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mistersloane
04-05-2018, 01:36 PM
Following on from the psych and consciousness threads, I got aksed to contribute to a radio show 5 songs that I think are joyous. I'm all about joy but thinking about it - and I've spent 2 days on it this week - alot of what I think of as joyous songs are often super sad, or bring about feelings of ecstasy, or bliss, or partay, but maybe not joy. It's proving to be much harder than I thought.

My basic line on joy is this one, (whichever version you prefer, I prefer the 4hero one), y'know, which is I think obviously joy. What do YOU think joy is on music?

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luka
04-05-2018, 01:41 PM
it's quite a hard thing to capture becasue it is so pure. the most concentrated and distilled version of happiness.
has anyone ever even felt this emotion or is it like trying to draw a perfect circle free hand? approximation is as close as it gets,
every happiness is tainted, like how each of the two spooning sperms of the yin-yang contains an eye of its opposite.

when i think uncomplicated pleasure i think of the american r&b tradition, particularly early 60s and most of the 80s.
but even there expressions of joy are rare. i would say things like rose royce 'im in love' is as joyful as it gets, aretha franklins 'im in love' marvin gayes lets get it on is too sexual i would say but it shares many of the same elements.

that's the sort of zone id be poking about in.

luka
04-05-2018, 01:42 PM
i dont consider le fleur joyous becasue i think its precious and fussy and i think joy is much more open hearted and celebratory than that but horses for courses and all that

luka
04-05-2018, 01:43 PM
basically full throated declarations of giddy love. thats joy.

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 01:44 PM
Yeah I wouldn't do Lets Get It On, maybe My Love Is Waiting, can joy be carnal? I guess so. I'll look at the other ones, link please though, don't be lazy.

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 01:45 PM
basically full throated declarations of giddy love. thats joy.

Oh ok it can be carnal then

sadmanbarty
04-05-2018, 01:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdJyLJMaQMY

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 01:48 PM
i dont consider le fleur joyous becasue i think its precious and fussy and i think joy is much more open hearted and celebratory than that but horses for courses and all that

yeah I think that about the original but the 4hero one kinda smooves over Minnie's...stuff.

I get what you're saying with the Aretha - I've tried a few of hers but they don't make me cry, never have. The Rose Royce one is lovely but doesn't have transcendence for me, which is I think a key component.

luka
04-05-2018, 01:48 PM
Oh ok it can be carnal then

i dont think it is carnal thats the distinction i was drawing.

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 01:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdJyLJMaQMY

Actually yeah pretty good call. I dunno if joy, I think I'd put it at Esmiley, which is nearly joy. But good call.

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 01:51 PM
i dont think it is carnal thats the distinction i was drawing.

I've got a really dirty mind.

sadmanbarty
04-05-2018, 01:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X0EjwF8o0g

luka
04-05-2018, 01:51 PM
and i wasnt being lazy i was just picking things i thought it would be as superfluous as putting up a youtube of elanor rigby.
so what i mean is there is a difference, to my mind, between
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY8ibAA7o14
which doesnt strike me as carnal but as religious music in disguise
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6QZn9xiuOE
which is gloriously carnal. and it yearns. which is not joy. even when it feels good.

luka
04-05-2018, 01:53 PM
yeah I think that about the original but the 4hero one kinda smooves over Minnie's...stuff.

I get what you're saying with the Aretha - I've tried a few of hers but they don't make me cry, never have. The Rose Royce one is lovely but doesn't have transcendence for me, which is I think a key component.

i suppose this is probably where we differ then becasue i think joy is the step b4 ecstacy and transcendence is ecstatic! joy to me
is the fiercest emotion of this world, before the breakpoint of transcendence, which is why i associate it with a kind of earthly but sublimated love.... a cult of love....

luka
04-05-2018, 01:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdJyLJMaQMY

the intense association of english summers with ukg. ice cream vans playing their merry jingles. raffish young men casting wolfish eyes at the young ladies in their sun dresses. jolly games of cricket on the village green. twirling parasols. the return of Marks & Spencers 'Spirit of Summer' picnic food range. oafish toffs with giant thick legs spread wide in the beer garden. pink shirt tucked into navy twill shorts. brown leather belt with shiny buckle. no socks. boat shoes. guffawing.

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 01:58 PM
i suppose this is probably where we differ then becasue i think joy is the step b4 ecstacy and transcendence is ecstatic! joy to me
is the fiercest emotion of this world, before the breakpoint of transcendence, which is why i associate it with a kind of earthly but sublimated love.... a cult of love....

yeah interesting. I don't think I've had - in personal life - transcendence without joy. I've been thinking alot about your Miles n Coltrane stuff, but obviously translating it into Gary Numan and Depeche Mode.

sadmanbarty
04-05-2018, 02:00 PM
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mistersloane
04-05-2018, 02:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X0EjwF8o0g

S Club - not Reach? why not? - are associated with hard time in my life, so unfortunately can't listen to them without crying, really crying not joy crying - so can't go there. Why not Reach though?

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 02:03 PM
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Super great - never heard that before - but party not joy.

sadmanbarty
04-05-2018, 02:04 PM
joy is unadulterated. 'reach' is emotionally multi-faceted; inspirational, asperational, implies a deficit.

CrowleyHead
04-05-2018, 02:07 PM
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Admittedly more rap heavy than I should be thinking but

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 02:08 PM
joy is unadulterated. 'reach' is emotionally multi-faceted; inspirational, asperational, implies a deficit.

Great definition and reason, brilliant thank you

luka
04-05-2018, 02:12 PM
yeah interesting. I don't think I've had - in personal life - transcendence without joy. I've been thinking alot about your Miles n Coltrane stuff, but obviously translating it into Gary Numan and Depeche Mode.

obviously!

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 02:13 PM
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Admittedly more rap heavy than I should be thinking but

Good call actually, haven't thought about the earlier electro stuff. That Tyler album is really interesting. I don't like it but I'm really happy he made it.

luka
04-05-2018, 02:14 PM
but have you had joy without transcendence. i mean this is just the way ive personally defined the word for myself
to me its like this

baseline
this aint bad
i actually feel alright tbh
wait a minute...
am i.....
happy?
i think
i think
this is
happiness?
it really feels good!
bloody hell it's escalating
it's joy! joy! joy!
halleluhjah
WHITE LIGHT
CUT OUT POINT
TRANSCENDENCE
GURGLING BLISS
ECSTACY
return.


so that joy takes place before the cut out. at the highest pitch before transcendence when you can
hold it still as immanence though its threatening to dematerialise.

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 02:16 PM
obviously!

