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version
08-02-2019, 03:23 AM
See above. There's got to be some. I'm talking within the last three to five years, max. We can't have every thread rolling back to '03 at the latest, I'm sure something happened after grime.

pattycakes_
08-02-2019, 03:31 AM
https://youtu.be/_j9yC9o1twY

thirdform
08-02-2019, 04:04 AM
sure there's new stuff, more than ever, if anything. like in some respects we're at a global cultural highpoint. but I just don't care for it. or rather, i do care for it, but I'm nearly 30 and my taste is overdeveloped. I need to suspend judgment and i can't do that in the same way i could when i was 16. I have value judgments forged in blood and fire and the ignorance cannot be recovered. how do you escape this deadlock is probably why we're on this forum to begin with. for the older blokes like blissblogger they had linear progressions. our period is more like non-contiguous jumps and stop starts. which station do i listen to on a friday night? i can choose between pyro, mode fm, nts, rinse fm, subtle fm, soho radio, flex fm, the list goes on and on. the problem isn't the variety, the problem is it's up to me as a consumer. in some sense you need a choice to be dictated to you in a group or collective dynamic. the fact magification of much dance music contributed to this, sad to say. whereas punk still tends to have its own internal dynamics where bands are more word of mouth. these days you can't just do shit on ur own and expect your bredren to get behind you everything needs a press release.

Again the problem is not that there is variety, that is a positive that should be retained. the problem is in the age of atomisation there is nothing to direct you. more about some new bits ive been enjoying later.

thirdform
08-02-2019, 04:05 AM
https://youtu.be/_j9yC9o1twY


met him outside plastic people once, weird guy.

thirdform
08-02-2019, 04:08 AM
really think this techy trap influenced footwork east african diaspora thing is interesting but probably too austere for barty.


https://soundcloud.com/unsound/unsound-podcast-slikback

anyway, slammin set.

thirdform
08-02-2019, 04:10 AM
quite like some zuli beats as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KeSvkoGuVk

thirdform
08-02-2019, 04:14 AM
used to hang out with the crew around truss and tesella back in my techno days. cool they're putting stuff out. have no idea who glyn hendry is though.

i wish he'd chop the beat up a bit though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGMb7sXBafc

thirdform
08-02-2019, 04:25 AM
quite into jlin as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agoUHAcrj-A

thirdform
08-02-2019, 04:27 AM
i mean i just think jersey club sounds shit compared to this stuff, even though you could argue that footwork lost some of its novelty with the jungle connection, but still there are really weird future funk beats like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW4T3CZXaPQ

thirdform
08-02-2019, 04:33 AM
Really like Renick Bell as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mNOaJqCpz4

thirdform
08-02-2019, 04:36 AM
there's a mad french speedcore liveset from la peste that I'll link u lot to later. it's well xenakis.

thirdform
08-02-2019, 04:41 AM
really like this album as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vjwFWS5nyE

thirdform
08-02-2019, 04:46 AM
that brood ma bloke is call i guess, like virtual reality with those virus trancey synths done in a massively sidechained way. not so much into arca though.

thirdform
08-02-2019, 04:52 AM
some of the broken beat industrial techno. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncJQVpF3RFs

thirdform
08-02-2019, 05:00 AM
mad japanese shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7O8mpyKOw8

thirdform
08-02-2019, 05:06 AM
better than all the so-called deconstructed club that came after it imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw5_PLDsbzg

also let's not talk about eco grime because that stuff gives me nightmares.

thirdform
08-02-2019, 05:10 AM
think zuli and mumdance on nts radio will fulfill some of those needs. the latest keysound on rinse was good by all accounts i hear but not heard it yet.

some more juttering beats though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O03KjpckDQ

thirdform
08-02-2019, 05:44 AM
N1L, Renick Bell and Sim Hutchins are the best of the stuff on UIQ, I reckon. It can all start to sound a bit too much like Autechre though. Lee Gamble's NTS show is decent, but I always forget to listen and end up downloading the odd recording months later.


that doesn't really concern me so much they have their own unique sounds that whilst being very similar to AE are not. i remember the dark days of the IDM era when you would have autechre clone after autechre clone. given that AE are my favourite electronic act (who needs kraftwerk anyway?) i found it all a bit disheartening. especially a lot of the bedroom stuff on schematic. really yucky indie whiteboy melancholy melodies over glitched hip hop beats. dire stuff.

Numbers
08-02-2019, 07:32 AM
Spectrum Spools put out a lot of good stuff. I quite like the contemporary output of Berceuse Heroique too. And Pinkman, LIES or Knekelhuis, although sometimes their releases can get very bleak.

yyaldrin
08-02-2019, 08:48 AM
i quite like this recent mix by zomby, am not sure if it's all his own material but it does has his signature sound

https://soundcloud.com/killingkush/zomby-guest-mix-for-bone-soda-nts-nov-18

luka
08-02-2019, 10:03 AM
I don't want to feel I'm eating vegan food in Shoreditch Box Park. At least the stabbing music feels like Outside the Box Park.

luka
08-02-2019, 10:11 AM
How is it possible to listen to new music without feeling like you're in a Nike Air stealth marketing campaign?

This is all synonymous with the birth of the hipster and the gentrification of culture and so IS hand in glove with the gentrification of Shoreditch. Maybe it's possible to do something outside of London, but then we would only hear it once it was coopted

luka
08-02-2019, 10:15 AM
Has the cost of promoting music replaced the cost of producing it?

thirdform
08-02-2019, 10:46 AM
Well that's why I'm into the more abstract stuff really. the music with feeling and emotion i can't do because of exactly that aspect. london is dead. this is what annoys me a tad about still reading blackdown's blog, forget london. it's finished. it's only multicultural in terms of a cheap labour force that white people can fuck about. otherwise as a city its sound structure or its musical output doesn't really mean anything. like come off it, a lot of the drill stuff, there are like echoes of jungle, but who the fuck wants echoes? that's like middle class trap.

Leo
08-02-2019, 12:29 PM
third, I like some of the stuff you've posted here but most of it is just slight variations (or not even) on basic techno, isn't it? I'm not knocking it, just don't hear much that's "new" in it.

like it or not, stuff like LSDXOXO is busting the underground in NYC right now. then you have Yves tumor, again maybe not everyone's cup of tea but definitely "new stuff", kind of avant-r'n b.

thirdform
08-02-2019, 12:32 PM
not interested in new rnb. you're taking a 60 year old genre and flagging its dead corpse. Even more old than techno. who cares? I'll check out lsdxoxo though. wasn't big on yves tumor.

thirdform
08-02-2019, 12:38 PM
lol thanks leo we're going back to 95 again but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N4YuG3i8Lo

the ethos of these guys was very prescient. neo-soul in the 21st century is for white people with a guilty race complex still. me and my mates back in the day listened to old rnb if we wanted soul.

thirdform
08-02-2019, 12:42 PM
the thing is me luca and version are showing you lot the way but you lot don't even have the humility of a nasreddin hoca pupil and that's saying something. all about those paltry emotional feelings. we don't want that. London is dead. love is dead! sex is dead! relationships are dead! they are all transactions now. rather than trying to recover some conservative halcyon haze the important thing is to surrender to electricity, to dispense with that contemptible ritual of capital. Everything has come to an end!

thirdform
08-02-2019, 12:46 PM
Has the cost of promoting music replaced the cost of producing it?


you're on the right track but i'd say promotion in the sense of turning people onto shit doesn't exist anymore. it's all authoritarian advertising now. i mean john peel didn't like half of what he played lol. i know some people will say he did, but that's bollocks isn't it. he didn't fake it though. that infrastructure doesn't exist anymore. music has all become about the bourgeois personality again. if philip sherbourn or Andrew Rice or chal ravens writes about it then they must like it, and when they don't its acceptable not to like it. Like if it was cool to like James Blake in 2019 and Sherburn doesn't like the album he wouldn't be able to write that bollocking in pitchfork. the personality is already preordained by the industry apparatus before pen hits paper.

