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sadmanbarty
05-03-2018, 01:48 PM
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Favourite genre?

Most listened to genre?

Favourite artist?

Most listened to artist?

Most potently nostalgic music for you?

Favourite music memory?

Music you associate with your childhood?

Music you associate with your mid-late teens?

Musical opinion most likely to piss off dissensians?

When was music last great?

First time your jaw dropped listening to music?

Last time your jaw dropped listening to music?

Music you associate with your children?

Music you associate with your parents?

Music you associate with your partner?

When did you first realise you were into music more than others?

How did you get into the nuum/dancehall/rap side of things?

Favourite live music experience?

What music would you like people to associate with you?

What have you been listening to recently?

What music have you gone off after loving at some point?

How avant guard can you go and still enjoy it sober?

Best drug-music combination?

What year does music start to be good?

Most embarrassing musical tastes of your younger self?

Music that everyone’s wrong about?

Best soundtrack?
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Name a few favourite albums of yours?

Name a few of your favourite pop songs?

Music that makes you nostalgic for a time you were never a part of?

luka
05-03-2018, 02:05 PM
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Favourite genre?
london
Most listened to genre?
london
Favourite artist?
?impossible?
Most listened to artist?
?impossible?
Most potently nostalgic music for you?
early 90s hardcore
Favourite music memory?
got loads. too many to mention.
Music you associate with your childhood?
sam cooke, astral weeks, bob dylan, fats domino, paul simons graceland
Music you associate with your mid-late teens?
jungle, mid 90s hip-hop, 2-step
Musical opinion most likely to piss off dissensians?
the doors were good band.
When was music last great?
2011
First time your jaw dropped listening to music?
in terms of something falling into place that was previously obscure probaly a love supreme as an adolescent
Last time your jaw dropped listening to music?
using the same criteria probably topography of the lungs on acid last year
Music you associate with your children?
n/a
Music you associate with your parents?
sam cooke, paul simon, van morrison etc as above
Music you associate with your partner?
can, neu, the fall, popol vuh
When did you first realise you were into music more than others?
not sure when peoples interest typically starts to fade, but then.
How did you get into the nuum/dancehall/rap side of things?
it was in the air. everywhere. the underground is mainstream in london.
Favourite live music experience?
i never go to gigs so probably art ensemble on acid last year.
What music would you like people to associate with you?
london.
What have you been listening to recently?
young spray lol
What music have you gone off after loving at some point?
nothing.
How avant guard can you go and still enjoy it sober?
as far as it goes.
Best drug-music combination?
there's loads of classic combos. weed-dub. weed-hip-hop. acid-electric miles. mdma-hardcore. acid-free improv. dmt-drone. lager-oasis. jamesons-young spray. etc.
What year does music start to be good?
year zero.
Most embarrassing musical tastes of your younger self?
none.
Music that everyone’s wrong about?
none.
Best soundtrack?
juice.

mistersloane
05-03-2018, 03:23 PM
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Favourite genre? Metal

Most listened to genre? Fuckin metal

Favourite artist? Metal

Most listened to artist? METAL

Most potently nostalgic music for you? Ah, metal

Favourite music memory? Metallic

Music you associate with your childhood? METAL

Music you associate with your mid-late teens? METALLLL!!

Musical opinion most likely to piss off dissensians? Metal

When was music last great? NWOBM

First time your jaw dropped listening to music? NWOBM

Last time your jaw dropped listening to music? Ahab

Music you associate with your children? S Club 7

Music you associate with your parents? METAL

Music you associate with your partner? Jazz

When did you first realise you were into music more than others? When I realised I was METAL

How did you get into the nuum/dancehall/rap side of things? Through metal

Favourite live music experience? Any metal

What music would you like people to associate with you? METAL

What have you been listening to recently? METAL

What music have you gone off after loving at some point? None

How avant guard can you go and still enjoy it sober? METAL

Best drug-music combination? METAL

What year does music start to be good? What

Most embarrassing musical tastes of your younger self? None

Music that everyone’s wrong about? METAL

Best soundtrack? HEAVY METAL
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Name a few favourite albums of yours? METAL METAL METAL

Name a few of your favourite pop songs? METAL METAL

Music that makes you nostalgic for a time you were never a part of? METAL



Favourite genre? Metal

Most listened to genre? Fuckin metal

Favourite artist? Metal

Most listened to artist? METAL

Most potently nostalgic music for you? Ah, metal

Favourite music memory? Metallic

Music you associate with your childhood? METAL

Music you associate with your mid-late teens? METALLLL!!

Musical opinion most likely to piss off dissensians? Metal

When was music last great? NWOBM

First time your jaw dropped listening to music? NWOBM

Last time your jaw dropped listening to music? Ahab

Music you associate with your children? S Club 7

Music you associate with your parents? METAL

Music you associate with your partner? Jazz

When did you first realise you were into music more than others? When I realised I was METAL

How did you get into the nuum/dancehall/rap side of things? Through metal

Favourite live music experience? Any metal

What music would you like people to associate with you? METAL

What have you been listening to recently? METAL

What music have you gone off after loving at some point? None

How avant guard can you go and still enjoy it sober? METAL

Best drug-music combination? METAL

What year does music start to be good? What

Most embarrassing musical tastes of your younger self? None

Music that everyone’s wrong about? METAL

Best soundtrack? HEAVY METAL
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Name a few favourite albums of yours? METAL METAL METAL

Name a few of your favourite pop songs? METAL METAL

Music that makes you nostalgic for a time you were never a part of? METAL

luka
05-03-2018, 03:26 PM
504

luka
05-03-2018, 04:42 PM
i have to invent this genre called london becasue otherwise a genre with a three year history (hardcore/jungle/2-step/grime) has to compete against a genre with, for example, a near 40 year history (hip-hop)

sadmanbarty
05-03-2018, 04:54 PM
Versions has yet to reveal himself

We wait and watch

i made this thread in response to this, so i'm glad that you've done it even if the dope smoking dads pretend they're too cool to answer.

Leo
05-03-2018, 05:22 PM
it's better to leave' em guessing.

sadmanbarty
05-03-2018, 05:43 PM
Favourite genre?

jungle

Most listened to genre?

dancehall maybe

Favourite artist?

miles

Most listened to artist?

kartel, miles

Most potently nostalgic music for you?

sweet like chocolate and dem 2- destiny for being very little. mobb deep- trife life for being 16 or 17

Favourite music memory?

i'd have to have a think about that

Music you associate with your childhood?

spice girls, s club. listening to abba gold on trips to wales

Music you associate with your mid-late teens?

the marcus nasty cd on this

505

Musical opinion most likely to piss off dissensians?

the blade runner contingent get annoyed about dillinja

When was music last great?

roughly october 2017. whenever i was last enthused about uk drill

First time your jaw dropped listening to music?

i'd have to think about it

Last time your jaw dropped listening to music?

again, have to come back to this one

Music you associate with your parents?

dad; incredible string band, shania twain- man i feel like a woman

mum; dancing queen, black uhuru- guess who's coming to dinner, shakira- wherever whenever
Music you associate with your partner?

you all know what luka likes

When did you first realise you were into music more than others?

started playing drums when i was 10.

How did you get into the nuum/dancehall/rap side of things?

jamaican's lived upstairs when i was little, so grew up around dancehall. garage was in the charts too. i was one of the few middle class white kids at secondary school so my tastes were formed by osmosis. i started clubbing when funky was big.

Favourite live music experience?

i had a great couple of early clubbing experiences where it felt like the stargate bit in 2001

What music would you like people to associate with you?

my race and class dictates i'll be embarrassed whatever answer i give. i'll either come across as pandering or out of touch

What have you been listening to recently?

rediscovering 90's rap after having not listened for a few years. same with rnb from about 1999-2004

What music have you gone off after loving at some point?

terrible internet rap as is well documented on this forum

How avant guard can you go and still enjoy it sober?

coltrane before ascension

Best drug-music combination?

booze is underrated for that kind of thing.

