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Woebot
28-07-2005, 03:53 PM
Whats happened to Eskimo dance? Is it still going?

ambrose
28-07-2005, 04:07 PM
the eskimo dance and mixitup sites are down. guess wiley couldnt be arsed any more. it always seemed to end in toruble so maybe he thinks that he needs to work on more prestigious projects

Logan Sama
28-07-2005, 11:57 PM
Wiley never put on Eskimo Dance, it was Mix It Up.

simon silverdollar
28-07-2005, 11:59 PM
i heard the police won't let eskimodance happen within the m25 anymore, but that may be lies.

gumdrops
29-07-2005, 12:05 AM
he should hold eskimo dance soon, cos i bet the police could care less about a rave in light of recent events.

Fiddy
29-07-2005, 12:20 AM
silverdollar is closer to the truth

DJL
29-07-2005, 12:18 PM
Think the last Eskimo Dance was in Watford?

Woebot
29-07-2005, 09:34 PM
hmm. thats kind of sad. i just imagined it would go on forever. that id be taking my grandchildren to it.

ambrose
30-07-2005, 06:18 PM
"Martin Clark: How did Eski Dance come about?

Wiley: One day I just wanted to do a rave innit? I thought of the name and went to Mix It Up promotions and did it with them. We had the first, the second, the third and its going well. Were on our fifth one now. We just tried to get all the people in the scene under one roof. "


last one i heard about was in nottingham. after that i heard a rumour about one in glasgow but never saw anything else about it.

Fiddy
31-07-2005, 03:47 PM
there's more to the story but I wouldn't want to stir it....

Woebot
31-07-2005, 10:02 PM
there's more to the story but I wouldn't want to stir it....

tsk! spill the beans!

Logan Sama
31-07-2005, 10:55 PM
There isn't really much more to say. the police won't let them put it on in the Greater London area because at the 2nd to last one 1,000 people were locked out of the rave and it redquired 200 police officers to come and control them, and the last one someone was arrested on the door with a gun.

Neither really the fault of the promoters, but that's what happened.

DJ Lioness
01-08-2005, 04:34 AM
What Fiddy doesn't want to say is that it was locked off because Logan attempted to ventilate the roof!

Logan Sama
01-08-2005, 05:19 AM
I never got a chance to play, otherwise that surely would have happened

Melchior
01-08-2005, 05:43 AM
Maybe they closed it down because Logan told all the promoters not to book him at their raves? Once Logan was off limits, what was the point?

gumdrops
02-08-2005, 05:39 PM
its back, according to:

http://www.chantellefiddy.blogspot.com/

ambrose
02-08-2005, 07:24 PM
"Trainers and sportswear allowed all nights but keep it smart, NO hoods or hats."

this is TOO big!!!!!! wonder when it will be, hope it will be a date i can make it down. not tues nights like they had at area LOL!

captain easychord
02-08-2005, 08:38 PM
that's amazing! i'll be in london to boot!!

DJL
09-08-2005, 03:04 PM
Bad news for any event at the Empire in MK unfortunately (where the above Eskimo Dance was to take place in October). Below is a piece from the local paper out today:

Big puzzle as the Empire falls silent

MYSTERY surrounds the future of controversial music venue The Empire after its public entertainment licence was not renewed.
Promoters were told last week that all
forthcoming events at the nightclub have been
cancelled, although it is not yet known whether it will actually close.
Clive Faine, of The Empire's landlord Abbeygate, told the Citizen: "We are worried because our commitment to the council and English Partnership is to do our best to keep the Leisure Plaza open.
"But you can only keep things open if you have got a licence to keep them open."
Yesterday, The Empire's manager Tony Rosenberg declined to comment.
Venues have to give 28 days notice when applying for a public entertainment licence, but The Empire's deadline lapsed on July 31.
As a result all live music events and club nights have been
cancelled.
A promoter for the Deadly Fusion drum 'n' bass night, who had planned a event for Saturday August 20, said he had received a call at the end of last week saying it had been cancelled.
Council spokesman Craig Barton said: "The Empire's public
entertainment licence expired at the end of July.
"They can of course re-apply at any time and they need to give us 28 days notice, but unfortunately the earliest licensing committee will be in September."




