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thirdform
16-03-2018, 10:58 PM
like guy called gerald's nazinji zaka crossed with dark magus era miles crossed with Fela's Alu Jon Jonki Jon and that lightning bolt drummer Brian Chippendale.

give me yer best bdsm death noise funk.

thirdform
16-03-2018, 11:15 PM
already heard 23 skidoo.

thirdform
16-03-2018, 11:18 PM
gabba 4 brown boys.

luka
16-03-2018, 11:20 PM
i dont think ive ever been asked a more difficult question.
reckon the older lot might have some answers. leo and padraig in particular.

padraig (u.s.)
16-03-2018, 11:24 PM
do you want 4th world death funk, or breakcore but if it was good?

the first I can definitely do, esp if 23 Skidoo is a jumping off point. the 2nd doesn't exist in this timeline of human reality.

padraig (u.s.)
16-03-2018, 11:25 PM
I like the challenge, either way. consider the gauntlet thrown down.

thirdform
16-03-2018, 11:27 PM
was talking to my mate about metal a few weeks ago. he asked if there was ragga metal. i just shrugged. i couldn't bring myself to say skindred lmao.

funk metal. what a travesty that was lol.

i want to be fucked by sound like that misterzlone dude said. actually there might be some hipster black metal but im so out of touch with that scene.

thirdform
16-03-2018, 11:36 PM
do you want 4th world death funk, or breakcore but if it was good?

the first I can definitely do, esp if 23 Skidoo is a jumping off point. the 2nd doesn't exist in this timeline of human reality.

The first.

Ah lol breakcore. that takes me back. hardly listen to any of it now. some praxis and gabba leaning stuff like dj scud. thats it.

padraig (u.s.)
16-03-2018, 11:52 PM
alrite. I'll post some things + you tell me if I'm getting hotter/colder.

the real challenge is to nail everything in one, the darkness with the funk with the machinic

that crazy Igor Wakhevitch record I posted in some other thread is best unifying example I can think of

then this. not really dark but ticks off all the other boxes. definitely for brown boys, among others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b01QltUt-c

padraig (u.s.)
16-03-2018, 11:55 PM
not machinic, but still, the kind of thing you can imagine 23 Skidoo sampling/being inspired by (besides gamelan I mean)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TzmWZhw0aE&t=0s

padraig (u.s.)
16-03-2018, 11:56 PM
put this up in near/middle east dance music thread

kinda like 10 Ragas to a Disco Beat, Egyptian edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJzgZ0P5taQ

padraig (u.s.)
16-03-2018, 11:59 PM
another 23 Skidoo-ish thing. a Martin Hannett production. v tite record.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08O9TXo2uL4

padraig (u.s.)
17-03-2018, 12:00 AM
hey question to those who'd know - is there a reason I can only have 1 vid per post? bit irritating at times like this

padraig (u.s.)
17-03-2018, 12:05 AM
I'd like to put more actual African music but I can't think of any that's dark in the way you mean

gods know a Nigerian Bauhaus or whatever would've been the fucking sickest thing ever

padraig (u.s.)
17-03-2018, 12:06 AM
there's probably some relevant L.I.E.S. etc bits, or maybe some Ancient Methods edits. or DJ Sotofett etc tho idk how dark or machinic those dudes get.

padraig (u.s.)
17-03-2018, 12:13 AM
definitely various UR/Drexciya bits

padraig (u.s.)
17-03-2018, 12:24 AM
anything close? no? need some feedback on what direction

padraig (u.s.)
17-03-2018, 12:29 AM
Japanese noisecore is philosophically/aesthetically on a kinda 4th world gabber thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhlor6ZPh6M
see also Kuro, Gai, State Children

droid
17-03-2018, 12:30 AM
hey question to those who'd know - is there a reason I can only have 1 vid per post? bit irritating at times like this


This killed me for ages. Just post the URLs without using the video button.

