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firefinga
27-08-2017, 05:31 PM
There is this very disturbing trend in the German speaking world of "smartphone gawpers" of late.

Meaning: there is an accident, and people, instead of helping, stand around and in the way, film the accident, the firemen, the paramedics and post this immediatley on their friggin social media channels. There have been cases reported where people were cheering on suicidal persons to jump off buildings in order for them to have "a good movie".

Sometimes it just feels being a misanthrope is just the accurate approach.

You had such cunts in the 90s already (I remember one personally as a teen filming the firemen helping people during a flood in my area using his video cam) but since everyone got a smartphone this has become a widespread unpleasent phenomenon.

baboon2004
28-08-2017, 09:22 PM
Society of the spectacle etc - I saw a similar thing in Croydon recently with an apartment fire. Huge crowd thronged outside with smartphones. I guess people have always enjoyed gawping at an accident/misfortune though, so the phone is just an extension of that.

I generally don't understand the need to take phone video of everything, unless there's something absolutely unrepeatable happening and it will translate well to amateur video - most smartphone captured pieces are abysmal quality and weren't worth the bother.

Leo
28-08-2017, 09:36 PM
from a couple of years back...

Selfies at site of East Village raise online furor over vanity shots near spot where gas explosion left 2 missing, 25 injured

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/selfies-east-village-explosion-raises-online-furor-article-1.2166052

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trilliam
28-08-2017, 11:51 PM
tasty bit of apartment fire footage for the group chat

why not?

trilliam
28-08-2017, 11:59 PM
broke my smart phone at the very end of last year so i had to make do with a brick phone till recently

everything from the commute to work (no music), courtship with women (pre-relations :D), socialising with friends and staying on top of music was effected

bottom line is (shocker) the internet is hella important and without it life as we know it would cease to exist

trilliam
29-08-2017, 12:00 AM
ftr it was credit rating problems and ridiculous smart phone prices that stopped me from copping a S7

i now have a comfy one plus 3:D

CrowleyHead
29-08-2017, 03:14 PM
Are there thinkpieces about how checking the pocketwatch doomed humanity? Stupid thing really, who cares about the time all the time? You don't have anywhere to be.

Leo
29-08-2017, 04:41 PM
i had problems last week with my iPhone camera (wouldn't focus), so took it in to the WTC apple store genius bar. it was still under warranty, so they offered to replace the camera for free. i brought it in at 1:30 pm, they said it would be ready at around 3:00 pm, so i was forced to wander the streets of nyc (financial district) and kill time without a smart phone.

it was a weirdly enjoyable experience, albeit an anxiety ridden one. it feels so odd at this point to be totally disconnected from the world: couldn't listen to music, breaking news didn't matter, emails/texts/calls didn't matter, social fucking media didn't matter, and i had to continually estimate how much time had passed.

one of the best experiences was in determining who, when and how often to ask complete strangers what time it was. i found myself debating who to ask...should i consult a younger or older person? a business man on the sidewalk or a bored security guard in a store? regardless, most of them seemed a bit leery, as if i was attempting to engage them in some sort of scam because who in their right mind doesn't have a smart phone nowadays, right? what a weird fucking few hours in the afternoon.

baboon2004
29-08-2017, 08:27 PM
top tip - withdraw some money and the receipt will tell you the time

I try to leave my phone at home occasionally just to experience that 1998 feeling all over again. It is liberating.

firefinga
29-08-2017, 09:19 PM
it feels so odd at this point to be totally disconnected from the world

Funny I think those constantly staring at their phones are the ones disconnected from the world.

Leo
29-08-2017, 09:34 PM
Funny I think those constantly staring at their phones are the ones disconnected from the world.

i get your point, they are disconnected from the world immediately around them. but surely being unable to communicate with others outside if your immediate surroundings and not having instant access to world news constitutes disconnection too.

firefinga
29-08-2017, 09:35 PM
top tip - withdraw some money and the receipt will tell you the time



Back in the dark ages before cars got tft/lcd dashboards screens you could also have a look at the analog clocks of the traditional dashboards.