That's why i rate blissblogger for all his inaccuracies because it doesn't hide being partisan and maybe even being wrong. the journalist as fan doesn't exist anymore. it's a PR machine.

I think that joe muggs defence of brostep probably didn't convince many fact mag readers but i think it was the right thing for him to do, in the sense of hitting at the post-pitchfork readership of many of these publications. people are trying to treat dance music either as some kind of hyper aware political thing (antiestablishment) or this music on an emotional level with classical music or whatever. neither is the case. it's precisely the trashy drug noise that makes dance music so radical. it went places where the more traditional EBM/industrial couldn't go, which just endedup reverting to a darker version of european hard trance.

thirdform
08-02-2019, 01:04 PM
third, I like some of the stuff you've posted here but most of it is just slight variations (or not even) on basic techno, isn't it? I'm not knocking it, just don't hear much that's "new" in it.

like it or not, stuff like LSDXOXO is busting the underground in NYC right now. then you have Yves tumor, again maybe not everyone's cup of tea but definitely "new stuff", kind of avant-r'n b.


I'm listening to lsdxoxo boiler room. yeah i can see how people can rate this but tbf im not really into jersey club anb its descendents. the reasons for that are complex but essentially because post-jersey club became the post-dubstep for straight folks after post-dubstep fizzled out. we saw it all with night slugs. now night slugs shows on rinse are pretty boring atm, not like they were in 2011-12, basically the other day i heard bok bok play a set with hardly any grime or bassy bits in it. that is a problem we have to deal with in the uk. everything will become postified. luckily you don't seem to have that dynamic in the states. part of why i bang on the industrial techno drum a lot. it's about keeping that uncompromising hardcore alive. the problem is the structures will remain regimented in dance music necessarily for djs. so it's about going into new relationships with sound which i think the leftfield/no-skool techno does. otherwise you listen to club chai or whatever and it's like ok yeah middle eastern but you aren't even making aksak beats in 6/4 or 7/8 or 9/8. or 2/9. you are basically doing the entry level euclidian rhythm thing where you just subdivide a bar in ableton. well yeah you can do that with a break just chop it into microbits and make polyrhythms out of it. the thing is to come up with a new rhythmic vocabulary, to rewire the body. and that will generally mean making music unfit for djs to mix. but given dance musics histrionic worship of someone being able to put 2 4/4s together that's not going to happen. again that's why i like Autechre because they are making dance music (when you get down to it) but they aren't really making it for club djs. you can certainly mix a lot of it into a set, you just have to do it in a non-linear way.

Numbers
08-02-2019, 02:10 PM
it's precisely the trashy drug noise that makes dance music so radical.

That's quite true: take out its weird/eerie drug-related character and you have music merely suitable for fitness clubs, supermarkets, and preteens. High- and lowbrow redefined.

Leo
08-02-2019, 02:39 PM
not interested in new rnb. you're taking a 60 year old genre and flagging its dead corpse. Even more old than techno. who cares? I'll check out lsdxoxo though. wasn't big on yves tumor.

I'm not a tumor fan but he's not r'n b at all, I used avant-r'n b as a cheeky description but he's well outside that. we might not dig it personally but stuff like him or arca are def new sounds. they aren't driving a galvanizing scene in London, but surely that's not the only criteria for "new", right? ;)

thirdform
08-02-2019, 02:46 PM
no the problem is that stuff is basically upmarket selfie sex music but noise aesthetics have to be made upmarket now as that new commentariat are basically a generation above their guttertrash parents an grandparents. either that or radical art has been totally made mainstream and topdown. that's why i don't get on with it. there is pain in it but no snarling guttersnipe values at all. none of the dangerous sexiness of 2step dubs for instance, or the back alley vibes of a lot of disco and industrial, or even the hyper soul of zapp. again we're talking about the gnostic overloading of circuits. can yves tumor do that?

Leo
08-02-2019, 06:09 PM
When I say "new", I don't necessarily mean innovative. I also mean good music that was made recently.

ah, ok, my mistake. I thought you were just looking for new styles.

in that case, third is correct: everything was better back in the day. ;)

thirdform
08-02-2019, 10:32 PM
quite into the new rich devine as well, usually im a bit ambivalent about modular wank but he seems to be able to quirk some eerily aquatic bleeps out of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFa2JjPxzdM

thirdform
08-02-2019, 10:35 PM
also well into rashad becker. i mean he has managed to somehow make genuinely alien music for the 21st century. feels like some multitentacled extraterrestrial lifeform. very synaesthetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD7ptOY1IvM

thirdform
08-02-2019, 10:40 PM
this guy is better when he's on an iranian rob hood flex that's when i really rate him but when he goes exclusively for the hard lsd nanotechnology futurism im less interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIgpK1KQ7C0

albums are a mixed bag. more exciting than arca's solo work but also a lot of this global diasporic conceptronica seems to have um. different reference points than i do. i hardly revisit my metal and short lived prog rock phase. i hate (at least temporarily) most metal apart from grindcore these days as well, even black metal. boring shit.

blissblogger
09-02-2019, 12:08 AM
yeah the Becker stuff is really strange - does make you think of processions and court pageantry of an alien empire

thirdform
09-02-2019, 02:43 AM
RA ran a feature on him a few years ago, he has a pretty unique approach - https://www.residentadvisor.net/features/1941

But when he discusses the music he's making outside his day job—and it's worth stressing that the music he's making falls well outside the bulk of what passes through his limiters and equalizers—he sounds more like a man of letters, delving into character development, tone and storytelling. His trombone is an instrument, but he's essentially interested in it as a literary device. "I would write novels if I had more talent with that," he says. "But I have more talent with sculpting sound than I have with writing words."

- - -

"I really don't feel my music is experimental music," he says. "I reject that notion because I'm not experimenting." He explains that most of the music you'd find sharing shelf space with Notional Species isn't particularly experimental, either—it's made with electronic, synthetic elements that occasionally sound wild and abstract, but it's more or less mimicking sounds and structures that have been used before. "This is the same kind of disappointment that I get when I look at animated movies, and I see that they just use very classic camera schemes. I'm always like, why don't you make use of the option, the possibility, to do something within animation that can't be done with a real camera?"

- - -

"At the end of the score, I have a list of names. They show me the features that these characters have and also the features they share with other characters. Then I sit down and sonify it."

Becker says he tends to squeeze "the same kind of character out of most of the machines that I encounter" during this sonification process, and I ask if he can characterize it. "It's rather the progressions," he explains. "It's the envelopes and the harmonic progressions that the sounds have that are all—like syllables, maybe. These are the progressions that I obviously, or naturally, or automatically look for, that resemble speech, breathing and performance, that represent a certain actual shape of a body."

With the characters achieving something like completeness, Becker starts honing the pieces of music they'll occupy. He spent some years working on theatrical productions, and he approached committing Notional Species to tape the way a director might put together a play if he was also acting in every role. His goal with each of the album's eight pieces was to press record and perform them in the studio, with a minimum of mixing and post-production. "I appreciate that generally in recorded music—to just record music, not record fragments, not record tracks, but be in charge of the decisions that you make while playing music."

He says he's long had an affinity for music made in the days before multi-track recording, when music had to be performed and errors weren't so easily scrubbed out. When he first started Clunk, he intended to only commit two tracks to tape—one for each stereo channel. "The flaws, and the courage to live with these decisions—it gives the music some timeless tension that has by a large scale disappeared nowadays in music production."


