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droid
07-03-2017, 11:24 AM
Recommend some! Not necessarily biopics, most of which Ive probably seen.

Later I will stun you with the revelation of the best film about music ever made.

rubberdingyrapids
07-03-2017, 11:54 AM
Recommend some! Not necessarily biopics, most of which Ive probably seen.

Later I will stun you with the revelation of the best film about music ever made.

those ken russell bbc films
all ken russell films about composers/musicians
radio on
great rock n roll swindle
wildstyle
spike lee's bad 25

fantasia is the best film about music though.

droid
07-03-2017, 12:00 PM
Tell me more about the Russells. I have but a hazy memory of them.

Corpsey
07-03-2017, 01:58 PM
I really enjoyed 'Eight Days a Week' recently, but you've probably seen that one.

As cheesy as 'Sing Street' was, I think it really captured the typical teenage love affair with music, the way music glamorises life in a boring place, the joy of writing songs and band practices with your mates.

Isn't 'Love and Mercy' supposed to be good? The Brian Wilson biopic.

Can anyone tell me if 'Walk the Line' is worth watching?

craner
07-03-2017, 02:01 PM
The Commitments

droid
07-03-2017, 02:05 PM
Walk the line is worthy but dull. Commitments did not age well, but is a good pick cos it actually tries to talk about what music means rather than just play it by the numbers. Will have to check out the Wilson thing.

Anything more metaphysical? 'Saddest music in the world' was by far the biggest disappointment.

Corpsey
07-03-2017, 02:11 PM
'The Beat my Heart Skipped' isn't really about music, but it revolves around an aspiring concert pianist so I'll mention it anyway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beat_That_My_Heart_Skipped

Thinking of pianists, Haneke's 'The Piano Teacher' comes to mind. Again, not really about music, but music is an extremely important aspect of the movie (and the book).

Also, here's a movie I've not seen but want to see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Two_Short_Films_About_Glenn_Gould

My favourite movie about music might actually be 'School of Rock' but that's about as non-metaphysical as you can get!

How is 'Nashville'?

luka
07-03-2017, 02:31 PM
i like school of rock too.

droid
07-03-2017, 03:10 PM
fantasia is the best film about music though.

You slipped that one in after edit! Not true.

HMGovt
07-03-2017, 03:50 PM
Come on lads, it's obviously Amadeus

droid
07-03-2017, 04:06 PM
So many films about musicians, but so few about music.

Did anyone see drumline? Way better than whiplash.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fsMce1OvXY

craner
07-03-2017, 05:02 PM
Saturday Night Fever?

luka
07-03-2017, 05:08 PM
Blues Brothers.

baboon2004
07-03-2017, 06:44 PM
Good Vibrations
The Harder They Come, Spinal Tap obvs
The Music Lovers by Russell
Inside Llewyn Davis (I hate the Coens, but I quite liked this)
Lady Sings the Blues (tho a biopic)
Laurel Canyon (sort of)

TV series rather than film, but The Get Down from last year was intermittently fantastic.

Whiplash is definitely one of the most hilariously bad films I have seen.

Corpsey
07-03-2017, 06:46 PM
Good Vibrations

Inside Llewyn Davis (I hate the Coens, but I quite liked this)
.

This is interesting, cos that's such a Coen-y Coen brothers movie.

Sort of like a Coens take on Amadeus - the tragedy of being only talented, and then blown off life's stage by a genius.

craner
07-03-2017, 06:50 PM
I detest the Coen brothers.

baboon2004
07-03-2017, 06:51 PM
Yeah, I liked the shadow Dylan cast over the whole story, and the last scene was so well judged. But yeah, very Coeny in a way - I just felt it was the first film I'd seen by them that wasn't bereft of emotion because consumed by a sense of its own cleverness. Possible exception of Fargo.

(Kumiko the Treasure Hunter is a brilliant 'like the Coens but good' film , I thought. But nothing to do with music.)

craner
07-03-2017, 07:30 PM
Spinal Tap is probably the greatest, but that's a grim conclusion because it's, essentially, a diminution of music.