Leo
29-08-2017, 10:29 PM
we go on to an annual 4-5 day beach holiday family reunion and often go entire days with the phone left on the bedroom side table, and it's really a great feeling. never need to be anywhere, so you go for a swim when you feel like it, lay on the beach a while, eat when you feel hungry, sleep when you get tired, wake up in the morning when you're no longer tired, etc.

too bad it's impossible to survive that way (aka, earn a living) the other 51 weeks of the year.

DannyL
30-08-2017, 10:36 AM
Posted this in another thread: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/has-the-smartphone-destroyed-a-generation/534198/

I got rid of my smartphone about two years ago, and I thoroughly recommend it. Only thing I miss is having a camera on me, but if I cared that much I'd buy a separate one.

yyaldrin
30-08-2017, 11:21 AM
Posted this in another thread: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/has-the-smartphone-destroyed-a-generation/534198/

I got rid of my smartphone about two years ago, and I thoroughly recommend it. Only thing I miss is having a camera on me, but if I cared that much I'd buy a separate one.

If it wasn't for message services like imessage or whatsapp I'd do it the same thing right away, it's just that I have quite some foreign contacts that I have regular contact with. Texting them over SMS would cost me a lot more. I wish they'd made a really simple telephone that would just allow you to use those services. I don't need anything else really.

DannyL
30-08-2017, 03:32 PM
If it wasn't for message services like imessage or whatsapp I'd do it the same thing right away, it's just that I have quite some foreign contacts that I have regular contact with. Texting them over SMS would cost me a lot more. I wish they'd made a really simple telephone that would just allow you to use those services. I don't need anything else really.

I wouldn't be surprised to see simple phones becoming a trend at some point. There's this for instance: https://www.thelightphone.com/
though don't think its quite taken off.

I was horrified to read an interview with David Cameon's top office wanker, Steve Hilton (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/15/steve-hilton-im-rich-but-i-understand-the-frustrations-people-have) where he was humblebragging about not having a smart phone. Nothing has ever made me want to buy one back more.

Leo
30-08-2017, 03:46 PM
as much as i enjoyed the experience of temporarily not having my iPhone, i think there are lots of practical reasons why they are a good thing. when you're out and don't know the address of a restaurant, you can do a quick search to get the address, find the closest subway stop (and then check to see if there are train delays on that line) or most direct walking route, see the restaurant menu and hours of operation, etc. that's all a good thing, right? the problem is when people get obsessed with them. everything in moderation.

firefinga
30-08-2017, 03:51 PM
as much as i enjoyed the experience of temporarily not having my iPhone, i think there are lots of practical reasons why they are a good thing. when you're out and don't know the address of a restaurant, you can do a quick search to get the address, find the closest subway stop (and then check to see if there are train delays on that line) or most direct walking route, see the restaurant menu and hours of operation, etc. that's all a good thing, right? the problem is when people get obsessed with them. everything in moderation.

Thing is even I have a smartphone. I need a mobile phone jobwise and my network provider gives me one for free so why not take it - and I use fairly a lot of its functions, though moderately - except listening to music or watch videos on it. What I don't get and never will are those people who outsource their damn life to those things (and thus to the companies that run the software on em and the network providers) - or those who let themselves being enslaved by them.

baboon2004
30-08-2017, 04:04 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see simple phones becoming a trend at some point. There's this for instance: https://www.thelightphone.com/
though don't think its quite taken off.


I've often thought that I would go for a minimalist phone with the only apps being maps and camera (and camera is negotiable). Anything else can wait til later.

