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Leo
31-07-2017, 03:49 PM
haven't seen this covered in mainstream tech media so it could be rumor/conspiracy theory/fake news but either way, we're probably (eventually) fucked!

Facebook Shuts Down AI System After Bots Create Language Humans Can't Understand


"Days after Tesla CEO Elon Musk said Facebook co-founder Mark Zuckerberg's understanding of artificial intelligence (AI) was limited, the social media company has reportedly shut down one of its AI systems because "things got out of hand." The AI bots created their own language, from scratch and without human input, forcing Facebook to shut down the AI system. The AI bots' step of creating and communicating with the new language defied the provided codes."


http://gadgets.ndtv.com/social-networking/news/facebook-shuts-ai-system-after-bots-create-own-language-1731309

HMGovt
31-07-2017, 06:25 PM
I really want to see a transcript now. If it was at all meaningful it would be something that could be decoded easily enough.

Leo
31-07-2017, 07:37 PM
I really want to see a transcript now. If it was at all meaningful it would be something that could be decoded easily enough.

BALLS!

according to daily dot (https://www.dailydot.com/debug/facebook-ai-invent-language/), here's a passage:

Bob: i can i i everything else . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Alice: balls have zero to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to
Bob: you i everything else . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Alice: balls have a ball to me to me to me to me to me to me to me
Bob: i i can i i i everything else . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Alice: balls have a ball to me to me to me to me to me to me to me
Bob: i . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Alice: balls have zero to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to
Bob: you i i i i i everything else . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Alice: balls have 0 to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to
Bob: you i i i everything else . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Alice: balls have zero to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to

firefinga
01-08-2017, 09:00 AM
Yeah, the AI told zuckerberg that FB is a heap of blue crap and sucks

sufi
01-08-2017, 02:34 PM
apparently a googlebot did the same trick last year https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/22/googles-ai-translation-tool-seems-to-have-invented-its-own-secret-internal-language/

Mr. Tea
01-08-2017, 02:55 PM
I asked a highly-placed source whether this is "really all it's being made out to be", and he said:


Ehhhhhhhhh..... no.

It's a pretty hyped article. The problem with things like "deep" learning neural networks is they get so complicated journalists have no real clue what they're writing about so they select the parts they can buzzfeed-up into a bait-able headline.

While it's certainly possible that these servers "created" a new language to communicate "more efficiently" than in English they would have been doing it within a fairly structured framework of the learning model. They didn't spontaneously develop the sense to perform these tasks on their own. The model would have been something like, here's every word in english and how they fit together in sentences, here is some information, convey this information to a remote zero-knowledge third party as efficiently as possible. This is still a remarkable breakthrough which would have been impossible just a couple of years ago. The lexical map of English in computer-processable form is terabytes in size which must fit into RAM to be effectively processed.

As these new machine learning techniques evolve they do rapidly move out of human understanding. However, that just means that instead of a rigid training model humans have built to put data into the machines can use other machine learning techniques to build their own training models. While these are out of the scope of human understanding in terms of complexity it's not a new emergent information structure that we can't explain. Think of something like all the stars in the galaxy, we know what a star is and mostly what their trajectories and velocities are, but humans are incapable of comprehending this on a galactic scale, a single human could probably calculate or store the information for some hundreds or thousands of stars in a lifetime where as a model built by a computer under the instructions of "learn everything about stars" and provided enough input data could create a much more effective neural network learning model to predict star behaviour than people could. That's "beyond" human understanding, but the core concept is not something that humans don't understand.

If you want to go properly skynet, the next generation of Intel chips are so complex they are being designed by neural networks. Machines are designing the brains of the next machines which contain complex structures beyond human capabilities to design.

Unless there's some seriously under-wraps government projects somewhere to the best of my knowledge we (as in humans) aren't anywhere close to a true AI or even understanding what is required to construct a true AI as that rapidly vanishes off into the what is a soul discussion and isn't very scientific.

These deep learning neural networks are scary for different reasons, for example automatically controlling swarms of drones that have real time facial recognition in them. Combining drone swarms with orders to find or execute lists of people en-masse is within our technical grasp now with the operator only required to press a big red "launch" button and dictating an operational area. Basically we can build manhacks now that are AI-controlled, but not HAL9000.


Which kind of backs up my hunch about this phenomenon; that it's incredible, but is a result of bots taking advantage of an implicit capability built into them by their authors. They may have done something unexpected, but they didn't spontaneously develop the capability to do it.

Leo
01-08-2017, 03:13 PM
thanks, tea...i kind of suspected something like that might be the case, since i haven't seen this story in more mainstream tech media.

FAKE NEWS! SAD! No WH chaos!

vimothy
01-08-2017, 04:42 PM
At the end of the day, DL is just statistics (on fast computers). It's not going to produce (artificial general) intelligence in the sense most people intuitively understand it.

muser
01-08-2017, 05:00 PM
I found this more sinister, the audio version of the deep dream. https://deepmind.com/blog/wavenet-generative-model-raw-audio/ Especially the free generation of speech and music.

I think there's allot of accidental discoveries to be made with this kind of technology. Haven't really read into it but I'm sure the recursive affects of deep dream shows something about what is going on in the visual cortex when you are on psychedelics.

sufi
02-08-2017, 12:20 PM
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