Gary Numan is just this perpetual plateau, whereas Depeche always went for the immanence. I don't particularly like either of them (see also Davis and Coltrane) which is why I kinda translated them into it. Obviously listen and appreciate all of them etc etc.

sadmanbarty
04-05-2018, 02:20 PM
the song that got woebot back into blogging

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgrr1sjOAKI

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 02:20 PM
but have you had joy without transcendence. i mean this is just the way ive personally defined the word for myself
to me its like this

baseline
this aint bad
i actually feel alright tbh
wait a minute...
am i.....
happy?
i think
i think
this is
happiness?
it really feels good!
bloody hell it's escalating
it's joy! joy! joy!
halleluhjah
WHITE LIGHT
CUT OUT POINT
TRANSCENDENCE
GURGLING BLISS
ECSTACY
return.


so that joy takes place before the cut out. at the highest pitch before transcendence when you can
hold it still as immanence though its threatening to dematerialise.

mistersloane be like :

I hate this, this is shit
oh wait this is fun
oh this is really good fun
oh this is reaaaaaaally good fun
oh I'm happy
oh I'm reaaaaaaallly happy
*superblaster*
oh I'm joyous
then
God is love etc etc

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 02:24 PM
mistersloane be like :

I hate this, this is shit
oh wait this is fun
oh this is really good fun
oh this is reaaaaaaally good fun
oh I'm happy
oh I'm reaaaaaaallly happy
*superblaster*
oh I'm joyous
then
God is love etc etc

So yeah you're right. Songs like that, please.

Numbers
04-05-2018, 02:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRPkHzAsT0U

Always makes me smile with joy. Not much music has that effect on me.

luka
04-05-2018, 02:25 PM
So yeah you're right. Songs like that, please.

it's stressful recommending songs to you cos its impossible to predict what youre guna hate!

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 02:29 PM
it's stressful recommending songs to you cos its impossible to predict what youre guna hate!

hehe spin the wheel. I don't really HATE anything except Joni Mitchell.

luka
04-05-2018, 02:31 PM
im trying to work out if curtis mayfield ever reaches the right pitch of intensity and full-throatedness for this thread
i want him too becasue hes one of my few heroes.

luka
04-05-2018, 02:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8USz7gb2RGQ

ah, its the obvious one.... it's always the obvious one.
you cant hide joy in a 'deep cut'

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 02:34 PM
Do you get this 10 pounds bag of fat advert when you click on this link?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CC2M5868LM

luka
04-05-2018, 02:37 PM
theres an exhileration and a huge sense of fun in junior walkers music, but is it joy?
if youre receptive it can make you feel joyful, expansive, heart swollen, breathing big ragged delicious breaths

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI7CtxlisCk

luka
04-05-2018, 02:38 PM
realise that will be firmly behind the barbed wire and breezeblocks of the time barrier for most of you.

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 02:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8USz7gb2RGQ

ah, its the obvious one.... it's always the obvious one.
you cant hide joy in a 'deep cut'

Obviously Curtis is genius. Me? I never found him joyous at all, see what Barty said (explained it better than me). I love Curtis but no. Maybe all the joy has gone in me. Looking at it, some people say joy is a thing that you live with, some people say joy isn't pleasure. I equate joy with an awakening, y'know, the religious thing. I get it with Curtis and that track and we play it alot but it doesn't send me to joy, just happeniness. Happeniness :)

sadmanbarty
04-05-2018, 02:40 PM
at his core luka's a drunk jamaican uncle dancing too close to the barbecue and feeling nostalgic.

sadmanbarty
04-05-2018, 02:40 PM
maybe we all are

luka
04-05-2018, 02:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSoPeZMHMf4

again i feel im just one or two degrees short of joy here. falling foul of the sensible party/joy distinction.

luka
04-05-2018, 02:42 PM
at his core luka's a drunk jamaican uncle dancing too close to the barbecue and feeling nostalgic.

the compulsion to dance is strongly linked to joy to me. like not being able to help it. whats the name of the thing
in the um, novel, fuck

luka
04-05-2018, 02:44 PM
becasue its the body throwing off the shackles isnt it. taking the brakes off. showing you how to enjoy.

Set in 1920s New York City, the novel depicts the elderly Harlem houngan PaPa LaBas and his companion Black Herman racing
against the Wallflower Order, an international conspiracy dedicated to monotheism and control, as they attempt to root out the cause of and deal with the "Jes Grew" virus, a personification of ragtime, jazz, polytheism, and freedom.

Leo
04-05-2018, 02:45 PM
https://youtu.be/afIMy4xyRRM

sadmanbarty
04-05-2018, 02:46 PM
becasue its the body throwing off the shackles isnt it.

but it's still the body- hence why it's joy and not transcendence.

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 02:46 PM
becasue its the body throwing off the shackles isnt it. taking the brakes off. showing you how to enjoy.

Set in 1920s New York City, the novel depicts the elderly Harlem houngan PaPa LaBas and his companion Black Herman racing

Beware the Petro Loa

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 02:47 PM
maybe we all are

We all are. Playing the dominos of life.

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 02:48 PM
Incidentally, if anyone is a small, you can buy a Killah Priest Tshirt here for 2 dollar

https://www.mltd.com/product/killah-priest-logo-tshirt-1794

sadmanbarty
04-05-2018, 02:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPgcdOVuX8Q

luka
04-05-2018, 02:50 PM
craner is tiny. he could esaiy wear that. i'll buy it for him.

bjork (who you hate but bear with me) described jungle music as 'fierce joy'
which i still think is great and i still nick that line all the time.

luka
04-05-2018, 02:51 PM
i just mention that cos ive been fatally distracted by
https://www.mixcloud.com/Dizzyuk/jumpin-jack-frost-the-history-of-amnesia-house-the-institute-birmingham-6111993/

sadmanbarty
04-05-2018, 02:53 PM
oliver craner's entry music. bond suit, bow tie, champers in one hand, a peruvian bombshell in the other

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pjCcIh9O5c

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 03:00 PM
oliver craner's entry music. bond suit, bow tie, champers in one hand, a peruvian bombshell in the other

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pjCcIh9O5c

He's got hoes in NY in DKNY

Very close, but again, partay not joy. Fun isn't the same as joy, I don't think. I don't have a religious background but mebbe being over whatsit with it, but I don't think so. I went over alot of the Bad Boy stuff when I was researching this, cos love it, but just partay. Sooooooooooooo good though, fuxxake.

luka
04-05-2018, 03:01 PM
yeah i do think there is a liminal zone though where the party can attain a joyous dimension.
think of how all that early house and garage (ny/chicago) lot talked for instance.

sadmanbarty
04-05-2018, 03:02 PM
i know, i just get over excited when someone mentions craner. i just want to poke him and play with him. like when a toddler can't stop harassing a perturbed cat.

luka
04-05-2018, 03:02 PM
i 100% accept and agree it's a distinction and a dividing line but also i think there are records that blur it or even obliterate it

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 03:03 PM
i just mention that cos ive been fatally distracted by
https://www.mixcloud.com/Dizzyuk/jumpin-jack-frost-the-history-of-amnesia-house-the-institute-birmingham-6111993/

Ecstasy, not joy, yes. Maybe, joy in a mix, in a night? It's late here, I'll leave you to it. Thank you.