Tony Rosenberg was also the owner of The Sanctuary in Milton Keynes. IMO, and from little bits I've heard, the council have a vendetta against him...

captain easychord
09-08-2005, 03:09 PM
ok can someone fill me in on the whole rave situation in london? why is it impossible to hold a party? who is this council?

DJL
09-08-2005, 03:35 PM
ok can someone fill me in on the whole rave situation in london? why is it impossible to hold a party? who is this council?


This is actually about the Empire in Milton Keynes (about 50mins drive from London). Home to the recently destroyed (to make way for MK Dons football stadium, Asda and Ikea :mad: ) Sanctuary Music Arena which has played a big part in keeping the underground alive over the last 10 years or so.

ambrose
09-08-2005, 03:46 PM
anywhere that legally has music events and alcohol, opens late etc needs a licence, granted by the local council. MK is a sort of US style town with a grid system and all zoned out. the local council (local gov. authority) have got the power to grant or not to grant licences to establishments that want to have music, dancing and serve alcolhol (although these are served by different types of licence), and clubs need to have licences that allow them to stay open late at night. so if a venue breaks the term of the licence, eg theres drug taking at the club (hahaahha), rowdy punters causing problems or soemthing, or complaints from residents about nosie, then the council may not renew a licence.

so if you want to stay legal, you have to go through a fairly tortourous prcess to be able to put on events. of course, back in the heyday of raves, it was all illegal, there was no worries about licensing, but since the criminal justice bill of 1994, which was specifically designed to stop raves, people are generally more inclined to use legal licensed venues, which severely restricts the ability to put on big events generally. sanctuary used to host massive hardcore events (legal tho) like world dance and n.a.s.a back in the day until it closed down, and the council might have got problems with basically having 1000's of kids congregating and getting fucked/having fun.

its worth bearing in mind that i have no idea what im talking about, btu theres a kernel of truth in all that i think.

DJL
09-08-2005, 03:50 PM
anywhere that legally has music events and alcohol, opens late etc needs a licence, granted by the local council. MK is a sort of US style town with a grid system and all zoned out. the local council (local gov. authority) have got the power to grant or not to grant licences to establishments that want to have music, dancing and serve alcolhol (although these are served by different types of licence), and clubs need to have licences that allow them to stay open late at night. so if a venue breaks the term of the licence, eg theres drug taking at the club (hahaahha), rowdy punters causing problems or soemthing, or complaints from residents about nosie, then the council may not renew a licence.

so if you want to stay legal, you have to go through a fairly tortourous prcess to be able to put on events. of course, back in the heyday of raves, it was all illegal, there was no worries about licensing, but since the criminal justice bill of 1994, which was specifically designed to stop raves, people are generally more inclined to use legal licensed venues, which severely restricts the ability to put on big events generally. sanctuary used to host massive hardcore events (legal tho) like world dance and n.a.s.a back in the day until it closed down, and the council might have got problems with basically having 1000's of kids congregating and getting fucked/having fun.

its worth bearing in mind that i have no idea what im talking about, btu theres a kernel of truth in all that i think.


There have been compalints of noise from residents nearby since the Empire got turned into the "new" Sanctuary. This combined with various other stories in the local paper over the years about the Sanctuary have to be behind it.

ambrose
09-08-2005, 05:25 PM
its weird, but the idea of residents complaingin about noise in MK is so weird to me, i just dont understand where these residents are. there doesnt seem to be any sign of life, or residences in the city at all! especially not near the station, isnt that just all midsummer boulevard and those mirror-glass office blocks?


i bet loads of those residents were actually in some village just outside and just hatwed the idea of a big rave happening so complained

DJL
09-08-2005, 06:45 PM
Milton Keynes is one of the most mental places believe me. Outside of the central shopping centre (read: church) there are blocks of pure housing estates that stretch outwards from this centre. MK was built in exactly the same way as you build cities in SimCity. The estates nearest the shopping centre are the ruffest with the exception of some of Bletchley. The housing estates are just blocks of identical houses and each block has a pub and a 1-2 corner shops in walking distance. Anything else you want must be driven to.

