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padraig (u.s.)
08-02-2018, 02:32 AM
edits of 70s Turkish disco/rock, edits of Ahmed Fakroun, Omar Khorshid, etc, Baris K, Mehmet Aslan, Bouzouki Joe, Disco Halal, Habibi Funk, Omar Souleyman, Acid Arab, A-Wa, etc. Local Turkish, Arab (Middle East, North Africa), Persian musics recontextualized into a Westernish dance (disco, house, acid, balearic, whatever) context, sometimes by DJs, sometimes via edit/remix, sometimes via local or foreign musicians hybridizing. not totally new - Factory licensing "N'Sel Fik" (whence "we are ie") in the 80s is only one example - but definitely blossoming in the age of everything gets reissued/is on YT, and unlike some of those rediscovered (by Westerners) scenes, still a going concern with relevant contemporary figures. tbc not only am I not an expert, I don't even have a sense of the big picture like I do with, say, West African music. I just hear bits and pieces I like. I'll start us off with a few with minimal commentary. if there are any folks still around who know what's up, please drop the knowledge. it is definitely something I'm interested in hearing more of. when it's on it's like everything you've ever wanted music to be.

some/all of these may be known to experts or people who pay attention to certain areas of dance music. some of them I've known for awhile, some I only heard recently.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBlyYESAmQU
this is one is pretty famous I think. Turkish Disco Folk. the whole Moog Edits LP is pretty good.

padraig (u.s.)
08-02-2018, 02:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slY8ZQz3JdA
the original trv kvlt Turkish Disco folk/greatest wedding band in the history of the universe

padraig (u.s.)
08-02-2018, 02:33 AM
seriously tho @ my dude shredding behind the back/head guitar solos inna Van Halen stylee. + the costumes. the extended drum solo.

one of those videos that is the reason YT exists

padraig (u.s.)
08-02-2018, 02:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOKM7-QQ75A
none of the modern edits can touch the original

padraig (u.s.)
08-02-2018, 02:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ziC6Wony4s
also pretty famous? totally slots in with DAF and other dark/sexy industrial/EBM/postpunk of the era

padraig (u.s.)
08-02-2018, 02:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ3neyebzAA
the single track that most exemplifies what this thread idea is about I think. if you know about more tunes like this, tell me asap.

padraig (u.s.)
08-02-2018, 02:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3bjZlmsb4A
blew my goddamn mind the first time I heard it. music video also very tight.

padraig (u.s.)
08-02-2018, 02:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgD25k_eANI
the Acid Arab mix is also good, and this live performance is FIRE. could totally fit into an EBM/New Beat context, or Chicago/acid house.

is that crazy sounding instrument an electric oud? maybe a synth playing an oud line? someone less ignorant please tell me. I think hand-claps/shouting on the offbeat thing is a consistent feature of some Arab dance musics? features on the Tanki Tanki edi + I've heard it in some Souleyman tracks. also obv reminiscent of various kinds of American rap.

anyway, another please tell me if you know more tracks like this one

padraig (u.s.)
08-02-2018, 02:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynYnbPldk_A
another track that inspires this thread

padraig (u.s.)
08-02-2018, 02:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ0JSvaXWOA
h/t to thirdform for hipping me to this one. Turkish Cluster/Neu plus Erkin Koray style heavy shreddin guitar. even more shreddin maybe.

padraig (u.s.)
08-02-2018, 02:43 AM
I know I'm lumping a bunch of different things together but you see what I'm talking about

tbc clear that's a personal cream of the crop, I've also heard plenty stuff that's meh to pretty bad. the good stuff is so, so good tho.

probably just be me tossing up random jams as I hear em but maybe this'll draw out a lurking expert or two

padraig (u.s.)
08-02-2018, 02:49 AM
all YT vids ofc welcome but if anyone has anything meaningful to say, that would also be cool. I know a bit of rai, dabke, etc but I'm pretty ignorant in general here.

padraig (u.s.)
09-02-2018, 05:30 AM
alright, just me then (tho I see u, sufi - drop some jams!), no worries. can't all just be luka thread archaeology, as entertaining as that frequently is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMqSLhxnocU
more funky kosmiche Egyptian disco, by high-level percussion master. this + next one remind of Ras Michael + the Sons of Negus, for whatever reason.

padraig (u.s.)
09-02-2018, 05:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJzgZ0P5taQ
full-on tripped the fuck out intense percussion/whooshing electronics jam. I wish I could play this record for Walter Gibbons.

padraig (u.s.)
09-02-2018, 05:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbnBlWuWC6E
p cool mix, includes a couple of the people I've posted, as well as Ihasan al Munzer. if anyone knows the jam @16:53, holler.