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 03:07 PM
i just mention that cos ive been fatally distracted by
https://www.mixcloud.com/Dizzyuk/jumpin-jack-frost-the-history-of-amnesia-house-the-institute-birmingham-6111993/

Grooverider was a really nice guy.

luka
04-05-2018, 03:07 PM
yeah i do think there is a liminal zone though where the party can attain a joyous dimension.
think of how all that early house and garage (ny/chicago) lot talked for instance.

like id want to claim this record for that liminal zone. the chorus for me reaches that pitch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH3giaIzONA

luka
04-05-2018, 03:08 PM
like when it kicks in i cant contain myself. i swell up. fit to burst. it fills me. (is that useful? being filled lol)

Corpsey
04-05-2018, 03:09 PM
Wake up Boo by the Boo Radleys

Really encapsulates that toe tappin its good to be alive in 1995 feeling

luka
04-05-2018, 03:09 PM
nah thats full on joy thats the real thing im feeling joy right now so powerful and perfect

luka
04-05-2018, 03:10 PM
mastery expresses joy.

it's why you cant have joyful indie.

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 03:10 PM
like id want to claim this record for that liminal zone. the chorus for me reaches that pitch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH3giaIzONA

I was obsessed with her for a moment. Can't find the footage I used to use of her in that video but I used it alot.

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luka
04-05-2018, 03:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH3giaIzONA

rewind. cant play this song only once. its got me thinking off the wall/thriller to for the same reason.
mastery. command. power. exhilaration of that.

Corpsey
04-05-2018, 03:13 PM
Twenty five
Don't recall a time I felt this alive

Corpsey
04-05-2018, 03:14 PM
Joy belongs to the young

The older I get the more pathos I find in joy

Corpsey
04-05-2018, 03:15 PM
And the pathos of the joy in Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston, given their respective destinies, is a great example of that

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 03:15 PM
like when it kicks in i cant contain myself. i swell up. fit to burst. it fills me. (is that useful? being filled lol)

Carnal joy, man.

luka
04-05-2018, 03:15 PM
Joy belongs to the young

The older I get the more pathos I find in joy

fuckking hell corpse youre only 30! im sitting here alone killing myself laughing feeling so great just by invoking joy and playing whitney on repeat. me and barty will make you joyful mate. we know a special technique. get yourself south of the river.

luka
04-05-2018, 03:16 PM
And the pathos of the joy in Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston, given their respective destinies, is a great example of that

fucking hell... im a bit down now :(

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 03:24 PM
I mean, I've had to write about the songs I've chosen (which aren't fixed yet) and I've listed that joy can be angry, joy can be sad, joy can be drugs, joy can be suicide, I don't think joy is restricted, it's just a route to freedom, or maybe freedom itself.

Sorry I never liked that Boo Radleys song.

I think, Luka, that this is joyous, so negates the idea that indie can't be. I think it's harmonies. Voices together. Remember that?

PS if you think you know this song, this version is better than you thought :

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sadmanbarty
04-05-2018, 03:30 PM
I mean, I've had to write about the songs I've chosen (which aren't fixed yet) and I've listed that joy can be angry, joy can be sad, joy can be drugs, joy can be suicide, I don't think joy is restricted, it's just a route to freedom, or maybe freedom itself.

diabolical hedonism. i'd say it's not joy, but physiologically feels the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGh0yVtQbLA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wfpXI5PKlw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4l2e80vR0w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYnFIRc0k6E

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 03:31 PM
Joy belongs to the young

The older I get the more pathos I find in joy

@Corpsey. The more time I spend with old people, the more they bring joy.

And anyway, what about elephants

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luka
04-05-2018, 03:36 PM
I mean, I've had to write about the songs I've chosen (which aren't fixed yet) and I've listed that joy can be angry, joy can be sad, joy can be drugs, joy can be suicide, I don't think joy is restricted, it's just a route to freedom, or maybe freedom itself.

Sorry I never liked that Boo Radleys song.

I think, Luka, that this is joyous, so negates the idea that indie can't be. I think it's harmonies. Voices together. Remember that?

PS if you think you know this song, this version is better than you thought :

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i do like that song but i find the voices and the sound flat and muddy (i have this problem with the beatles) and it has almost a dirge like drag that stops it achieving lift off in the way the chorus should enable it to do. or maybe im just prejudice!

sadmanbarty
04-05-2018, 03:37 PM
this is what corpsey hears when you put whitney houston on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5CVsCnxyXg

luka
04-05-2018, 03:38 PM
diabolical hedonism. i'd say it's not joy, but physiologically feels the same.

i dont need to point out that this is something we hold in common. it taps into what sloane was saying about freedom i think. and into what i was saying about the body throwing off the shackles. it's very energising and powerful.

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 03:40 PM
i do like that song but i find the voices and the sound flat and muddy (i have this problem with the beatles) and it has almost a dirge like drag that stops it achieving lift off in the way the chorus should enable it to do. or maybe im just prejudice!

Yeah it's a weird one that song. In the right place, at the right time, I could put that on and I could make you weep. But maybe Dissensus isn't the right forum, which means it isn't quite right. See Lee Mathers problem all his life.

yyaldrin
04-05-2018, 03:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf4P_AMWK2Q
rly joyful

yyaldrin
04-05-2018, 03:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHxc3e2TJXc

luka
04-05-2018, 03:44 PM
this thread is the first shot fired in WORLD LOVE 1
)))))) :love: ((((((

yyaldrin
04-05-2018, 03:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YcJ_L9z2Xs

luka
04-05-2018, 03:46 PM
i dont need to point out that this is something we hold in common. it taps into what sloane was saying about freedom i think. and into what i was saying about the body throwing off the shackles. it's very energising and powerful.

theres a very specific point where you tip over from angelic love to getting fucked by a demon. it's a fascinating point of transition.
a completely different energy. (not necessarily talking about sex just picking up on the use of the term diabolic which is absolutely the correct word)

yyaldrin
04-05-2018, 03:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BRblY_5i5o
played this an entire summer once. one day my mate was cleaning the bar he worked at, late at night. it was summer and all the guest left. we had this song on loud and outside a shiny car stopped, some beautiful ladies got out and posed on the car before going in the empty bar where they danced on this song very sensually. they left when the song ended.

luka
04-05-2018, 03:50 PM
The Voice of the Devil

All Bibles or sacred codes have been the causes of the following Errors:ó 5
1. That Man has two real existing principles, viz. a Body and a Soul. 6
2. That Energy, callíd Evil, is alone from the Body; and that Reason, callíd Good, is alone from the Soul. 7
3. That God will torment Man in Eternity for following his Energies. 8
But the following Contraries to these are True:ó 9
1. Man has no Body distinct from his Soul; for that callíd Body is a portion of Soul discerníd by the five Senses, the chief inlets of Soul in this age. 10
2. Energy is the only life, and is from the Body; and Reason is the bound or outward circumference of Energy. 11
3. Energy is Eternal Delight.