So I think that Saturday Night Fever is probably the greatest, a celebration of the transformative effect and transcendental quality of music in the face of hard, grinding reality.

craner
07-03-2017, 07:32 PM
And the Bee Gees achieved it!

craner
07-03-2017, 09:03 PM
Are music documentaries part of this? I only ask, because I find Martin Scorcese's music documentaries (all his documentaries, in fact, maybe with the exception of italianamerican which I have never seen but looks really good) to be surprisingly glib and amateurish, the very opposite of his great works (yes, I love Mean Streets, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, After Hours, King of Comedy and Goodfellas just like everyone else does, I'm not being contrarian).

He produced a massive multipart documentary about the blues which my father owns, and watching it with him I was amazed by its laziness and poor quality. He's apparently planning a Bill Clinton doc which sounds like it's going to be a cheap and embarrassing hagiography, as his Stones and NYRB films were.

Mr. Tea
07-03-2017, 10:32 PM
http://youtu.be/4ZhjZgdyUGw

jenks
08-03-2017, 09:55 AM
32 short films about Glenn Gould

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9g0O505uVQ

rubberdingyrapids
08-03-2017, 11:20 AM
not seen all scorsese's music docs, but i think his documentary work is pretty patchy. the last waltz was boring, but thats prob cos i thought the music was deathly dull, until muddy waters came on, and then dylan rescued it all at the end (and im not even a huge dylan fan). the most interesting parts were the interviews and dialogue between the band, but every time that got interesting, scorsese cut to another boring live performance. could be wrong as ive not seen shine a light, the dylan one, etc, but the problem i think is that his music docs seem his chance to show his reverence for his musical heroes.

anyone seen the oasis film from last year? (seriously)

Corpsey
08-03-2017, 11:23 AM
I've heard that Oasis doc is good. One of my friends is obsessed with Liam Gallagher videos on Youtube and I can see why, he is quite an entertaining knobhead.

Speaking of Oasis, I remember really liking 'Live Forever', more than I liked Britpop. (I'm just saying that to be cool cos the truth is I was about 10 years old and I bloody loved the Lightning Seeds in those days.)

Also '24 Hour Party People' is a good film IMO

droid
08-03-2017, 11:31 AM
Some decent suggestions there, thanks. Will really have to check out that Gould film. 'Control' hasnt been mentioned has it? Cracked actor is another good one.

Biopics touch on it here and there, and you catch sideways glimpses in documentaries, but it but it is remarkable how few films explore the phenomenology of music.


Music. The breathing of statues. Perhaps:
The quiet of images. You, language where
languages end. You, time
standing straight from the direction
of transpiring hearts.

Feelings, for whom? O, you of the feelings
changing into what?— into an audible landscape.
You stranger: music. You chamber of our heart
which has outgrown us. Our inner most self,
transcending, squeezed out,—
holy farewell:
now that the interior surrounds us
the most practiced of distances, as the other
side of the air:
pure,
enormous
no longer habitable.

Spectacular wrongness from Craner once again though. Unsurprising, but sad!

Corpsey
08-03-2017, 11:41 AM
https://vimeo.com/5445261

Can the power of music make the brain come alive? Throughout his career Dr. Oliver Sacks, neurologist and acclaimed author, whose book Awakenings was made into a Oscar-nominated feature film starring Robin Williams and Robert De Niro, has encountered myriad patients who are struggling to cope with debilitating medical conditions. While their ailments vary, many have one thing in common: an appreciation for the therapeutic effects of music. NOVA follows four individuals—two of whom are Sacks's case studies—and even peers into Sacks's own brain, to investigate music's strange, surprising, and still unexplained power over the human mind.

craner
08-03-2017, 11:42 AM
Eh? What have I done now?

