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gumdrops
07-06-2005, 11:16 PM
ok, so i know dissensus is probably too high brow and grown up to do good old fashioned appreciation posts, but i am listening to black ops on rinse right now (admittedly after coming back from the pub), and just wanted to share it with someone as i really like their beats. and whoever is MCing isnt that good, but reminds me of old pirate MCs more than a lot of grime MCs. excuse my black op ignorance, but their beats are dark and good.

DJL
08-06-2005, 06:40 PM
Black Ops are big. Some of my favourite vinyls from them. Got their own style.

boosted
08-06-2005, 08:27 PM
SubLow Presha!!!

SIZZLE
08-06-2005, 09:21 PM
yeah definite brapple to Jon E Cash, Dreddy & Co. They are definitely on their own thing and are definitely strong on the pure sound pressure tip. I feel like they're more in tune with the whole 808 crunk type of thing than a lot of the people going orchestral on grime, they're keeping it on some minimalist 'just drums' tip which can be real hot. They are also holding it down for the fastness side of grime as opposed to halftime doom bass sludge hop. They're capelton rmx 'inner heart' has stayed in my box and 'Battle' is just pure rowdiness with that blaring bass drop.

gumdrops
09-06-2005, 12:02 AM
i like their emphasis on drums too, much prefer it to the whole ridiculous swizz beats-goes-tubular bells-goes-grime approach of some of ruff squad's beats and things like that. ugh. the fastness is what i like about them also.

john eden
13-03-2008, 12:59 PM
I am rather liking "War", "Hoods Up" and "Merc" right now.

What else is good?

viktorvaughn
13-03-2008, 01:17 PM
DJ Dread D - For the Pirates is good. http://www.discogs.com/release/312615.

I also have Bang Bang Bang which I think is good, can't remember really.

Hoods Up is one of my all time top five grime instrumentals! Total classic.

Jon E Cash was so prolific compared to lots of more lauded Grime scene players. Black Ops really churned out the dark sublow vinyls, discogs lists up to 50 which is a lot by grime standards. That's probably about two if not three times the amount of vinyl put out by the whole of Ruff Sqwad! (Though RS are obviously at least three times better than Black Ops crew).

john eden
13-03-2008, 01:19 PM
Yeah it's interesting for a johnny come-lately like me... - is much of it completely rubbish? I'm guessing there was a drop off at some point....

I think Mr Bok Bok was saying he was making a comeback this year with the funky thing - makes sense given the 4/4 mixes on some of the flips...

john eden
13-03-2008, 01:20 PM
Also - did anyone actually like the vocals? :D

nomos
13-03-2008, 01:37 PM
no the vocals are usually bad afaik. case in point - all about the sex is great PAUG@sidewinder-style dirty garage if you never play the vocal side.

invade 2 / are 1 is a classic that i still need to get. totally out to lunch. lots of stuff still in print too.

anyone have their deuce cd? i've been after that.

nomos
13-03-2008, 01:44 PM
DJ Dread D - For the Pirates is good.
and #2 was really good.

crazy how they've been so prolific while sticking to a very tight formula yet in the right DJs hands, especially with decent MCs, it still, always gets me excited. such infectious stuff

john eden
13-03-2008, 01:59 PM
Yeah I've got #2 - "Friday" is wicked.

carmell
13-03-2008, 03:26 PM
anyone have their deuce cd? i've been after that.


yeah, i've got it at home. I'll post it up tonight.

Pestario
13-03-2008, 03:36 PM
I love how they use those little kid vocal samples just before the tune drops

continuum
13-03-2008, 03:56 PM
This recent blog post has some Black Ops tracks on it:
(can anyone name track 6?)

http://smugpolice.blogspot.com/2008/03/blog-post.html


They have produced a lot of vinyls but there are a select maybe ten tracks from those releases that work as complete tunes. Kamikaze is a personal :D

mos dan
13-03-2008, 04:12 PM
I am rather liking "War", "Hoods Up" and "Merc" right now.

