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dominic
30-11-2004, 01:52 AM
Curious to know. Judging from remarks in John Bitumen's "Happy Hardcore" thread, there are still a lot of pirate stations that play classic jungle and hardcore??? And I've head that in the North of England many of the clubs that used to play Northern Soul have now changed over to playing Old School Rave. What are the crowds like at these events? And drug use? Also, how does record shopping work in the UK? Are the second-hand shops flooded with classic rave and jungle 12"s, much as NY second-hand record shops still carry lots of old school hip hop and early NY/Chicago house? . . . . Again, curious to hear. And for future reference, what are the best second-hand shops in London for finding 1990/94 material?

simon silverdollar
30-11-2004, 02:40 PM
those big raindance raves that happen semi-regularly are massive aren't they?

i went to an oldskool hardcore night once. it was excellent fun. loads of 14 year old kids in their first flush of e-love. a really exciting, joyous and innocent atmosphere.


very, very rarely pick up any ardcore on the pirates round here, but there's still a few jungle stations...
right, i'm off to listen to a Bonkers boxset...

simon silverdollar
30-11-2004, 02:42 PM
oh, + by the way, the big HMV on oxford street in london is bizarrely (for a big chain shop) excellent as far as hardcore + early jungle vinyl goes.
music and video exchange in notting hill is also good for that stuff, i've been told.

bassnation
30-11-2004, 02:52 PM
oh, + by the way, the big HMV on oxford street in london is bizarrely (for a big chain shop) excellent as far as hardcore + early jungle vinyl goes.
music and video exchange in notting hill is also good for that stuff, i've been told.

really simon? will have to get down there, as i've been shelling out big bucks for tunes from ebay, gemm and the like.

the last one i picked up was guy called gerald "all night baby" after hearing it on one of mr woebots mixes!

btw, i'm going to be playing an old skool hardcore set, albiet a short one, at a forthcoming outlet party on the 10th december in london if anyones interested. i'll post up more details closer to the time!

matt b
30-11-2004, 03:04 PM
And for future reference, what are the best second-hand shops in London for finding 1990/94 material?


pay a tenner, get on oxford tube and go to avid in oxford- downstairs is wicked.

baboon2004
30-11-2004, 03:06 PM
Can't pick up any ardkore pirates where I am (otherwise, I'd be locked on), but I did go to a Raindance event earlier this year. Soundsystem wasn't the best, it must be said, and I was drunk and tired by the time I got there, but hearing '2 Bad Mice Take U' on the dancefloor was worth the entry fee alone. Apart from that, several stalls selling dummies and glowsticks, pretty good atmosphere but not quite that 'rave madness' that I've experienced at a few jungle events.

So, in sum, hit and miss for the night itself, but can't fault the music.

Diggedy Derek
30-11-2004, 03:41 PM
music and video exchange in notting hill is also good for that stuff

I haven't checked in our rave section for quite a while, actually, I must have a look. I will report back on whether it's worth a look!

bassnation
30-11-2004, 04:17 PM
pay a tenner, get on oxford tube and go to avid in oxford- downstairs is wicked.

right, better get down there before all you lot do!

;)

jk_gabba
30-11-2004, 04:48 PM
Dance music finder here in Birmingham ( town center) had a old 'ardcore room last time i checked, lots of re-presses and raritys, and it was gathering dust..

Woebot
30-11-2004, 05:56 PM
oh, + by the way, the big HMV on oxford street in london is bizarrely (for a big chain shop) excellent as far as hardcore + early jungle vinyl goes.
music and video exchange in notting hill is also good for that stuff, i've been told.

the oxford street hmv does have a few on the wall. some of the old stuff has been steadily reissued over the past few yearses. picked up stuff like yolk here.

m and v is, i'm afraid picked dry.

and as for avid in oxford, well yeah they do have ALOT of stuff, and i mean LOADS. but its rare you find something truly great in there.