I remember him in the wire saying something like I love traditional music but i don't want to understand how it works technically because of all its connotations and it demystifies it. i think that's also the attraction for electronic music for a lot of us. if we start dissecting it we basically become squeaky clean dnb or psy trance engineers. It's weird because electronic music is not punk in that way - like a lot of the newer dance records do actually sound more bigger in a club compared to older stuff. that's not really an opinion. i'm never sure how to deal with it. like i saw konstrukt live in 2015 or was it 16 and it was like this free jazz stuff you only get a fraction of it on the record. people chat about dmz and that but tbf with all respects to those guys the sheer propulsion of hearing a free jazz drummer or brotzmann scronking away. you can't really turn that up on a big system. it's the very travelling of air particles, you can hear the drummers hands or the breath on the sax.

slackk
09-02-2019, 09:56 AM
brazil 150 is quite good in a scruffy way

https://soundcloud.com/cabelaotrn22/mcs-gwsabrinaj-oliver-hoje-no-pau-voce-desce-djs-cabelao-e-br-2k19-testzada

chava
09-02-2019, 12:23 PM
Huerco S. has been decent for a while too, his ambient album was good and the Pendant stuff and his West Mineral label caught my ear. He's got some new collab thing on the way with some of the other people on the label that sounds alright - https://boomkat.com/products/ghostride-the-drift

One of my favorite artists the couple of years if might say so. Ambient rural techno jams. Colonial Patterns is a masterpiece.

padraig (u.s.)
09-02-2019, 03:34 PM
everything was better back in the day
I'm sure it's partially tongue in cheek, but I see this and I think, no

it was just different back in the day. what does "better" even mean? it's art.

I don't make any effort to seek out new music beyond what I hear live and/or diegetically, and virtually everything I really like is mid-90s or earlier

but that doesn't mean any of it is better or worse

padraig (u.s.)
09-02-2019, 03:41 PM
I do think there's something to what third and luka were getting at - everything is a transaction, everything is a stealth marketing campaign, etc - that can't be divorced from the art itself

in the same way you can't divorce aesthetic judgments from production techniques or materials, or distribution channels, or cultural capital, or whatever

they're all ways of saying no art exists separate from its historical context, I suppose

but I also think - when was it ever not thus? when were relationships ever not a transaction?

the marketing techniques are more clever and integrated, but when was there ever a true underground culture?

padraig (u.s.)
09-02-2019, 03:46 PM
take out its weird/eerie drug-related character and you have music merely suitable for fitness clubs, supermarkets, and preteens
I read this and think, is this is not the inevitable fate of anything?

to remain in obscurity or to become elevator music and/or the backing for a car, jeans, whatever commercial?

I mean is this not what Pop Art was onto, like, half a century and more ago?

(btw, what's wrong with music for "fitness clubs" and preteens, exactly?)

padraig (u.s.)
09-02-2019, 03:55 PM
to sum up: people will keep making stuff, kids will be into it, old people will wring their hands and say everything was better back when

humanity will/won't be wiped out by climate change, replaced by algorithms + robots, etc. the future will/won't be utopian/dystopian

people will make art either way. most of it won't be interesting, some of it will be. judging art at the time of its creation is a fool's errand.

nothing is new, everything is new.

Leo
09-02-2019, 04:08 PM
I'm sure it's partially tongue in cheek, but I see this and I think, no



ENTIRELY tongue in cheek, teasing third. I even put the emoji at the end!

padraig (u.s.)
09-02-2019, 04:14 PM
ENTIRELY tongue in cheek, teasing third. I even put the emoji at the end!
right, but it's also a serious sentiment

in the way that it's often productive to treat silly things seriously and vice versa

why would someone devote a thread to "new stuff" is there wasn't an underlying feeling that new stuff isn't good, is uninteresting

padraig (u.s.)
09-02-2019, 04:22 PM
I liked the bit in Men in Black 3 where it turned out that Andy Warhol was actually an undercover agent churning out any old shit in order to maintain his cover and monitor the NYC art scene, which was full of aliens.
I've never seen that film so thanks for relating that anecdote which is indeed kind of amusing

even if it is basically a riff on the tired "haha, I/my 5 year old/anyone could do that" joke about any avant-garde or abstract art

I guess at least they didn't use Yoko Ono with the inevitable resulting racist and/or sexist overtones

padraig (u.s.)
09-02-2019, 04:24 PM
anyway, not to derail your thread, I'll let you get back to it

for me, 2018 was the year Spacemen 3 surpassed The Velvet Underground as my favorite band, which should tell you all you need to know about my relationship with new music

padraig (u.s.)
09-02-2019, 04:37 PM
I think the difference is that you tend to come to older stuff that's already been categorised, curated and whatnot by tons of people during a time when there were decent ways of doing so, with new stuff, there's not only more of it but everything's so spread out and weird that nobody's really able to streamline it and separate the wheat from the chaff.
this is absolutely true of all art always

for me nowadays the energy I invest in new art is things besides music - mostly visual art, as well as theater, performance art, etc

or with music, it's like I said, seeing it live

idk, just not interested in doing the wheat/chaff curation work of digging thru endless whatever new tunes to find the gems

thirdform
09-02-2019, 06:15 PM
I do think there's something to what third and luka were getting at - everything is a transaction, everything is a stealth marketing campaign, etc - that can't be divorced from the art itself

in the same way you can't divorce aesthetic judgments from production techniques or materials, or distribution channels, or cultural capital, or whatever

they're all ways of saying no art exists separate from its historical context, I suppose

but I also think - when was it ever not thus? when were relationships ever not a transaction?

the marketing techniques are more clever and integrated, but when was there ever a true underground culture?


Well never, but when have we ever had a *true* democracy? I don't buy that Athenian fetish. It was essentially built on slavery and slaves were non-citizens.


But the illusion of democracy like we have in England and the US, what i call the virtually violent form of democracy, as opposed to the direct and compulsive form you have in places like Turkey which i call kinetic. Well I'd rather an opiate than no opiate. and i think this underground yearning is a bit of that. we know it's tosh, but we can convince ourselves that something remaining small and localised can stay healthy. ofc that's not really true. but nor are most things today.

thirdform
09-02-2019, 06:26 PM
I read this and think, is this is not the inevitable fate of anything?

to remain in obscurity or to become elevator music and/or the backing for a car, jeans, whatever commercial?

I mean is this not what Pop Art was onto, like, half a century and more ago?

(btw, what's wrong with music for "fitness clubs" and preteens, exactly?)