What year does music start to be good?

there's a bit of rock n roll that's fun, but really jazz gets going around 1962 and all the other good stuff comes after.

Most embarrassing musical tastes of your younger self?

terrible internet rap as is well documented on this forum

i love the who too

Music that everyone’s wrong about?

calafornication and by the way are great

Best soundtrack?

saturday night fever
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Name a few favourite albums of yours?

pon di gaza 2.0, dark magus, wee tam, roast at the astoria volume 8

Name a few of your favourite pop songs?

kelly rowland- dillemma

atomic kitten- eternal flame

all saints-pure shores

Music that makes you nostalgic for a time you were never a part of?

hardcore

martin
05-03-2018, 08:43 PM
What music have you gone off after loving at some point?


The Bug. Don't ask why - aside from 'Gun Disease', which is genuinely brilliant, his stuff just gets on my nerves now. Can't listen to 'Angry' without thinking of 'Macarena'.

Also anything involving Nick Cave.


When did you first realise you were into music more than others?

TBF, I remember almost everyone at school being into music. The only kids who weren't were the weirdo types who stank of TCP and probably used to spend their weekends tormenting frogs with scalpels. This was pre-internet access though. There did seem to be a notable split, around 16/17, between dedicating your money and time to music or football.

sufi
05-03-2018, 09:26 PM
Most potently nostalgic music for you?

I was resisting to re-listen to Joni Mitchell for years as she is all about nostalgia and it seemed like it would be a nostalgia sandwich back to living in ymca as a teen, but actually i did hejira this weekend and it was lovely, not too tugging on the old heartstrings, and i knew all the words What music have you gone off after loving at some point?

I still have a fair bit of indie in quarantineMusic that makes you nostalgic for a time you were never a part of?

TropicaliaMusic you associate with your childhood?

Queen, Sex Pistols, Frankie Music you associate with your parents?

Just an Illusion - Imagination, Elton, Abba, Jennifer Rush, Whitney When did you first realise you were into music more than others?

Indie Best soundtrack?

Risky Business Best drug-music combination?

e/italoAnswer to all the rest is
Aba Shanti-I, Ahmad Adawia or Indie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HZ7-Kj9Szc

sufi
05-03-2018, 09:34 PM
that's undissensus-ish
it absolutely boggles my brain that tracey primitive back in 1986 was nearer to janis joplin than to now :eek: this thread is very anti-pot smoking papas,

sadmanbarty
05-03-2018, 11:12 PM
this thread is very anti-pot smoking papas,

an homage to k punk's last post. they're actually my favourite kind of people.

padraig (u.s.)
06-03-2018, 12:28 AM
managed to put the dad bong down long enough to answer

Favourite genre?
currently, disco, disco not disco, post-disco ca.1975-1985ish, expansively defined. all time, disco or jungle I guess. maybe 80s Finnish hardcore.
Most listened to genre?
all time, gotta be d-beat/crust/related hardcore. hardly listened to anything else from 15ish-early 20s.
Favourite artist?
Velvet Underground, Henry Flynt, Larry Levan, Spacemen 3, Galaxie 500
Most listened to artist?
no idea
Most potently nostalgic music for you?
all the punk stuff I guess, formative years
Favourite music memory?
idk
Music you associate with your childhood?
mid-late 90s Q101 playlists. Green Day, Soundgarden, RATM, NIN, early post-grunge, etc.
Music you associate with your mid-late teens?
Minor Threat, Operation Ivy, a bit later on Crass etc, d-beat, Amebix, Norwegian black metal
Musical opinion most likely to piss off dissensians?
apparently, that The Doors are terrible. also post-1992 Aphex Twin is boring + overrated.
When was music last great?
there are always great thing and terrible things happening in music
First time your jaw dropped listening to music?
no idea
Last time your jaw dropped listening to music?
this probably

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-oVcpz-Q8g
Music you associate with your children?
don't have any
Music you associate with your parents?
they must've at some point but I don't have a single memory of them listening to music around the house
Music you associate with your partner?
Jay Reatard, The Oblivians, + etc Memphis garage rock
When did you first realise you were into music more than others?
what others?
How did you get into the nuum side of things?
grime

also hearing a friend's older brother playing Messiah - Thunderdome when I was very little, and wondering what the hell it was for the next 20-some years.
Favourite live music experience?
every diy punk show I've ever been to in Mexico City

A basically private DJ set from Paul Johnson at some restaurant in Wicker Park 7 or 8 years ago. He just played whatever the fuck he wanted for hours to me + like 2 other people.
What music would you like people to associate with you?
don't care
What have you been listening to recently?
disco, post-disco, various African music, vintage electro + freestyle, vintage punk, techno, 70s hard rock, bits of jungle, etc
What music have you gone off after loving at some point?
idk, nothing that I really loved. Amebix + that I guess.
How avant guard can you go and still enjoy it sober?
as avant as it gets
Best drug-music combination?
acid. failing that, other psychedelics. failing that, weed. e for dancing, obv.
Worst drug-music combination?
cocaine. dumbest worst most yuppie drug ever. next worst, alcohol.
What year does music start to be good?
whenever drugs start seriously influencing popular culture
Most embarrassing musical tastes of your younger self?
I don't believe in embarrassing tastes, but probably 311 or some terrible mid-90s junior high thing like that. the first Dead Prez LP, token acceptable rap for early 00s punks.
Music that everyone’s wrong about?
Yoko Ono is fucking awesome + 1 million times cooler than every Beatle combined
Best soundtrack?
idk. version is kinda right that Blade Runner is a bit overrated. Akira maybe? I saw it on acid, at a packed midnight showing, and the drums/chanting were INTENSE.
Best hypothetical soundtrack?
Jodorowksy's Dune, done by Magma. that would've been fucking cool.
Name a few favourite albums of yours?
Velvet Underground + Nico, Tago Mago, You Are My Everlovin', Killing Joke S/T, Why, Operation Ivy S/T, Psychocandy, The Perfect Prescription, Dreamweapon, On Fire
Name a few of your favourite pop songs?
Beyond the Sea, Bonnie + Clyde, The Sandpipers version of Louie Louie, N-Joi - Anthem, Sunshine On Leith, Steal My Sunshine
Music that makes you nostalgic for a time you were never a part of?
the Icelandic sagas, Tuvan throat singing

luka
06-03-2018, 12:33 AM
Worst drug-music combination?
cocaine

i was thinking as i did the dishes this evening that i have no cocaine + music memories whatsoever.
presumably cos so self-involved i barely notice it's playing.

version
06-03-2018, 01:29 AM
Can't listen to 'Angry' without thinking of 'Macarena'.

I'll never unhear this.

CORP$EY
06-03-2018, 10:40 AM
coke doesn't make music better but i must have listened to a lot of it due to it being fantastic for prolonging drinking sessions

on the creative side of things, coke has probably played a big behind the scenes role in determining the decline of various musical artists and genres

how many DJs have gone shit because of coke addictions, e.g.? coke is the perfect drug for a DJ cos it keeps you going when you're tired and it makes you comfortable with talking shit to complete strangers

also you have the disposable cash to buy it and you can use it to entice women/men back to your hotel room

IN THEORY

CORP$EY
06-03-2018, 11:05 AM
Favourite genre?

For quiet listening: Classical
For loud listening: Hip-Hop
For dancing: UK/US Garage

Most potently nostalgic music for you?

