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Woebot
03-12-2004, 02:16 PM
As a compliment to the burgeoning weed thread I'd like to point out that the real enemy is in fact COFFEE.

&catherine
03-12-2004, 02:29 PM
Is it really? Why's that then?

sufi
03-12-2004, 02:32 PM
oof
having a hellish busy day running my whole office single handedly with my hair on fire

wanted to post on the ganja thread to show that smoking EXCESSIVE amounts of high grade does not impede effective middle management but too busy so far,

but 1st a strong MACHIATO.....

rewch
03-12-2004, 03:44 PM
novelist mark helprin in memoirs from antproof case has a protagonist whose entire raison d'Ítre is the destruction of coffee...caffeine is in his eyes the enemy of everything that humanity can achieve...in fact k-punk's rant about ganja could (almost) have been lifted word for word from said novel...with the obvious substitution...i too am enjoying the old double espresso macchiato...and that molecule [above left] that's caffeine that is...arabica though, none of that robusta shite...cheers sufi

Woebot
03-12-2004, 03:46 PM
Is it really? Why's that then?

Well if you can argue that marijuana demotivates a relatively small number of potential political activists, then surely you could say that coffee keeps a much larger number of people grafting for Kapital. It's an insiduous prop, a low-level amphetamine tailor-made to the necessities of production.

Rambler
03-12-2004, 03:51 PM
Following Woebot's argument, there are lots of other capital-based reasons why coffee is the real enemy - exploitation of third world farmers, that sort of thing.

Personally, it just gives me stomach cramps so I stick with tea.

rewch
03-12-2004, 03:51 PM
Well if you can argue that marijuana demotivates a relatively small number of potential political activists, then surely you could say that coffee keeps a much larger number of people grafting for Kapital. It's an insiduous prop, a low-level amphetamine tailor-made to the necessities of production.

and it ensures misery for the producer, enslaved to multinational companies & commodities markets...checck nestle &c...must give it up, but i've been enormously addicted/enslaved my entire adult life...which didn't stop me being unemployed & unproductive (at least in the capitalist sense) for most of that time...

Woebot
03-12-2004, 03:57 PM
Personally, it just gives me stomach cramps so I stick with tea.

Still the same caffeine fix I'm afraid Tim. Actually it'd be better saying "Caffeine is the real enemy" because then you include Coca Cola (and Red Bull!) Cumilatively it MUST be the planet's biggest daily hit.

Rambler
03-12-2004, 04:02 PM
That's the thing though - it's not the caffeine, it's the coffee. God knows what that's about.

luka
03-12-2004, 11:53 PM
coffee fucks me up. jitters my brain out till i cant think any thoughts, just a feedback drone.

infinite thought
04-12-2004, 12:18 AM
it's a surprisingly shitty drug. When recently I was in hospital, nil by mouth for ages and then they were late with the operation, I started getting this massive headache. I spoke to the anasthetic guy before surgery and told him about it and he tells me it's cos I hadn't had any caffeine for a long time. He was right, all I could think about was getting a coffee. Had to wait til I woke up again. Then I had three.

S'not even like I drink loads either, just two/three a day (that's not a lot is it?). I dunno, makes you think about giving it up....

nick.K
04-12-2004, 12:25 AM
coffee is bad but sugar is even worse, no?

hamarplazt
05-12-2004, 06:59 PM
S'not even like I drink loads either, just two/three a day (that's not a lot is it?)

Well, are you talking cups or litres? I drink at least three litres of tea each day. I suppose that's a lot.

hamarplazt
05-12-2004, 07:00 PM
coffee is bad but sugar is even worse, no?

Let us not forget television.

&catherine
06-12-2004, 05:36 AM
And food?

Jay Vee
06-12-2004, 10:21 PM
I dunno. Espresso n' hot water (called an "Americano" for some silly reason) every night after work revives me like nothing else. A charm. I really wouldn't be able to focus on my own music after 8 hours of working on other people's if it wasn't for coffee. Never drink it in the morning, though.

Woebot
07-12-2004, 09:43 AM
coffee is bad but sugar is even worse, no?
i've never gone for the "sugar is a drug" argument.

Woebot
07-12-2004, 09:43 AM
And food?
or the "food is a drug" argument.

Woebot
07-12-2004, 09:44 AM
Let us not forget television.
or the "television is a drug" argument.

Woebot
07-12-2004, 10:12 AM
call me mr sceptical ;)

sufi
07-12-2004, 12:17 PM
ok mr sceptical

often i drink a strong expresso when i get home after work, mmm, 2 or 3 sugars plaese = yum!
then i pass out for 30 or 60 minutes
what's that about?