I mean i guess it's the cathartic/cosmic/spiritual element isn't it. we're political non-agents. it's not that there's no future, we're just rendered surplus to that process. I don't really get political music in 2019. that was a 70s and 80s thing. most of us have deserted or systematically/socially engineered to be excluded from politics. all we do is tick a box with preordained choices. It's stalinism, just in its non-agrarian and most concentrated form. that's why the media pundits will say we live in an unfair democracy rather than realising they themselves are implicated in that process whilst they slam venezuela (not that I ever supported Maduro or even Chavez for that matter.) In terms of the fitness clubs thing I saw electronic music as this big funk forcefield of energy. I'm not angry about mainstream house or whatever, but I'd rather that powerful > human energy was not lost. and I think that can only be found in an atomised way. brostep tried to do that in a big way and I'm sure for many people younger than me it blew their minds - nothing wrong with that. but like i was saying once, we won't be able to get something like doctor p sweetshop on r1 airplay anymore. of course the underground can be just as responsible for this, all that minimal dnb which is just not as powerful as a paradox choppage tune. I mean it's an interesting question.

pattycakes_
09-02-2019, 06:33 PM
Finding it hard to wrap my head around there never being any true underground. How do you define the term? No music was ever underground? Surely pre Internet there was plenty.

padraig (u.s.)
09-02-2019, 07:03 PM
Finding it hard to wrap my head around there never being any true underground. How do you define the term?
think of it as another way of stating that there is no such thing as art that isn't a commodity

there are two kinds of underground: that which wants to be more famous and isn't yet, and that which rejects fame and attendant commercial success

it's probably more of a spectrum than either/or, and the rejection side has varying levels of sincerity, but it's basically accurate

ultimately as I said, everything either remains obscure or eventually becomes popular and commercialized to the level of its popularity

anything underground, no matter how far underground, will commodified sooner or later if it's worth commodifying. examples are innumerable but can be easily cited if needed.

the Internet has made "eventually" quicker if not instantaneous, but it's not a qualitatively different process.

padraig (u.s.)
09-02-2019, 07:09 PM
it's a response to everything is a marketing campaign, so think of it in that context

again, the marketing is more sophisticated, but process isn't new

this isn't a new idea either. Pop Art, the Situationists, culture jamming, these are many decades old.

and almost as old is the understanding that commodification trumps all attempts to derail it, by turning those attempts themselves into commodities.

underground is cool, cool sells, underground is no longer cool, new underground is cool, cool sells, rinse wash repeat.

tbf, "true" doesn't really mean anything, and sets ups a false narrative of true v false "underground", so I probably shouldn't have used it as an adjective

padraig (u.s.)
09-02-2019, 07:16 PM
The majority of curation these days seems to come from algorithms and they aren't really an adequate substitute.
this is interesting and feels true

the very reason I've never used Spotify or a similar service is b/c I trust my taste, knowledge and instincts more than an algorithm

one of the few areas where algorithms or AI will by definition never be able to supplant humans, subjective artistic judgment

however, I'm old enough not to have grown up with algorithms feeding me things from a young age

and perhaps if you have there's not much of a difference

this is also feels like something that is more acute in dance music, albeit you all know much more about it than I do

it's true that punk is still, as third said, more "word of mouth", largely because of its commitments to DIY (i.e., there's no $ in it)

thirdform
09-02-2019, 07:27 PM
Well in terms of that we can really trace that to the criminal justice bill in some respects can't we. yes those illegal raves were a commodity in the same way that clubs are, but clubs have different expectation. whereas a punk show is very short. not really an all night thing. that's not how it works. all economy is fundamentally an economy of time etc... there was more a looseness in the illegal rave thing i thought, all you needed is a shitty pa which you could over crank and a dj with a bunch of records, maybe even just music of their mates, totally anonymous.

But then that dug itself after 94 into braindead take drugs to make music to take drugs to which eventually ended up turning into 'freetekno' totally uninteresting ambient music in the truist sense, just a 180 kick with maybe a filtered sound on it no tension or drama or even a minimal funk feel. and nothing else. but I'm finding it hard to see for instance how hardcore techno would have developed without that illegal rave scene.

This is why i think purist ambient is a bit of a fallacy a pure ambient music is precisely something you're not really supposed to listen to, even whilst fading in and out. it' just integrative to an event. that's pretty boring, at least drone can be quite zen and dark/melodic/glitch/berlin school type ambient can be lulling or narcotic or submerge you. that's not really how freetekno works though.

mvuent
10-02-2019, 12:22 AM
i don't really 'get' rashad becker. it sounds interesting at first (as in a few tracks) but i get tired of hearing shrill, mostly arrhythmic(?) squeaking noises entering from different corners of the stereo field pretty quickly (even if they sound "alien and alive"). he just seems more stylistically constrained than he needs to be. i end up wishing he would introduce more sonic variety and contrast like in older academic electronic music. but you guys praising him are much better versed in that stuff than i am, so maybe i'll be more discerning w/ his music one day.

as far as finding new music in the current atomized landscape (as in bandcamp type stuff specifically), it seems pretty obvious that it's impossible to give every release that you find intriguing the attention it deserves. i tend to just look for "trust-establishing" experiences with artists i'm curious about: if they do one thing i think is really exceptional, i'll give everything else they do a lot of time and attention, even if it doesn't seem interesting at first--and mostly disregard everything else. i completely agree with luka's last few posts in the music criticism thread that communities are very important now, because i think they help generate that sort of trust/engagement.

continuum
10-02-2019, 07:23 AM
There are journalist fan curated blogs out there. Mine for example: www.scuffeddeejays.tumblr.com

Reading this thread itís like you donít want there to be anything new and exciting rather than it not actually being there. It is there but you deny it. Most likely you are doing this subconsciously to protect something of your previous work and/or because you just canít be arsed anymore? Iíve been plugging away for years finding and supporting new artists who then go on to become famous and influential but I rarely get much acknowledgement. Perhaps this is why you guys seem to have given up? It would be nice to get some acknowledgement but itís not what drives me. I feel that your own egos are what drive you and since you all fell off years ago you havenít had the balls to jump back on instead protecting what you previously cultivated or promoting something your friend wrote about for the Wire or Pitchfork. You could engage with people such as myself in a productive way but generally speaking itís like talking to a load of schoolboys when I try to initiate engagement with you guys. Either that or I just get ignored.

thirdform
10-02-2019, 10:15 AM
no the discussion is tiring coz it's like oh here's rnb sample, here is ragga sample, here is rap sample over house beat, here is bassline, let's put this into an acid house lineage even though it's over 30 years old now and the original constituency well even for garage doesn't really exist in the same way in london anymore. slapping a few samples over a break was not what made hc/jungle so great (otherwise it would be something like florida breaks or nu skool breaks, both really unremarkable and boring musics in my eyes, despite their use of breakbeats.) like if you just admitted you like regular house music I'd be cool with that, i do too, but you're trying to claim some epistemically privileged status for deep tech just to put it in the continuum. there is no hardcore continuum anymore. there really hasn't been since 2007 has there.

and once again this thread goes back to this yawn we should all be listening to sub par bassline imitations. if im gonna do that i might as well just stick with nu skool jungle which is always more appealing to me as I've heard 4x4 house/techno beats for so long anyway and the rhythmic possibilities are limited unless you go into the african house (not UK funky...)

thirdform
10-02-2019, 10:26 AM
ok that was a bit harsh thereand i'm editing this post as a result. apologies. I mean I just don't really get the dancefloor as an end into itself which is probably why ive never got deep tech as such. I used to go clubbing week in week out and i always used to really dislike those tunes that sounded good on a system but when you broke them down were basically optimised for that purpose. I'd rather hear someone trying to make a primitive amen rinse out or whatever. for me it isn't even a club vs home listening thing, it's the perfectionist tendancy of so much dance music. this is what i was getting at earlier. most electronic music records sound better than they did in the 90s and 00s. that's not an opinion, that's a fact. the spatial placement of sounds, the dynamic compression, the way the digital kicks can be beefed up to hit on a club system, the glassiness of digital sound synthesis, from a technical perspective this stuff sounds amazing and 4d in a club.

Yet i've never liked a club as a club, it is alienating not because I'm a punk or whatever, simply because it isn't in my cultural DNA. If I don't enjoy the music I literally can't be there. like what am i doing there? i hardly talk to anyone apart from my mates, the drinks are too expensive, as a blind man even going for a fag or to the loo it is all taxing, not to mention bouncers and security. there has to be that force field. and i think 4d and forcefield are not the same.