One insidious thing I notice is how people (obvs including me) use their phone as a crutch when they're alone in a public place - waiting for someone, waiting for a bus, waiting for friend to come back from the bathroom etc etc. I'm trying to train myself away from doing that, but it's not easy....

sufi
30-08-2017, 04:09 PM
as much as i enjoyed the experience of temporarily not having my iPhone, i think there are lots of practical reasons why they are a good thing. when you're out and don't know the address of a restaurant, you can do a quick search to get the address, find the closest subway stop (and then check to see if there are train delays on that line) or most direct walking route, see the restaurant menu and hours of operation, etc. that's all a good thing, right? the problem is when people get obsessed with them. everything in moderation.
My most used apps are the flashlight and the local busstop timetable webpage
If it was a really smart f'ing phone it would also include actually useful functions like a fag lighter and a tv remote control
skymap is the best of all

I don't think these practical applications are what are zombifying the public though - that's social media and the web in yr pocket

my favey thought experiment (when my data allowance is exhausted) is to track my brain signals down my arm when I'm reaching for wikipedia to supplement my own puny flesh brain, or google maps, or the web, to see where the disconnect occurs down the fresh neural tracks that my bonce uses to connect to the internet, the muscle memory has almost got the phone out of my pocket before the i realise that there's no conexion

sufi
30-08-2017, 04:11 PM
I've often thought that I would go for a minimalist phone with the only apps being maps and camera (and camera is negotiable). Anything else can wait til later.
my main beef is android, which seems hard to avoid, though nokia apparently have an OS for their cheap smartphone that may be less intrusive, i wish

HMGovt
30-08-2017, 04:22 PM
Civilisation would stand a chance if the Internet, in its entirety, was powered down every now and then. Sundays or perhaps even as infrequently as Bank Holidays would suffice. Anywhere doing that would have to invest in the resilience of its utilities, retail, emergency services which would pay dividends in the event of cyber warfare and would become peopled with a happier, less mentally-disturbed population in a very short time.

Mark my words: Switzerland will give Internet Offdays a whirl within the next five years.

droid
30-08-2017, 04:25 PM
Civilisation would stand a chance if the Internet, in its entirety, was powered down every now and then. Sundays or perhaps even as infrequently as Bank Holidays would suffice. Anywhere doing that would have to invest in the resilience of its utilities, retail, emergency services which would pay dividends in the event of cyber warfare and would become peopled with a happier, less mentally-disturbed population in a very short time.

Mark my words: Switzerland will give Internet Offdays a whirl within the next five years.

Still banging the 'ban the internet' drum?

luka
30-08-2017, 04:31 PM
i went a couple of weeks without the phone this summer just cos i smashed it and couldnt be bothered going carphone warehouse to replace it. it was fine. didnt seem like a big deal although when i have one i look at it constantly.

having off days is something i keep meaning to implement and never do.

HMGovt
30-08-2017, 04:37 PM
Still banging the 'ban the internet' drum?

Yes. Just a tapping a lone cymbal for now, but soon to become an enormous peal of Luddite thunder.

firefinga
30-08-2017, 04:43 PM
I could certainly live without my mobile. I could not without my swiss pocket-knife.

DannyL
30-08-2017, 10:05 PM
A few (not a lot by any means) of my students gave their phones to their parents when they sat their GCSEs, which I was quite impressed by.

DannyL
30-08-2017, 10:12 PM
Not seeing an email for six hours and the related consequences have just totally pissed my partner off so maybe you guys are onto something.

luka
30-08-2017, 10:19 PM
Not seeing an email for six hours and the related consequences have just totally pissed my partner off so maybe you guys are onto something.

it's just not something you can ignore is it? it's like not wearing deoderant or something.

Mr. Tea
30-08-2017, 10:51 PM
i went a couple of weeks without the phone this summer just cos i smashed it and couldnt be bothered going carphone warehouse to replace it. it was fine. didnt seem like a big deal although when i have one i look at it constantly.

having off days is something i keep meaning to implement and never do.