The estates that have residents who have complained are outside of the inner ruffer band (which are nearer to the Empire) and strangely right next to the MK Bowl which pumps out far more sound when an event is on. Things have changed for Empire this year since they have started putting on rave type events with soundsystems being brought in which are much louder than the installed system - hence the complaints. Tony Rosenberg doesn't have a great rep in MK (although should do) because of various incidents involving the Sanctuary over the years which the local papers like to put on the front of their publications. In real life though, compared to the weekend drinkers who inhabit the hellish Theatre District section of bars and "clubs", ravers are practically godly in their behaviour.

ambrose
09-08-2005, 08:28 PM
In real life though, compared to the weekend drinkers who inhabit the hellish Theatre District section of bars and "clubs", ravers are practically godly in their behaviour.

lol is the "theatre district" that massive wetherspoons down that way? ;)

i wonder how many of those people actually go to the MK theatre

DJL
09-08-2005, 09:07 PM
lol is the "theatre district" that massive wetherspoons down that way? ;)

i wonder how many of those people actually go to the MK theatre

None go to the MK Theatre I can guarantee you that much lol

There is actually three Wetherspoons in MK - The one down near the Theatre District is part of the ridiculous Xscape indoor snowslope complex and right next to Oceania - the worst and of course most popular and biggest club...

MK is crap. Most people here are robots who work in offices and get wrecked at weekends standard. But, as a result, the underground arts and creativity here is unlike anywhere else imo.

captain easychord
09-08-2005, 10:33 PM
But, as a result, the underground arts and creativity here is unlike anywhere else imo.

what do you mean exactly?

Logan Sama
10-08-2005, 04:21 AM
lol is the "theatre district" that massive wetherspoons down that way? ;)

i wonder how many of those people actually go to the MK theatre

Does the operating Theatre count, after a glassing of a weekend?

DJL
10-08-2005, 10:46 AM
what do you mean exactly?


Milton Keynes is notorious for many things but one is the belief that there is no culture here or could not possibly be because of the length of time that MK has existed?! We have only had the Theatre and Gallery added recently and many people as a result have no experience beyond what is pumped to them through TV and the latest blockbuster film which has resulted in an army of Rupert Murdoch acolytes obsessed with cheap titilation, sports and lad culture. People think you're weird if you read here - no joke. As a result individuality and free thought is generally suppressed.

Until recently anyone with creative aspirations beyond drawing caricatures of shoppers for a fiver in the church have been silenced. Thank god that we had the Sanctuary in our backyard - literally a sanctuary for the culturally oppressed of MK. Many of the top promotors such as Helter Skelter/Dreamscape/Sidewinder etc, etc are based round or near here and MK has a particularly fervent raving underclass. Some of the nights at the Sanctuary have been legendary and these events inspire us locals to have a go ourselves. Some of the best parties I've ever been to (and i've spent the last ten years clubbing all over the world) have been at really small clubs and pubs round these parts. You'll often find people very close to the above organisations at these nights and they go off in a big way.

I set up my own local music and culture fanzine a couple of years ago as a result of meeting people at these events with, imo, extraordinary untapped talents in art and writing. The fanzine ran for about 8 issues, was distributed all round the local areas and I ended up winning the Literature category for it at the inaguaral "MK Creates" awards at MK Gallery which has got me onto one of the best publishing degree courses in the UK which I start in September :D

Anyway, with regard to the original question of what it is exactly about the underground talent round here which makes it unique I would say the following: This enviroment forces you to make a choice between "fitting-in" or madness. Those who are strong enough to accept neither have transferred their feelings into a uniquely truthful creativity and, crucially, the recognition of the importance of love in our future evolution.

In the meantime stay away from the Operating Theatre District (bigup Logan on that one lol) if you come to MK and help us close it down...