I listened to that flava d fact mix the other day, i believe you were the one who recommended her. It's alright but it's too calculated. there is no forcefield. the bass is heavy but not in the way that it pounds your chest like it does in jungle with the rushing breaks. seeing industrial and noise aesthetics being repped by fashionista people i really don't think any dark or hard sound is necessarily inherently edgey. It's not about the edginess for me it's about the transcendent or greater than human ambition. now you can say well yeah it's dance music it's just about shaking your butt and sex, but ultimately that is what minimal music was historically long before the 20th century. That doesn't mean it wasn't transcendent. I don't believe they are mutually exclusive.

Again flicking through this flava d mix I'm sure I'd go for it in a club But it's not really small club/backyard material. and I'm not really into airports..

luka
10-02-2019, 10:31 AM
That's not unfair continuum. You're a unique figure and I think you're justified in complaining.

So why do I ignore you? (Not that I'm famous or influential or can help you but just to answer for myself)

Partly probably snobbery. You don't frame your enthusiasms in a literary or intellectual way but neither do you express them in the unmediated voice of pure excitement. Sometimes it can sound very dispassionate and like you are some kind of government surveyor rather than a fan.

That sounds very harsh and there's no reason really for me to dismiss your findings on the basis of your ability to communicate. I'm trying to answer as honestly as I can even if it makes me sound bad. (I am bad)

The second major reason is that you are a real raver and dance music guy and I never have been and at 39 never will be. A lot of what you unearth is specific to its context and doesn't have that extra element that allows it to crossover from dancefloor to home listening.

I'm answering you because you deserve answering in recognition of who you are and what you've done and it's not intended as criticism of you or as insult.

I can't keep up with the volume of what you bring and I can't contextualise it. You were better served by more dancefloor oriented people like Benny B and Silverdollar and sadly they've mostly departed.

I'd be interested in reading your 'story so far' or counter-narrative because I agree we have become far too defeatist and boring and we're due a change of direction.

thirdform
10-02-2019, 11:10 AM
but here's the thing. people aren't really going out anymore. everyone's doing shit jobs or unemployed. like that is what my friends say, im not sure what sort of area continuum is in but that's just the way it is for most of us young uns.

I might go to my mates night in sheffield in april but that will literally be the only night I'll be at for the next couple of years, a fiver to get in, cheap drinks but like a 160 crowd with hardly any security. that's all i can tolerate now. big clubs feel like airports. I'm all about populism and hate exclusivity but the government have made clubs into pleasure prisons. what that Achim Szepanski bloke was saying in the 90s has literally become a reality in London. half of the time you're like I'm enjoying myself because I planned my enjoyment to be here, not I'm enjoying myself because this club is free, because half of the time it is like a body camera in your face for 10 hours. And I don't think enjoyment can be planned personally. it's a bit like planning improvisation in music or planning excitement in writing. I don't think one can really do it.

Again apologies for my harsher tone earlier on. I've been a bit all over the place with a crackling ear these past couple of weeks.

thirdform
10-02-2019, 11:21 AM
and just to clarify something, i don't really like berghain/berlin techno either, in fact i think most of its crap and boring, even the industrial ostgut stuff that blissblogger was posting on his blog, it has the same problem that i find in UK tech house. it's perfected club music, everything is placed in the right way, everything is optimised in that right way to have the maximum impact on a club system, the sounds are perfectly spaced. nah, i find it hard to be a fan of perfected music. because at least part of being a fan for me is the imperfection in any music, that ability to justify your passion.

thirdform
10-02-2019, 11:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IITcwxIM2lQ

thirdform
10-02-2019, 11:53 AM
just on the forcefield point a bit more. about that flava d mix. was mucking about in audacity with the pitch and seeing how those basslines can be made to have the effect i desire. i think they really seem to work at that spot between 150-155. the problem is when you run the tunes that fast they seem to get flat and lose their rhythmic flex.

whereas there's no problem with something like this

you can speed it up a bit more, and it still won't sound quite like jungle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSLAlQy3SP0

firefinga
10-02-2019, 11:55 AM
Regarding "Underground" - which has got a lot to do with Ethics, with not "Selling out", with not compromising your sound, Underground means sticking together, doing it on your own terms
being "hardcore" "keepin it real" was also part of this, and so was experiencing music together with like-minded individuals - be it at a concert or in a club.

However, those audiences are dwindling and at the same time getting older. Sure, u still got those EDM-events packing stadiums or well-known clubs, but in general the number of played concerts or parties etc are rapidly declining. This feedback-loop is missing more and more, me thinks.

thirdform
10-02-2019, 11:59 AM
it's the same with the older bassline it's quite easy to pitch it up a tad because the basslines are more like KMA productions they are spilling over the drum track and trying to escape so there's this weird psychedelic effect. whereas the new basslines are more modulated and complex but they only work at that tempo. it's a bit like with dnb how only a 2step really works at 175 unless you want to go breakcore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_qo2g0gIsw

luka
10-02-2019, 12:00 PM
Why Puffy was so pivotal was that he really went to war with that notion. Why wouldn't you sell out? Fuck it! Sell everything!
And you can see the impact of that on grime which always had stardom as part of its libidinal drive and why they end up making a faustian pact to catapult dizzee to individual fame at the expense of the genre as a whole

thirdform
10-02-2019, 12:04 PM
Regarding "Underground" - which has got a lot to do with Ethics, with not "Selling out", with not compromising your sound, Underground means sticking together, doing it on your own terms
being "hardcore" "keepin it real" was also part of this, and so was experiencing music together with like-minded individuals - be it at a concert or in a club.

However, those audiences are dwindling and at the same time getting older. Sure, u still got those EDM-events packing stadiums or well-known clubs, but in general the number of played concerts or parties etc are rapidly declining. This feedback-loop is missing more and more, me thinks.


I mean I suppose that idea of doing it on my own terms is the idea of underground for me. like i was saying to a mate of mine if i want to make a pop hit with the intention of it charting I'd like to do it in such a way that me and my collaborators had total control over it. but because todays dance music is not really DiY that is very hard if not impossible. red bull and boiler room sweeps anything immediately. otherwise you're a literal nobody. not in terms of the nobody of hardcore techno which has had its own infrastructure to power it away from the mainstream dance music scene, but a literal non-entity, just another bandcamp statistic.

continuum
10-02-2019, 12:20 PM
You don't frame your enthusiasms in a literary or intellectual way but neither do you express them in the unmediated voice of pure excitement. Sometimes it can sound very dispassionate and like you are some kind of government surveyor rather than a fan.


lol, maybe I take it more seriously than other people but government surveyor, come on :p

Also, droid/thirdform don't feel bad about being harsh or whatever. This is Dissensus and therefore dissent is expected.

luka
10-02-2019, 12:20 PM
Why Puffy was so pivotal was that he really went to war with that notion. Why wouldn't you sell out? Fuck it! Sell everything!
And you can see the impact of that on grime which always had stardom as part of its libidinal drive and why they end up making a faustian pact to catapult dizzee to individual fame at the expense of the genre as a whole

And this is where the mythology of the illuminati emerges as people recogonise quite rightly that these are deals with the devil and that the collective is being sold out for individual fame and what's more they intuit the blood sacrifices which sealed the covenant in the ritual killings of Biggie and Tupac.