droid
08-03-2017, 11:44 AM
About the best music film. Laughable. :poop:

droid
08-03-2017, 11:45 AM
https://vimeo.com/5445261

Can the power of music make the brain come alive? Throughout his career Dr. Oliver Sacks, neurologist and acclaimed author, whose book Awakenings was made into a Oscar-nominated feature film starring Robin Williams and Robert De Niro, has encountered myriad patients who are struggling to cope with debilitating medical conditions. While their ailments vary, many have one thing in common: an appreciation for the therapeutic effects of music. NOVA follows four individuals—two of whom are Sacks's case studies—and even peers into Sacks's own brain, to investigate music's strange, surprising, and still unexplained power over the human mind.

I was just thinking about Sacks there, definitely one of the few people to look closely at perception of music and the brain. His book is very good.

Corpsey
08-03-2017, 11:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4yhW36jY8o

Haven't seen this but I read some positive reviews of it. Film about a group of friends in Paris DJing/putting on house music parties.

rubberdingyrapids
08-03-2017, 12:09 PM
its quite good, but no saturday night fever. its more about work and fame than the music IMO.

droid
08-03-2017, 12:12 PM
Ok, the suspense is over. This is the greatest film ever made about music, and (possibly) my favourite film of all time.


...Sainte Colombe asks Marais if he finally understands the purpose of music. Marais naively says "God." He's wrong, because "God can speak." Sainte Colombe makes him try again, and Marais goes through an exhaustive list of guesses: love, the loss of love, silence, glory...But he still doesn't get it. Marais begins to well up, admitting he doesn't know. Maybe it's better left to the dead. Sainte Colombe lights up. "You're getting warmer."

This prompts Marais's epiphany: "A little tune for those who can't speak any longer. For lost children. For softening a shoemaker's hammer. For the time before we even lived or breathed or saw the light."


A remarkable meditation on, loss, grief & regret and the intangible power of music.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y-DI1Ig16s

Presumably many of you have seen it? Its hardly obscure and was pretty big news back in the 90's.

Decent review here: http://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/the-things-we-never-said-any-differently

empty mirror
09-03-2017, 01:23 PM
i just watched Miles Ahead this week
it was entertaining - it won't change your life, but worth a spin
don cheadle is very good

Corpsey
15-03-2017, 11:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_5MnvCUvDU

Dunno if this fits in, dunno if it's good, but I thought I'd chuck it in here cos you never know

rubberdingyrapids
20-03-2017, 03:46 PM
the best films about music might actually be richard lesters

on the other hand, i think the best films about music would actually not be narrative cinema, but art cinema, where images are used more abstractly, rather than to tell a story, ie. images used in the same way as music is played, not bound to narrative necessities and limitations. im struggling to think of a specific example though . or have i just described music videos?

entertainment
28-03-2017, 10:26 PM
Just saw Straight Outta Compton, which I liked. It tried to talk about a lot of stuff in connection with the group and the sentiments behind the music. Race, crime and its consequences, family, police brutality, the riots, the Compton neighbourhood, wanting to escape it, music as a means to doing that, being the voice of your people, making it big from nothing, money, the music business, people screwing each other over with contracts and shit.

Naturally, it was so busy that it went over all these themes kinda superficially, so you got the basic idea without much nuance. Still a fun biopic with good acting. The scene I liked the most was the NWA members sitting around in a meeting listening to Ice Cube's diss track "No Vaseline" when it came out. Also I had no idea that Eazy E played such a central role in the history of the group. I always thought he was sort of a Old Dirty Bastard kinda character.

firefinga
29-03-2017, 11:24 AM
i like school of rock too.

School Of rock is great and even better: Tenacious D The Pick Of Destiny

firefinga
29-03-2017, 01:27 PM
To turn the question 180 degrees worst music films I can think of "Bodyguard" and "Grease" :poop:

entertainment
29-03-2017, 03:27 PM
To turn the question 180 degrees worst music films I can think of "Bodyguard" and "Grease" :poop:

If series count, then surely Vinyl. I really hated that one.