I think I brought up this concept of 'nostalgia for naivety' in a post about the Neptunes. The Neptunes make me feel it, as do certain schmaltzy Disney movie songs - and both are sources of genuine nostalgia for me, as Disney movies soundtracked my childhood and the Neptunes my late adolescence. I think nostalgia and naivety are somehow connected - because nostalgia is often (if not always) based on the feeling that things were better in the past than they actually were. Nostalgia is a sentimental emotion, an indulgent emotion. And at bottom I am a deeply sentimental person - warding off the sentimentality with irony and faux-nihilism.

This same 'nostalgia for naivety' thing is what I feel listening to rave music from the early 90s - that optimism about the future, which now seems somehow melancholy, because we live in the future and the future is in many ways awful.

I find optimism deeply touching, particularly if harmonically its leavened by a melancholy sense, as if with the anticipation of loss. So for example I find some of Michael Jackson's songs ('Rock with You', say) very emotionally affecting because they are sad songs about happiness. I guess that's the blues/jazz harmonies... But also can be found in a lot of classical music, such as Chopin, who I was totally obsessed with for years and years and listened to to the exclusion of almost every other composer. Beautiful, sad music. WISTFUL EVEN.

All of which is to say that, given the right harmonies, a piece of music can make me feel nostalgic AS I'M HEARING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME.

CORP$EY
06-03-2018, 11:07 AM
Favourite genre?

all saints-pure shores



This song actually makes me nostalgic for reals because I was the cliched western 'backpacker' in thailand for a month or so when I was 19 and the world was all before me

sadmanbarty
06-03-2018, 11:10 AM
wistfulness and jazz harmony. i think i'm in love

sadmanbarty
06-03-2018, 11:11 AM
This song actually makes me nostalgic for reals because I was the cliched western 'backpacker' in thailand for a month or so when I was 19 and the world was all before me

how sure are you it's still not?

sufi
06-03-2018, 11:34 AM
This song actually makes me nostalgic for reals because I was the cliched western 'backpacker' in thailand for a month or so when I was 19 and the world was all before me
but but but that's the tune off the cliched western back packer in thailand movie isn't it? are you sure that you yourself are for reals, leonardo?

CORP$EY
06-03-2018, 12:32 PM
i should have explained, 'the beach' was playing in a cafe on phi phi one time i was in there eating noodles

john eden
06-03-2018, 01:35 PM
Favourite genre?

Reggae

Most listened to genre?

Reggae

Favourite artist?

No

Most listened to artist?

Couldn't say.

Most potently nostalgic music for you?

Anything I had on tape in the mid 80s. John Peel stuff, goth stuff, indie stuff.

Favourite music memory?
GX Jupitter-Larsen destroying a tractor tyre with an angle grinder.
Snow falling outside Cafe OTO whilst Elodie and Jessica Kenney/Eyvind Kang played.
Iration Steppas vs Abashanti in a cold warehouse with yer trousers flapping and rib cage thumping.
Seeing some anarchopunk bands playing a church hall as a teenager and being in awe of all the fully hatched weirdos.

Music you associate with your childhood?
Muppet Show LPs
Star Wars theme.
Hanna and Barbera Jazz.

Music you associate with your mid-late teens?

Synthpop, goth, industrial.


Musical opinion most likely to piss off dissensians?

Techstep, breakcore and gabba are good.

That music is just music and probably not worth getting that het up about.

When was music last great?
Last night

First time your jaw dropped listening to music?

The biggest one was Psychic TV's "Dreams Less Sweet" LP on headphones, under the covers, in the dark. Aged 16/17.

Last time your jaw dropped listening to music?
Pat Thomas and Steve Noble at Cafe OTO, 15th Feb.

Music you associate with your children?
Wu-Tang, Girls Aloud, stuff on cheesy Now compilations, bits of grime and afrobeat. Kehlani.

Music you associate with your parents?
Both: Sgt Peppers, hymns.

Mum: Alan Price, chart reggae and disco.
Dad: Classical, Duane Eddy, Tubular Bells

Music you associate with your partner?
Big Beat, Jungle, Reggae, Johnny Cash. Things being turned down, lol.

When did you first realise you were into music more than others?
Secondary school - like Martin said it was football or music really.

How did you get into the nuum/dancehall/rap side of things?
I heard Tony Blackburn play "The Message" on the radio circa 1980 and loved that, so always kept any eye on hip hop throughout the 80s but was never fully into it.
Acid House through Psychic TV etc stuff in 1988 but didn't have a car or many mates who liked that stuff so was a bit of a bystander. Kept an eye on techno and jungle and the like. Always liked the stuff with breakbeats in.
Reggae just chugged along a bit really with things like Smiley Culture and dub tapes. I basically missed ragga until the big tunes like "Who Am I" and "Heads High" came out in 1997. Then went mad for it all.

Favourite live music experience?
These days a really good gig in a small venue near where I live with good beer.

What music would you like people to associate with you?
Just cool stuff that they haven't heard of, obviously. They actually think "weird stuff which is probably shit" though.

What have you been listening to recently?
The Fall and Black Flag back catalogues in chronological order. Steve Reich. A load of reggae from Woebot. Bokeh Versions gear.

What music have you gone off after loving at some point?
Industrial as documented in the "music for wrong 'uns" thread.

How avant guard can you go and still enjoy it sober?
I did not enjoy a particularly punishing set by Seymour Wright last year, to my surprise. He hurt my ears with a brass instrument and I was still angry about it when I saw him propping up the bar at Cafe OTO last week. Other than that, a fair distance.

Best drug-music combination?
Dub + Weed, I mean come on.

What year does music start to be good?
1742

Most embarrassing musical tastes of your younger self?
Marillion? Howard Jones? It's only embarrassing if you are still hung up on being the coolest kid in the class though. (I wasn't and am not).

Music that everyone’s wrong about?
Everyone is a lot of people.

luka
06-03-2018, 01:40 PM
fully hatched weirdos

love this phrase/concept.

padraig (u.s.)
07-03-2018, 09:41 PM
Black Flag
save yourself some trouble + skip everything after My War

actually you can skip Damaged too, it's just an inferior version of The First Four Years

btw I'm sure the reality didn't nearly match the legend but I really would've loved to have seen some of those anarchopunk bands play live

extremely familiar with those kindsa fully hatched weirdos too

john eden
07-03-2018, 09:51 PM
save yourself some trouble + skip everything after My War

actually you can skip Damaged too, it's just an inferior version of The First Four Years

btw I'm sure the reality didn't nearly match the legend but I really would've loved to have seen some of those anarchopunk bands play live

extremely familiar with those kindsa fully hatched weirdos too

Yeah I agree with you about Black Flag. I like that Wasted Again comp but the later albums are quite bad.

On the other hand, i’m up to 1995 with The Fall and there is only one terrible album.

The anarchopunk bands I saw were mainly local ones and not big names but the intensity was still great. Still inspiring that there was a group of young people doing all that (and flyposting, Street stalls, fanzines, squatting, graffiti etc) in the town where I grew up.

version
07-03-2018, 09:54 PM
On the other hand, i’m up to 1995 with The Fall and there is only one terrible album.




Which one?

john eden
07-03-2018, 10:06 PM
Which one?

Shift-Work (1991). IMHO, like. Maybe hardcore Fall fans unanimously rate it.

martin
07-03-2018, 10:18 PM
save yourself some trouble + skip everything after My War

actually you can skip Damaged too, it's just an inferior version of The First Four Years

Funnily enough, I've always found Black Flag and Bad Brains well disappointing, especially for such revered acts with such fanatical followers. 'Police Story', 'Nervous Breakdown' and 'Pay To Cum' are all great, but never been able to make it through much else without getting bored and wanting to hear the Misfits or Angry Samoans instead.