+ that's all I have for the moment. there's also a buncha cool Turkey, Iran (prob Arab too but idk) fuzzy guitars, but that's a different thread.

back with more tunes as I hear em.

sufi
09-02-2018, 08:24 AM
the single track that most exemplifies what this thread idea is about I think. if you know about more tunes like this, tell me asap.i have searched and it seems to be unique

sufi
09-02-2018, 08:25 AM
I see u, sufi i see you Padraig and raise you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0iQBdL0gSQ
i probably posted this before - starts getting great when adawia stops shouting "white honey, yr so sweet" 3 minutes in
this guy was king of egyptian sha'abi in the 80's
tbh i'm a bit out of touch, very much looking fwd to going thru these, thanks!!!

sufi
09-02-2018, 08:31 AM
context:
http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=5957&highlight=shaaban &
http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=4259&highlight=shaaban
i made an mp3 mixtape ages ago ... i'll see if i can dig up or re-do it on youtube

luka
09-02-2018, 08:44 AM
i compiled a stelfox asks about ethnic things compilation once lol



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Default tell me everything you know about music in cairo...

i'm going to cairo in july and am looking for places to go and check out good music, i'd like to check out some serious classical stuff but would also be very into going somewhere where people dance to plasticky super-poppy shaabi - the kind if stuff hesham abbas and all those dudes do. I'd like to know about places to buy music, names to look out for and all sorts of stuff. basically i want edumacating a bit before i go there. also if anyone has info on places to eat, that would be very cool too.

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i've been listening to quite a bit of stuff that falls within this very loose category of late. i say very loose because i know there are all sorts of different styles practised withing the middle east, but mainly i've been checking for quite a bit of shaabi (hesham abbass, hakim, and on a more traditional tip, nas al ghiwanne - great live outfit, incidentally if you get the chance to see them) and rai (have been LOVING yah rayi, the latest album by khaled.

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posted the-above-linked video on the sterns thread, but i want to know what kind of music these guys are playing, where i can buy it and who are the best names to look out for.
i don't even know for sure that it's turkish, but think it might be, given the area this was happening and the general musical style.
filmed this 2 weeks ago on west green road, near my new yard. was very cool to see and, for old dudes, they can really dance.

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i'm still down with the arcola street mangal ocakbasi - you won't find better than there.
and yes, would you all please quit with the restaurant talk untill my question has been answered!!!
(if nothing else i am seriously hungry at the moment and this is not helping.)

question answered on the other thread, as you were... any other good places to eat?
my stipulation is that they must do good lambchops and kofte.



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okay, so i've been a bit quiet lately but i'm loving vybz kartel's faggot correction on the steps rhythm and pretty much everything on the indian summer right now. anyone else got any hot tips?

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now, i know my muddy waters from my bb king, my howlin' wolf from my john lee hooker, but i'm sure i could go a lot deeper with this stuff. i want to try to track down some really filthy, raw mississipi delta blues over the next few weeks but know very little about where to start - anyone care to to drop some science?

Anyone here know about indian music?
I've been listening to lost of Panjabi Hit Squad, RDB DJs, Tigerstyle stuff lately and someone's asked me to write about it. Stuff that's going on now I can handle really well as I can see how it works and comes together in terms of contemporary British street culture - eg the convergence of bhangra and 2step garage/R&B/hip-hop etc. However, being white English I have realised that I have several HUGE knowledge gaps that need plugging... can anyone recommend any good stuff to read on more trad forms of bhangra and Indian music as a whole? (Concise and to the point with a good geographical, sociological and cultural bent that would be fab.) Also if anyone can explain a few key terms to me I'd be forever indebted - like what exactly is "desi"?

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klezmer - what's good, what's not; what's funny, what's serious?
i've been downloading a lot of klezmer lately. i really like it but know comparatively little about it. i'm sure there are other threads about this but i'd like some tips. i'm quite into the idea of getting to know about the "authentic" side before i start delving into the more modern "comedy" stuff (have noticed tracks like "may the borscht be with you" etc), so com on, help me out... album names so i can buy some, good *old* recordings especially welcome, groups i should look out for, all that stuff... thanks

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Tell me stuff about highlife music
I like it a lot, but only normally get to hear it in late-night Ghanaian cabs or occasionally walking thru East London. I'd like to learn more, so artists to look out for, albums to get hold of gratefully received.

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luka
09-02-2018, 08:46 AM
ah, bless him lool

padraig (u.s.)
09-02-2018, 09:51 AM
i see you Padraig and raise you

seen, knew you'd throw down serious gear. like the way it heads off into clatter echo percussion space, v much my kinda thing (check that Khamis Henkish tune).

I'll skim those shaabi threads, def into checking mix or playlist or whatever if you find it.

kinda surprising how even today language is comparatively still such a barrier to anything with an other than Latin alphabet.

padraig (u.s.)
09-02-2018, 09:57 AM
also I know that video above is amazing in the same way as the famous Russian wedding rap video, but I really can't legitimately recommend Derdiyoklar İkilisi highly enough


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIjqclYqQaU
that is an hour of cosmic, flanged-out electro-saz disco folk. "disco folk" sounds dubious but then you hear + you're like ya that both makes sense + is awesome.

they were expatriates in Germany in the 70s and I have to think they picked up on some krautrock bits as well disco and obv Anatolian music.

