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Woebot
30-06-2005, 09:01 AM
It's k-punk's birthday soon, and he's always been plagueing me for a comp of Mover/Gloomy Stuff, so I took the time to dig out and go through all my Gloomcore tracks and cherry-picked 2 CDs of stuff, which I recorded to disk from vinyl.

Does anyone know these tracks? Was I the only person besides blissblogger (?) who managed to source any of these at the time? Does anyone have any recherche recommendations?

I found 80% of my Gloomcore in one go. In Spitalfields market there was an extremely dodgy little store run by a creature (OK thats unkind ;)) called Tog. I found over 100 PCP, Cold Rush and Dance Ecstacy releases in one of the bargain bins. It took a very long time to convince the bloke to actally sell them to me (3 weeks ringing him up and pestering him up) He said he needed to get them priced accurately, but I think eventually gave up, and sold them to me for a quid or so each. I actually went through them a few years ago (2000?) and weeded out the crap, quite thoroughly and well, if I remember so no gasping at the back. Sacre blue! etc

Was very weirded out at the time cos I was a member of the Alien Underground Gabba mailing list (where I found quite a few other PCP tracks, that along with the Soul and Dance M&V where I scored Spiritual Combat and Into Mekong Centre, actually Spiritual Combat was the only track i wished I'd put on here, but must have forgotten to hook it out). Anyway Alien Underground had an editorial where they said their container had been broken into and a load of PCP records had been stolen. I did REALLY worry that, given the quite shady nature of Tog, he might have been complicit as a Gabba fence. But, BUT, the dates were wrong. My records were available BEFORE the alleged break-in. Still it was a bit uncomfortable, though I stopped short of ringing Simon Underground and telling him lest he impound my Gloomcore :)

Just for the record, in the past I have permanently boycotted 2 record stores who I found knowingly sold stolen records. I'm a righteous git at the best of times.

AND BEFORE YOU ASK, NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE A COPY OF THESE CDs.

NO!

This one's for the k-punk alone.
Though I was amazed how much Arcadipane was available at Gemm, so get thee hence.

ps For the record, two of these tunes "untitled" and the Slaves to the Rave Remix come from a cassette Simon made me back in 1997 (!!!). I have a version of Slaves to the Rave on vinyl as well, but its the original. The remix, in this instance, is superior.

Woebot
30-06-2005, 09:04 AM
Simon's PCP piece (http://members.aol.com/blissout/mover.htm)

Rachel Verinder
30-06-2005, 09:35 AM
my piece from three years ago.

http://cookham.blogspot.com/2002_10_27_cookham_archive.html#83708655

Gido
30-06-2005, 11:01 AM
i'm from holland so i know em all! ;)

btw. the music is getting harder again nowadays at hardcore raves, for years it used to be all this hardstyle, hardcore with the balls cut off, even marc moved into this area with aca. atm styles like industrial are gaining popularity, these tracks are all hard distortion and noise.

Blackdown
30-06-2005, 01:38 PM
how can gabba get harder?

mms
30-06-2005, 01:44 PM
i've got those 2 mover cds - the cold rush and dance extacy back cats if you like i'll burn em.
got quite alot of that kind of stuff and old mover on vine as well, plus some of the 'inspired by ' stuff.
do you know that c-tank track - nightmares are reality - good one that

blissblogger
30-06-2005, 03:12 PM
"Burning Universe" -- don't know that one! which release is that on?

another one i don't recognise "Eastern Origin"...

and not sure about "Immortal" either!

"frozen boom erection" -- what a title! and the lower case thing, ee cummingsy...

there's a fair few other gems scattered across the discography, Rave Creator's "Thru Eternal Fog" , Cypher's "marchin into madness', Reign's "Light and Dark", Miro's "Bass Drum Elevation", Dr MacabreVoodoo Nightmare from Ghost Stories: Chapter One, and he did another EP that was really good

Reign's "Hall" is pretty amazing, although really has to be heard in a largish room at largish volume, ideally with the lights turned off

the crucial third CD would be best-of of the Horrorist including his collaborations with Miro as SuperPower... Oliver Chesler is still putting out records (big in Germany, or was for a while) and the last one he did with Miro was pretty great if not exactly shattering the mold

Gido
30-06-2005, 04:09 PM
"Burning Universe" -- don't know that one! which release is that on?

another one i don't recognise "Eastern Origin"...

and not sure about "Immortal" either!

burning universe is on the final frustration lp, eastern origin is by alien christ if i remember correctly, immortal is by rave creator and is featured on the best of 89-97 double pack.



