good ideas that actually ended up coming out as an unmitigated disaster

luka

Well-known member
anything that starts with a concept comes out as an unmitigated disaster.

the conceptual is a mistake. e.g. 'funk-metal.'
 

luka

Well-known member
you cant make things up. it's just not allowed. culture doesn't work like that.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
some things are just sui generis I think. Faith No More is a good example.

The Real Thing a is fucking great record but then you read how it was a massive influence on like every single nu-metal band who heard it when they were 15.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
but also no one sets out to make funk metal (or shoegaze or post-rock or minimal house or whatever)

people make thing, they have to be classified somehow, a term is applied or made up, a scene coalesces around the term

powerviolence is a good example of a catchallish term being codified into a specific actual sound but there's tons of others
 

craner

Beast of Burden
I was about to say it was the ‘Layla’ of the 90s but realised you weren’t talking about ‘Epic’...
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
you're probably better off with things in the real world

public housing project towers

state communism

etc
 
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padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
‘Epic’...
Epic is a great song. it's just you can also see all kinds of terrible things in it, from Linkin Park to metalcore.

can't really blame Patton + co. tho, just like you can't blame Rites of Spring for My Chemical Romance or whatever
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Epic is a great song. it's just you can also see all kinds of terrible things in it, from Linkin Park to metalcore.

can't really blame Patton + co. tho, just like you can't blame Rites of Spring for My Chemical Romance or whatever

I like Linkin Park tbh. It's good early teenage angst music.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
I think it was always awful
idk man I think you're filtering it thru all that came after. or maybe it's just not your thing, which is fair.

that's a killer LP. FNM was so much weirder, more cosmopolitan, queer influence than most of the bro rock they inspired, just a different thing. the rhythm section + keys dude were in a (not great tbh) arty post-punk band before FNM, Patton came from Mr. Bungle + has obv gone on to a million things (some good, some not, all interesting), and then Martin brought the full-on hesher shred (his first band was a high school power trio w/Cliff Burton).
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
I like Linkin Park tbh. It's good early teenage angst music.
sure I know plenty of people a few years younger than me for whom they were a big tween nostalgia thing

I was already into hardcore and anarchopunk and stuff by the time they got big, so I missed that and nu-metal, except for a bit of RATM early on
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
really FNM is operating at least partially in the Scritti Politti type lineage

the funk in their funk-metal was more Gang of Four, James Chance etc, avant funk not funk than like The Ohio Players

very unfortunately they kinda get lumped in RHCP, who were basically doing a (via ripping off Fishbone) lame cod Ohio Players thing
 
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