What else is good?

Kettle !!!!!!!1111!1

CHEEEsus that riddim is good. Bok Bok and I considered forcing them to make a comeback last year, but decided our energies may be better spent elsewhere ;)

Jon E Cash is now just a host at funky house nights, it's a tragedy.

mos dan
13-03-2008, 04:15 PM
Yeah it's interesting for a johnny come-lately like me... - is much of it completely rubbish? I'm guessing there was a drop off at some point....

some dude whose name escapes me off dsf and rwd claims to know them all really well and says sublow is an entire movement, it is separate from grime, and it's still extant, just a very closed scene.. i dunno tho...

it is not completely rubbish though - this along with early grimey 8bar (as played by benga that time) is fantastic, afaic. simple stuff, but so effective.

continuum
13-03-2008, 04:17 PM
I've got a flyer somewhere that came with a Black Ops record that sets it all out. Hopefully I can find it.

mms
13-03-2008, 06:17 PM
I've got a flyer somewhere that came with a Black Ops record that sets it all out. Hopefully I can find it.

yeah i've got that too.
from the haywire ep i like that jon e cash - westside ep too - the instrumental more than the vocal maybe for the old fashioned 70s gangsta film samples the weird loloping drum sample

nomos
13-03-2008, 07:09 PM
yeah, i've got it at home. I'll post it up tonight.
yes! ottawa crew comes through :) thanks carmell

ps - i'm going to pm you about a gig coming up


this along with early grimey 8bar (as played by benga that time) is fantastic, afaic. simple stuff, but so effective.
yeah brilliant. black ops + eski + slimzos-related + menta/early-skream/benga = my idea of a good time. minimalism to maximum effect.

mos dan
13-03-2008, 07:21 PM
i had 'kettle' (ft god's gift) as my ring tone for most of last year actually (having finally worked out how to transfer mp3s to my phone, five years after everyone else :rolleyes:) - it might be for that reason, rather than anything objective, but i basically view kettle's bass line as the quintessential grime sound. there may be (marginally) better riddims out there, but the way that bass line warps gets me every time.

HELLO
13-03-2008, 07:36 PM
I think the guy from RWD you are talking about is natzta, he claims he is in Nasty Crew & that he works with all the Black Op's guys, not really sure how true it is though.

He probably posted this Black Op's mix up, its 35 mins long, I remember getting it off RWD years ago.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PPU7SG9J

Enjoy!

carmell
13-03-2008, 09:15 PM
not a problem, nomos.
here's the link:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ecg0eb
mixed by dj extreme

nomos
13-03-2008, 09:42 PM
lovely. thanks.

petergunn
14-03-2008, 03:19 AM
can someone post that Cameo Black Ops show that starts with the track w/ the ridiculous breakbeat...

john eden
15-03-2008, 07:33 PM
can someone post that Cameo Black Ops show that starts with the track w/ the ridiculous breakbeat...

File Name: Black_Ops-Live_on_1xtra-16.01.05-DAB-SKiL.mp3
Size: 47MB

http://www.sendspace.com/file/z0cesv

rockypoppy2
15-03-2008, 07:50 PM
we duck the 5-0 vocal is sick

i like some black ops vocals, swolla was quite fun
hoods up is just so hummable - i kind of put black ops on a par with early macabre unit - though their sound is so much more 3 dimensional these days

Nick Gutterbreakz
16-03-2008, 10:38 PM
i used to buy Black Ops twelves on sight. and Macabre unit for that matter. those were the days...

halfwaycrook
17-03-2008, 01:46 PM
Jon e cash...put the kettle on....
heavy, so heavy.
I love how jon e cash, and the rest of black ops can put out what seems like hundreds tracks and they're all bangin'

gumdrops
17-03-2008, 02:18 PM
this era was brilliant.