:fire::fire::fire::fire:

yyaldrin
04-05-2018, 03:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWhrQZM88U8 last one

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 03:53 PM
5:27 "Green Man Gotta Make A Change"

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yyaldrin
04-05-2018, 03:56 PM
a good thing to do as well is when you're moody and want to cheer up is to watch dance video's on youtube, azonto, afrobeat, kuduro that sort of. this is still one of the best it's 100% pure JOY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfcKzQg9IxU

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 03:58 PM
theres a very specific point where you tip over from angelic love to getting fucked by a demon. it's a fascinating point of transition.
a completely different energy. (not necessarily talking about sex just picking up on the use of the term diabolic which is absolutely the correct word)

I kinda think if you are talking about getting fucked by a daemon, then you are kinda talking bout sex. Sorry darlin.

luka
04-05-2018, 03:58 PM
5:27 "Green Man Gotta Make A Change"

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BAD was the first album i owned. this was my favourite song. it made me feel stuff. i somehow saw the lyrics written down, i
think in a smash hits or something, and from seeing them written down they all just stuck in my head and i can sing along
with it to this day. turned up the collar on
my favourite winter coat....

luka
04-05-2018, 04:00 PM
I kinda think if you are talking about getting fucked by a daemon, then you are kinda talking bout sex. Sorry darlin.

it all folds into each other ultimately

luka
04-05-2018, 04:09 PM
just in terms of crossing from one zone to another. how stark the difference is. start growling.

luka
04-05-2018, 04:14 PM
what famous songs have the word joy in the title?

theres a classical ode to joy isnt there?

oh! wait, i thought of something that used to make me happy....

i think joy is tricky.. few songs clear that hurdle...but, maybe...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg12F_4qwBU

mistersloane
04-05-2018, 04:35 PM
it all folds into each other ultimately

Yup, it's about how high up the fuck heirarchy you can go.

But, joy records please not blog ego

luka
04-05-2018, 04:48 PM
Yup, it's about how high up the fuck heirarchy you can go.

But, joy records please not blog ego

you said the word heirarchy i never!

luka
04-05-2018, 04:49 PM
so what songs have the word joy in the title? and are they joyous?

luka
04-05-2018, 04:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMOz1w8p-oc

is this the best song with the word joy in the title?

luka
04-05-2018, 04:55 PM
List Rules
Songs must have joy in the title.

You'd be surprised how many there are, so we're ranking the best songs about joy. Do you have a favorite joy song with joy in the title? We want you to vote for your favorite songs about joy, whether it's a country song about someone named Joy, a joy rock song, or anything in between. You can even add a song to the list if it's not already here, as long as it's a song with joy in the title or lyrics. https://www.ranker.com/list/the-best-songs-about-joys/reference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfmXa2DpTeM

luka
04-05-2018, 05:00 PM
right i think i better pass the baton on with this one. great thread. improved my mood, which was already good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtRgKvLkLHM

Leo
04-05-2018, 05:41 PM
so what songs have the word joy in the title? and are they joyous?

posted one up thread a few hours ago but you tweet/post so friggin' much that it's already buried about four pages ago! :)

woops
04-05-2018, 05:43 PM
so what songs have the word joy in the title? and are they joyous?

oh god do we have to. this reminds me of when hauntology was big and at one point a top blogger posted a list of about 100000000 tunes with the word ghost in the title. what's the point

luka
04-05-2018, 05:44 PM
posted one up thread a few hours ago but you tweet/post so friggin' much that it's already buried about four pages ago! :)

well it had been slow!

woops
04-05-2018, 05:48 PM
right here goes. song title with joyful y/n in brackets afterwards.

joy(n)
ecstatic joy(n)
i feel joy(n)
where's the joy(y)
i love joy division(n)
joy of sex(y)
sex joy(n)
my joy lollipop(y)
100% joy(n)
we call it j.o.y.(y/n bridge is good)
im gonna joy you up(n)
gimme joy(n)

etc

sufi
04-05-2018, 06:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RvfDkzUOos

luka
04-05-2018, 06:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YOoG5cvBq8

padraig (u.s.)
04-05-2018, 06:31 PM
ya, great thread concept

if someone held a gun to my head + demanded my one joyful song recommendation, it might just be this

u can definitely hear the origin of young Whitney + Madonna but 1) Gwen was a true diva on that OTHER level 2) that Sly/Robbie/Wally Badarou magic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=434tO5XR270

padraig (u.s.)
04-05-2018, 06:32 PM
wistful, highly literate - that is to say, French - joy as aspirational beauty

it's literally an ode to the joy in Ella Fitzgerald's voice, the joy of experiencing that joy, in a kind of anti-racist context
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm2vvGWvxgM

normally I think block c+p lyrics is gauche but this is a rare justified case

(translated from French obv)
It's like joy
Like a smile
Something in her voice
That appears to ask us to come
That makes us feel strangely good
It's like the whole story
Of black people
That is swinging
Between love and despair
Some things that dance in you
If you have got it, youíve got it
She, she has it
I dont know what this is
That others do not have
That brings us in a funny state
She, she has it
She, this strange voice
She, this strange joy
This gift from heaven that makes it beautiful
She, she has it, She, she has it
She, she has it
She, she has it
She has that little extra soul
That indefinable charm
This small flame
Struck on barrels
On pianos
On whatever god can put in her hands
Show your laugh or your sorrow
But you donít have anything, that makes you the king
That you still look for the powers that sleep in you
You see, it does not buy
When you have it, you have it
She, she has it
I dont know what this is
That others do not have
That brings us in a funny state
She, she has it

padraig (u.s.)
04-05-2018, 06:40 PM
I c u luka + sufi (Brenda Fassie!) repping South Africa

to me township music, bubblegum->kwaito can sound like the most joyous music ever created

still haven't been able to put my finger on exactly why, ofc the individual sonic elements, aesthetic, the context, the whole gestalt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMtnoY_JkcY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLUFjp_XtTU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB2jK2JsCuM

padraig (u.s.)
04-05-2018, 06:43 PM
talking about South Africa, the 2nd worst thing about Graceland is that other contemporary Westerners were making vastly better African-influenced records

this is a long-time personal favorite. love me some LMD in general, best disco not disco chanteuse not chanteuse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RnZQGTtGyw

this is like a joyous follow-up to Smalltown Boy - don't give up, together we'll break these chains of love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J2OlIpQgF8

another long-time fave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3X-16X76TA

padraig (u.s.)
04-05-2018, 06:43 PM
I've put this up before but still. Shaun Ryder's favorite Factory release, + the best thing Bernard Sumner has ever done (no hyperbole, I really believe that)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA22fKMDSlY

Mr. Tea
04-05-2018, 06:45 PM
i dont consider le fleur joyous becasue i think its precious and fussy


https://youtu.be/-QPJoRWz8Sc

I've had to leave the room while listening to this at Rich's old place after coming back from a club because it was actually unbearably beautiful.