"frozen boom erection" -- what a title! and the lower case thing, ee cummingsy...

there's a fair few other gems scattered across the discography, Rave Creator's "Thru Eternal Fog" , Cypher's "marchin into madness', Reign's "Light and Dark", Miro's "Bass Drum Elevation", Dr MacabreVoodoo Nightmare from Ghost Stories: Chapter One, and he did another EP that was really good



yes, brilliant titles. dr macabre is not marc acardipane but a french guy. i saw him live last year, good but not great.



the crucial third CD would be best-of of the Horrorist including his collaborations with Miro as SuperPower... Oliver Chesler is still putting out records (big in Germany, or was for a while) and the last one he did with Miro was pretty great if not exactly shattering the mold

big in holland too, especially flesh is the fever was a HUGE hit. he did some electroclash stuff as well, not so great. i think his sound isnt so good as i used to be, now that he's doing in all inside a computer.

juicy fact: oliver threw up in my toilet once. :p i'm so proud! ;)

blissblogger
30-06-2005, 05:25 PM
i think dr macabre is the same guy as renegade legion

Pearsall
30-06-2005, 06:52 PM
how can gabba get harder?

well, if it get softer for a while, as it did with newstyle. all that Neophyte sort of 160 bpm distorted kick drum and cheezy anthemic synths (and even the odd whack of pop tunage).

boomnoise
30-06-2005, 07:22 PM
i can't do anything other than laugh to 'slave to the rave' - the vocal on that track just tickles me everytime

mms
01-07-2005, 07:35 AM
i have a soft spot for vs evil off franfurt trx 4
also one of his breakbeat ones - black blood
but one of the greatest tracks off all time is nighflight to chaos - (parallels with night drive thru babylon)

hamarplazt
03-07-2005, 01:08 PM
Does anyone know these tracks? Was I the only person besides blissblogger (?) who managed to source any of these at the time? Does anyone have any recherche recommendations?

I know most of them. It's a pretty good selection, but actually most of my personal favorites isn't on it. Nothing from the "Sickness"-trilogy, or from Program 1s "Louder than a Bomb"-EP, or from the "Doom Supporters"-EP (by far the greatest of the Cold Rush records IMO)? An Acardipane-best of should at least include these:
Reconstructin Instructions (the ideal opener, from Frontal Sickness. Actually, that EP should really be included in full)
Invite the Fear (from Frontal Sickness 2)
World Downfall+The Emperor Takes Place (from Final Sickess, some of the scariest pieces of music I've ever heard)
Betrayer+U Got a Light? (from Louder than a Bomb)
All of Doom Supporters: Rave Creator: Me- the Master, Cypher: H-Flash, Tanochinjiaii: Fallen Angel, Tilt!: Psycho Whistler.

A record worth mentioning too is the Frankfurt Trax vol.II compilation, all Acardipane except two tracks where he collaborates with DJ Dag and Sven Väth! It really shows how far his talent stretched, from the rampage of "We Have Arrived" over deep, hypnotic doom-house to strange experimental stuff. One of the greatest albums of 92.

There's also the acid side of the PCP-equation: 303 Nation/ 100% Acidiferous. Some amazing tracks there too.

hamarplazt
03-07-2005, 01:17 PM
how can gabba get harder?
Gabber can allways get harder it seems. It's always possible to mangle the sounds even more, making them more metallic and massive and punishing.

hamarplazt
03-07-2005, 01:23 PM
do you know that c-tank track - nightmares are reality - good one that
Yeah, that Nightmares... album trilogy is classic. Somehow C-Tank was a completely different thing from gloomcore, though. No fat mentasm sounds or thick kick drums or anything, just incredibly fast and shrill machine music. The most deliberately ungroovy stuff I've ever encountered - like they didn't want you to dance to it at all.

hamarplazt
03-07-2005, 01:26 PM
i think dr macabre is the same guy as renegade legion
Indeed. His most well known pseudonym is probably Lunatic Asylum, though. The track "The Meltdown" was one of the biggest trance hits of 93.

minikomi
03-07-2005, 02:17 PM
so... you have some music u really like, you got it cheap, and we can't hear it?

awesome.

hamarplazt
03-07-2005, 03:03 PM
Nothing from the "Sickness"-trilogy, or from Program 1s "Louder than a Bomb"-EP, or from the "Doom Supporters"-EP (by far the greatest of the Cold Rush records IMO)?
Ah, I just saw "Me- the Master" from Doom Supportes is included... sorry about that my good man.

