?

Has it forgotten how music used to be released on multiple formats? It wasn't that long ago

luka
27-01-2017, 11:24 PM
I don't like the wizard mixes personally. They're irritating and they're as much hiphop and electro as techno usually.

bruno
29-01-2017, 11:37 PM
the swedish stuff is phenomenal - hypnotic, moody, unrelenting; (semi recent) examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgYrIiVKgNM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvGufQUGrcI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a28MQyWmuAI

all heavily indebted to donato dozzy/voices of the lake who are excellent as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEmxWTcxOXg

bruno
30-01-2017, 02:07 AM
+

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eod0ciR98K4

Corpsey
05-10-2017, 02:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx4mjEfCe58

Underground Resistance - Riot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhLNawtC0bo

UR - Punisher

boo
06-10-2017, 04:22 PM
this is amazing https://www.discogs.com/DJ-Bone-SubjectDetroit-Volume-2/release/34830

Corpsey
13-10-2017, 02:34 PM
Working through Villalobos back catalogue to help distract me from finding a job

Making a playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFuVuN1-HBteM1pPEX3dVPsFqkL0KzBvf

Leo
08-01-2018, 01:57 PM
i can relate to a lot here...


But now there was no sense of urgency, none of that internal pressure that drove me to keep up and keep track. Just idle curiosity.

I felt a serene disinterest, in the true sense of the word - not uninterested, just with no dog in this particular race.

http://energyflashbysimonreynolds.blogspot.com/2018/01/the-dream-of-nineties-is-alive-in.html

CORP$EY
08-01-2018, 02:07 PM
yeah I used to be quite into the idea of living in berlin for das techno but actually that's a living nightmare isn't it lol

i would still be interested in living there cos it's a very nice city and a 24 hour party (albeit to mindless thudding robot music) would be a nice treat from time to time

CORP$EY
08-01-2018, 02:07 PM
imagine if London was just stuck in the mid 90s - endless jungle and garage raves

actually lolll

thirdform
08-01-2018, 08:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTWeHjY5zJQ

Pearsall
10-01-2018, 09:44 AM
i can relate to a lot here...



http://energyflashbysimonreynolds.blogspot.com/2018/01/the-dream-of-nineties-is-alive-in.html

great piece - totally agree that techno is stuck in a form of stasis. I actually played at Griessmuehle (https://www.facebook.com/sonicrampage/photos/a.184896791544589.44612.131001660267436/1851848454849406/?type=3) a few month ago and played a mix of new and old stuff, and the reaction was, if anything, better for the old stuff

Corpsey
10-01-2018, 11:53 AM
Interesting how that seems to be the case - like anybody making a UK garage pastiche today could probably do a pretty convincing impersonation of the old stuff, but seems extremely unlikely they will ever make something as good as the best tunes. The original energy and invention has gone - it's become mannered, imprisoned by the clichés set out by the founding fathers.

thirdform
10-01-2018, 06:19 PM
it's weird though, a techno stasis seems to be a lot more tolerable than the directions both jungle and dubstep went in.

or maybe i just vicariously thrill to hearing out the landstrumm/jerome hill/perc/uk wonky techno end of things on a big rig. i guess it's like being devoted to drum and bass, yes it doesn't really go anywhere but there are always fine little additions and subtractions, the production fetish becomes the very thing which keeps it going.

that is very male granted but techno nights have been quite mixed matter of fact...

Now why can't i feel the same for new dnb/jungle?

thirdform
10-01-2018, 06:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6plf4k_Jh0

thirdform
10-01-2018, 06:40 PM
https://soundcloud.com/wtbpodcast/wtb-podcast-34-by-mustard-gunn

this sound is like electro for me i guess, it never gets old. it's also the techno end of rave fundamentalism.

CORP$EY
11-01-2018, 10:24 AM
Personally i DON'T think a techno stasis IS more tolerable than a jungle stasis but how about:

Techno has a sort of stasis encoded into it, no? THUMP-THUMP-THUMP-THUMP.

