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Corpsey
11-03-2017, 11:17 PM
Doesn't have to be a thousand FYI, I ain't Malcolm Gladwell. Any genre is acceptable. I was thinking of rap music, when a beat gets made and is either so good or used in such a successful tune that it gives birth to a thousand/million bedroom imitators.

I'm pretty sure this is a good example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bMQTU2iI1E

Examples, please, of this type of choon and also of its imitators, successful and unsuccessful.

BTW, this can extend to styles of singing/rapping as well as instrumentation.

PiLhead
11-03-2017, 11:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8VY5dxq5CU

thousands is no overstatement

Corpsey
11-03-2017, 11:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8VY5dxq5CU

thousands is no overstatement

Yessir!

Care to name/post some imitator tunes that did a good job?

It strikes me even this early that you're gonna get a lot of tunes on this thread where it's not so much the tune as A SOUND that got mimicked. Like to name another obvious one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCUPc9zVfyo

People mimicked this tune but the 303 allowed them to go anywhere they liked from this starting point. Although, as with MENTASM, ACID TRACKS is so fucking good that it might have been the quality of the tune which made the SOUND go over.

Corpsey
11-03-2017, 11:36 PM
On the MENTASM/HOOVER subject: https://techno-dads.com/2011/09/05/dad-noise-the-hoover/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgf2W3dmglo

human resource - dominator (JOEY BELTRAM remix) (1991)

Benny B
12-03-2017, 12:06 AM
Been listening to a lot of bo diddley recently so its a good excuse to post this foundational riddim

http://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLDeFoPmXoQkviC7U_fp1EGT_IPKjflsIq&v=b_qdQhenw0E

Not the very 1st example of that rhythm, but this is the one that got ripped off a million times by elvis, buddy holly, the stones etc and a million 60s garage rock bands. Still the best imo.

That incredible tremelo guitar sound too, i could listen to that one chord all day if bo's playing it.

PiLhead
12-03-2017, 12:42 AM
Dominator is the best Mentasm rip off, so good that it became ripped off itself and possibly even more influential than Mentasm

sadmanbarty
12-03-2017, 11:25 AM
Distortion+Power Chords+Staccato Riff=

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTTsY-oz6Go

Angus Young says the track was an influence on him. AC/DC repeated the formula several times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEPmA3USJdI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo2qQmj0_h4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAgnJDJN4VA

The Kinks copied You Really Got Me with their follow-up single:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOGMRnKl5co

Which was very directly ripped off on a couple of notable occasions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f1z-nHvt3c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UZ0bPaOdbQ

The Doors lost a a law suit and Lydon's also confessed that the riff was indeed borrowed.

Pete Townshend says Can't Explain was an attempt to copy All Day and All of the Night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3h--K5928M

Corpsey
12-03-2017, 11:47 AM
That's interesting - it predated '(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction', which was the tune I somehow assumed gave birth to that whole riff-heavy rock sound. In fact, it looks to me like prior to 1965 the Stones were generally doing blues covers. (Someone will shout me down here I guess.)

An interesting idea for another thread would be 'Tunes that you WISH had been influential'.

Corpsey
12-03-2017, 11:49 AM
Always used to decry imitators but actually I'm quite into the idea of a sound or technique or whatever that is just so effective and appealing to people that they want to hear more of it, or create more of it. Shows you've really hit paydirt when that happens eh?

Benny B
12-03-2017, 12:28 PM
i was thinking of you really got me as well, good example. You could argue that the kingsmens version of louie louie is the real root of this, but the kinks is tighter, faster and punchier. Then later you've got troggs wild thing (covered by hendrix of course) taking it in the other direction by slowing it down sleazing it out.

sadmanbarty
12-03-2017, 12:51 PM
Always used to decry imitators but actually I'm quite into the idea of a sound or technique or whatever that is just so effective and appealing to people that they want to hear more of it, or create more of it. Shows you've really hit paydirt when that happens eh?

Arguably the difference between novelty and innovation is whether people copy it or not.

sadmanbarty
12-03-2017, 12:52 PM
An interesting idea for another thread would be 'Tunes that you WISH had been influential'.

That's a very good idea. On the other end of the spectrum you could have 'Music you love that left a terrible legacy'

Leo
12-03-2017, 02:47 PM
'Music you love that left a terrible legacy'

digital mystikz!

baboon2004
12-03-2017, 03:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjw7m-BKmQ8

obvs. pulse x and acid tracks genre-creating equivalent, i suppose. (no idea if there is an even more foundational tune to digital dancehall in reality - but if you inspire king tubby to do something different, then odds on that you've created something pretty new)

Mr. Tea
12-03-2017, 04:01 PM
That's a very good idea. On the other end of the spectrum you could have 'Music you love that left a terrible legacy'

Sad to say that if Nirvana had never existed, the net impact on the total quality of music in the world would probably be positive, on the basis that Silverchair and Nickleback would presumably never have existed, either. :(

Corpsey
12-03-2017, 04:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjw7m-BKmQ8

obvs. pulse x and acid tracks genre-creating equivalent, i suppose. (no idea if there is an even more foundational tune to digital dancehall in reality - but if you inspire king tubby to do something different, then odds on that you've created something pretty new)

http://www.clashmusic.com/features/under-mi-sleng-teng-the-birth-of-digital-dancehall

'Not the first digital track in JA history – Lee ‘Scratch’ Perry began those experiments in the early 70s – the astonishing success of ‘(Under Mi) Sleng Teng’ marked a line in the sand. The usual coteries of studio musicians were out, and digital technology was in.