Also disappointing that Henry "Pain is God" Rollins didn't really break that mirror on the cover and squirted some ketchup on his knuckles for the shoot. Even Sid was more 'ardkore.

padraig (u.s.)
07-03-2018, 10:21 PM
the later albums are quite bad
unfortunately that's the case with SST in general. actually it's the case with U.S. hardcore in general, at least until the 2nd wave kicks in ca. 1988ish.

(if you're interested btw I'm happy to make some U.S. hxc recs, for better or worse I have pretty much encyclopedic canonical knowledge on that front)

version
07-03-2018, 10:25 PM
Funnily enough, I've always found Black Flag and Bad Brains well disappointing, especially for such revered acts with such fanatical followers. 'Police Story', 'Nervous Breakdown' and 'Pay To Cum' are all great, but never been able to make it through much else without getting bored and wanting to hear the Misfits or Angry Samoans instead.

Also disappointing that Henry "Pain is God" Rollins didn't really break that mirror on the cover and squirted some ketchup on his knuckles for the shoot. Even Sid was more 'ardkore.

I rarely listen to a Bad Brains album all the way through, basically just go with Sailin' On, Banned in DC, Pay to Cum and Sacred Love. Black Flag I just do Nervous Breakdown, Rise Above and Depression.

martin
07-03-2018, 10:29 PM
Shift-Work (1991). IMHO, like. Maybe hardcore Fall fans unanimously rate it.

It took me a while to get into Shiftwork - it's pretty polarising (speaking of which, wait til you get to 'Levitate' ;) ) and am pretty sure I thought it was way too mellow/commercial when I first heard it.

I love it now, thought it took quite a lot of listens before it clicked - reminds me of summer '95 and me and my mate going on trips to Edinburgh and Glasgow on our National Express Youth Discount passes, and this was a Walkman fave for travelling back monged. Picks: whole thing, but esp. Idiot Joy Showland (which they used to play twice as fast live), Pitsville Direkt, War Against Intelligence, Book of Lies, Shiftwork, The Mixer.

Had some classic MES diss lines too: "You think your haircut is distinguished / When it's a blot on the English landscape". And slagging off Carl Lewis and Good Morning TV. "The working class has been shafted...so what the fuck are you sneering at?"

padraig (u.s.)
07-03-2018, 10:30 PM
Funnily enough, I've always found Black Flag and Bad Brains well disappointing
don't super disagree w/this tbh

Black Flag's rep really rests on the all the pre-Rollins singles, which are really good tbf, and also on Greg Ginn/SST's huge role in establishing U.S. diy hxc culture

Bad Brains real problem is they never recorded just a single killer record, besides the Pay to Cum 7", at the height of their formidable powers, and then once they did they were already in decline. Without Bad Brains there probably is no U.S. version of hardcore as we know it tho, they had the musical chops (from their jazz-funk background) to play super fast and still keep it tight, and thus inspired all the DC kids, which became the main hardcore blueprint.

john eden
07-03-2018, 10:31 PM
unfortunately that's the case with SST in general. actually it's the case with U.S. hardcore in general, at least until the 2nd wave kicks in ca. 1988ish.

(if you're interested btw I'm happy to make some U.S. hxc recs, for better or worse I have pretty much encyclopedic canonical knowledge on that front)

I’ve had some fun with Husker Du, Minutemen, Bad Brains, MDC etc through the winter - filling some gaps. So am ok for now, but another thread for another day would be very cool.

It gets quite muso-ey after a certain point?

padraig (u.s.)
07-03-2018, 10:36 PM
actually IMO Socal hardcore in general is way overrated, don't think any is really crucial beyond early BF, The Minutemen - Paranoid Time + Middle Class - Out of Vogue 7"

also Battalion of Saints but they were from San Diego

for hardcore Boston, NY, DC, SF >>> LA

padraig (u.s.)
07-03-2018, 10:40 PM
It gets quite muso-ey after a certain point?
you mean temporally, or in retroactive appreciation terms?

the first, yes. p much everyone went metal, goth, or alt-rock by 84. even the people who stayed hardcore got more muso (Minor Threat->Embrace->Fugazi).

the second, also yes. but, there was a lot of great dumb teenager music produced in that initial run. later too, but it's different cos it's self-aware.

the international variation is also cool but v much in Discharge lineage, until some Europeans got sick of it and did bandanna thrash (Larm, Ripchord, Heresy).

martin
07-03-2018, 10:46 PM
(if you're interested btw I'm happy to make some U.S. hxc recs, for better or worse I have pretty much encyclopedic canonical knowledge on that front)

Would be interested to see what you rate, as you seem to like a lot of similar anarcho/D-beat stuff.

My own extremely limited knowledge (and very possibly misguided opinions):

Angry Samoans - brilliant, though this may be due to overriding punk influence, and I haven't heard much of their later stuff, which might suck

Agnostic Front - great first chaotic 7", then gradually more boring and generic metal-sounding

Cro-Mags - shit

Negative Approach - couple of good shouty songs, and enjoyable 8-second song 'Pressure'. Apparently legends?

SS Decontrol - some OK riffs but hate the vocals

Negative FX - enjoyable, energetic, though not very memorable

Urban Waste - ditto

Heart Attack - pretty cool, I imagine this would be a lot more fun on a late-night train down the Bronx, shitting myself as gangs get on and off

No Thanks - really good with female vox, sounds like the band are genuinely pissed off and up for a fight

Youth of Today - only really know a couple. Remind me of GBH (not a bad thing)

So yeah, any recommendations welcome...

Mr. Tea
07-03-2018, 10:51 PM
Bad Brains real problem is they never recorded just a single killer record...

I Against I is pretty great, isn't it? Admittedly it's getting for an almost Faith No More-ish 80s hard-rock sound rather than punk/HC per se, but it's got some fantastic tunes on it. 'Return to Heaven' might be in my top ten rock tunes, come to think of it.

padraig (u.s.)
07-03-2018, 11:04 PM
So yeah, any recommendations welcome...
my personal opinions. give a minute + I'll drop some more/general recs.

Angry Samoans - early stuff OK. tbf LA was actually good for that kinda still punk proto-hardcore, which is actually what the first Black Flag record is.

Agnostic Front - agree first 7" is great. First LP (Victim In Pain) also great. After that, bad. Also inspired generations of shitty tough guy NYHC.

Cro-Mags - The Age of Quarrel is great, maybe the canonical crossover LP. After that, bad.

Negative Approach - "Nothing" is the single greatest hardcore song of all time. The 7" is one of the top 5 hardcore U.S. records. The LP is pretty good.

SSD - LP is good. That part of the Boston scene had irritating tough guy vibes (i.e. Wolfpack), sometimes shitty politics, etc.

Negative FX - LP is great, better than SSD, high-level fast hardcore on the way to thrash

Urban Waste - "Public Opinion" is a personal fave, rest of the EP v good but marred but a couple of dumb sexist songs

Heart Attack - not my thing at all

Youth of Today - undeniably canonical, have a couple jams. Youth crew - the SXE style they inspired - v much not my thing. Also Ray Cappo inseparable from later Krishna incarnation

martin
07-03-2018, 11:11 PM
my personal opinions. give a minute + I'll drop some more/general recs.

Angry Samoans - early stuff OK. tbf LA was actually good for that kinda still punk proto-hardcore, which is actually what the first Black Flag record is.

Agnostic Front - agree first 7" is great. First LP (Victim In Pain) also great. After that, bad. Also inspired generations of shitty tough guy NYHC.

Cro-Mags - The Age of Quarrel is great, maybe the canonical crossover LP. After that, bad.

Negative Approach - "Nothing" is the single greatest hardcore song of all time. The 7" is one of the top 5 hardcore U.S. records. The LP is pretty good.