Woebot
04-07-2005, 08:45 AM
so... you have some music u really like, you got it cheap, and we can't hear it?

awesome.

sorry blud.

(whispers) though you may be able to get some stuff on slsk.

try gemm too.

minikomi
04-07-2005, 12:34 PM
'sall good!

here.. have a knifehandchop set.

blinggggg (http://grep-fu.net/knifehandchop%20-%20mixtape%20radio%20set.mp3)

k-punk
06-07-2005, 11:21 AM
CDs arrived yesterday and are predictably fabulous -

atm my favourites are Renegade Legion - forbiddingly but compulsively abstrakt, like an alien unlifeform stalking vast underground titanium corridors - and Cypher's 'Frozen Boom Erection' which is not as mentasmatic as its title suggests, but spaced out and quasi-sino -

what i love about gloomcore is that

(1) it has a consistent philosophy, a conceptual world - like all genre production, it is not about 'self-expression' but the exploration of certain conceptual, affective and sonic permutations - I guess an alternative name for it would be Gothic rave, rave beyond the pleasure principle - Acadipane really fingered this in that quotation Simon cited in his piece: "Imagine surveying earth after nuclear destruction and enjoying what you see, that's how it feels when you listen to it." * - it's so true!

(2) the sound actually delivers what the track titles promise - I remember being crushingly disappointed with heavy metal as a kid because the titles would invoke all manner of infernal practices but when you got to hear the music it would just be hoary old rock and roll - like all rave, gloomcore is not 'music' at all and it revels in the 'machinic surplus value' of new technology, the potentials for production of abstract sounds that have no correlate in nature.

* Does anyone know where there are any other interviews with Acardipane btw?

Been fascinated by what they play upstairs at the Slimelight, which is another version of Gothic Rave - not quite gloomcore, but traversing some of the same forbidding sonc wastes - it's sometimes referred to as Power Noise and it's like 'rave Merzbow' - the indifferentist impersonalism of Merzbow (much of his stuff sounds like recordings of the sun) with a beat - acts like Winterkalte, Terrorfakt and Hypnoskull, who sound like an earth scorched or frozen to the point where human habitation is no longer possible - there's so much distortion on the percussion that listening to it is like putting your body into a threshing machine - bliss! Does anyone know anything about this stuff?

(Also, I know Matt is justly wearied by making all manner of CDs for folks, but I'll be happy to make copies of the gloomcore CDs for ppl - first five folk to contact me with their address can have em).

Grievous Angel
06-07-2005, 11:44 AM
(1) it has a consistent philosophy, a conceptual world - like all genre production, it is not about 'self-expression' but the exploration of certain conceptual, affective and sonic permutations
Hey! I think this is what I mean when I say I'm not interested in "originality" in music, and am quite happy withy genres / acts that plough the same furrow, as long as it's a good furrow, cf. the Fall, ragga jungle, UKG, folk music, dancehall...

Tim F
06-07-2005, 01:50 PM
That's a really nice quote actually Mark (the one Paul quotes) - crystallises an issue I've been thinking about a lot lately.

hamarplazt
06-07-2005, 08:02 PM
(1) it has a consistent philosophy, a conceptual world - like all genre production, it is not about 'self-expression' but the exploration of certain conceptual, affective and sonic permutations - I guess an alternative name for it would be Gothic rave
Actually, this was exactly what The Horrorist called his style.



Been fascinated by what they play upstairs at the Slimelight, which is another version of Gothic Rave - not quite gloomcore, but traversing some of the same forbidding sonc wastes - it's sometimes referred to as Power Noise and it's like 'rave Merzbow' - the indifferentist impersonalism of Merzbow (much of his stuff sounds like recordings of the sun) with a beat - acts like Winterkalte, Terrorfakt and Hypnoskull, who sound like an earth scorched or frozen to the point where human habitation is no longer possible - there's so much distortion on the percussion that listening to it is like putting your body into a threshing machine - bliss! Does anyone know anything about this stuff?

