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Woebot
09-11-2004, 01:39 PM
Been nosing around the terrain of NRG a little. I'd previously found a couple of Bobby O 12"s The Flirts "Passion" and "From a Whisper to a Scream" (the former excellent) and then just the other day discovered a superb Bobby O comp on (i think) Lambshorn Records. There is great integrity to Bobby O's sound, it should fill any electronic musician who fears the effects of the ravages of time on the sound their machines make with hope. Bobby's "one-mand-band" sonics sound (improbably) fresh as a daisy.

Anyways, been following the trail a little, and it strikes me that along with Bobby and Giorgio Moroder, Patrick Cowley on the West Coast was probably the other great Hi-NRG producer. However, I've only heard some of the Sylvester things and, well, theyre a bit crap. Can anyone tell me what comp or what productions of Patrick Cowley I should be looking for?

Cheers big ears.

AshRa
09-11-2004, 03:47 PM
Not Hi-NRG by any means, but my favourite Patrick Cowley Sylvester production is "I Need Somebody To Love Tonight". It's a midtempo super-heavy spacey synth track that hits all the right spots! 6 minutes long but I could easily listen to it for an hour. There's a few different mixes of it available but the instrumental has an annoying 4/4 kick all the way through!

My first post! :o
Ash

xero
09-11-2004, 03:52 PM
a few excellent cowley numbers:

Get a little
Mindwarp LP
Sea Hunt (proto drexciya if there ever was such a thing)
Primitive World
I got a line on you
Megatron Man
X-factor

his re-edit of 'I feel Love'
his mega-mix of Tantra's 'The Hills of Katmandu'

drop me a line & I'll round them up on a CD-R if u like

jk_gabba
09-11-2004, 03:59 PM
all i've ever been able to track down is the " i feel love" edit ..

this looks like a good resource:


http://www.globaldarkness.com/articles/patrick_cowley_bio_disco.htm

xero
09-11-2004, 11:25 PM
btw does anyone know if the fabled patrick cowley remix of 'funkytown' actually exists and if so is it any good?

jed_
10-11-2004, 01:19 AM
that Sylvester track is amazing.

john eden
10-11-2004, 10:37 AM
http://www.uncarved.org/turb/articles/graphics/crow.jpg

xero
10-11-2004, 10:39 AM
is it john eden's lost consonants?

john eden
10-11-2004, 12:01 PM
Very good, minusone! :D

It's from an article on my site:
Everybody is a Star - Neil Disconaut (http://www.uncarved.org/turb/articles/star.html)

xero
10-11-2004, 05:11 PM
interesting piece - someone should write a book about that!

DigitalDjigit
10-11-2004, 05:45 PM
Not lambshorn but rams horn.

Woebot
10-11-2004, 05:52 PM
Not lambshorn but rams horn.

no its not rams horm. thats the dodgy belgian disco label with the lists of their releases on the back isnt it? i'll check ilya, but im pretty sure its lambshorn :confused:

DigitalDjigit
10-11-2004, 07:43 PM
Hehe, ok. My bad. I just kinda figured that lambshorn is close to rams horn and since you weren't sure I would chip in. Dodgy it may be but they (re)released a lot of good stuff. Loleatta Holloway - Hit 'n' Run remix by..eh...walter gibbons and lots and lots of italo.

redcrescent
10-11-2004, 11:58 PM
Cowley's albums (Megatron Man, Mind Warp, Menergy) are all worth scourging the bargain bins for.
IMHO, one of Cowley's finest moments was his last production, "Do you wanna funk" (Megatone 12" 1982), with the irrepressible Sylvester on vocals.
Apparently, Cowley, lacking the strength to sit up straight, directed the sessions in the studio lying down (NB Cowley was one of the first 'celebrity' AIDS victims) because he knew his time was running out... He was 32.

re.: Ram's Horn- I've never bought more naff stuff on any label than Ram's Horn, and all because I loved the first 12"s I got as Ram's Horn reissues, Rockwell's "Somebody's watching me" and "Walking on sunshine" by Rocker's Revenge.

redcrescent
11-11-2004, 12:27 AM
the dodgy belgian disco label
Well, I'll be... Ram's Horn (http://www.ramshorn.nl) is a Dutch outfit and apart from offering their entire back catalog for the tidy sum of 25K (!) they appear to be large scale purveyors of gabba, goa trance, aerobics and happy hardcore CDs.
(I've just found out my copy of Sharon Redd's "Beat the Street" is worth 25 new. Now where'd those Skyy 12"s go??)

puretokyo
11-11-2004, 04:18 AM
There are three great Bobby O comps that have been available for about fifteen years now, search bobby orlando on amazon, I recently picked them up and theres some superb music on there. that said, that new 2x12" one on boomkat has lovely artwork. Also interesting to look at the first pet shop boys album and see what they did with his sound. Anyone recommend any other good stuff in the vein? I'm more interested in the new york end of matters rather than the euro stuff

it seems to me that theres a certain of genetic material shared between bobby o and mantronix and tina b etc... The Danceteria, anyone?