padraig (u.s.)
17-03-2018, 12:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2xFHj12Tkw
I mean if you're talking black metal why not just cut straight to the raw

padraig (u.s.)
17-03-2018, 12:31 AM
This killed me for ages. Just post the URLs without using the video button.
oh word 10-4 that, thx

padraig (u.s.)
17-03-2018, 12:36 AM
Carl Crack's (RIP) solo LP Black Ark for sure

p much a direct anticipation of Dean Blunt, but even way more lo-fi + filtered through jungle, gabba, noise, dub + being a black dude in Germany

definitely the most interesting of the ATR crew (Christoph de Babalon 2nd-most interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEoHrSeTz7o

padraig (u.s.)
17-03-2018, 12:38 AM
alrite that's all my current thoughts in the absence of any further direction

I do enjoy this trying to develop a concept/aesthetic thing. like the cosmic guys putting together cosmic.

alec.tron
17-03-2018, 01:58 AM
You had him in the initial post... but one of the few things can think of connecting funk, machine & dark ish stuff would be Brian Chippendale's solo Black Pus thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_OqGsLoGxk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxSi4a0Ygk8


Potentially Eardrum and/or Muzlimgauze, if Skidoo23 is a somewhat right direction.... alas the organic/oriental drums play against the machine-ness somewhat...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T62P29AWic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwHqGJVtbmI





c.

Leo
17-03-2018, 02:17 AM
lots of examples of the first few characteristics but the psychedelic/miles part is what makes it more difficult. if you ever find this combination somewhere, please tell us!

granted not 100% what you're looking for, these touch some of the bases:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBB8k9L07FU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0luFuJpzmkw

not as noisy as the others, some sax creeps in around the 4:00 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzrT-OzPsAI

on LIES, with "network" sample...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR4aAjhYNn8

includes drummer from sepultura...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taxQTAtcdWI

Leo
17-03-2018, 02:22 AM
new on bastakiya tapes, sublabel of bedouin records:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y54xK2Bcv44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqlgXZaiTXY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI2gg3xpJJA

thirdform
17-03-2018, 03:09 AM
not machinic, but still, the kind of thing you can imagine 23 Skidoo sampling/being inspired by (besides gamelan I mean)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TzmWZhw0aE&t=0s


yeh good that. maybe machinic was the wrong word. but fluid and contained. still having a groove you can get stuck in. not like the more anti-groove free jazz.

thirdform
17-03-2018, 03:30 AM
Carl Crack's (RIP) solo LP Black Ark for sure

p much a direct anticipation of Dean Blunt, but even way more lo-fi + filtered through jungle, gabba, noise, dub + being a black dude in Germany

definitely the most interesting of the ATR crew (Christoph de Babalon 2nd-most interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEoHrSeTz7o

yeh got that. great record.

thirdform
17-03-2018, 04:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8eIXTJKrlU

padraig (u.s.)
17-03-2018, 04:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzrT-OzPsAI
ya that's v good. nails the 4th world vibe, like it simultaneously comes from all places but also from nowhere in particular - from an imaginary creole in which individual cultural borrowing can no longer be easily discerned, what Hassell was after with the concept. not Dillinja Blade Runner, but Blade Runner of "the gibberish he talked was cityspeak, gutter talk, a mishmash of Japanese, Spanish, German, what have you", Blade Runner as postcolonial discourse. not surprised it came from Serbia, I'll bet dude grew up on the great YU postpunk scene

made me think of this great record, v 4th world (tho you can tell they were also familiar w/contemporary NY club music)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grRQba5R7Mw
the Invisible City Editions guy - who normally has impeccable taste - rated that 1 star on discogs + I'm completely mystified

padraig (u.s.)
17-03-2018, 04:05 AM
the whole galaxy of August Darnell/Ze projects - Dr. Buzzard's, Kid Creole, Gichy Dan, etc - are relevant

not hard in the least but incredibly high production value postmodern take on creole/mulatto, plus a bunch of those records knock

padraig (u.s.)
17-03-2018, 04:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBw5hSvK_Sk
this, definitely

padraig (u.s.)
17-03-2018, 04:11 AM
there's also a super intense taiko record I once heard that I can't remembe rn

thirdform
17-03-2018, 04:15 AM
huh edit function is being weird. need sleep now. nearly half 4.