They sense the ritual pattern and they see the consequences

yyaldrin
10-02-2019, 12:42 PM
as for berghain/berlin techno i found myself liking this track lately


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=belXoxcmgXA

luka
10-02-2019, 12:48 PM
Nice segue

thirdform
10-02-2019, 12:56 PM
I quite like Bedouin records out of UAE though don't think they release much if any homegrown. more of those dark thugged out military beats.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WweIXco9MiI

thirdform
10-02-2019, 01:04 PM
quite into the new eli keszler as well, percussive ambient with avant-jazz overtones, i hesitate to call it jazz proper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKnCDkUEHeE

thirdform
10-02-2019, 01:07 PM
quite into this chap's 2018 album as well. he must be in his 70s now. those melodies only the ethiopians can do and in anyone elses hands would sound twea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYqZaABb2jQ

thirdform
10-02-2019, 01:09 PM
tbf i should just grab a lot of new stuff off redacted to sample but don't wanna kill my ratio.

firefinga
10-02-2019, 03:54 PM
And this is where the mythology of the illuminati emerges as people recogonise quite rightly that these are deals with the devil and that the collective is being sold out for individual fame and what's more they intuit the blood sacrifices which sealed the covenant in the ritual killings of Biggie and Tupac.

They sense the ritual pattern and they see the consequences

Sampling Sting/The Police and let a fake-soul diva sing the accompanying melody to it is the expression of this. Puffy's soul is unredeemable.

CrowleyHead
10-02-2019, 05:28 PM
Which is ironic because Puffy's music has a vehemently Christian "Work as Freedom" ethic to it, him being a dancer.

Trillhouse
10-02-2019, 09:29 PM
tbf i should just grab a lot of new stuff off redacted to sample but don't wanna kill my ratio.

Anyone got spare invite for this place?? I have good ratio on other sites and all that.

thirdform
10-02-2019, 10:53 PM
Anyone got spare invite for this place?? I have good ratio on other sites and all that.

i'll give it to you but whenever i do noone accepts it in the allotted time period and it pisses me off. hey i don't make the rules but...

Corpsey
11-02-2019, 03:51 PM
part of being a fan for me is the imperfection in any music, that ability to justify your passion.

Why does it need to be imperfect to 'justify your passion'?

Not being snide btw I'd like to know what that means.

thirdform
11-02-2019, 03:59 PM
because once there is the perfect there is no quest for the greater than human, the mystic or the psychedelic or the otherworldliness. It is the total subordination of all unpredictable forces to rational plan management for *the production of commodities.* That was my problem with where dnb went, not that it got less acoustic and soulful (that was inevitable really) but that it became about engineers rather than bangers. dnb producers are some of the best producers in the game, technically. that doesn't make a lot of dnb coming out these days any good.

Sometimes the problem with some of youse on this forum is you don't read the blissblogger chapter on trip hop and mo wax where he talks about the UK hip hop heads for fetishising a set of signifiers that they designate real. that can be sometimes the case with jungle. 'the sound got too white' rather than the changing sociodemographic composition of london clubland and london society as a whole. If that wasn't the case why are grime and garage raves full of white people? because let's be real tech step didn't really introduce any new sounds into the pantheon, it just rejigged and intensified certain aspects of 93. that was fine. it could be as alien and antifunky as anything else. the problem was like the intelligent scene before it (which also had a more urbane black crowd) the producers strived for ultimate perfection. that was dead by 97, techstep was mostly dead by 98. not a huge jump there, same sort of internal dynamics. mainstream techno also had a similar problem around this time. all those swedish immaculately produced records basically intended for adam beyer and jeff mills and noone else really. Mills could make those records speak, noone else could, (not even Beyer and his ilk) i'd never play (most) of them out they would sound totally crap in my hands.

Corpsey
11-02-2019, 04:04 PM
I see what you mean, although one might argue that perfectionism is itself more than human. I expected the obverse argument from you, that imperfect music is loveable in the same way that people are - because of their flaws, not in spite of them.

Corpsey
11-02-2019, 04:15 PM
As so often these days I think of this

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A9ggTSF6YGw/U__rkEXlLsI/AAAAAAAAArQ/1_TjSaor1Rw/s1600/isaac-newton-1795.jpg!Large.jpg

Corpsey
11-02-2019, 04:19 PM
I kind of agree with you, actually, one of the things I think died with sampling was audible imperfections and accidents. A lot of genres lose it when they get professionalised. Or - as I think you've also said - you can't hear the life in the sound until you've seen it in a club.

thirdform
11-02-2019, 04:21 PM
I see what you mean, although one might argue that perfectionism is itself more than human. I expected the obverse argument from you, that imperfect music is loveable in the same way that people are - because of their flaws, not in spite of them.

Well i don't see them as flaws, but i can see that vantage point. I also feel that way about people. i love them with their imperfections yes but people with serious flaws which i see as massive flaws, ethical whatever, they can get the fuck.

thirdform
11-02-2019, 04:24 PM
like my brother has learning difficulties and is prone to daily outbursts which massively hinder him despite being 19. some people would see that as a flaw, I see it as something that can't be cared for under our current individualistic culture, but not a flaw. a flaw would be certain people around me who try to micro-manage ppl. and do i truly love em? probably not. it's a compulsion of the property integument. they own where i live, i don't.

version
11-02-2019, 05:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DeDUptIzoA

slackk
13-02-2019, 06:46 PM
https://soundcloud.com/somalia-sucessada/sets/rt-familia

Trillhouse
13-02-2019, 08:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRxDysnjlzs

luka
15-02-2019, 08:46 AM
"So there it is again: the folly and heresy of Gothic, and above all its denial of truth.... For underlying it is the old, familiar antithesis between Classics and Romantics. In the eyes of the Classic, truth in architecture is identified with perfection. The Classical architects of the 17th & 18th centuries believed that the Ancients, by a process of infinite trial and error, had been able to evolve specific rules for the attainment of perfection. To throw these all overboard, to drown them without trace: that was the Gothic heresy. The Romantic was not, however, interested in abstract ideas of perfection. "

The Cathedrals of England
Alec Clifton-Taylor

Corpsey
15-02-2019, 09:09 AM
"So there it is again: the folly and heresy of Gothic, and above all its denial of truth.... For underlying it is the old, familiar antithesis between Classics and Romantics. In the eyes of the Classic, truth in architecture is identified with perfection. The Classical architects of the 17th & 18th centuries believed that the Ancients, by a process of infinite trial and error, had been able to evolve specific rules for the attainment of perfection. To throw these all overboard, to drown them without trace: that was the Gothic heresy. The Romantic was not, however, interested in abstract ideas of perfection. "

The Cathedrals of England
Alec Clifton-Taylor

Reading a biography of Eliot atm and this opposition is prominent in my mind, too, and obviously applicable to even the modern split re: the aims of music. Also Apollo vs Dionsysus, which I was going to do a thread on but didn't.

luka
15-02-2019, 09:11 AM
Do it now then.

Corpsey
15-02-2019, 10:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFnnxmb7Z9g

Corpsey
19-02-2019, 11:56 AM
More keeping up the MOR end from me #votetory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpKlCKL9FsM

continuum
19-02-2019, 03:17 PM
Just did a new mix of some current Bassline:


https://youtu.be/Zp7kfafN2_c

Tracklist:
1. Kieran Partington & Chris Gresswell - Just Be Good To Me
2. S3 Dubs - Got Me
3. Nadine - Tech(NO)
4. Jonze - Assassin
5. Riton & Kah-Lo - Fake ID (MPH Bootleg)
6. Skepsis - Fingers (Yung Four Five Bootleg)
7. Zero - Run & Hide (Spectrum Edit)
8. Krude x WA-FU - No Time (WA-FU 2am VIP)
9. Kryphon - Problem
10. Deppz - Shelter
11. Event Horizon - The Invasion
12. Redlight - Gold Teeth (Castor Bootleg)
13. Kryphon - Weapon
14. Mindstate - Sway
15. JG - Hold My Hand
16. JWC & Rogue - You Know You Like It
17. Big Zuu - Fall Off (Informa Bootleg)
18. Soloman Eves - When I Was A Yout (Baggy T Remix)
19. Rivibes x Subnotic - Level Incomplete
20. Vamos - Dreamer
21. Kegone - Man Wanna Know
22. WoblaaR - Ill
23. FNS - Ghostman

Trillhouse
25-02-2019, 01:38 PM
new Murlo long player https://murlo.lnk.to/dolos

Trillhouse
26-02-2019, 03:38 PM
He had a gallery opening not too long ago, so i think it's mainly prints of his artwork. i dont know how linked together it all is tbh or if it's just a good excuse to get more of his creative output into the world.