Mr. Tea
04-05-2018, 06:46 PM
This is probably the most joyful thing I've ever heard:


https://youtu.be/L2VjZGd8sDQ

padraig (u.s.)
04-05-2018, 06:51 PM
a lot of disco classics - Love Is the Message, Young Hearts Run Free, That's Where the Happy People Go, Ain't No Stopping Us Now, etc

that entire side of black dance music - the electronic black soul continuum - the transference of spiritual ecstasy to body joy

Walter Gibbons repurposing Stand On the Word into a disco-> house context. Ron Hardy smashing the New York Community Choir at his first residency.

that endless push/pull spirit/secular spirit/body tension

there's a definite large gay liberation element in that mix too - the joy of liberation. I was born this way, born to be alive, etc

anyway, this is the purest distillation of house music into joy I can think of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hamT4XESYG0

padraig (u.s.)
04-05-2018, 06:53 PM
This is probably the most joyful thing I've ever heard
that's a good one

undercut with drugs, shades + leather jacket pre-70s NYC bad vibes, LR's brittle weirdness, etc

but perhaps all the more joyous for that, like how a nominal comedy can sometimes extract greater drama than drama by playing against type

padraig (u.s.)
04-05-2018, 06:59 PM
nothing says joy like a family band of Mormon Polynesian teens from Minnesota doing v mid-80s young Whitney/Madonna post-electro

leaves We Don't Have to Take Our Clothes Off in the dust in the precious sexual innocence Grand Prix

(famous sample 2.5 min for any trainspotters)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiittB5ZP2s

padraig (u.s.)
04-05-2018, 07:06 PM
a lot of italo is probably too dark, louche, naff, European, or whatever but there's some definite joy anthems lurking in there

this is the most obvious one I can think of. have listened to it probably 100+ times in my life + I still get weird chills when she sing-raps in Italian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5aY76ZxMw

padraig (u.s.)
04-05-2018, 07:07 PM
alrite luka etc your move, I'll check in later

luka
04-05-2018, 07:09 PM
I've had to leave the room while listening to this at Rich's old place after coming back from a club because it was actually unbearably beautiful.

you were on drugs and highly suggestible. also probably overdue a wank. backed up.

it's not that i dont like the song, it just doesnt fit my definition of joy. if you look through the thread we all have a different take on it. padraig for instance doesnt associate joy with energy. he associates it with soft, pleasant sounds, in the way a brasilian might for instance. and look at how woops bridles at the word itself. for sloane it is religious.

droid
04-05-2018, 07:10 PM
Yeah, great thread.

I must confess to a deep and abiding hatred of that 4 Hero tune.

Too frazzled to think deeply, but Renegade Snares must be an exemplar? Also, was listening back to this recently and reckon its quite joyous - the template for jungle diva pop and perhaps the only one that really worked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npAAmD6tCa8

Big fan of the Potential Bad Boy mix as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiboOOO3blc

Reggae and particulalry rocksteady... full of joyous tunes. The joy of music itself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QQVmP_rpZU

The joy of niceness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9doKNfp3a0

Joy in the morning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9LIyreyyzA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uxNRaaB99Q

Probably a ton of Doo Wop that fits too.

luka
04-05-2018, 07:11 PM
it's not a thread about songs i like or give me pleasure it's about songs which embody and communicate joy. it's quite an exalted category!
(this is me continuing to justify myself to tea)

luka
04-05-2018, 07:14 PM
nothing says joy like a family band of Mormon Polynesian teens from Minnesota doing v mid-80s young Whitney/Madonna post-electro

leaves We Don't Have to Take Our Clothes Off in the dust in the precious sexual innocence Grand Prix

(famous sample 2.5 min for any trainspotters)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiittB5ZP2s

i downloaded this song as part of a bundle on the torrents in about 2005ish and never knew a thing about it.
i was always curious cos its clearly 'odd' slightly. great story. Minnesota doesnt sound like a natural destination
for Polynesians but i guess that church sends them wherever it wants to. theyve made massive inroads into
Polynesian communities.

luka
04-05-2018, 09:36 PM
posted one up thread a few hours ago but you tweet/post so friggin' much that it's already buried about four pages ago! :)

also i had to go into away from dissensus and the company of men to dwell in the wilderness for 3 weeks and undergo temptations and trials so now im back i thought i should make up for lost time.

droid
04-05-2018, 10:38 PM
Every atom that meets these waves is permeated by joy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnCex9IwVsc

And this. Gospel repurposed. A hymn of grief & faith, but also of the intense joy of music, the temporal call of the dance and the irresistible compulsion of song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVvKMcbyWNg

luka
05-05-2018, 09:24 AM
droid are those songs which for you both express and instill unadulterated joy?

yesterday i wrote and then deleted a whole long thing about Impressions era Curtis (minstrel & queen)
after deciding the music had a ruefulness about it that made it stop short of joy. that the emotions were too mixed and complex,
the performances and the song writing too nuanced, too intelligent and sensitive to sit plumb with this thread.

droid
05-05-2018, 02:38 PM
Yeah, there is nuance there, I agree. With the uniques though I think that bassline transmutes the ambiguity of the Mayfield and the combination with the harmonies pushes it up the joyfullness scale.

The Tenor Saw is more complex though. More of a joyful yearning tinged with sadness.

I dunno though, is it possible to have joy without pain, yearning, sorrow? Doesn't the very idea of joy conjure nostalgia and regret? When was the last time you felt truly joyful?