Immryr
17-03-2008, 04:53 PM
black ops were brilliant at their best, but a lot of the stuff they put out is pretty crap.

gremino
18-03-2008, 04:13 PM
New Black Ops-project, Da Future Music:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=70148318

outraygeous
19-03-2008, 11:18 AM
pre 'war'

jon e cash and the west london movment were unheard of in grime.

slimzee broke that tune with great effect and they still never released the proper version which was a shame.

jon e was banging out sublo tracks back in 98/99

definetly goes down as an inovator in the grime scene

MK-ULTRA
13-12-2010, 08:23 PM
any chance of a re-up of the deuce cd?

continuum
13-12-2010, 08:29 PM
is Jon E Cash making a comeback? > http://www.youtube.com/user/blackopssublow?feature=autoshare

slackk
13-12-2010, 09:10 PM
what a wistful thread

black ops were the best grime label, the ultimate, for me.

luka
14-12-2010, 01:30 AM
yeah but the vocals were fucking appaling.

continuum
14-12-2010, 06:56 AM
strange really because when they performed live the vocals were good

john eden
14-12-2010, 02:03 PM
any chance of a re-up of the deuce cd?

yeah, hold tight.

Just listening to some Macabre Unit stuff, pretty amazing.

outraygeous
14-12-2010, 02:50 PM
Tread digging.

Drop top Bimma kid

benjybars
14-12-2010, 03:31 PM
it's hard to deny War, which sounds fucking immense on a big system, and i really like Battle, but that's basically a reworking of War... other than that tho, a lot of the releases on black ops were pretty samey and average i reckon.

actually Do It / Fairground is pretty good.

alex
14-12-2010, 03:34 PM
benjy how can you forget

Spanish Fly
How we get down an R
R-Ha
Invasion 1&2

And there is a silver one with 'BLACK OPS DUBPLATE' as the only thing on it that is fucking super deep.

And lets all not forget that Dread D is T.Williams, unbelievably talented guy.

4linehaiku
14-12-2010, 04:08 PM
I personally rate Cash Beat (Hoods Up Instrumental), Kettle and War the most. There were a fair few mediocre ones too though, it's undeniable.

john eden
14-12-2010, 04:26 PM
any chance of a re-up of the deuce cd?

http://www.yousendit.com/download/RlRvclVFdVU5bER2Wmc9PQ

Sectionfive
14-12-2010, 05:23 PM
I love when threads like this pop up on here.
Cheers

slackk
14-12-2010, 11:21 PM
I honestly don't think there's a single poor Black Ops release. I'm only missing two, maybe those ones are.

Plus the unreleased shit is the bollocks.

outraygeous
16-12-2010, 11:08 AM
I need to chat to my mate who had a mini disc full of jon e cash beats that never came out.

He probably lost it, then again there is DJ Dice, he might have some stuff from back in the day.

Grime/Garage novelty trivia

Jon e cash was on Lush FM, used to MC for Bluedread. The management thought his mcing was so bad they kicked him off.

Sectionfive
04-09-2011, 06:08 PM
three pages of downloads on Charmzy's SC

http://soundcloud.com/charmzy/tracks

continuum
16-03-2013, 06:51 PM
I honestly don't think there's a single poor Black Ops release. I'm only missing two, maybe those ones are.

Plus the unreleased shit is the bollocks.

This may be of interest
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8389/8562155911_dd71547fc6_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/77663151@N00/8562155911/)

benw
17-03-2013, 03:30 AM
i really want one of the ones with a female mc. think its acutally called below 40 hz, first track on one of the showcase mix's for richie vibe, 1xtra.h

Pandiculate
17-03-2013, 04:02 AM
Who listened to Jon E Cash on Spyros show? Hope they release on boomkat/juno for the WAVs

rubberdingyrapids
17-03-2013, 10:49 AM
i got loads of their stuff cheap from independance and uptown. every grime producer from the mid 00s should be made to release a white label classics type album. in fact, if dj magic is reading this, can you do a white label classics series for grime producers? id like to see albums from waifa, skepta, etc.

wise
17-03-2013, 11:37 AM
just download the tunes off soulseek and send Jon e Cash a fiver, better than paying for a bunch of transcoded mp3s on a cd

john eden
19-01-2018, 09:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr1BOzNdne4

This is the first in depth thing I've seen about the history of it all and it definitely has its moments.