Corpsey
26-02-2019, 03:49 PM
Murlo's a nice chap, I won't hear a word against him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IheDWdOc9GU

Used to live with the guy who runs crazy legs and I think it was this murlo tune he used to rinse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZV2GgwGV7c

Trillhouse
27-02-2019, 10:44 AM
Given the choice i'd take his earlier digital work over this new art style, but it's cool that he's doing his thing. there's no hate here.

if we're bumping Murlo tunes i rinsed this one pretty thoroughly back in the heady days of 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVYfDPLSSw

Corpsey
27-02-2019, 11:01 AM
I like his tunes, just not sure about the graphic novel. Weirdly, I've just seen that someone else is doing the same thing. (https://www.residentadvisor.net/news/43350)



Yeah sorry that wasn't aimed at you or anyone I was just pre-empting someone wading in calling him a talentless hack as has happened with other ppl i know on here lol

Corpsey
27-02-2019, 11:06 AM
Was thinking

the other day

(classic corpsey intro)

That it's weird that I have this urge to keep seeking out new stuff, keep wanting to hear the new big thing, even keep wanting to hear old things that I've not heard before to add to my ever expanding, unweildy colleciton of things i've already heard

And that's true of everything else, isn't it? You can't be content with what you already have. Perhaps it's related to the same mechanisms that drugs target - the mechanisms that urge you to take more pills when you're already high as a fucking kite.

Endless acquisition - stimulated by capitalism but without capitalism it would still be there. Hunting, gathering, hoarding, feasting.

Does anyone out there listen to the same thing again and again, or read the same book again and again?

Lately though my searches for new things are nasty brief and short. Was trawling through Spotify yesterday and finding very little to excite me. But occasionally I happen across something that hits the spot, so the search goes ever onward.

Leo
27-02-2019, 12:19 PM
was watching a tv show the other day where the character, a guy in his 60s/70s or so, is at home, strolls over to an old turntable, puts the tone arm on the record, which plays some old-timely jazz. it made me almost envious of someone who has a defined interest, has the things (in this case, records) that embody that interest, and he just enjoys them.

no endless quest for acquiring the entire back catalog of an artist, or the solo albums by the bass player in the group, or adhering to algorithms that direct him to similar things he might like. he just has his defined thing, and he gets pleasure from it, period. he's stopped being a consumer, and is just devoted to experiencing.

might be a nice change of pace from the consistent pursuit.

thirdform
18-03-2019, 01:24 PM
https://soundcloud.com/unsound/unsound-podcast-slikback

thirdform
18-03-2019, 01:27 PM
https://soundcloud.com/unsound/unsound-podcast-31-sote?in=unsound/sets/unsound-podcast

Corpsey
18-03-2019, 02:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO0_3XwBb5s

version
19-03-2019, 04:53 PM
Rian Treanor album bangs.

Corpsey
20-03-2019, 09:36 PM
https://youtu.be/SEu2LfJfbTE

other_life
21-03-2019, 01:03 AM
https://soundcloud.com/yeonglag/fallenangecs
i dig yeongrak

yyaldrin
21-03-2019, 08:12 AM
really liking koffee, very good pop music


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9NculQEBa0

yyaldrin
21-03-2019, 08:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cj0YgM0LEU

Numbers
23-03-2019, 01:37 PM
Pinkman and its subsidiary Charlois are releasing nice stuff. Ranging between EBM and electro mainly, but also including some fringe house and absurd oompah-disco.


https://youtu.be/1X9kMI0V56c

Not the most representative track, but one that I had on repeat for a day or so.

continuum
25-03-2019, 05:18 PM
i've started a new podcast

Stream: https://youtu.be/pEKMvPPPld8
Download: https://bit.ly/2JNsM7p


Scuffedcast is the podcast of the Scuffed Deejays blog. Our main focus is on showcasing up and coming talent in music but also musical trends and developments.

Todayís show is a showcase of current Drum and Bass sounds. If you have any questions or suggestions please feel free to leave a comment below!

Tracklist:
00:00 Intro
00:59 The Specials - Ghost Town (Stelphy Super Spooky Bootleg)
05:01 Taxman - Evasion (Traumatize Remix)
08:39 Kola Nut - Sonic Rain
10:40 Kodin - Cognitive Distortions
14:18 Pharaoh K - Enter (Deadline Remix)
18:17 Wings - Integrate
21:55 Phibes - Get The Fuck Up
24:19 Terrence & Phillip - Rasta Roller
27:45 Terrence & Phillip + R3DX - Ghetto Bass
31:14 Erb N Dub, Malux & Tony Anthem feat. Doctor & SMK - Blaze Up The Fire
34:30 Basstripper - Black Spider
38:07 Dutta - Lion Hair
41:46 Fanatics - Phobos VIP 2
45:22 Maze & Alphaze - Monster (Ironlung Remix)
48:40 Skantia - Slim Don
52:41 Rebound X - Rhythm n Gash (Phibes Remix)
55:23 Dexed - Listen
59:00 Fugees - Fu-Gee-La (AC13 Bootleg)

thirdform
25-03-2019, 09:16 PM
will give that a wirl tomorrow continuum!

Numbers
29-03-2019, 10:13 AM
https://youtu.be/DbnmaFmnl40

Much of what AW does, is really great. The Fantastikoi Hxoi stuff too.

thirdform
29-03-2019, 05:30 PM
its loads of fun. not something i can listen to all the time but it's nice to see hardcore so explicitly referenced in jump up/hardstep/crossbreed (whatever they are calling it these days)

https://soundcloud.com/prspct-recordings/prspct-pdcst-029-by-high-rankin

thirdform
29-03-2019, 05:33 PM
this on the other hand... one of the best mixes of 2019, best nu skool jungle-techno mix with 170 electronica flavours. if you're into bukem from that brief period from 93-94 where the ambience and the grunge coexisted or basement records you owe it to yourself to check. archive here: https://acorta.me/1h3

not gonna appeal to the new jungle sceptics but hey it works for me, real spacey.

thirdform
29-03-2019, 05:57 PM
Rian Treanor album bangs.

gonna listen. have a feeling im gonna be underwelmed, like it's just gonna be a load of arps and randomised beats, mind you some people would say the stuff im into is jus' algo percussion drone bass workouts so...

version
29-03-2019, 06:19 PM
gonna listen. have a feeling im gonna be underwelmed, like it's just gonna be a load of arps and randomised beats, mind you some people would say the stuff im into is jus' algo percussion drone bass workouts so...

It's a bit more structured than that tbh, favs. are B1, C1, D1, D2 and D3.

thirdform
29-03-2019, 09:48 PM
https://agf-poemproducer.bandcamp.com/album/solidicity

version
04-04-2019, 11:21 PM
Did you ever get round to the Treanor album?

version
04-04-2019, 11:22 PM
This is brilliant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSD-LhFNiIc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oeOXVs7TCc

thirdform
05-04-2019, 01:28 AM
Did you ever get round to the Treanor album?


yeah, it bangs. it's like as a mate said it does all of what all that new electro thinks it is doing, real body popping...

hang on a minute, someone posted that track in my group, give me a...

thirdform
05-04-2019, 01:32 AM
nah don't think it was you who posted it.

version
05-04-2019, 01:34 AM
I'm not in any groups so yeah, wasn't me.

thirdform
05-04-2019, 01:36 AM
fb group i mean.

version
05-04-2019, 01:41 AM
Yeah, I mean any sort of group online. I'm not in any groups on any site. I post on here and now and then hop onto Reddit, but that's about it as far as being involved in any sort of online discussion or forum.

glasshand
05-04-2019, 02:21 PM
I am going to give the Rian Treanor album a go.