Incidentally, its a source of perennial confusion that the queen majesty riddim is based on Minstrel & Queen whereas the Queen of the Minstrel Riddim isnt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF_Bkk1P1rY

mistersloane
06-05-2018, 10:09 AM
wistful, highly literate - that is to say, French - joy as aspirational beauty

it's literally an ode to the joy in Ella Fitzgerald's voice, the joy of experiencing that joy, in a kind of anti-racist context
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm2vvGWvxgM

normally I think block c+p lyrics is gauche but this is a rare justified case

(translated from French obv)
It's like joy
Like a smile
Something in her voice
That appears to ask us to come
That makes us feel strangely good
It's like the whole story
Of black people
That is swinging
Between love and despair
Some things that dance in you
If you have got it, youíve got it
She, she has it
I dont know what this is
That others do not have
That brings us in a funny state
She, she has it
She, this strange voice
She, this strange joy
This gift from heaven that makes it beautiful
She, she has it, She, she has it
She, she has it
She, she has it
She has that little extra soul
That indefinable charm
This small flame
Struck on barrels
On pianos
On whatever god can put in her hands
Show your laugh or your sorrow
But you donít have anything, that makes you the king
That you still look for the powers that sleep in you
You see, it does not buy
When you have it, you have it
She, she has it
I dont know what this is
That others do not have
That brings us in a funny state
She, she has it


OMG yes. I'd totally forgotten about France Gall, thank you. Poupee De Cire, my god, how joy is that one too?

mistersloane
06-05-2018, 12:08 PM
https://youtu.be/-QPJoRWz8Sc

I've had to leave the room while listening to this at Rich's old place after coming back from a club because it was actually unbearably beautiful.

Fkin hell really?

mistersloane
06-05-2018, 12:13 PM
This is probably the most joyful thing I've ever heard:


https://youtu.be/L2VjZGd8sDQ

That was on my list, not that version though. I play the Velvet Undergound increasingly, so much, so varied, so good sometimes. This version of What Goes On - if you haven't gone through their live stuff do, it's much better in some ways, check out the Matrix Tapes :

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mistersloane
06-05-2018, 12:33 PM
Well, if that's all your ideas of joy, then I'm definitely not shagging any of you.

mistersloane
06-05-2018, 12:34 PM
this is like a joyous follow-up to Smalltown Boy - don't give up, together we'll break these chains of love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J2OlIpQgF8



I think that video of the guy in the tube singing A Little Respect is amazing re : joy

mistersloane
06-05-2018, 12:37 PM
The Tenor Saw is more complex though. More of a joyful yearning tinged with sadness.

I dunno though, is it possible to have joy without pain, yearning, sorrow? Doesn't the very idea of joy conjure nostalgia and regret? When was the last time you felt truly joyful?



Yeah I went through that as well trying to choose my 5, joy in suicide, joy in angst, joy in burning things down, feeling joy in sorrow, it's a really hard one, hence aksing for help, or thinking it was interesting, cos I thought it would be easy and I'm a week and half in now and still trying to work it out.

mistersloane
06-05-2018, 12:42 PM
droid are those songs which for you both express and instill unadulterated joy?

yesterday i wrote and then deleted a whole long thing about Impressions era Curtis (minstrel & queen)
after deciding the music had a ruefulness about it that made it stop short of joy. that the emotions were too mixed and complex,
the performances and the song writing too nuanced, too intelligent and sensitive to sit plumb with this thread.

I think that's accurate re Curtis, for me too commercially determined to ever reach joy.

droid
06-05-2018, 08:01 PM
On a purely musical level, always found this riddim to be deeply joyful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCW_z939B58

Perhaps most exemplified by the chart bound knock off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFtLONl4cNc

And even the meta commentary contains traces of joy along with Sibbles bafflement and self aggrandisement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leacNYFpi74

padraig (u.s.)
07-05-2018, 03:12 AM
padraig for instance doesnt associate joy with energy. he associates it with soft, pleasant sounds, in the way a brasilian might for instance

not really tho. there's a recency bias cos so much of my listening nowadays is in that greater disco continuum, but a lot of those tracks are highly energetic.

listen to the South African records I put up - the more township/bubblegum especially can get pretty wild

it's true I wouldn't associate joyous music with abrasiveness or harshness, tho as with anything I'm sure there's some exception or another

actually I wouldn't really associate joy with soft + pleasant either. soft especially. unless you just mean major keys + general positivity.

I guess I kind of associate joy with uplifting, maybe that's the difference - i.e. why I find so many gospel-influenced disco + house records joyous.

whereas something like ardkore I would call euphoric rather than joyous.

padraig (u.s.)
07-05-2018, 03:17 AM
I mean the joy in this

granted it's definitely a record I can see making people weep, but tears of happiness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj-qAapm3zc

(btw never knew until recently that that's where Ten City got "That's The Way Love Is" from, one of very favorite house tracks of all time)

padraig (u.s.)
07-05-2018, 03:18 AM
I think that video of the guy in the tube singing A Little Respect is amazing re : joy
I watched that, ya very nice moment - that's what I'm saying, the kind of record people joyously sing together on a subway platform

luka
07-05-2018, 07:29 AM
I guess I kind of associate joy with uplifting, maybe that's the difference

joy=uplifting is not something i would argue with.

luka
07-05-2018, 08:44 AM
u can definitely hear the origin of young Whitney + Madonna but 1) Gwen was a true diva on that OTHER level

dont think no one spotted this dad opinion btw. slyly trying to conflate whitney with madonna like it is in any way the same thing!

luka
07-05-2018, 08:53 AM
i think becasue youre that older generation youre devoted to an idea of 'hip' that strikes people from my generation as dated and outmoded and self-limiting. im sure my tastes will appear the same to people in the generation below mine mind you.

luka
07-05-2018, 09:18 AM
it's a connoisseur's aesthetic and it's very closely tied to record collecting and the conventions and certainties of the 1980s and '90s. it would be interesting to analyse i think but i have to go and do some work for a change.

padraig (u.s.)
07-05-2018, 11:08 AM
i think becasue youre that older generation
you know I'm your age or possibly younger, right? I'm 34. pretty sure I hold none of the opinions about hipness, taste, etc you're ascribing to me.

you've mentioned this before but I though it was an inscrutable luka in-joke so I never cleared it up.

also tbc I was only conflating them in the sense of shorthand for mid-80s club-derived, post-disco pop music, mostly in their production but also their cultural positioning as chanteuses. Madonna was (loosely) a pop take on the Mudd Club/Funhouse/left field side + Whitney on the electronic black soul side, just meant they both branch from that generation of true disco + post-disco divas - Guthrie, Jocelyn Brown, etc and their production branches off post-disco too, i.e. you can hear some of their origins in Gwen Guthrie.

padraig (u.s.)
07-05-2018, 11:13 AM
also I've never collected records ever. I've pretty much always thought serious record collecting - besides pre-digital DJ functionality - was dumb + pointless. I think all non-functional art collection is dumb, either hoarding or art speculation. just go buy some real estate or whatever. originally formed that opinion as a kid watching punk collector bros pay stupid $$$ for old Japanese/Italian/whatever hardcore 7"s. not that it matters, but just tbc.

anyway, back to joyous music.

luka
07-05-2018, 08:31 PM
you know I'm your age or possibly younger, right? I'm 34. pretty sure I hold none of the opinions about hipness, taste, etc you're ascribing to me.

you've mentioned this before but I though it was an inscrutable luka in-joke so I never cleared it up.