Woebot
11-11-2004, 08:12 AM
<img alt="megahorn.gif" src="http://www.woebot.com/images/dissensus/megahorn.gif" width="400" height="363" border="0" />

puretokyo
11-11-2004, 08:16 AM
Yeah, lovely cover art on that Megahorn comp. It's not terribly comprehensive though, 12 tracks I think? Still, young Bobby wasn't known for his variety...

dannyDMX
12-11-2004, 04:15 AM
matt, you'd have to figure I'd pop up when I found this thread. Bobby "O" and Patrick Cowley are like the twin pedestals of Hi-NRG. And of course the Evelyn Thomas song "High Energy". Bobby O's hilarious because his sound is so totally his own, and it's not really a sound, but a rhythm. I have records of his done with analog gear on a 4-track and records done on a fairlight and they're pretty much all the same song! They all have the same rim shot pattern and this one melodic hook that he uses constantly. There's a few more uptempo rock/new wave kind of songs as well, like Barbi and the Kens' Just a Gigolo or Don't Put Another Dime in the Jukebox by the Flirts. My favorite Bobby O song is called Love on Video by the NY Models and it took me a LONG time to find that. Last night I heard Voodoo Man by Roni Griffith, which was hot as well. He had a bunch of different record labels, but the later stuff, the more digital/hi-nrg stuff on Memo is worth checking out, I'm a big fan of a song called Aggression by Charlene Davis, but that's well, very hi-nrg. Don't pay more then a dollar for it, you know?

anyway, Patrick Cowley, on the other hand, is really a much more interesting producer. It's not the melodies that are all the same, but a quality to his programming that sets him apart from Moroder, Gino Soccio(a whole other thread for him...) or any other producer. Much of his stuff was done on a Prophet 5 for what it's worth. I have very romantic feelings about his music. Some of it definately is a bit too "menergetic"(to use a term derived from his own music) like his work with Paul Parker, the mustached muscleman with whom he put out a few records. But much of his solo stuff focuses more on the sci-fi, even the track Menergy. That and Megatron Man, Mindwarp etc are all killer tracks. This stuff is all mostly instrumental, electronic, occasionally vocoded or disco nonsense vocals (ahhhahhh) and has dated really well to my ears.

One really hot track to look for is the song Get A Little, a single and also on the Megatron Man record. It has a woman singing and is just a fantastic gem.

His 15 minute version of I Feel Love is essential, and the stuff w/ Sylvester is hit or miss. I mean, if you're a fan, you'll like it all, but if you're not a HUGE fan, Do You Want To Funk, You Make Me Feel Mighty Real, Stars etc are all pretty good. But let me reiterate something said above...I Need Somebody to Love Tonight, hidden away on the Stars ep, is the single most BEAUTIFUL moment of electronic music EVER! It's not on any of the repressings or best of, and for that reason I've bought 3 or 4 copies of the ep so far. Maybe I'll send you one.

But yeah, Cowley is god, and Gino Soccio is an underrated genius who's catalog is finally being appreciated beyond the ubiquitious Dancer. Go to the mixes on http://alldisco.net and you can hear a few of his songs.

dan selzer

Woebot
12-11-2004, 09:46 AM
Bobby O's hilarious because his sound is so totally his own, and it's not really a sound, but a rhythm. I have records of his done with analog gear on a 4-track and records done on a fairlight and they're pretty much all the same song! Remember that adage about Detroit Techno taking Berry Gordy's production-line aesthetic and intensifying it? Well that hardly seems to apply to DT in reality, those slabs are so "artistic" so clearly the work of auteurs, but Bobby O, now you REALLY COULD describe him as a factory. (Reading from the liner notes) "Between 1979 and 1985, his name appeared on at least 400 individual releases - a release every week for six years" (Jaw drops) The tie-in between the whole mechanised dancefloor "work-out" and this is kinda fascinating. Dancers as Deleuzian cogs in the machine.