SSD - LP is good. That part of the Boston scene had irritating tough guy vibes (i.e. Wolfpack), sometimes shitty politics, etc.

Negative FX - LP is great, better than SSD, high-level fast hardcore on the way to thrash

Urban Waste - "Public Opinion" is a personal fave, rest of the EP v good but marred but a couple of dumb sexist songs

Heart Attack - not my thing at all

Youth of Today - undeniably canonical, have a couple jams. Youth crew - the SXE style they inspired - v much not my thing. Also Ray Cappo inseparable from later Krishna incarnation

Cheers! Apologies, I just re-checked iTunes and I meant Youth Brigade, not Youth of Today.

Yeah, 'Nothing' is superb. Isn't that NA 7" with the Linda Blair pic worth a grand or something totally crazy?

martin
07-03-2018, 11:19 PM
Oh! And forgot to mention FEAR - but guess they'd be more in that LA punk / proto-hardcore vein too?

That footage of them on SNL is great

padraig (u.s.)
07-03-2018, 11:28 PM
some other things I'd recommend highly

Minor Threat - everything is good, even the later records when they got back together. my favorite is the Filler EP.
Faith - Subject to Change, also the Faith/Void split. Void was a cool weird band.
Embrace S/T - the first "emo" record along w/Rites of Spring. basically Ian Mackaye + Faith. huge fan. not into Fugazi at all tho.
White Cross - EP + LP both fantastic, but LP better. Awesome + underrated band
Koro S/T EP
Deep Wound S/T EP - J Mascis on drums, Lou Barlow on guitar. Ultrafast teenage thrash.
Siege - Drop Dead. The original powerviolence record. Amazing. The equivalent of those proto-house records you hear from 8 years before house existed.
State - No Illusions EP
Necros - Conquest For Death
Die Kreuzen S/T LP
Husker Du - Land Speed Record for hardcore. Super fast and raw for 1981. Not the Husker Du you know.
Fang - Landshark! "The Money Will Roll Right In", "Skinheads Smoke Dope", etc
Poison Idea - Pick Your King
Feederz - Ever Feel Like Killing Your Boss
Really Red - New Strings For Old Puppets EP
D.R.I. - first 2 EPs. maybe Dealing With It. Avoid everything after that.
N.O.T.A. - Moscow EP
7 Seconds - The Crew
Bad Religion - How Could Hell Be Any Worse? Side 1 perfect, side 2 OK. Everything else sucks. Also kinda to blame for decades of pop-punk but what're you gonna do.

American d-beat
Crucifix - Annihilation. Also one of the only real U.S. anarchopunk bands, pre-crust. Maybe my fave U.S. hxc LP.
Diatribe - Aftermath EP
Iconoclast - 1983 + 1984 demos, both awesome
Battalion of Saints - Second Coming

hardcore not hardcore
Big Boys - everything. Along w/The Dicks + Dave Dictor from MDC, the holy trinity of gay Texas punk weirdos (honorable mention to Butthole Surfers)
No Trend - Teenage Love 7"

martin
07-03-2018, 11:29 PM
That part of the Boston scene had irritating tough guy vibes (i.e. Wolfpack), sometimes shitty politics, etc.


I never understood the 'crew' thing. There's some story about skins from Boston or DC going to NY, with Xs on their foreheads, and starting fights with any 'X'-free NY locals. Just territorial/regional rivalry, or did they really hate alcohol and beer-drinkers that much?

padraig (u.s.)
07-03-2018, 11:31 PM
sure I left a few things out but that's p much my cream of the crop for U.S. hxc 79-84 or 85, after which it becomes a different thing

Fear ya in that punk/hardcore grey area. "New York's Alright If You Like Saxophones" is maybe the greatest punk diss track ever.

martin
07-03-2018, 11:39 PM
sure I left a few things out but that's p much my cream of the crop for U.S. hxc 79-84 or 85, after which it becomes a different thing.

Cool, will check these out. You're the third Dissensus user I know of who's brought up that Deep Wound EP

padraig (u.s.)
07-03-2018, 11:43 PM
did they really hate alcohol and beer-drinkers that much?
it's all much mythologized at this point but my understanding is something like:

Ian Mackaye + his friends were too young to drink legally, and v into this high on life kinda thing, listening to fast/hard music - before punk it was hard rock - skateboard, whatever. the original punk scene otoh was p druggy, full of decadent art weirdos etc. also the 70s, cocaine, disco, etc. SxE was kinda reaction, how teenagers will rebel against whatever's the old thing in this case drugs. also original hardcore was pretty violent in a number of ways. first you could actually get beat up for looking like a punk (seems quaint now). also some scenes were pretty violent, especially L.A. which people mythologized. Henry Rollins first bend, SOA, like every song is about fighting or gang fighting or something. NY scene had a fair number of rough + tumble street kids back when LES etc was no joke. Boston is more like frat jocks. The lefty main guy from MRR, Tim Yohannon, famously hated that part of Boston scene. I think the Boston/NY thing was an outgrowth of dumb teen machismo, gang mentality and the traditional Boston v. NY rivalry.

tldr - teen aggro

padraig (u.s.)
07-03-2018, 11:48 PM
SxE in general is super American, even its foreign iterations, v Puritan. Went to SXE vegan metalcore scene of the 90s (Earth Crisis and beyond)

unsurprisingly its most extreme descendant, hardline, got heavy into not just veganism but anti-abortion, v militant

look up Vegan Reich, and Raid from Tennessee, for some serious craziness. The main Vegan Reich guy later converted to Islam a la Cappo to Krishna.

padraig (u.s.)
07-03-2018, 11:52 PM
I Against I is pretty great, isn't it?
it's not terrible - "House of Suffering" is a nostalgic fave - but it's not great either. all their LPs have plenty of filler. it's just not in the same galaxy as their important stuff.

martin
08-03-2018, 12:12 AM
SxE in general is super American, even its foreign iterations, v Puritan.

Yeah, it always seemed (to me) a lot more of a US thing - UKHC was boozier and crustier. Can't imagine calls to boycott the bar going down well at a Deviated Instinct gig.

Then again, might have been worth risking a 'Boston beatdown' to get away from the stench of rotting jeans and gluebags.



look up Vegan Reich, and Raid from Tennessee, for some serious craziness. The main Vegan Reich guy later converted to Islam a la Cappo to Krishna.

Ha ha, they became Vegan Jihad, no? Class. :cool: Never heard them, but checked out their lyrics online. Was mostly shocked to find out it wasn't some joke band and that they actually meant it...

padraig (u.s.)
08-03-2018, 04:15 AM
UKHC was boozier and crustier
there is a strand of US-influenced UKHC but it's not until later. The Stupids, Ripchord, Heresy, contemporaries of the crust pioneers as you probably know.

as a kid I was hugely into Amebix, Axegrinder, Deviated Instinct, etc as well as Doom, ENT - the two sides of crust, crust proper and crustcore, if you will.

don't think SxE really hit the UK/Europe til the late 80s/early 90s? could be wrong. the guys from Larm were I believe, p sure their later band Seein' Red was.

I do know vegan SxE metallic hxc was HUGE in Europe in the 90s. Huge here too tbf. Has mostly not aged well. Exception is Integrity, v much not straight edge tho.

padraig (u.s.)
08-03-2018, 04:17 AM
for the record, my personal fave intl 80s hxc scene wavers between Finland + Italy. Sweden is great, Japan as always a world unto itself, but those 2, unmistakable.