Jungle has a restless propulsive energy and so it needs a feeling of authentic excitement to it. Which is why somebody doing a perfect impersonation of dillinja circa 1994 feels like somebody doing a perfect michael jackson impersonation on stars in their eyes

Pearsall
11-01-2018, 10:43 AM
it's weird though, a techno stasis seems to be a lot more tolerable than the directions both jungle and dubstep went in.

or maybe i just vicariously thrill to hearing out the landstrumm/jerome hill/perc/uk wonky techno end of things on a big rig. i guess it's like being devoted to drum and bass, yes it doesn't really go anywhere but there are always fine little additions and subtractions, the production fetish becomes the very thing which keeps it going.

that is very male granted but techno nights have been quite mixed matter of fact...

Now why can't i feel the same for new dnb/jungle?

I agree - I don't mind a techno stasis! (and 'The dream of the 90's is alive in Kreuzberg' is a fantastic post title). I'm in my late 30's, so I'm now at the point where I am quite content to listen to the music of my youth; it's just amusing to me that so many actual youths are happy to listen to/dance to stuff that is so close to it. ;)

Anyways, there has been a lot of jungle in recent years that is pretty good. Sure it's pastiche, but it's a good pastiche (in my eyes anyways); the main room dnb sound, sure, has gone in the direction of 170 bpm edm-pop, but there are a lot of artists doing fun takes on the classic jungle sound. here's a mix I did a few months back that features a bunch of different tunes from (mostly) new artists: https://soundcloud.com/sonicrampage/out-in-the-streets-fresh-all-vinyl-jungledrum-n-bass-mix?in=sonicrampage/sets/pearsalls-2017-mixes



Jungle has a restless propulsive energy and so it needs a feeling of authentic excitement to it. Which is why somebody doing a perfect impersonation of dillinja circa 1994 feels like somebody doing a perfect michael jackson impersonation on stars in their eyes

haha

still, I think that's just a mental block. if you were to hear something like a Tim Reaper tune in a rave on a big system, do you think your reaction would be, "sorry, this is new and therefore is automatically missing that authentic excitement"?

yyaldrin
11-01-2018, 12:04 PM
Kreuzberg is alive only if your perspective is London.

CORP$EY
11-01-2018, 01:48 PM
still, I think that's just a mental block. if you were to hear something like a Tim Reaper tune in a rave on a big system, do you think your reaction would be, "sorry, this is new and therefore is automatically missing that authentic excitement"?

this is an interesting one

sometimes i send my mate a track which is a pastiche of old garage or jungle and he always says 'it's quite good - but what's the point?' :crylarf:

vs. the 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' ethos

but you're right in the sense that if everything was destroyed and only the jungle survived, the aliens might not be able to actually tell what was made in 94 or 2017, and they'd be better placed (in one sense) to say which tracks, regardless of era, are 'better'

saying that, i would be more interested in a jungle rebore if it wasn't so slavishly devoted to the classic sounds of a 3-5 year period. that's what makes it a bit 'fancy dress' (to use on of luka's formulations)

CORP$EY
11-01-2018, 01:51 PM
i guess with some forms of music you might as well ask 'why don't they make a new sort of ecstacy pill?'

cos the original version works fine dunnit

Pearsall
11-01-2018, 02:49 PM
saying that, i would be more interested in a jungle rebore if it wasn't so slavishly devoted to the classic sounds of a 3-5 year period. that's what makes it a bit 'fancy dress' (to use on of luka's formulations)

totally agree with you here, this is one of those things I find a little perplexing about much (but not all!) jungle revivalism - it basically ignores the subsequent 25 years of musical history. why the same old vocal samples, for example? I don't think I've ever heard one of these jungle revivalists sample Wiley or Dizzee Rascal, let alone any newer or lesser-known UK mc.

this is getting a bit off the topic of techno, though ...

thirdform
11-01-2018, 07:26 PM
Personally i DON'T think a techno stasis IS more tolerable than a jungle stasis but how about:

Techno has a sort of stasis encoded into it, no? THUMP-THUMP-THUMP-THUMP.

Jungle has a restless propulsive energy and so it needs a feeling of authentic excitement to it. Which is why somebody doing a perfect impersonation of dillinja circa 1994 feels like somebody doing a perfect michael jackson impersonation on stars in their eyes

i think there's a propulsive energy in a lot of early 90s hardcore techno/hard acid etc. you hear magnetic north/kickin stuff on a rig and its this kinda colossal metallic rush.

That stuff isn't about in much berghain techno.

either way, its nowhere near as emotionally dichotomous as jungle, not even close. i think it is those impossible juxtapositions that you can't just capture in the studio, that aren't about nerding. whereas techno has always had this pure mechanical quality to it, even when it tries to humanise the machine. but jungle is machine contortions.