His 15 minute version of I Feel Love is essential, and the stuff w/ Sylvester is hit or miss. I mean, if you're a fan, you'll like it all, but if you're not a HUGE fan, Do You Want To Funk, You Make Me Feel Mighty Real, Stars etc are all pretty good. But let me reiterate something said above...I Need Somebody to Love Tonight, hidden away on the Stars ep, is the single most BEAUTIFUL moment of electronic music EVER! It's not on any of the repressings or best of, and for that reason I've bought 3 or 4 copies of the ep so far. Maybe I'll send you one. Drool. Minusone is sorting me out with a CD. Forgot to mention that I have "Mindwarp", but your description of "I Need Somebody to Love Tonight", man I maay have to go and hunt it down ASAP.

redcrescent
12-11-2004, 01:06 PM
Bobby "O" and Patrick Cowley are like the twin pedestals of Hi-NRG.
Bill Motley's SF-based Moby Dick label (which grew out of the club of the same name) also deserves a mention, releasing tracks by Boys Town Gang ("Ain't no mountain", etc.) and Lisa ("Rocket to your heart", etc.). Proceeds from sales, although modest, were used to support up-and-coming artists such as Loverde, whose producer was Patrick Cowley. Cowley also played synths on Moby Dick releases like Hot Posse's "An American Dream". A great Cowley site here (http://usuarios.advance.com.ar/dheinz/).
Bobby O's productions with the drag queen Divine were also big hits, things like "Love Reaction" and "Shoot your shot". Divine later worked with Stock, Aitken, Waterman, who pretty much dominated hi-NRG during the last half of the 80s, with tracks like Dead or Alive's "You spin me round (like a record)" (which has cropped up repeatedly since in various remix guises) and of course your Kylie, Rick Astley, Bananarama...

And of course the Evelyn Thomas song "High Energy".
And Irene Cara got Oscars and Grammys for her songs on the Fame and Flashdance soundtracks. "What a feelin'" and the like aside, do check out things like the Moroder-produced instrumental to "Breakdance", which still sounds fresh today.

Last night I heard Voodoo Man by Roni Griffith, which was hot as well.
Totally underrated. I've always though a track like "I want your lovin'" deserved a decent remix. The Canadian (especially Montreal) hi-NRG connection seems pretty strong: Roni Griffith, Lime ("Your Love", etc.), Trans-X ("Living on Video", 1983), Carol Jiani (who also released things on Moby Dick), producers Gino Soccio and Tony Green (France Joli), Suzy Q, Laura Branigan...

This stuff is all mostly instrumental, electronic, occasionally vocoded or disco nonsense vocals (ahhhahhh) and has dated really well to my ears.
On a sonic level, there are some pretty amazing things, especially on the flipsides where you get all sorts of dubby madness. Well worth looking into, but as you said,

Don't pay more then a dollar for it, you know?

xero
12-11-2004, 08:38 PM
But yeah, Cowley is god, and Gino Soccio is an underrated genius who's catalog is finally being appreciated beyond the ubiquitious Dancer. Go to the mixes on http://alldisco.net and you can hear a few of his songs.

dan selzer

gotta back this up - there are gems in that thar catalog - 'there's a woman' on the outline lp is like sci-fi beach boys





Drool. Minusone is sorting me out with a CD. Forgot to mention that I have "Mindwarp", but your description of "I Need Somebody to Love Tonight", man I maay have to go and hunt it down ASAP.

don't sweat matt - it's on the cd

xero
12-11-2004, 08:45 PM
while we're in this neck of the disco woods this mix http://www.djmixsessions.com/mixes/DJ_MIX_THE_20_YEAR_ITCH.mp3 by sheffield's swag (doesn't quite work in london that name does it?) is one of the best mixes i've heard recently, for the most part avoiding overused 'classics' and with some nice subtle fx & edits

dannyDMX
13-11-2004, 08:06 AM
re: http://www.djmixsessions.com/mixes/...0_YEAR_ITCH.mp3

mmm...Haven't Been Funked Enough!

Matt re-email me yr address and I'll send you the Stars ep on vinyl, and some CDs...I owe you. Some Acute stuff and I'll through some stuff on CDs. For real this time! I found a local shipping place...I work right next to NY's largest post-office, which made me exceptionally wary of shipping things as it always involved an extensive wait.