There is predictably some grim misogyny at 1:15:00 ish though.

(It also suffers from classic hagiography but if you can't blow your own trumpet what's the point eh...)

Interesting also to see that Black Ops records are starting to increase in price on Discogs.

Oh yeah and Cash Beat / Hoods Up features on the Kurrupt FM mix CD...

luka
19-01-2018, 09:44 AM
they were basically the dumb version of grime. fun enough but definitely 2nd rate.

luka
19-01-2018, 09:45 AM
nothing good ever comes out of west london lets face it.

sadmanbarty
19-01-2018, 09:47 AM
they were basically the dumb version of grime. fun enough but definitely 2nd rate.


nothing good ever comes out of west london lets face it.

i disagreed with the first point, but you one me over with the 2nd one.

luka
19-01-2018, 09:52 AM
listen to their MCs. its funny cos there is definietly something in the water there. its the same dumb spite and stupidity you see today in 1011. no subtlety. something in the water there.

luka
19-01-2018, 10:22 AM
like theyre trying to prove something. no wit no style.

CORP$EY
19-01-2018, 10:24 AM
https://s.blogcdn.com/blog.moviefone.com/media/2013/05/r-notting-hill-bookshop-large570.jpg

"Care to hear the latest black ops tape, madam?"

john eden
19-01-2018, 10:25 AM
If you watch the interview there is a lot of chat about being their first with dark tunes before grime or eski.

I mean, they are clearly condemned to being the runners up but I still think it's an interesting bit of the history.

john eden
19-01-2018, 10:56 AM
There is an amusing bit in the interview where he talks about taking a box of "Hoe's Don't Mean Shit To Me" twelves into a record shop and finding an unimpressed woman behind the counter.

CORP$EY
19-01-2018, 11:02 AM
two options there

1. distinguish between 'hoes' and 'respectable women'
2. say 'Actually, a hoe is an ancient and versatile agricultural and horticultural hand tool used to shape soil, remove weeds, clear soil, and harvest root crops.'

luka
19-01-2018, 11:13 AM
If you watch the interview there is a lot of chat about being their first with dark tunes before grime or eski.

I mean, they are clearly condemned to being the runners up but I still think it's an interesting bit of the history.

total bullshit though. not even close. i do like the tunes but no way did they do dark first.

john eden
19-01-2018, 11:16 AM
total bullshit though. not even close. i do like the tunes but no way did they do dark first.

I don't really care but that doesn't surprise me :D.

john eden
19-01-2018, 11:17 AM
two options there

1. distinguish between 'hoes' and 'respectable women'
2. say 'Actually, a hoe is an ancient and versatile agricultural and horticultural hand tool used to shape soil, remove weeds, clear soil, and harvest root crops.'

The interviewer eventually went for option 1 - "Hoes and Queens". Which is still a misogynist trope of course.

sadmanbarty
19-01-2018, 01:26 PM
listen to their MCs. its funny cos there is definietly something in the water there. its the same dumb spite and stupidity you see today in 1011. no subtlety. something in the water there.

of course the mcs are garbage. i do love the instrumentals though

CrowleyHead
20-01-2018, 02:06 PM
of course the mcs are garbage. i do love the instrumentals though

Watched this thing years back where it was Hyper b2b on mic with Jon E Cash. Diabolical disparity in enjoyment.

owengriffiths
22-01-2018, 12:34 PM
listen to their MCs. its funny cos there is definietly something in the water there. its the same dumb spite and stupidity you see today in 1011. no subtlety. something in the water there.

I raise you SLK, Are You Really from the ends, and Musical Mob.