padraig (u.s.)
17-03-2018, 04:25 AM
o ya way earlier here. knock off + I'll post a couple more things + we/everyone can continue tomorrow or whenever.

padraig (u.s.)
17-03-2018, 04:33 AM
Miami bass comes to mind. Miami (probably my favorite city) is totally 4th world, and bass fulfills hard, rhythmic, machinic, not really psychedelic.

for sure hard machine funk for brown people tho - witness its diaspora to global bass musics generally + specifically its huge popularity in Brazil

specifically the harder ca. 86 + beyond Amos Larkin sound (as opposed to the earlier Pretty Tony Miami electro proto-bass template)

this is one of the first true bass records, Larkins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxvnr6lsXCA

a little later once it's started speeding up, disembodied/distorted voice a bit reminiscent of the darker Chicago acid records
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV7hcUv3mE4

padraig (u.s.)
17-03-2018, 04:41 AM
actually that's all I have for now

was gonna say Bad Brains to begin with, but they never managed to unite the blazing hardcore with the reggae, two separate worlds. also their reggae sucked.

bassbeyondreason
17-03-2018, 11:15 AM
On L.I.E.S.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTkqtFxHC0c

Maybe a bit too polished sonically, but the rhythmic slippage here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsXMPHagQag

Hollywood Africa via Detroit MPC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeQ_WKcD8ZI

Obvious but:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Los0qjV9Ecg

Thanks for the thread, has made me want to create something appropriate.

mistersloane
20-03-2018, 04:36 PM
I rarely got fucked by music by listening to it at home, usually it was live music, occasionally DJs. A memorable one was getting fucked by Claude Young at some Colin Faver night.

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thirdform
05-04-2018, 12:09 AM
this, definitely.

If not a little too free on the funk/rhythm side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOGdAFxe9_0

m99188868
06-04-2018, 01:49 PM
Nkisi

https://soundcloud.com/nkisi/make-me-dance

Mr. Tea
11-04-2018, 12:03 PM
Maybe these are two slow to count as 'hard', I dunno, but I think they fit the bill otherwise.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCSaZ-45_V8

Mr. Tea
11-04-2018, 12:03 PM
Dammit, how come some people are like Dissensus superusers or something can post more than video per post?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6cknS_ZQl4

Leo
11-04-2018, 01:30 PM
you can post multiple videos if you just paste the youtube link right into the body of the post, don't use the thingy up there ^^.

Mr. Tea
11-04-2018, 02:12 PM
you can post multiple videos if you just paste the youtube link right into the body of the post, don't use the thingy up there ^^.

I never use the thingy! Nevermind. But listen to the tunes - these guys are playing near me later in the month, severely tempted.

Mr. Tea
12-04-2018, 11:12 AM
Just discovered this, bloody awesome:


https://youtu.be/Q75GEnHbraQ?list=RD17X-xIBb_tg

chris supercut
12-04-2018, 06:02 PM
i like this a lot. they couldve milked that sound for a couple more records at least


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83kT4QNheV4

Mr. Tea
21-04-2018, 10:39 PM
A Youtube odyssee brought me to this. This thread could have been made for it, I think. Hard, trance-ish, mesmeric ethno-acid, though apparently they're actually Danish.


https://youtu.be/UnZ69D9WAZs

thirdform
21-04-2018, 10:56 PM
First of Earthly Delights comes from Rotterdam-based collective Yr Kultura. Odyssey EP is a record inspired by the trios travels, bringing together a variety of sounds from across the globe. The EPs title is wholly appropriate as Yr Kultura take you on an adventure covering a soundscape that travels from West Africa all the way to India.