It seem to be the current version of what is usually known as "noisecore", as well as what I'm calling avant gabber. A main pioneer is probably DJ Freak, who made a lot of stuff that was somewhere between pure noize and full on industrial strenght gabber. Especially his records on Kill Out were ahead of this game. Equally important was the french DJ Laurent Ho, aka Ingler, who divided his output between experimental stuff, groovy gabber paving the way for the Hellfish/Producer style, and the kind of ice cold crunchy stuff you seem to be after. One of the overlooked masters I think, even if he's too prolific. And of course there was the equally overprolific dane Lasse Steen, who started out with Drop Bass terror acid, but eventually developed his own kind of fusion between gloomcore melodies and heavy, broken beated noizefests, mainly as Senical.

The main avant gabber label was Fischkopf (mentioned in an old thread I think), and once again I'll have to recommend the unbelieveable work of the Michelson sisters, Poka (aka No Name/Erase Head) and Stella (aka Auto Psy/Mouse). Sometimes more like musique concrete with a beat (and an insanely brutal one), but certainly related.

kingofcars
06-07-2005, 09:10 PM
hypnoskull, converter, winterkalte, imminent starvation, etc are from a different branch than the fischkopf/hangars liquides avantgabber/noisecore sound...(btw, i always felt dj freak was really overrated...relentlessly pounding and monotonous, without the transcendent qualities...like really bad sex)
labels like *hands* productions, ant-zen, hymen, etc (some crossover w/ things like somatic responses and v. snares there, too) are more in the powernoise scene...the tempos tend to be slower (more like 130-160 bpm as opposed to 240+), and the sound palette is more abrasive and narrow, much less psychedelic.

lasse steen's senical outfit is often much in the powernoise vein, definitely...the records he put out on killing rate were particularly good (i sold my copies years ago, sadly - one of the biggest mistakes i've ever made!)....all of his work is excellent, and fans of gloomy rave music should DEFINITELY take note. he records under names like skullblower, senical, choose, rules of anger, and a bunch of others i can't remember...

six shooter records and the epiteth sublabel uncivilised world are both worth mentioning in this thread as well...

hamarplazt
07-07-2005, 11:45 AM
hypnoskull, converter, winterkalte, imminent starvation, etc are from a different branch than the fischkopf/hangars liquides avantgabber/noisecore sound...(btw, i always felt dj freak was really overrated...relentlessly pounding and monotonous, without the transcendent qualities...like really bad sex)

As with the others mentioned, I think DJ Freaks main problem was being too prolific. He made tons of extremely boring, samey stuff, but when he was really on, like some of the tracks on the Industrial Trauma double, or the wonderfully titled Alien Ravers, Drug Crazed Rioters and Man Eating Machines EP on Laurent Hos Epiteth label, he used his narrowness to his own advantage.

While Fischkopf/Hangars Liquides was mainly (but not completely) a different (if related) school, both Freak and Ho have made stuff that are quite close to at least Converter, the only one of the mentioned names I really know.



lasse steen's senical outfit is often much in the powernoise vein, definitely...the records he put out on killing rate were particularly good (i sold my copies years ago, sadly - one of the biggest mistakes i've ever made!)....all of his work is excellent, and fans of gloomy rave music should DEFINITELY take note. he records under names like skullblower, senical, choose, rules of anger, and a bunch of others i can't remember...

The Killing Rate records suffer from bad pressing, and is a bit uneven IMO, but they certainly also contain some of his greatest tracks. Some other noteworthy Lasse aliases: P.Server/Fields of Defacement (on Fischkopf), Dark Session (two of his best ever records, on Six Shooter sublabel Darkness), Fast Identities (on Fraud). The PCP-sublabel Power Plant, probably most known from the Dr. Macabre Voodoo Nightmare 12", was actually originally made as a label for Lasse and his friends Zekt (Søren Weile and Lars Frederiksen) to use exclusively for their particular brand of hard acid. In particular the first Power Plant EP by Formalities (Lasse and Søren) is excellent. People should check out the four Zekt EPs too. Not powernoise, but absolutely mindwrecking, doomy power acid.

kingofcars
07-07-2005, 06:43 PM
As with the others mentioned, I think DJ Freaks main problem was being too prolific. He made tons of extremely boring, samey stuff, but when he was really on, like some of the tracks on the Industrial Trauma double, or the wonderfully titled Alien Ravers, Drug Crazed Rioters and Man Eating Machines EP on Laurent Hos Epiteth label, he used his narrowness to his own advantage.