kek-w
14-11-2004, 11:38 AM
Yeah, Cowley's "Mind Warp and "Magaton Man" are genius. And what about UK Hi-NRG producer Ian Levine...surely the British Cheesemeister Supreme; remixed PSB, etc

dannyDMX
15-11-2004, 07:41 AM
I don't know anything about him, but the name rang a bell so I had to run to the hi-nrg cube of my record shelf and yup, I have volume 2 of a comp he was involved with called "Twelve Inches of Pleasure"! If that's not embarassing enough, I have to mention that he re-mixed my favorite track on it, a cover of the Jackie De Shannon (by way of the Searchers) "When You Walk in the Room" by the group known as, umm, Ramming Speed. Other fine selections on this comp include Love Reaction by Divine, Megatron Man, Lucky Tonight by Sarah Dash(Cowley produced), Hazell Dean's Evergreen, Velvette's Nothing's Worse than Being Alone, Countdown(Here I Come) by Kofi and the Lovetones and The Next in Line by Eric Roberts. If this was reissued on CD, would they have to call it Five Inches of Pleasure? What about minidisc?

redcrescent
15-11-2004, 01:27 PM
Ian Levine also produced things like Miquel Brown's "So many men, so little time" and, crucially, Evelyn Thomas' "High Energy". Wonder how that went down with his old northern soul audience (NB Levine was a one-time resident at the Blackpool Mecca). A good interview here (http://www.djhistory.com/djhistory/archiveInterviewDisplay.php?interview_id=18). (The rest of the www.djhistory.com site looks interesting too, especially the mixes. Brought to you by the authors of Last night a DJ...)
More hi-NRG than you'll ever need here (http://www.hotdiscomix.de/charts/hinrg_top200.htm).

kek-w
21-11-2004, 05:12 PM
. If this was reissued on CD, would they have to call it Five Inches of Pleasure? What about minidisc?

Heheheheh. :-)

Backjob
22-11-2004, 04:41 AM
Talking of Ian Levine I have a tune on his "record shack" label that I've always wanted to know more about, and this thread seems a good place to ask.

It's by Steve Grant and it's called "Run for cover" and it basically sounds like a cross between Northern Soul and hi-nrg - it's got the nothern style backbeat and pace, but is all electronic. The vocals sound like Earlene Bentley, but I'm not sure. I've only got the 7" and there's very little info on it.

Backjob
22-11-2004, 04:42 AM
...obv it's a cover of the original by the Dells...

massrock
02-07-2009, 01:53 PM
This forthcoming LP of 'lost' stuff - Patrick Cowley and Jorge Socarras present Catholic - sounds like it could be pretty fucking great.

There's a track 'Robot Children' to be heard here on the latest Wire Magazine radio show. At about 8m20s.

http://www.thewire.co.uk/articles/2657/

Not a million miles from the Conny Plank, Dieter Moebius, Mayo Thompson album, which is no bad thing in my book. When I first heard this not knowing what it was I thought it must be a Plank production. Interestingly that record also didn't get a release until much later. Check the one-note bassline and the proto-'Losing My Edge' subject matter. Stuff was recorded between 1976 and 1979 apparently.

polystyle desu
02-07-2009, 03:50 PM
Just got ms from Jorge - this Patrick Crowley proj is indeed fully 'on' and surfacing.
Jorge used to also be in ... Indoor Life.

Everything that should be released or rereleased is coming out.
so much stuff is just lying around ...

massrock
02-07-2009, 05:12 PM
Ah yes polystyle.

In that case we should have a bit of this.

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/9yVdcjMwXBg&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/9yVdcjMwXBg&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq2Jdan-mrw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMa5sDU9XtI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY0LgTBjz14

Also I see there was a bit of discussion here: http://www.woebot.com/movabletype/archives/000085.html

polystyle desu
02-07-2009, 07:35 PM
Aha -yes you've snagged 'em.
Jorge was also doorman at many clubs bk in that day, nice guy and popular too.
We shared a label with them for a NY minute.

mms
02-07-2009, 11:29 PM
Ah yes polystyle.

In that case we should have a bit of this.

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/9yVdcjMwXBg&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/9yVdcjMwXBg&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq2Jdan-mrw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMa5sDU9XtI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY0LgTBjz14

Also I see there was a bit of discussion here: http://www.woebot.com/movabletype/archives/000085.html

wow
anything not produced by cowley is a bit rubbish tho.
but it seems there are more tracks on this version with the reed sleeve i have the 5 track ep

dubble-u-c
07-10-2009, 07:54 PM
http://www.deejaypeeplay.com/megatronman/catholic.html

Catholic release party in SF october 18th.

There will also be a memorial to Patrick @ mama calizo's voice factory
http://www.deejaypeeplay.com/megatronman/memorial.html

firefinga
06-01-2017, 04:55 PM
https://www.discogs.com/Patrick-Cowley-Muscle-Up/release/7498351

Patrick Cowley "Muscle Up" compilation, his slower, some even ambient-ish tracks. Most is on youtube as well. Originally done as music for gay porn