am i the only one who really, really hates press releases like this? reminds me too much of hippies.

claphands
22-04-2018, 12:08 AM
Nkisi

https://soundcloud.com/nkisi/make-me-dance

yeah nkisi was the thing i immediately thought of

other things from last year:

Ariwo - To Earth, might not be dark enough, but I feel like it fits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bwNf37RZOk

Nihiloxica - Nilo Chug, basically (to my ears) a tribal/organic version of Prince of Denmark's phenomenal "Latenightjam"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AucFaV54SP0

thirdform
22-04-2018, 04:02 AM
Wonky cologne darkcore from 93. the hardcore end of that scene just keeps giving some seriously evil acid to go absolutely nuts to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l3613eOjAc

Mr. Tea
22-04-2018, 06:14 PM
am i the only one who really, really hates press releases like this? reminds me too much of hippies.

Almost certainly not, but fuck it, a tune is a tune.

Corpsey
22-04-2018, 08:05 PM
https://youtu.be/tByoaeEjcuo

padraig (u.s.)
25-04-2018, 10:44 PM
one of those total wtf records. made by Indo-Trinidadians (I think) so raga, soca, etc but really indescribable. just listen to it. btw flip side isn't really hard but maybe even better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSQ-7qs6PPA

apparently these dudes are way wilder live, which sounds intense cos this is already hard as nails
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXMoN2bg3-s

kinda like if young Drexciya went back in time + made a 130sish bpm mid-80s boogie one-off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbIxkz46TsI

padraig (u.s.)
25-04-2018, 10:57 PM
btw I appreciate people putting up all that slow-midtempo tribal, ethno (made by Europeans) stuff above but man it all kinda smacks of mid-90s ethnic ambient don't it

Banco de Gaia + that. which I'm sure is due for a critical reappraisal, which I will wholeheartedly disagree with cos it all totally sucks, but ymmv.

or like a shittier Hardfloor, specifically the famous Yeke Yeke remix, but w/modern production technology + techniques

tbf I did like that Tapan track quite a bit. there's a fine ymmv line between creolized 4th world awesomeness + cringe ethno dub whatever.

(sidenote: I really loathe "tribal" "ethnic" etc as adjectives but unfortunately they're a v well understood shorthand w/o clear alternatives)

thirdform
25-04-2018, 11:06 PM
btw I appreciate people putting up all that slow-midtempo tribal, ethno (made by Europeans) stuff above but man it all kinda smacks of mid-90s ethnic ambient don't it

Banco de Gaia + that. which I'm sure is due for a critical reappraisal, which I will wholeheartedly disagree with cos it all totally sucks, but ymmv.

or like a shittier Hardfloor, specifically the famous Yeke Yeke remix, but w/modern production technology + techniques

tbf I did like that Tapan track quite a bit. there's a fine ymmv line between creolized 4th world awesomeness + cringe ethno dub whatever.

(sidenote: I really loathe "tribal" "ethnic" etc as adjectives but unfortunately they're a v well understood shorthand w/o clear alternatives)


the day those feed your head comps or children of the bong gets a critical reappraisal I will officially stop listening to music tbh.

baboon2004
25-04-2018, 11:11 PM
On L.I.E.S.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTkqtFxHC0c



always loved that tune, and in what seems to me to be a similar vein:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_813XhH0M4

Mr. Tea
10-05-2018, 01:41 PM
This is pretty amazing. Saw this guy (Jaumet, I mean) live a couple of years ago. He also performs as a band with Zombie Zombie. The original is great but this is just next-level:


https://youtu.be/gbPL5q-OVFY

Mr. Tea
10-05-2018, 02:00 PM
(sidenote: I really loathe "tribal" "ethnic" etc as adjectives but unfortunately they're a v well understood shorthand w/o clear alternatives)

Agreed on both points here, even if I used one of them in a post earlier - it sucks as terminology but does sort of get the point across.