french rejection of EU constitution

dominic

Beast of Burden
so what does this mean?

(1) a possible re-ordering of the political allignments in france? that is, are we now reaching the end of traditional socialist versus gaulist division to be succeeded by "the people" versus "globalizing elites" division? and how will this affect political allignments in other countries, like england and the united states?

(2) the decline of the euro as a currency??? -- if so, this will perhaps allow the dollar to regain value in spite of everything else -- and i suppose the english pound remains ever more solid
 

dominic

Beast of Burden
also -- for a text book case of ideologically blinkered journalism -- i.e., american-style free market ideology -- check the ny times coverage

subtext of this article is how the french are "fearful" of globalization and small-minded in trying to "punish" chirac -- and also how chirac has failed to lead the french people properly on the question of european union

this article treats the french as victims of false consciousness who've yet to get in-step with the imperatives of the global economy

however, seems to me that the french are onto something
 

dominic

Beast of Burden
badiou interesting as always -- especially on points #1 and #2

the suggestion that europeans re-think europe seems a bit empty --

and i found his suggestion of a return to a core franco-german alliance very curious -- especially the part about excluding the english

MOREOVER, why not work to hasten the demise of the current order rather than retreat to think things anew

that is, the easiest way to bring the contradictions of the capitalo-parliamentarian regime to a head would be to let the dollar plunge --

and though i'm mystified by macro-economics, i have the sense that this will likely only happen if the euro becomes the currency of choice for banks to denominate their holdings

so to the extent that the euro suffers from the french rejection of the european constitution, then the dollar is perpetuated

WHICH IS NOT TO SAY that such considerations should have been important to french voters -- no, i think they did the right thing in rejecting an economic-political order that would prove even more hostile to their interests and mode of living than present version of that order

and yet if europe were to become a great state w/ a currency more attractive than the dollar -- then that would likely bring an end to the global capitalist system (b/c of systemic crisis and likely global war), which is presumably what badiou desires
 
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3underscore

Well-known member
The rejection will just result in a rethink. I think many people voted no on the basis of inflation from the Euro, and many just to make a point that they aren't so keen on Europe compared to the politicians, and this was their first chance to express it.

the idea that this will lead to the dismantling of the euro is ridiculous.
 

afrobongo

Third Worldist
3underscore said:
The rejection will just result in a rethink. I think many people voted no on the basis of inflation from the Euro, and many just to make a point that they aren't so keen on Europe compared to the politicians, and this was their first chance to express it.

the idea that this will lead to the dismantling of the euro is ridiculous.

nope.

the debate was about the 3rd part of the contstitution, the one that incorporates the previous treaties and kinda defines a policy..

most french voters thought it wasn't "social" enough

and it wasn't their first chance..
 

Trollbass

Member
I live in the middle of this everyday...

There is no single reason for all that is happening now.

The French rejected the constitution because:
a) It was a document representing free market neo-liberal economic policies
b) Because they where sick of Chirac, unemployment and economic reforms (see vote for Le Pen in last preidential)
c) Because the French left, proved they where the closest thing to a UK Conservative party; split and campaigned against each other (and everyone else) resulting in an even larger failure.
c) Because they misunderstood the document, it was not explained/sold to them and they where caught up in the media frenzy

The Dutch rejected the constitution because:
a) they followed the French,
b) it was not explained or sold to them.

The UK would have rejected the constitution because:
a) They are, on the whole, completely ignorant and misinformed about the EU
b) They are an island.
c) They won the war (and they actually believe this statement)
d) The constitution was too 'social'
e) It was not sold to them and the EU cannot be discussed by any politician or journalist is a sensible manner at all
f) Optional: the BBC are increasingly anti-European.

In fact the treaty is nothing but a reordering of EU laws, in particular, compared to Amsterdam, the Single Act, Maastricht or even Rome. Nothing. It is just a relative failure of an attempt to make something more readable.



Now for the budget and this should be seen as, on the whole, a distinct subject from that of the constitution.

It failed because.

a) Tony Blair, fresh from a victory, wanted to assert his influence on the EU and push for a free market, non-integrated EU.
b) Chirac, fresh from a slap in the face, wanted to prove he was the hard man of Europe, fighting for the French way of life (farming) and refusing to renegotiate something which was agreed a few years ago.
c) Schroder, in the run up to an election, wanted to prove he was not the problem, but also keen to spend less German cash.
d) The Swedes, Danes and Dutch (all major net contributors) wanted to pay less.
e) The new member states wanted a fair deal and not for the rules to suddenly change in comparison to former enlargements
f) and the Irish: well they actually were the only ones I heard saying anything remotely altruistic: we got our money and are willing to give it up for the new member states in a spirit of solidarity.

So what does Europe need?

1) People to realise power is centralised in the hands of the member states within the Council of Ministers. This institution holds nearly all discussions behind closed doors. Does not published detailed accounts of its debates and basically stands for all that is wrong with an undemocratic Europe.
2) For people to understand how Europe affects their daily lives. For money to be spent on more than just agriculture.
3) For the press to actually publish information and not assume that we can only handle sound bites. Look at the media in other countries, they actually dare hold proper debates, publish entire documents and trust the people to think…
4) Refocus Europe on issues that will affect them e.g. Erasmus (university exchanges), R&D, infrastructure, cultural development, the environment etc.
5) Involve them in the debates and not just votes, have politicians stand up and take a firm position argue it, maybe allocate the media time for a whole speech and not just a 20 word bite.
6) Etc.


I short, Europe did not fail. The press and politicians failed to communicate it. Will there be some fundamental rethink. Not likely. Think of previous earth shattering moments, when the rebate was won, when the French refused UK entry twice etc. the list is endless. This is just a normal blip in an unstoppable multi-speed process. Right now we have over integrated and a breather will come, followed by another spurt.

I always get the impression people like drama more than mundane continuity. Europe will not disappear, the euro will not vanish, we are not enter a phase of fundamental restructuring; Europe is just continuing along its merry way.

My god I should stop now no one will read this 

Discuss 

T.
 
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