Corpsey
11-01-2018, 08:50 PM
You know what you're right there the early techno (stuff like Beltram esp.) is tearing...

As boring as I find a lot of techno to listen to I'm conscious that it's very functional music (not a diss) and if you're not hearing it at full blast while on a pinger you're probably not hearing it properly. :Shrug:

thirdform
11-01-2018, 10:59 PM
pretty much i would contest the pinger assumption but hey I'm an unreconstructed dirty commie with a massive prroblem w club cultures normalisation of drugs.

MDMA is shit as well after the first two or so times.

It's that minimal abstract funk feel for me. When done right and at the right time at the right speed etc there really isn't much better. hypnotic — real trance music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajBgXq--2v0

thirdform
11-01-2018, 11:11 PM
My favourite kenny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcxduJ9EAwY

luka
12-01-2018, 11:40 AM
techno is much better on drugs. really makes it come alive. probably the music that is most improved by chemicals imo. never been to a techno club though.

Corpsey
12-01-2018, 05:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVWjrPmHAzE

entertainment
12-01-2018, 06:29 PM
I don't know shit about jungle and like any of my friends and music interested peers, I wasn't there for it. Which is probably why I don't really get it. However, I do find the concept of genre stasis pretty interesting when the genre (from what I can tell) isn't actively gatekept by obnoxious would-be authorities and stuck-in-the-past ravers. What really causes it to disconnect from its surrounding temporal movement then? As far as I can tell, it's not the lack of prospective "good" musical paths and directions either.

My outside-looking-in guess would be, that the music is just completely inseparable from the surrounding cultural, political and social conditions of its inception and subsequent culmination. Is it possible that these things areso encoded in its dna and instrumental to its purpose, that listening to the music now becomes dependant on the degree to which it recalls the past world? Not really talking about nostalgia here, as much as a need to stay connected with certain elements, that maintain the genre's existential sanity.

thirdform
12-01-2018, 07:05 PM
We're talking about genres that are 30 years old tbh, with a limited (dj specific) sound palette.

there's not much to explore in dance music as a whole anymore.

too much arpy melodic content and it just ends up removing the friction and grit.

thirdform
12-01-2018, 07:14 PM
techno is much better on drugs. really makes it come alive. probably the music that is most improved by chemicals imo. never been to a techno club though.


trance. as shit as it is, those massive breakdowns sound epic when you're pingered.

padraig (u.s.)
13-01-2018, 12:37 AM
It's that minimal abstract funk feel for me

inspired by this I listened to the Carl Craig Psyche/BFC comp after not listening to any techno in forever, and enjoyed it immensely, thanks

minimal abstract funk is a perfect description of at least the classic Detroit and Detroit-inspired side of techno, I think

speaking of real trance music...

padraig (u.s.)
13-01-2018, 12:45 AM
trance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJY7EfAMNn8
getting blazed + riding a bike around the city at night

the roots of trance is actually pretty great - Torsten Fenslau, Exist Dance, early Psychic Warriors of Gaia, etc as well as all the EBM, New Beat etc

too bad it all went so wrong

thirdform
13-01-2018, 12:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJY7EfAMNn8
getting blazed + riding a bike around the city at night

the roots of trance is actually pretty great - Torsten Fenslau, Exist Dance, early Psychic Warriors of Gaia, etc as well as all the EBM, New Beat etc

too bad it all went so wrong


I can't help but feel a perverse fondness for all that shitty wrong euro stuff up to a point (binary finary 1998, blank and jones cream etc.) progressive house/trance is truly one of the most tedious things on the planet tho.

That bleep43 roots of trance mix is a stone cold winner. check it.

padraig (u.s.)
13-01-2018, 01:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/user/neowavemusic/playlists

this dude came up in the YT recs for Eden Transmission

looks both awesome and comprehensive

padraig (u.s.)
13-01-2018, 01:11 AM
the Bleep43 thing also looks cool, will check

the pre-codification, liminal, wot do u call it phase is usually the most interesting, but especially for trance

I mean trance music as an idea! kinda related to what we were talking to in the ambient thread about the drone + the drum as the oldest human music

when trance was an idea rather than a (terrible) genre; psychedelic electronic dance music