also tbc I was only conflating them in the sense of shorthand for mid-80s club-derived, post-disco pop music, mostly in their production but also their cultural positioning as chanteuses. Madonna was (loosely) a pop take on the Mudd Club/Funhouse/left field side + Whitney on the electronic black soul side, just meant they both branch from that generation of true disco + post-disco divas - Guthrie, Jocelyn Brown, etc and their production branches off post-disco too, i.e. you can hear some of their origins in Gwen Guthrie.

wtf 34?!!!! i assumed you were late 40s.im older than you! time to pull rank here i think.

craner
07-05-2018, 09:10 PM
Dissensus is now full of Young Turks pushing 40, or actually 40.

craner
07-05-2018, 09:37 PM
https://youtu.be/2VuyQuRAsHI

On the Waltzers, joy!

luka
07-05-2018, 09:38 PM
ah right yeah good choice. whats that other one that i like even more called craner?

craner
07-05-2018, 09:39 PM
https://youtu.be/M0quXl_od3g

On the Waltzers, joy!

craner
07-05-2018, 09:42 PM
https://youtu.be/L36m5sobhOE

On the Waltzers, joy!

craner
07-05-2018, 09:44 PM
This is very much a UK kids at the fair early 90s version of joy, which I experienced.

luka
07-05-2018, 09:46 PM
This is very much a UK kids at the fair early 90s version of joy, which I experienced.

joy markers
luke-tripping balls
barty-gurning orgasm
padraig-disco record with walter gibbons remix
craner-funfair aged 7

craner
07-05-2018, 09:48 PM
True, but I was probably 13

craner
07-05-2018, 09:54 PM
Also the original Mariah 'Fantasy' minus ODB is pure joy:

https://youtu.be/qq09UkPRdFY

luka
07-05-2018, 09:55 PM
im listening to let me be your fantasy at the moment by a very minor coincidence.
not giving me joy admittedly. i'll give sweet harmony a go.
that always sent serious fucking shivers up my spine when i was kid.

craner
07-05-2018, 09:57 PM
Like you said, Whitney is joy:

https://youtu.be/zbLjJ6x2Hgs

craner
07-05-2018, 09:59 PM
Let's not mess around, I'm with you on this. But you know that. Others do straight edge hardcore punk, we do this.

luka
07-05-2018, 10:00 PM
Let's not mess around, I'm with you on this. But you know that. Others do straight edge hardcore punk, we do this.

i appreciate the solidarity comrade.

craner
07-05-2018, 10:03 PM
https://youtu.be/J-eeL1S936s

Totally got the wrong mix for this. It was the single version that got hammered on the Waltzers. Everyone loved it, apart from the wankers listening to Ride.

luka
07-05-2018, 10:09 PM
ive thought of a really good one

luka
07-05-2018, 10:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ro8-ngA8gs


its too much!

craner
07-05-2018, 10:15 PM
I've thought of a really good one.

https://youtu.be/ObjLb6ElTvs

craner
07-05-2018, 10:16 PM
It's too fucking much!

sadmanbarty
07-05-2018, 10:30 PM
i can't wait to take craner to the funfair. get his face painted. candyfloss. he'll have too much sugar and have a tantrum on the bus back from blackheath.

padraig (u.s.)
08-05-2018, 02:19 AM
padraig-disco record with walter gibbons remix
ya OK you've got me there, more or less, maybe not Gibbons necessarily but correct sentiment

Gibbons specifically did have some highly joyous remixes but not all of them. his tracks are usually extended 12 minute workouts full of peaks + valleys, clattering layers of percussion, piano, long minimal grooves, soaring cut up diva snippets, drop outs, instruments + voices cutting in + out, random noises. he truly was the Lee Perry mad scientist of disco to Levan's (I guess) King Tubby. some of his tracks are sultry (Hit + Run), melancholic (Set It Off), some are full on avant weirdo disco (Moon Maiden, his remixes of Arthur Russell). he was a deep cat.

this is the most straightforward I think - completely drops the vocals + condenses the original down into 5 minutes of pure unadulterated proto-house bliss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQxmGb6uz5w

this is probably the most uplifting of those long workouts, too sprawling + disjointed to be really joyous I think but still great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LyoOIfi9t0

also tbf he did find+ break Stand On the Word, the ne plus ultra of gospel uplift repurposed into dancefloor uplift, even if he didn't produce it

padraig (u.s.)
08-05-2018, 02:26 AM
fwiw I'm also completely down with psychedelic joy, I'd just associate it more with euphoria, introspection, etc depending on the drug

like I was saying hardcore is mostly euphoric, which I'd distinguish from joy, others may not.

was trying to think of joyous jungle tracks, most of sweet soul jungle is more kinda blissed out than joy, not the the uplift. finally thought of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6TkrPVZdYQ

idk, the non-specificity of "everybody can be" - everybody can be what? whatever you want to be, a v kinda general uplift. PLUR joy I guess.

padraig (u.s.)
08-05-2018, 02:29 AM
Like you said, Whitney is joy
I don't disagree with this btw

padraig (u.s.)
08-05-2018, 02:30 AM
also always enjoy Ain't Nobody v. I Feel For You callbacks

jenks
08-05-2018, 07:55 AM
That was on my list, not that version though. I play the Velvet Undergound increasingly, so much, so varied, so good sometimes. This version of What Goes On - if you haven't gone through their live stuff do, it's much better in some ways, check out the Matrix Tapes :

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In was going to put I'm Set Free on here as well as What Goes On - VU are oddly more joyful than many may think.

craner
08-05-2018, 03:55 PM
i can't wait to take craner to the funfair. get his face painted. candyfloss. he'll have too much sugar and have a tantrum on the bus back from blackheath.

I actually live up the road from a permanent fairground.

droid
08-05-2018, 04:05 PM
Has anyone here actually been to a fairground recently? Vile, nauseating places.

droid
08-05-2018, 04:08 PM
Replete with its own tormentors as well. The grinning hellspawn who sees you clinging onto the waltzer and clambers over to give you an extra twirl, or the dead eyed big wheel operator that leaves you hanging at the top for 15 minutes in -3 degree windchill.

luka
08-05-2018, 06:23 PM
I actually live up the road from a permanent fairground.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Island
:love::love::love::love::love::love::love::love:

droid
08-05-2018, 07:07 PM
Actually, I will give a pass to LunEUR on the edge of Rome, a mile or so from Mussolini's square colosseum. They had some cool petrol powered boat bumpers, plus was next to a park populated by nocturnal transexual prostitutes.

http://www.rowland98.com/images/turizm/zastivshij-uzhas-10-zabroshennih-parkov-razvlechenij_18.jpeg

Tibadabo in Barcelona too, overpriced but a fantastic location and a brilliant horror house, hotel Kruger.

https://www.kidsinbarcelona.com/wp-content/uploads/Tibidabo-678x350.jpg

But if youre ever in Gardaland, avoid this mushroom tree at all costs.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ab/65/ac/ab65ac66195845b4b4f08e2649dbfeb7.jpg

craner
08-05-2018, 07:18 PM
You should also give a pass for Barrybados and Parc Asterix.

droid
08-05-2018, 07:20 PM
Permanent funfairs generally tend to be more tolerable its true, but then there's hellholes like Portaventura.

luka
08-05-2018, 07:27 PM
i have a massive soft spot for Barry Island now. I've been twice. im going to try and score and invite for later this year too.

craner
08-05-2018, 07:39 PM
i have a massive soft spot for Barry Island now. I've been twice. im going to try and score and invite for later this year too.