Finland - v prominent bass (a true rarity in 80s hxc), tons of reverb, some has goth/deathrock flavor, but also some of the most fucked up early noisecore things

Italians - clean guitar tones, almost a weird ultra fast jazzy thing, tortured vocals, militant politics. astounding to think the same country produced things like Wretched, Cheetah Chrome Motherfuckers, Shotgun Solution, etc at literally the exact same time as the peak of Italo disco.

btw Martin I hear you're also a big Oi fan. curious to hear some of your opinions thereof? Esp as there's been a big Oi revival the last few years, spearheaded by the French.

CORP$EY
08-03-2018, 09:52 AM
i owned 'damage' by black flag back in the days when i wanted to be a punk and i never really liked it that much so its interesting/vindicating to see fans of this stuff saying that album's not as good as earlier stuff

i sometimes wish i liked black flag more so i could get their logo tattooed on me - a mate of mine has it and it looks good

don't listen to any of that stuff anymore although quite recently i had a little binge of buzzcocks et al (i know that's not the same scene at all btw lol)

i also like dead kennedy's 'let's lynch the landlord'

martin
08-03-2018, 11:59 AM
Well, in true MRR Scene Report style, I’ll start off by announcing that London's become culturally poorer this year following the dissolution of 16 GUNS, one of the best Oi! groups to ever slither out of the Thames. Spent my 40th birthday nursing a burst eardrum while watching them play in Camden, surrounded by about 10 ageing skins, though they sadly split up soon after. They never committed anything to vinyl except ‘Private 999’ on one of the Mortarhate comps, but their demos should be treasured by skins and punks everywhere – no horrible metal influence or guitar solos, just pure yob rock. Despite having a bad reputation, a friend approached them for a track for a homeless benefit comp he was arranging, and reports that they couldn’t have been more helpful.

16 Guns are responsible for some of the best lyrics in Oi! history, having gifted us with gems like: “I don’t care what colour you are / I’ll run you over in my car” (Psycho); “Always trying to spoil my life / the bald-headed bastard and his fucking wife / ‘Don’t do this and don’t do that / and don’t you dare kick my cat’” (Sod The Neighbours); and “Smother your baby in his cot / What’s he done to you? Not a lot” (Child Batterer). I shall never forget them.

More later!

CORP$EY
09-03-2018, 03:38 PM
Favourite music memory?

There are many. In the case of one, I can't remember what specific music was playing, I just remember the sight of hundreds of people leaning over a balconey (and over the handrails of the stairs to the balconey) as a drum n bass DJ at Rock City in Nottingham dropped ??? and all the people's arms went mental at once. I am pretty sure this happened on the first night I ever took pills. Thinking about this my mind jumps forward to Exit Festival in Serbia in 2007, standing on top of a hill and seeing tens of thousands of people going absolutely mental to techno as the sun rose over the ex-military fort. Remembering, too, an old hippy couple stood in front of me watching Love at Glastonbury, and sharing this smile which really touched me to the core. (And Love were great.)

Not so much a single memory but a group - being introduced to UK garage by some friends at university, having got into dubstep that year. I'd heard about five garage tunes ever and so being played all these amazing tunes at once while pingered up was truly jaw dropping. Every tune they dropped was a 'what the FUCK is this?!' moment.

CORP$EY
09-03-2018, 03:46 PM
What music have you gone off after loving at some point?

Soooo much. A small sampling would include

Backpacker/underground rap - not all of it, but a lot of it. The majority of the questionable CDs I own from being a teenager belong to this group.

American punk music - NOFX, Rancid, Less Than Jake... I was young and I liked taking ownership of being a scuzzbag. Now I'm old and it just seems embarrassing. Also the ethos of futurism which I've taken from getting into dance music condemns Rancid if only because they're just a rip off of the Clash.

Indie - specifically Coldplay, whose second album I (to my own surprise) fell in love with and was deeply emotionally affected by back when hormones were coursing through my veins and I was first coming to grips with a lifetime of alienated misery... The thing here is I don't think I ever DID go off that album, I just became embarrassed by it, too embarrassed to ignore its drippiness. I felt really vindicated when I saw K Punk praising 'Clocks' on his blog once.

NME rock - just don't even listen to it anymore - The Strokes, The Libertines, The Vines, etc.

Drum N Bass - I was suuuper into drum n bass for years and now I can't stand most of it, all I can hear is the snare going tsh-tsch-tsch... I think you really have to be into going to DNB nights and taking five pills in a night to 'get' this music. That's what it took

Dubstep: I think this is a similar case to Drum N Bass - I was going to nights every other week when I was into it and its a whole other thing when you can feel it juddering your body and tickling your nose.

martin
12-03-2018, 12:49 AM
I was starting to wade through Padraig's HC tips and came across this, out of the blue - apparently contemporaries /comrades of Negative Approach and nothing to do with THAT L7, though this is way more art-punk/proto-Riot Grrl than hardcore and really catchy (to me, anyway). Discogs only lists this - did they do anymore?

Evocative 80s guitar sound on the third/final track, too - is it even possible to create those tones anymore? Was it a particular FX box or did everyone just get sick to death of the sound of it by '87?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lETn1ZVr79E

john eden
12-03-2018, 10:49 AM
It took me a while to get into Shiftwork - it's pretty polarising (speaking of which, wait til you get to 'Levitate' ;) ) and am pretty sure I thought it was way too mellow/commercial when I first heard it.

I love it now, thought it took quite a lot of listens before it clicked - reminds me of summer '95 and me and my mate going on trips to Edinburgh and Glasgow on our National Express Youth Discount passes, and this was a Walkman fave for travelling back monged. Picks: whole thing, but esp. Idiot Joy Showland (which they used to play twice as fast live), Pitsville Direkt, War Against Intelligence, Book of Lies, Shiftwork, The Mixer.

Had some classic MES diss lines too: "You think your haircut is distinguished / When it's a blot on the English landscape". And slagging off Carl Lewis and Good Morning TV. "The working class has been shafted...so what the fuck are you sneering at?"

I'll give Shfit-Work another go, someone else said it was good too.

"Levitate" is interesting because whilst you don't think of The Fall as being a commercial band, it is very uncommercial by their usual standards. I think this might be the only Fall my partner has heard which is probably why she doesn't like them. Hearing me play "This Nations Saving Grace" was confusing for her.

john eden
12-03-2018, 11:13 AM
Vegan Reich - Byron Coley tried to convince me that they were on a wind up.

Last time I checked their Islamic stuff it was hard to see much humour in it and there was a hell of a lot of it, so I remain sceptical.

Mind you I have no sense of fun at all, so it could be that.

matt b
12-03-2018, 11:41 AM
don't think SxE really hit the UK/Europe til the late 80s/early 90s? could be wrong. the guys from Larm were I believe, p sure their later band Seein' Red was.

I do know vegan SxE metallic hxc was HUGE in Europe in the 90s. Huge here too tbf. Has mostly not aged well. Exception is Integrity, v much not straight edge tho.

By the time I got into H/C properly (1988) SxE was a thing, although more Minor Threat / Bad Religion inspired (and seemingly linked to skateboarding/ BMX) a bit later it was very Revelation focused (YoT, GBs etc) and more American (Jock?) sportswear. It seemed to die off as a specific thing until Earth Crisis etc a bit later.

UK and Europe had pretty separate scenes until mid-1990s and the Vegan Reich end of SxE was pretty tiny in the UK as far as I can remember and they did seem to split away almost entirely from the rest of the scene and go to the massive SxE festivals in Belgium at places like Vort n Vis (https://90svortnvis.wordpress.com/)

matt b
12-03-2018, 11:58 AM
Vegan Reich - Byron Coley tried to convince me that they were on a wind up.

Those who identify as Vegan SxE HxC kids are the most boring po-faced twats imaginable. They meant it

martin
12-03-2018, 12:06 PM
I'll give Shfit-Work another go, someone else said it was good too.