Same here. When I'm without a smartphone I just end up forcing myself to take a book wherever I go as I get bored easily while waiting for appointments or getting served or whatever. Actually I find it really makes me appreciate the pleasures of reading printed text, and not an ever-updating screen, while having a quiet pint.

Leo
30-08-2017, 11:05 PM
Actually I find it really makes me appreciate the pleasures of reading printed text, and not an ever-updating screen, while having a quiet pint.

i still subscribe to a lot of magazines (don't ask) and find i probably do about half my reading of them when out to lunch on my own or waiting in a pub for friends to arrive (i am habitually early).

HMGovt
11-10-2017, 11:00 PM
"Google, Twitter and Facebook workers who helped make technology so addictive are disconnecting themselves from the internet. Paul Lewis reports on the Silicon Valley refuseniks alarmed by a race for human attention"

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/05/smartphone-addiction-silicon-valley-dystopia?CMP=share_btn_tw

firefinga
12-10-2017, 04:05 PM
"Google, Twitter and Facebook workers who helped make technology so addictive are disconnecting themselves from the internet. Paul Lewis reports on the Silicon Valley refuseniks alarmed by a race for human attention"

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/05/smartphone-addiction-silicon-valley-dystopia?CMP=share_btn_tw

Very interesting !

rubberdingyrapids
18-10-2017, 12:00 PM
Very interesting !

it is. but it is also quite convenient.
they made $$$$ from creating the applications that led to addictions (and dont kid yourself that they innocently had no clue about the apps being addicting).
now they are going to rake it in by telling us how to help cure ourselves of these addictions.
after all, who better an authority than those who made the technology, now with a money making conscience?


as much as i enjoyed the experience of temporarily not having my iPhone, i think there are lots of practical reasons why they are a good thing. when you're out and don't know the address of a restaurant, you can do a quick search to get the address, find the closest subway stop (and then check to see if there are train delays on that line) or most direct walking route, see the restaurant menu and hours of operation, etc. that's all a good thing, right? the problem is when people get obsessed with them. everything in moderation.


nothing wrong with an old fashioned pocket AtoZ.
train delays will always happen whether you are told of them in advance or not.
life is meant to be left up to chance.

Leo
18-10-2017, 03:18 PM
nothing wrong with an old fashioned pocket AtoZ.
train delays will always happen whether you are told of them in advance or not.
life is meant to be left up to chance.

nothing wrong with phone books and encyclopedias either, but i'd prefer not to have to carry them around for reference. ;)

and why wouldn't you want to know that train line A is out before you've paid your fair, when you would still have the opportunity to take train line B as an alternate means?

i get your point but from a practical purposes perspective, there are indisputable benefits to a smartphone. i still love happenstance and stumbling upon things, one does not preclude the other.

sufi
04-11-2017, 12:07 PM
suspiciously social media friendly soundbite from this long article

The population of America farts about 3m times a minute. It likes things on Facebook about 4m times a minute.https://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21730870-economy-based-attention-easily-gamed-once-considered-boon-democracy-social-media
https://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/1200-width/20171104_FBD002.jpg

luka
04-11-2017, 09:44 PM
i gave my phone up in early september.

Corpsey
09-11-2017, 01:17 AM
It's far too addictive, particularly Twitter (and social media in general). Must have spent six or seven hours on it today. Waste of time.

firefinga
10-11-2017, 01:34 PM
Worst smartphone timewaster must be whattsap.

Corpsey
12-11-2017, 01:14 AM
At least Whatsapp you're chatting with your mates.

I need to cut out these apps where I'm just getting annoyed with people I don't even know all day.

firefinga
12-11-2017, 04:01 PM
I guess whatsapp is ok if you have no problems with feeding the monstrosity that is facebook

Mr. Tea
12-11-2017, 08:52 PM
i gave my phone up in early september.

Between this and the booze, I give until March before you're living on moss and rainwater in a hut on a Scottish mountainside.

luka
12-11-2017, 10:07 PM
it's getting that way. i quite like it.