I hadn't really heard of him til this, seemed to be splashed over every music platform outta nowhere then I realised obviously it's because his album's on Planet Mu.

I find it interesting this little trend he seems to fit into, like an IDM return. Artists all using their full names (gabor lazar, Lorenzo senni etc), loads of focus on their "process", "methodology", use of technology. Ready to plug in to the european arty electronic music festival circuit - unsound, ctm, retextured etc

Corpsey
05-04-2019, 02:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32HG5UYPs1w

Corpsey
05-04-2019, 03:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsmM4PXMANk

Afrobeats sampling eastern (Indian?) music.

Corpsey
05-04-2019, 03:25 PM
To reveal my source

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/33JTHumPssxBv4pOLJF9cU

Thanks to ILM (be warned there are some rock songs on here though)

Corpsey
05-04-2019, 03:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfNQ7BvJzJ8

This is wicked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR6anPLRv6g

This list is full of afrobeats gold

version
05-04-2019, 05:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfNQ7BvJzJ8

This one's ace.

Leo
06-04-2019, 02:20 PM
https://youtu.be/cGEV8dL9opE

version
08-04-2019, 12:00 AM
There's some decent stuff on the Boomkat front page atm; Dungeon Acid LP, Amnesia Scanner & Bill Kouligas, Girl Unit album.

yyaldrin
08-04-2019, 08:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxVuehXlK90

version
09-04-2019, 07:16 PM
This is cool, I like Huerco and his crew.

Ghostride The Drift (Huerco S, Uon & Exael) - https://boomkat.com/products/ghostride-the-drift

Ghostride The Drift is a highly promising new smudge-ambient project dreamt by Huerco S, Exael and Special Guest DJ aka uon, for his and D. Tiffanyís new label.

Their extended self-titled debut finds the trioís shared tastes consolidated and mutated in 5 parts of spiralling, psychedelic and elusive dub forms that evoke the sensation of floating in a fog-choked rave at 5AM. Finding range between pockets of noisy dub ephemera, tracts of scudding, weightless hyper-dub, and seductively dragging downbeats, the EP speaks to each producerís sound in turn and all at once.

The opening blast of fathoms-deep, gaseous iridescence and buried but pelting kick drums is a huge highlight, recalling Xth Reflexion joints for Aught, while moments of Basic Channel-esque abstraction colour the downtime between beats, variously rolling out with brownian motion, and then a sluggish ruggish í90s ambient appeal one can imagine soundtracking a thousand dawns this summer and beyond...

version
11-04-2019, 06:44 PM
Logos' new album is out tomorrow; I was never that into Cold Mission, but the previews for this one sound decent.

Imperial Flood - https://boomkat.com/products/imperial-flood


Jaw-dropping 2nd album by Logos, follow-up to his UK classic ‘Cold Mission’, full of clinical sci-fi sound design and stylized noir narrative riddled with club zingers, checking the electric blue pulse of UK Hardcore Musicks.

Setting a new high-water mark for UK dance-related albums, ‘Imperial Flood’ stakes a claim for Logos as a key dramaturgist of all things darkside, techy and skooled in the hardcore ‘nuum. Where his debut album highlighted links between ‘90s Metalheadz D&B, Wiley’s Devil mixes, and contemporary sci-fi cinema on its deliciously noirish soundstage, with ‘Imperial Flood’ he expands that aesthetic to widescreen HD. Pulling in broader influence from acid and dub techno, experimental computer music, D&B minimalism and the speculative literature of Jeff VanderMeer, Christopher Priest, Lando and JG Ballard, the results vividly speak to the idea of a UK sound as a product of its brutalist, paranoid environment.

Arriving 10 years since his debut 12”, and five after his seminal debut album, ‘Imperial Flood comes after a significant period of creativity for Logos. Over the latter half of this decade he’s been instrumental in new grime movements, co-running London’s acclaimed club night, Boxed, whilst also diversifying his bonds with Mumdance and Shapednoise as part of improvising noise trio, The Sprawl, and most importantly with Different Circles; a label/clubnight catalyst responsible for boundary-pushing dances and a number of cult releases from Airhead, Rabit, Szare and Raime, not to mention his own, standout EPs with Mumdance such as ‘2015’s ‘Proto’.

It’s not difficult to hear how this activity has fed deep forward in ‘Imperial Flood’. From the bullet-time Matrix-style into of ‘Arrival (T2 Mix)’ thru the hair-kissing weightless rave sensation of ‘Weather System Over Plaistow’, he sucks listeners into an utterly convincing soundworld made all the more visceral, “real” thru his exacting production, morphing from the sentinel-bot growls of ‘Marsh Lantern’ to lush viscous/arid acid ambience in ‘Flash Forward (Ambi Mix)’, and Dynamo-style dub on ‘Lighthouse Dub’, before tagging in Mumdance on the Stingray-meets-Autechre styles of ‘Zoned In’, and freezing the dance with commanding force on ‘Stentorian’.

Ultimately there’s no shortage of imitators for this style, but Logos’ combination of dedication to his craft, a classically forward stylistic nous, and unique grasp of narrative places ‘Imperial Flood’ in a rare echelon of UK music really shared only by the likes of Burial and Raime.

Leo
12-04-2019, 08:06 PM
liking the new weval album "the weight" https://kompakt.fm/releases/the_weight_2xlp_dl

one of those records that takes awhile to get a handle on, doesn't particularly click on the first few listens and then starts to sink in. most tracks sound the same, slightly gauzy electronic pop but a level deeper. dawned on me that this is kind of what I wish Radiohead to sounded like but they never do.

version
17-04-2019, 07:26 PM
This is cool - https://boomkat.com/products/mud-7957520d-e6e0-4876-9f92-d5db969feec4

Leo
17-04-2019, 07:36 PM
version, you might like the new mana album "seven steps behind". don't be put off that it's on hyperdub. ;)

version
17-04-2019, 08:49 PM
version, you might like the new mana album "seven steps behind". don't be put off that it's on hyperdub. ;)

I checked the previews a few days ago and wasn't too fussed, but I'll give the full thing a go at some point.

Leo
17-04-2019, 10:13 PM
fair enough, seemed like it could click.

how about Thomas Bush "Old and Red" (https://menscryfa.bandcamp.com/releases)? he's also in RAP, played on blunt's "redeemer", his label released a John t. gast 12"

luka
21-04-2019, 09:53 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tQnqmDRQIXQ

luka
21-04-2019, 10:08 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PtfcVfLa7Xk

Corpsey
23-04-2019, 06:37 PM
https://youtu.be/huaE85-V8u4

Assumed this would be toss cos it features Idris Elba but I actually rate it, especially Sean Paul

I'll probably banished from the magic circle for admitting this though

version
24-04-2019, 04:37 AM
There's a Dissensus nod in Boomkat's write-up of the new DJ Nate thing.

After Nateís tracks first cropped up on a Dissensus forum thread at the end of the Ď00s, Planet Mu were quickest to his Myspace page...

yyaldrin
24-04-2019, 08:40 AM
just read slackk is releasing a nammy wams album, always thought he stood out

https://soundcloud.com/nammywams/nammy-wams-100-production-mix-on-the-marcus-nasty-show-rinse-fm