PDA

View Full Version : Why communist christians must lose friends and alienate people



k-punk
25-11-2004, 11:58 PM
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
(Matthew 10:34)

What can Christ mean when he demands that his followers hate their father and mother, even their own life?

Well, simply that to escape you must disidentify with everything that you have been told that you are. You must hate your father and mother INSOFAR AS they are your mother and father, insofar as they trap you into a localized image of what you are, where you have come from and what you can be. Only when you love those called your father and mother as part of universal humanity can you really achieve the Christian agape, or disinterested love.

This gives rise to the apparent paradox so expertly drawn out by Badiou and Zizek: that Christianity heralds universality by bringing division. Since it is only those who are willing to give up familial, ethnic and sexual identifications who can be committed to universality, Christ's ethical call then divides those so committed from those who remain attached to their bio-tribalisms.

"Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." (Luke.12:51)

This is identical to the Leninist-Bolshevik tactic of splitting. Lenin's tactic was not to build the largest possible consensus, but precisely to create a dissensus, a hardcore group of those utterly committed to universality.

Family and friendship are two of the most stubborn obstacles to planetary collectivity.

Both tend to be a front for male abuse... I abuse you and destroy you, but it's OK... because in my heart I love you...

The communist needs neither friends nor family, only allies....

luka
26-11-2004, 10:24 AM
you are an embarressment to yourself your friends and your family. you probably haven't even joined the communist party. its all a fantasy inside your head. its almost motivating me to make an effort to explain in an articulate way why you're a delusional fantasist. not quite though...

for now all i can say is, smoke a zoot, chill out, have a wank, release some tension...

(dont quote from my book please)

john eden
26-11-2004, 10:58 AM
This is identical to the Leninist-Bolshevik tactic of splitting. Lenin's tactic was not to build the largest possible consensus, but precisely to create a dissensus, a hardcore group of those utterly committed to universality.

Which obviously had a great track record in the long run, didn't it?

Having just been through a long and serious political split, I'm glad I had mates on both sides, personally. It would have been far nastier without them. No doubt Mark has never experienced "male abuse" whilst going through such splits, or indeed whilst involved with left political organisations, because he hasn't actually experienced any of it first hand.

Ooops! There I go again, personalising things...

Woebot
26-11-2004, 11:32 AM
alright you rascals thats enough.....

martin
26-11-2004, 02:38 PM
How about actually aping your parents, and becoming them? In this way, we would be able to realise the genesis of the "Regenerating Prole". One who doesn't die, but is reborn at the end of each cycle ( albeit independently of Buddhist magic mushroom waffle about 'reincarnation'). Imagine the State's terror, knowing that its most unruly class-conscious subjects have lifespans of 1,000 years! So the answer is to a) breed like rabbits b) name all your kids after yourself, depending on gender. My dad was called Martin too, incidentally.

&catherine
26-11-2004, 05:34 PM
Christ's ethical call then divides those so committed from those who remain attached to their bio-tribalisms.
I'm not quite sure if the analogy between communism and Christ's ethical call works in this case, for the reason that the communist cause seeks to realise itself on earth, in this life, while Christ, despite all the militating that takes place on this side of death, predicates his claims on a kingdom that will be realised after this life. In this case, I don't really like the implication that communism will be something that takes place after a certain marker in time - that it is something like heaven, a reward that is always 'later', 'to come', rather than some process whose seeds are made of the same stuff as its fruits...

Are you suggesting that the state (small 's' ;) ) of communism will be that of division? Or of peace? I would assume the former, based on your argumentation...

Which leads me, tangentially, to the question of whether this would be any better than what we have at the moment. Why communism, Mark? What's to 'gain', if gain is the word?