"Levitate" is interesting because whilst you don't think of The Fall as being a commercial band, it is very uncommercial by their usual standards. I think this might be the only Fall my partner has heard which is probably why she doesn't like them. Hearing me play "This Nations Saving Grace" was confusing for her.

I grabbed 'Levitate' the week it came out and was...proper gobsmacked. Remember thinking it had this extreme vibe that almost wiped out everything they'd done before. I love it - it's a shambles but with all these obsessive touches -probably the most 'industrial' thing (as in weird/obscure references, DIY production, anti-commercial effects, etc) they ever came up with, which might explain why some fans hate it. Can certainly see how your partner might not have been too enthusiastic about 'Inch', which is a million miles away from 'Edinburgh Man'...

The gigs were quite manic at that time too, culminating in the big NYC fight. I saw them around Xmas '97 at the Forum (started going to their gigs in '94) and that was the first time I saw MES wander off stage to sing from the back, and start fiddling around with the amps. Plenty of bets back then that he was drinking himself into an early grave.

'Levitate' was also the last Fall album I bought. Part of me still thinks, grannies on bongos befucked - they're not The Fall without Steve Hanley. Must admit really liking Bourgeois Town, Blindness, Sparta FC since, though. For me, the worst of the '90s stuff was "Cerebral Caustic".

Then again, most Fall fans would probably burn me alive as I think - shock, horror! - Hex Enduction Hour is overrated, so wouldn't necessarily take my advice...

john eden
12-03-2018, 12:18 PM
By the time I got into H/C properly (1988) SxE was a thing, although more Minor Threat / Bad Religion inspired (and seemingly linked to skateboarding/ BMX) a bit later it was very Revelation focused (YoT, GBs etc) and more American (Jock?) sportswear. It seemed to die off as a specific thing until Earth Crisis etc a bit later.


I saw Youth of Today at SOAS in March 1989 and pretty much everyone in the place had a pint in hand. It was a great gig, possibly the best stage diving I have ever seen.

There were a handful of earnest types about but I don't remember ever meeting a proper straight edge person at that time. (I mean, this is hardly surprising given my social group then tbf). I do remember a bit more of it when you got to the mid 90s maybe, but I had lost touch with the music by then...

matt b
12-03-2018, 12:22 PM
I saw Youth of Today at SOAS in March 1989 and pretty much everyone in the place had a pint in hand. It was a great gig, possibly the best stage diving I have ever seen.

Jealous


There were a handful of earnest types about

Always this in HC

john eden
12-03-2018, 12:23 PM
'Levitate' was also the last Fall album I bought. Part of me still thinks, grannies on bongos befucked - they're not The Fall without Steve Hanley. Must admit really liking Bourgeois Town, Blindness, Sparta FC since, though. For me, the worst of the '90s stuff was "Cerebral Caustic".

Then again, most Fall fans would probably burn me alive as I think - shock, horror! - Hex Enduction Hour is overrated, so wouldn't necessarily take my advice...

I'm just whizzing through everything and listening to the albums twice so I don't have any depth of perspective, lol. Levitate is the first proper break with rock n roll in places which is quite something. His vocals are proper ropey on it too but I don't mind that.

I agree with Hex Enduction Hour being overrated though. "Hip Priest" is a classic but I prefer mid/late 80s stuff to be honest (that cliche about your favourite Fall being the first era you heard definitely holds true for me).

john eden
12-03-2018, 12:26 PM
Jealous

Jealous Again....

SOAS had a good run of gigs in 1989. I saw Nirvana, Youth of Today and Young Gods there in quick succession.

Mind you I was also going to a lot of Creaming Jesus and Junior Manson Slags gigs so it's not like I was incredibly discerning.

matt b
12-03-2018, 12:29 PM
Jealous Again....


BOOM!

martin
12-03-2018, 12:53 PM
I agree with Hex Enduction Hour being overrated though. "Hip Priest" is a classic but I prefer mid/late 80s stuff to be honest (that cliche about your favourite Fall being the first era you heard definitely holds true for me).

The Brix era was terrific. She reined in some of his worst prog-rock excesses and got him to lose the Prince Valiant hair-do and jumpers, so good on her for that alone. Side 2 of Bend Sinister is flawless IMO.

trilliam
12-03-2018, 01:00 PM
Favourite genre?
NEW YORK STREET RAP
Most listened to genre?
UK RAP
Favourite artist?
HISTORICALLY: NAS
AT THE MOMENT: THA GOD FAHIM
Most listened to artist?
MAX B
Most potently nostalgic music for you?
THE SMITHS / LANDFILL INDIE FROM THE LATE NOUGHTIES / GRIME
Favourite music memory?
PERFORMING ON AXEFM, OH U MEAN FROM ANOTHER ARTIST LOL
Music you associate with your childhood?
GRIME / EMINEM
Music you associate with your mid-late teens?
GIGGS / STYLES P
Musical opinion most likely to piss off dissensians?
SEE THE DEEP TECH THREAD
When was music last great?
2012
First time your jaw dropped listening to music?
AS A MUSIC SNOB? LED ZEP - IN MY TIME OF DYING AT KNEBWORTH
Last time your jaw dropped listening to music?
HARLEM WESTWOOD CRIB SESSION
Music you associate with your children?
N/A
Music you associate with your parents?
PREMIER CHRISTIAN RADIO
Music you associate with your partner?
*INTERNALLY RAGES*
When did you first realise you were into music more than others?
YEAR 7 PUTTING EVERYONE INTO 50
How did you get into the nuum/dancehall/rap side of things?
WILL REVERSE THIS QUESTION. FIRST STARTED GOING OUTSIDE MY COMFORT ZONE IN 6TH FORM AFTER HEARING BLOC PARTY - SILENT ALARM
Favourite live music experience?
HOUSE MUSIC IN LONDON CIRCA 2011-14
What music would you like people to associate with you?
UK RAP
What have you been listening to recently?
OCEANS WISDOM - WIZVILLE
What music have you gone off after loving at some point?
UK DRILL
How avant guard can you go and still enjoy it sober?
POSH ISOLATION....NOT
Best drug-music combination?
PILLS AND HOUSE
What year does music start to be good?
1969
Most embarrassing musical tastes of your younger self?
NONE
Music that everyone’s wrong about?
ALL THE MUSIC THEY LOVED AS A YOUNGER OTHER PEOPLE CALL CRINGE NOW
Best soundtrack?
TONY HAWKS PRO SKATER 3

version
12-03-2018, 03:57 PM
Must admit really liking Bourgeois Town, Blindness, Sparta FC since, though. For me, the worst of the '90s stuff was "Cerebral Caustic".