can you imagine them playing your wedding tho

padraig (u.s.)
09-02-2018, 10:00 AM
i compiled a stelfox asks about ethnic things compilation once

woah that's pretty cool as well. even if I am kinda like how can any one person really be into that many things. I'm a generalist mostly but you gotta prioritize.

the klezmer is what really puts it over the top.

muser
09-02-2018, 11:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtcG0q1hxVM

sufi
09-02-2018, 05:46 PM
kinda surprising how even today language is comparatively still such a barrier to anything with an other than Latin alphabet.that is correct - this is the sort of thing you're missing out on http://www.sama3y.net/forum/ glad to see it's still going
online translators are getting better and better tho,

sufi
09-02-2018, 09:06 PM
i have searched and it seems to be unique
altho baris is playing in berlin tomoro apparently

luka
10-02-2018, 10:47 AM
there's a cast iron law of nature that means serious record collectors always end at kitsch. a result of the same-but-different quest and the inevitable diminishing returns.

padraig (u.s.)
10-02-2018, 11:49 AM
there's a cast iron law of nature that means serious record collectors always end at kitsch

this is one of my all-time favorite luka aphorisms, altho also it is just an alternate way of saying Record Collectors Are Pretentious Assholes.

luka
10-02-2018, 11:51 AM
thanks padraig. it's been a very aphoristic morning. done loads today and it's only lunchtime!

padraig (u.s.)
10-02-2018, 11:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtcG0q1hxVM

that is pretty tite but tbh I can't get over all the novelty trilling etc in the background

reminds me of hitchhiking around Mexico w/an Aussie + literally everyone who picked us up would start asking her about kangaroos

padraig (u.s.)
10-02-2018, 11:53 AM
thanks padraig. it's been a very aphoristic morning. done loads today and it's only lunchtime!

ya I can see

eff a blog, you should write a book of your collected one-liners. in 1000 years it'll be rediscovered by a tribe of feral post-apocalyptic children + become their most holy sacred text.

luka
10-02-2018, 11:58 AM
yeah thats what ive started to think. instead of feeling i should learn to write paragraphs.

padraig (u.s.)
10-02-2018, 12:01 PM
he who speaks least speaks best

look at the Spartans. greatest one-liners in all of history.

padraig (u.s.)
10-02-2018, 12:10 PM
online translators are getting better and better tho

that's true but I think 2 things

1) google, YT, etc are still largely separated by alphabet. language too, but script specifically + more so. you can translate any page you can find to a reasonable approximation, but you have to be able to find them first. also, it's way harder to curate what you find. some of the deepest, weirdest YT holes I've found have been all Cyrillic script.

2) there's a big knowledge gap from the pre-online translators era, though that is maybe changing as more labels are doing reissues or specifically devoted (Pharaway Sounds, Habibi Funk, etc) to this kinda thing.

anyway, thx again for the recs.

luka
10-02-2018, 12:20 PM
always been fascinated for sufis deep affinity with this part of the world. old fashioned level of identification and absorption. i cant leave london without being driven into paroxysms of hate and frustration let alone go abroad. travel is not for me.

luka
10-02-2018, 12:52 PM
often toy with th idea of starting a thread about exoticism and othering and fetishisation and how i think it's great. the start of every deep love affair is projection onto the unknown.

padraig (u.s.)
13-02-2018, 03:16 PM
ATTENTION SUFI

I'm pretty sure you + I share an obsession with that unique Baris K track

just wanted to let you know I discovered where he got those distinctive opening drums from. interesting source too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDZPeTh3218
listen to the first 10 seconds or so of that, then listen to the beginning of the Baris K track

idk I was excited when I made the connection. now we just gotta find the rest + figure out how he put everything together.

sufi
13-02-2018, 07:28 PM
This video is not available.
bah!

sufi
13-02-2018, 07:29 PM
often toy with th idea of starting a thread about exoticism and othering and fetishisation and how i think it's great. the start of every deep love affair is projection onto the unknown.do it

sufi
13-02-2018, 07:31 PM
always been fascinated for sufi's deep affinity with this part of the world. old fashioned level of identification and absorption. i cant leave london without being driven into paroxysms of hate and frustration let alone go abroad. travel is not for me.not sure what to say, apart from i'm deeply appreciative :love::love::love: i'll be the last person to work that shit out

sufi
15-02-2018, 10:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIBbgzdJoDU

sufi
15-02-2018, 11:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIBbgzdJoDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpkOFclAsY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjPr_EVC_VQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaPEEEg79ik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-7c34Ot9PQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWk08UHZhKY
:love::love::love:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEk43wyC__k :love::love::love:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCVc1as-X6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYApwuh4uDU

padraig (u.s.)
02-03-2018, 01:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d6YQCW-W8g
cool J.P. Massiera-helmed uncredited reworking of "In Zaire"

padraig (u.s.)
02-03-2018, 01:03 AM
not really trying to post outright Orientalism in this thread, but in true Massiera fashion, that hovers right on the edge

the bass player is Algerian or French-Algerian I think, maybe the singers too?

either way the music is pretty great, typical mid-80s Massiera wot do u call it boogie/italo/electro, in this case filtered a cosmic kinda dubbed out vibe