You're always welcome. Everbody should come, it could be a Dissensus Conference down the Island. It'll be just like Yalta!

droid
08-05-2018, 07:51 PM
You're always welcome. Everbody should come, it could be a Dissensus Conference down the Island. It'll be just like Yalta!

lol. Including the bugged bedrooms?

Mr. Tea
08-05-2018, 08:28 PM
I like the idea of it being an island inhabited entirely by Barries. White, Manilow, Chuckle, they're all there.

craner
08-05-2018, 08:46 PM
Would definitely bug Droid's bedroom!

I wouldn't bug Barty's because I wouldn't want to hear him shagging all the Barry teenage girls he'd seduced on the sand, wistfully.

droid
08-05-2018, 08:50 PM
Ah, casting yourself in the Stalin role. Bold move.

craner
08-05-2018, 08:51 PM
I'm always bold, you know that Droidy

yyaldrin
10-05-2018, 02:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJUdIHGtx4k

mistersloane
17-05-2018, 03:10 AM
Thanks everyone. I'll post my 5 for this radio show when I've finally ever fucking decided, still vacillating.

padraig (u.s.)
25-05-2018, 11:03 PM
idk if this is still going in, but if so let me add this late entry from an early Aleem brothers project

the chord progression/vocal line combination reminds me of a Pixies song but I can't place which one (if anyone can tell me, it's been driving me slightly nuts)

anyway, joy of unabashed disco(ish) variety, music take you higher on a rainbow, plus whichever brother is singing lead is absolutely getting it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P4uIG3S_qA

luka
26-05-2018, 01:36 AM
i just dont understand.

Leo
26-05-2018, 01:01 PM
https://youtu.be/7zcrYeyO1vA

version
26-05-2018, 02:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLmEc42Vn5Y

mistersloane
07-09-2018, 05:02 PM
My 5 songs about joy ended up being these, with write ups, but it was as much about being pissed off that I couldn't decide what joy was as it was about joy, eventually. I'll link to the podcast when I get it.


1)
4Hero
Les Fleur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZqGA1AAipo


Joy is impossible, and thus this task. For me, there’s only one song that epitomises joy in its entirety and essence, and it’s this. The original of this is by Minnie Riperton. This version is a good example of how a cover can better than an original. Essentially this is exactly the same as the original, just replayed and tweaked, but it’s everything you wanted the original to be, it’s everything you hear in the original that isn’t there, but it’s remade so exactly - it’s a post modern exercise, like Gus Van Sant remaking Psycho shot by shot, but in this instant, keeps, accentuates and heightens the joy of the original. It’s unimpeachable, and I defy you not to raise your hands to the sky and punch the air when it kicks in.
God can be joy.




2)
Husker Du
Eight Miles High
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtczE0nUQPs


Another example of something which probably betters the original, though I love that too. There’s a conspiracy theory that says that all of the sixties bands were government agents, and in which case, this is the annihilation of them. No-one has ever screamed so good, before or since (sorry Tina) and this utterance, when it happens - and you’ll know when it does - is a sound of joy. I love the way you think it’s run out of steam at 2:22 - the song feels like it’s been going on for ages by that point - and then Bob just comes back in exactly how you feel, exactly how you feel at the moment he sings it. It’s perfect. It’s like the frustration of the moment that you’re in, while you’re cognisant of the moment you’re in, and being able to screan it at exactly the moment it becomes apparent to everyone.
Frustration can be joy.




3)
Ireland Fans
The Fields of Athenry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZmYv6kDutw


Communal singing does it for me. This, singing as Ireland are being beaten 4-0 to Spain, remains one of the greatest things I’ve ever heard, and reduces me to a useless puddle. It says everything about defiance in the face of defeat, and solidarity, and oneness, and is just joy, and proves football as experienced by the British Isles and Ireland as being one of the greatest things ever.
Defeat is joy.


4)
Msawawa
Bowungakanani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn6GH-aWWS4


Children’s voices definitely bring joy, don’t they (no pedo). I could equally have put any early Michael Jackson in here, The Osmonds, France Gall, or Leon Sylvers III. There’s something about kids having fun in a recording studio that just (italics) translates. I chose this one just cos the production is soooooo boss.
Joy can be joy.






5)
The Wombles
Remember You’re A Womble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIxkqoNi8I


It’s hard to explain to people who weren’t there just how huge a cultural force The Wombles were. That they were picked up by an anarchist group later on is no coincidence. Lots of this faux-glam stuff I find hugely joyous - see also the Bay City Rollers - but chosen this one just cos it’s one of the rare times that the Top of The Pops audience actually look like they’re having a really good time. I don’t know if the Wombles ever toured - how could they in those costumes - but god can you imagine what great gigs they would have been.
Dressing up as animals can be joy.

craner
07-09-2018, 10:03 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-QT1fmPQXWg

craner
07-09-2018, 10:05 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m3-hY-hlhBg

craner
07-09-2018, 10:15 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HTc0-gJFeDg

craner
07-09-2018, 10:17 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tkt-8Qhd7k8

craner
07-09-2018, 10:19 PM
3 levels of JOY

(Altern 8 was just fun nostalgia, the others serious JOY)

luka
07-09-2018, 11:15 PM
craner sang with joy when he heard little arab children were murdered in their beds

craner
07-09-2018, 11:19 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i5R6EYHS-NU&t=2103s

Wicked joyful tune all one hour of it.

craner
07-09-2018, 11:21 PM
Would well sooth the Gaza Strip that...

mistersloane
26-09-2018, 02:47 PM
Radio show went out on Russian radio a few weeks back, d/l link here if anyone wants to hear me slurring. 20 min podcast type thing

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gp7q5wq4wb37qbj/Komuza%20164%20%28with%20James%20Hollands%29.mp3?d l=0

yyaldrin
10-04-2019, 11:40 AM
have been enjoying these rocky reggae tunes lately. probably cos of spring?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY3-CUioVkE

yyaldrin
10-04-2019, 11:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoEjUc7QFDo

yyaldrin
10-04-2019, 11:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9fjG8rOWUA

yyaldrin
10-04-2019, 11:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Mle0jBbic