:-( doom and gloom i'm afraid.

the BEST place in london is definitely haggle vinyl on the essex road. bizarrely this place is always stocked to the gills with stuff, though its been a bit quieter in the past few years. if anyone is seriously curious i can furnish them with the number of my dealer, who i met running a stall in camden market (in the electric ballroom) thats where i found my (and simon's) copies of foul play volume one....

wonk_vitesse
30-11-2004, 09:09 PM
Reckless in Islington ain't bad and u can ave a listen too, i've picked up some real corkers there, well in the sense that they're great records and i've not heard them anywhere else ;)

Jim Daze
01-12-2004, 08:37 AM
reckless on Berwick have got loads of jungle/hardcore classics up on the wall at the moment.
you need to go armed with some trade or be prepared to shell out quite a bit as per the norm these days.

droid
01-12-2004, 09:00 AM
I assume youre all aware of the recent spate of XL re-releases?

The Prodigy's What Evil Lurks

Liquid's Sweet Harmony

John + Julie's Circles (Round And Round)

Jonny L's Ooh! I Like It -1992.

SL2 DJ’s Take Control - 1991.

Dance Conspiracy - Dub War

Awesome 3 - Don’t Go

Nu-matic - Hard Times

Ellis D - Took My Love Away

Prodigy - Charly

http://www.xlrecordings.com/shop/

bassnation
01-12-2004, 10:46 AM
I assume youre all aware of the recent spate of XL re-releases?

The Prodigy's What Evil Lurks

Liquid's Sweet Harmony

John + Julie's Circles (Round And Round)

Jonny L's Ooh! I Like It -1992.

SL2 DJ’s Take Control - 1991.

Dance Conspiracy - Dub War

Awesome 3 - Don’t Go

Nu-matic - Hard Times

Ellis D - Took My Love Away

Prodigy - Charly

http://www.xlrecordings.com/shop/

got them all already, apart from "where evil lurks"!!!

the kind of stuff i am looking for is darkcore, production house, whitehouse, reinforced (always welcome).

matt b
01-12-2004, 10:57 AM
and as for avid in oxford, well yeah they do have ALOT of stuff, and i mean LOADS. but its rare you find something truly great in there.

you do have to spend ages digging, but i normally come out with at least one thing i want to run home and listen to.

it is over priced though.

ewmy
01-12-2004, 05:11 PM
Choonz Records in Leeds had a decent (that is, rare and expensive) old skool section last time I went - which was a few years back, mind. I don't know how up-to-date their website is but it's at:

http://www.choonz.co.uk/

Triple-M
01-12-2004, 05:12 PM
This is a great site that will take you up to speed:

http://www.backtotheoldskool.co.uk/

droid
03-12-2004, 10:57 AM
This seems like a good a place as any to spam some mixes:

Below are a bunch of edits of some sets myself and Slug did in Dublin Jungle club 'studio B' over the last year or so..there's a few dropped beats here and there but all in all the mixings quite good and fast. plus its all live..

Enjoy! - Any comments greatly appreciated...


Droid + Slug LIVE@ Studio B 09/06/04 - HC History Mix 3. 92-93: 76 Mins Approx

Stream: http://www.thefear.ie/feartunes/droid+slug@studiob_050604_pt1.m3u

Download (right click): http://www.thefear.ie/feartunes/droid+slug@studio_b_050604_pt1_45minedit.mp3

(Time markings are from the start of each mix)

1. (00.00) Pure white - Life Goes On - White (LuckySpin)