While Fischkopf/Hangars Liquides was mainly (but not completely) a different (if related) school, both Freak and Ho have made stuff that are quite close to at least Converter, the only one of the mentioned names I really know.

i'm not familiar with the industrial trauma record, but the one freak did for epiteth was pretty good.
there's definitely some crossover between the noisecore and powernoise scenes, agreed.

the powernoise scene also has some tragic crossover with the neo-ebm scene. i feel like people into things like converter also are often into say, velvet acid christ or wumpscut or suicide commando or whatever....

hamarplazt
07-07-2005, 07:01 PM
the powernoise scene also has some tragic crossover with the neo-ebm scene. i feel like people into things like converter also are often into say, velvet acid christ or wumpscut or suicide commando or whatever....
The scenes for goth and noise often collaborate. This is probably because of some common ancestry in early industrial.

kingofcars
07-07-2005, 11:08 PM
i know oliver chesler and gang have a big thing for dirk ivens, who's pretty err...hit or miss in my books....

i like how techno and hardcore have taken more influences from ebm in the past few years, especially post-electroclash...chesler, terence fixmer, thomas heckmann, david caretta's last album, and even miro, adopting big chugging slabs of raw analog bass, harder kicks, etc... i worry when things get a little too over-the-top, though...can't handle too many screechy distorted vocals...

originaldrum
08-07-2005, 10:20 PM
how can you say that no one would know these tunes - it has one of my all time fav's - unknown by unknown! a classic!

philblackpool
31-07-2009, 01:52 PM
Been skimming through the archives, partly looking for a gabba thread...maybe this is the only one?!

I'd agree with the big-ups for Dr Macabre ("Poltergeist", "Dance Macabre" etc) & the 303 Nation/100% Acidiferous stuff...

I always felt the UK operations that followed PCP were left out in the cold a bit in round-ups. They didn't really emerge til right at the end of the nineties & I guess they sorta sit in a furrow for those who still want to hear new PCP stuff, but I'm OK with that. Last Tomorrow Records & associated labels were pretty ace for a while I thought...diminishing returns, but well worth having at least one of theirs (still cheap on Discogs I think). "Phuture Rush" is probably my favourite. A fairly big K influence throughout. Fifth Era seem to have got expensive (the records were certainly limited). Sometimes yr not quite certain what speed the records are, they're so slow compared to the gabba stuff that surrounds them. Pounding though. Really heavily influenced by the darker early nineties european rave stuff, & more eerie themes about psychedelic experiences going wrong, Wearside Jack etc.

There was a really interesting interview with the guy from Disciples of Belial (sorta death metal/speedcore crossover act whose records cost a bomb now) in Record Collector a few months ago about some of the real rarities of the PCP era.

Power Nosie: always wanted to like it & thought I should, but I think its one of those things that are less than the sum of their parts, principally because its not very good dance music. Oh & I never found the really great DJ Freak records either....I want to, but I'm almost tempted to say he should go into the sacred cows thread...maybe not a household name, but when he is mentioned, its usually in hushed tones! :)

Aww Nein
08-05-2011, 10:25 PM
sooo, tryna ressurect this thread from the cosmic grave it got sent to, after reading this nice primer to acardipane etc

http://www.pendu.org/mag/2011/02/16/darkness-is-not-mystical-it%E2%80%99s-your-everyday-reality-apocalyptik-tekno/

links to an interview with him also

Anyone know much about Fifth Era? pretty into a lot of their stuff recently, would love to see the live but seems to all be in amsterdam (despite being london based)... maybe im missing the info...

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and related project

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nice hypnotic mix here also, mind wipe

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Aww Nein
10-05-2011, 10:47 PM
whats up? people too busy bickering about future garage?

none "ruder" then this.... (not too gloomy though)

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Ory
11-05-2011, 04:49 AM
this >>>>> anything that's going on in the uk at the moment

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