86400
07-12-2004, 03:31 PM
Frankly, it's all about tea.

blissblogger
07-12-2004, 05:01 PM
ok mr sceptical

often i drink a strong expresso when i get home after work, mmm, 2 or 3 sugars plaese = yum!
then i pass out for 30 or 60 minutes
what's that about?

i've had that experience with coffee, it's similar to any crash after a stimulant-rush, your brain neurochemistry goes up and then has a big dip

i read somewhere there's some countries, in latin america i think, where they drink really strong coffee before bedtime and have a really good night's kip, it crashes them out

but apparently espresso has less caffeine in it than a regular cup of coffee cos the hot water's blasted through it real quick, but the way people drink espresso's -- like doing a shot of tequlia -- gives them a quick hit, so it's a more instant rush

yeah i totally agree with matt, caffeine's nasty stuff -- i'm addicted, and after years of not drinking it, the wife's become an addict this year too.

that jagged nerves feeling when you've had one cup too many by the mid-afternoon is horrible

in america a whole load of energy drinks have come on the market recently (resulting in Red Bull's price dropping quite a bit, until recently it was a sort of prestige import type product) -- they're packed with caffeine, taurine and simlar substances, various herbal stims and tons of sugar -- i'm sure loads of people are turning to them as neurochem props to get through their grinding dismal jobs, energy + morale boost in one

meanwhile out in the US sticks, crank is the working rural poor's buzz

rewch
07-12-2004, 05:50 PM
meanwhile out in the US sticks, crank is the working rural poor's buzz

prefer cathinone myself...failing that ristretto

captain easychord
07-12-2004, 07:51 PM
meanwhile out in the US sticks, crank is the working rural poor's buzz

blue collar southern ontario is full of factories in which workers will subsist entirely on caffeine, dexadrine, adderall, crank working for two or three days on end. at which point they pass out for a few and repeat.

blissblogger
07-12-2004, 09:15 PM
there's a really good book called The Speed Culture: Amphetamine Use and Abuse in America by Lester Grinspoon and Peter Hedblom, written in the early 70s when speed was semi-legal still and widely prescribed, basically describing speed as the counter-revolutionary drug

grinspoon also wrote a pro marijuana book for the opposite reasons -- c.f. the weed thread here -- in the world we live in there's good arguments for slowing things, promoting reverie and micro-perception. Even sleeping more.

i think you could use Grinspoon and Hedblom's argument apply re. all central nervous system stimulants -- speed, cocaine, caffeine -- they crank us up to make us work harder, adjust to the accelerated metabolism of Kapital

in fact doesn't Terence mcKenna make that argument, classifying all of them as Dominator drugs? ego-boosters

mind you -- thinking of "Dominator" the track -- a huge swathe of my favorite music wouldn't exist without amphetamine, or cocaine, or...

coffee and music:
supposedly the SST label used to drink jugs of coffee to maintain their selfimposed work rate (until black flag got heavily into pot)

any other examples of caffeine/music synergy?

Tobias
07-12-2004, 09:42 PM
any other examples of caffeine/music synergy?

Not exactly from the producers but from the consumers point of view: I always felt as if Kruder & Dorfmeister were the ultimate example for Kaffeehaus-Dub. The music hipsters with nothing to do, hanging out in a Kaffeehaus listen to, in order to calm down the upped senses.

captain easychord
07-12-2004, 09:52 PM
mind you -- thinking of "Dominator" the track -- a huge swathe of my favorite music wouldn't exist without amphetamine, or cocaine, or...

it's true. i can see coke being a part of grime. the rushed flows, the self-mythologizing, the stance that most MC's adopt of inevitable commercial success (even though the odds are against them at this point...) in a recent interview on 1xtra crazy t boasted that the alliance would succeed because "WE'VE GOT THE TALENT, WE'VE GOT THE TUNES AND WE'VE GOT THE COCAINE!"

hamarplazt
07-12-2004, 10:17 PM
any other examples of caffeine/music synergy?

Bachs coffee cantata?

HMGovt
08-12-2004, 01:08 AM
it's true. i can see coke being a part of grime. the rushed flows, the self-mythologizing, the stance that most MC's adopt of inevitable commercial success (even though the odds are against them at this point...) in a recent interview on 1xtra crazy t boasted that the alliance would succeed because "WE'VE GOT THE TALENT, WE'VE GOT THE TUNES AND WE'VE GOT THE COCAINE!"

Well then, if that's the case, they deserve to fail. The music doesn't stand up too well anymore, same old same cold, so fuck 'em. And if I hear one more MC spitting the same shit as everyone else about his tedious pot noodle and playstation microcosm... well I won't, because I've stopped caring about any of it, the vicarious guilt-thrill of nodding along to the ghetto mentality.

Who cashed out and made these MCs kings? And more to the point, why should we give a fuck now the music is so badly overdrawn at the Bank of Hardkore?

matt b
08-12-2004, 02:19 PM
coffee and music:
supposedly the SST label used to drink jugs of coffee to maintain their selfimposed work rate

"97% caffeine free coffee is 97% not my kind of thing" h. rollins