2. (03.04) The Bombsquad - Freebase - Rugged Vinyl

3. (07.10) Run Tings - Look No Further - Sub Base

4. (10.01) DJ SS - Breakbeat Pressure - Formation

5. (11.51) Bizzi B - Rhythm for your Mind - Formation

6. (13.30) Rufige Kru - Jim Skreech - Reinforced

7. (16.40) D’Cruze - World within a World - Criminal Minds Remix - Sub Base

8. (19.07) Cool Hand Flex - Future (Remix) - U No Dat

9. (20.45) Eq - Void Of Xtacsy (Darkman Remix) - Formation

10. (23.43) Blame - Music Takes You (Two Bad Mice Mix) Moving shadow

11. (28.36) Psychotropic - Hypnosis - 02 Records

12. (32.24)Rush Release - Generator - Unknown Label

13. (35.31) T Power + The Sandman - Sounds of a concrete jungle - Soapbar

14. (37.54) DJ Dubplate - Dubbase - Labello Blanco

15. (41.18) D’Cruze- Bass goes Boom - Sub Base

16. (43.28)Sonz of da loop da loop era - Bust that Groove - Sub Base


............................Fade Out..................................


Droid + Slug LIVE@Studio B 04/06/04 PT 2. 94-95 Rollin' Jungle Anthems: 33 Mins Approx

Stream: http://www.thefear.ie/feartunes/droid+slug@studiob_050604_pt2.m3u

Download (right click): http://www.thefear.ie/feartunes/droid+slug@studio_b_050604_pt2_33minedit.mp3

(Time markings are from the start of each mix)

1. (00.00) Rufige Kru - Fury - Moving Shadow

2. (04.48) BLIM - Headspace - Emotif

3. (10.11) DJ Tamsin & The Monk - Better Place ( Bay B Kane remix) - White house

4. (14.10) Hyper-on-E - Ouija Awakening - Moving Shadow

5. (17.52) DJ SS - United (grooverider rmx) - Formation

6. (23.22) Photek - Seventh Samurai - Photek

7. (28.10) DJ SS - Black - Formation

8. (31.35) (A Hint of) DJ CRSTYL - The Dark Crystl - Force Ten

............................Fade Out..................................

The Full nights tracklisting for Droid + Slug LIVE@Studio B: 04/06/04 is here: http://www.irishdrumandbass.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=NS-phpBB&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=14352&forum=1&start=60


Droid + Slug LIVE@Studio B 12/12/03: Backz 2 The Future 1: 33 Mins Approx

Stream: http://www.thefear.ie/feartunes/droid+slug@studio_b_121203.m3u

Download (right click): http://www.thefear.ie/feartunes/droid+slug@studio_b_121203.mp3

(Time markings are from the start of each mix)

1. (00.00) London Sumtin’ RMX – Code071 + M.A.D. - Reinforced

2. (01.56) Incredible Bass RMX – Oaysis – Formation

3. (03.40) 2nd Rush – Hedgehog Affair/Rush Till dawn – Basement

4. (05.16) Illegal Subs (Krome and Time RMX) – Kaotic Chemistry – Moving Shadow

5. (09.16) Trip To The Moon pt. 2 – Acen – Kickin'

6. (11.02) Fires burning (Finn in your face mix) – Run Tings – Sub Base

7. (13.41) Space cakes – Kaotic chemistry – Moving Shadow

8. (15.49) Fall like rain (madness to my method mix) – Sudden Def – Reinforced

9. (17.48) Total feeling – Jay-e and Jay-j – Soapbar

10. (21.04) 101.3 Beats – Demolition Crew – Boogie beat

11. (23.15) Breakbeat pressure RMX – DJSS –Formation

12. (27.18) Conscious lyrics – Underground Software – Reinforced

13. (30.46) Jungle Muffin – The Moog – ?

14. (34.07) Don Bad Man – Ed Rush and Trace – Lucky Spin

15. (38.28) A16 – Blame – Moving Shadow

16. (42.02) The Slammer (Nookie RMX) – Krome and Time – Sub Base

17. (45.37) Thru the Vibe (2 on 1 mix) – Omni Trio – Moving Shadow

............................Fade Out..................................

The full nights tracklisting for Droid + Slug LIVE@Studio B: 12/12/03 is here: http://www.irishdrumandbass.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=NS-phpBB&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=11092&forum=1&start=20


And once again....

Big up the Studio B massive!!

DigitalDjigit
03-12-2004, 07:28 PM
Yo, that's some seriously obscure shit. nice job.