The Peel Session version of Blindness is unbelievable.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAHbSAJjTls

luka
12-03-2018, 04:06 PM
POSH ISOLATION

not a stupid idea.

padraig (u.s.)
13-03-2018, 12:11 AM
UK and Europe had pretty separate scenes until mid-1990s and the Vegan Reich end of SxE was pretty tiny in the UK as far as I can remember

basically confirms what I thought, down to Belgium being a stronghold. vegan SxE had thankfully already peaked here by the time I came up but it was still all over the place and I avoided it like the plague. tbf Vegan Reich etc hardline were well beyond the mainstream but the mainstream was plenty bad enough. even the less terrible ideological stuff was so preachy and obsessed with purity and betrayal. like a 19th century upstate NY religious revival crossed with some grim Jacobean revenge tragedy. also I was in a wholly different youth tribe, you know how that goes.

there is no more earnest group on Earth than SxE hxc kids. witness how their icons like Mackaye + Cappo. spend their whole lives trying to escape their legends.

padraig (u.s.)
13-03-2018, 12:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIZsj4QTyIw
tbf there were some exceptions, idk the history super well but I do know these dudes + others battled the hardline guys for the soul of SxE scene

total jam too. "animal liberation earth liberation human liberation, will only come thru education"

padraig (u.s.)
13-03-2018, 12:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kb0x1nG6dU
Good Clean Fun is mostly too goofy for me but this is a highly entertaining satire of hardline at its peak

bonus points for the Black Sheep reference "I dreamed I was hard"

padraig (u.s.)
13-03-2018, 12:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lETn1ZVr79E

woah that IS good. reminds me, esp the guitar playing, of some of the DC bands, the Faith->Embrace axis, also EFA era Husker Du. definitely has that art punk but played but people familiar w/hxc vibe. the U.S. had a fair bit of that post-punk bleeding into hardcore - the weirder end of SST, the MPLS bands, Naked Raygun, Really Red. I think u could say in genl the U.S. post-punk is more punk while UK is more post. anyway I'd mostly distinguish that from proper hardcore band like Die Kreuzen shifting to 80s alt rock on later records. I did know that John Brannon of NA went on to Laughing Hyenas (w/some of these folks) but I've never listened to them.

no idea about specific guitar FX. in general rawness is a huge attraction of early 80s hxc. I doubt any of it was intentional, just lack of $/resources, then following general 80s trend eventually overproduction set it as people got more professional. listen to records on bigger labels from that 85-87 fallow period. there's a huge ongoing trend in punk of people obsessively recreating very specific 80s hardcore sounds, like religious artifacts or something.

Leo
13-03-2018, 12:15 PM
woah that IS good. reminds me, esp the guitar playing, of some of the DC bands, the Faith->Embrace axis, also EFA era Husker Du. definitely has that art punk but played but people familiar w/hxc vibe. the U.S. had a fair bit of that post-punk bleeding into hardcore - the weirder end of SST, the MPLS bands, Naked Raygun, Really Red. I think u could say in genl the U.S. post-punk is more punk while UK is more post. anyway I'd mostly distinguish that from proper hardcore band like Die Kreuzen shifting to 80s alt rock on later records. I did know that John Brannon of NA went on to Laughing Hyenas (w/some of these folks) but I've never listened to them.

no idea about specific guitar FX. in general rawness is a huge attraction of early 80s hxc. I doubt any of it was intentional, just lack of $/resources, then following general 80s trend eventually overproduction set it as people got more professional. listen to records on bigger labels from that 85-87 fallow period. there's a huge ongoing trend in punk of people obsessively recreating very specific 80s hardcore sounds, like religious artifacts or something.

i assume you know L-seven featured larissa strickland in her pre-laughing hyenas days.

matt b
13-03-2018, 01:21 PM
basically confirms what I thought, down to Belgium being a stronghold. vegan SxE had thankfully already peaked here by the time I came up but it was still all over the place and I avoided it like the plague. tbf Vegan Reich etc hardline were well beyond the mainstream but the mainstream was plenty bad enough. even the less terrible ideological stuff was so preachy and obsessed with purity and betrayal. like a 19th century upstate NY religious revival crossed with some grim Jacobean revenge tragedy. also I was in a wholly different youth tribe, you know how that goes.

there is no more earnest group on Earth than SxE hxc kids.

Yeah, I was lobbing all Vegan SxE under the Vegan Reich label for convenience.

There were obvs vegans and some vegan/ SxE bands about but the the only ones that were good weren't identifying as that.

As John mentioned upthread, the UKHC scene was not really SxE- cultural relationship w/alcohol v. different to USA (but was vegetarian/ vegan in the main).

There endeth discussion of the dietary habits of HC kids 20 years ago

Hrdbldbbsnddrkchclt
13-03-2018, 07:08 PM
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Favourite genre?
N/a
Most listened to genre?
Hiphop
Favourite artist?
N/a
Most listened to artist?
N/a
Most potently nostalgic music for you?
Broken beat/grime/90s dancehall
Favourite music memory?
N/a
Music you associate with your childhood?
Dancehall /soca/
Music you associate with your mid-late teens?
Broken beat grime hiphop
Musical opinion most likely to piss off dissensians?
Manchester >London until garage
When was music last great?
'04
First time your jaw dropped listening to music?
'02
Last time your jaw dropped listening to music?
This year
Music you associate with your children?
N/a
Music you associate with your parents?
Dancehall /reggae
Music you associate with your partner?
Singer songwriter pinky plonk worthy shit
When did you first realise you were into music more than others?
Dunno
How did you get into the nuum/dancehall/rap side of things?
Grime and garage tapes
Favourite live music experiaence?
Best carnival I ever went to
What music would you like people to associate with you?
Doest matter
What have you been listening to recently?
Slowthai/ jazz/ stoner metal/ dj aakmael /Scottish post punk
What music have you gone off after loving at some point?
Punk
How avant guard can you go and still enjoy it sober?
Cecil taylor
Best drug-music combination?
300 to 500 capacity club playing house on mdma or shrooms
What year does music start to be good?

Most embarrassing musical tastes of your younger self?
Ska punk
Music that everyone’s wrong about?
Bob Dylan is trash
Best soundtrack?
Moonlight
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Name a few favourite albums of yours?
Bizzarre ride!, homogenic,blowout comb,dare is a dark side, nicolette,dj sprinkles midtown blues,
Name a few of your favourite pop songs?
Madonna ray of light, groove is in the heart,that spice girls song with a g- funk bass line
Music that makes you nostalgic for a time you were never a part of?
90s hiphop, post punk, madchester, new York downtown, og Chicago house, og jamaican ska


Fave genre and fave artist is too hard

thirdform
29-03-2018, 05:00 AM
Favourite genre?
Dark.
Most listened to genre?
Dark.
Favourite artist?
Electric Miles, Autechre. Maybe Coltrane as well.
Most listened to artist?
don't really wanna go by last.fm as i don't scrobble much.
Most potently nostalgic music for you?
late 90s rnb.
Favourite music memory?
loads.
Music you associate with your childhood?
turkish stuff.
Music you associate with your mid-late teens?
dark.
Musical opinion most likely to piss off dissensians?
dark is good. rap is sonically too middle class these days. most metal isn't dark enough coss those wankers love guitar solos and melodies.
When was music last great?
05, en masse.
First time your jaw dropped listening to music?
miles in a silent way.
Last time your jaw dropped listening to music?
typography of the lungs and bernard parmegiani in 2015.
Music you associate with your children?
n/a.
Music you associate with your parents?
turkish stuff.
Music you associate with your partner?
n/a
When did you first realise you were into music more than others?
phuture acid tracks hardfloor acperience 1 underground resistance seawolf.
How did you get into the nuum/dancehall/rap side of things?
slammin vinyl comps lol. it was everywhere in london.
Favourite live music experience?
russell haswell in a basement probably.
What music would you like people to associate with you?
dark, rhythmic.
What have you been listening to recently?
shabba ranks, charlie parker, chrome alien soundtracks, Masayuki Takayanagi, dark.
What music have you gone off after loving at some point?
metal.
How avant guard can you go and still enjoy it sober?
all the fucking way. harsh noise.
Best drug-music combination?
booze jackin hard techno. weed 90s rap, dub. acid throbbing gristle.
What year does music start to be good?
year 0.
Most embarrassing musical tastes of your younger self?
prog.
Music that everyone’s wrong about?
early dubstep until 05/06 is good. breakcore was a good idea, initially.
Best soundtrack?
none cos penderecki's threnity isn't a soundtrack. dark.

Name a few of your favourite pop songs?
dark.
Music that makes you nostalgic for a time you were never a part of?
darkcore of course.

thirdform
29-03-2018, 05:05 AM
i had to invent dark to encapsulate darkcore, the mover, early wot do u call it/dark 4x4, electro, industrial techno etc.