It’s perhaps overstepping the mark to suggest that without the ‘Sleng Teng’ riddim digital dancehall wouldn’t exist. The movement was already in its primordial stage, and simply needed a spark, an ignition point – Wayne Smith supplied it, and in doing so lit a trail which extends beyond ragga, beyond jungle and into grime and dubstep.'

baboon2004
13-03-2017, 10:39 PM
interesting, thanks

Certainly can't have been popular among many session musicians in Jamaica. I remember reading all about the backlash at the time, but frustratingly I can't find the link now...

droid
13-03-2017, 11:05 PM
Tempo, is, arguably a more important tune.

baboon2004
13-03-2017, 11:22 PM
Actually I was gonna say that I always liked that one more. All-time classic, endlessly playable.

Corpsey
14-03-2017, 10:57 AM
I thought you were making a sort of philosophical point there, droid.

I can't imagine Sleng Ting ever losing its power to spark a dance.

droid
14-03-2017, 11:25 AM
Just in terms of it being the first really big digital tune.

owengriffiths
15-03-2017, 04:56 PM
DJ Zinc changed a lot in Garage after 138 trek and 'Hold On' came out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvVQ7Og-uAo

It has been said that Jesse's 'On & On' was influential because it was simplistic and encouraged people to make House because it wasn't that great a track and if it could be a hit it wouldn't be too hard to do better. 'Hold On' might not have been simple to produce but it was by no means Zincs best garage bassline. Running on the spot breakbeat eventually became obsolete after the likes of Pulse X and loads of other good tunes from Grime & Dubstep producers, but arguably without Zinc that wouldn't have happened. Ditto So Solid's Dilemma too come to think of it. Masterstepz 'melody' was one that was popular but didn't spawn overt immitators.

entertainment
16-03-2017, 04:58 PM
An obvious one. I'm new here by the way, so hello!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2qI6UDD2uQ

Corpsey
16-03-2017, 07:47 PM
That's another one of those first AND best examples.

IdleRich
17-03-2017, 02:15 AM
Another one based on You Really Got Me


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x2vXZo6Jbk

IdleRich
17-03-2017, 02:27 AM
Think we discussed this before maybe but the following tunes follow a line starting from Immigrant Song (or whatever they nicked that from)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umQqSHYUGcw

IdleRich
17-03-2017, 02:27 AM
Slowed down a bit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGME6jCwqw0

IdleRich
17-03-2017, 02:28 AM
And then sped back up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgjNb-6EOYw

Corpsey
17-03-2017, 09:49 AM
That's interesting, never made the link between AssaultOnPrecict13 and Immigrant Song.

Nirvana's 'Scentless Apprentice' is pretty Immigrant Songy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyxoQIQaogE

IdleRich
17-03-2017, 06:17 PM
That's interesting, never made the link between AssaultOnPrecict13 and Immigrant Song.
I don't think I would have noticed if JC himself hadn't said it... but when it's said it makes perfect sense right? As an aside what's with all this "x says thanks to y for this helpful post" business?

IdleRich
17-03-2017, 06:24 PM
Spekig of I Feel Love - the most blatant rip-off might be this one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJP8gB9cNcQ Though I have bollywood version which is runs it pretty close.

IdleRich
17-03-2017, 06:36 PM
If we allow bollywood there are quite few - do you reckon these guys had possibly heard Rock-It?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCdawqGRwmo

entertainment
17-03-2017, 09:52 PM
The Immigrant Song groove makes me think of this tune from last year, too, but perhaps a bit of a reach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZX7nXaEM2c

firefinga
18-04-2017, 06:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIGXGkzjAoc&spfreload=10

No comment

firefinga
22-04-2017, 12:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm6DO_7px1I&spfreload=10

Resulted in gazillions of imitations, known as "Eurodance" on the continent. Defined the European charts (to be exact, the German charts) well into the late 90s. The recipe: keep it in the 115-130 BPM range, use some vocal samples from 60s/70s soul records (female singers), a mandatory Rap part (funnily enough often done by some black exGI hobby rapper stationed in Germany. I guess it was mainly done to give the whole thing some "street cred"), add somewhat cheesy synth melodies/strings.

Germany's charts were full of that stuff well into the late 1990s when it was being eclipsed by those drawing board boy- (and girl) bands and Puff Daddy style cheese-rap.

firefinga
28-04-2017, 01:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uu3kCEEc98

Dear lovley miss Cher - thanx a bunch for bringing Autotune in the game :poop:

firefinga
28-04-2017, 02:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGh_5lL4z1Q&spfreload=10

Possibly not the first electro track but certainly the one that got the ball going