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dHarry
23-01-2006, 09:40 PM
Calling all eBay masters - do you have any experience of "sniping" software/service that puts your bid in for you seconds before the auction ends?

minikomi
24-01-2006, 05:34 AM
isnt this kind of redundant since the 'max bid' thing came in? just bid what youre willing to pay..

bassnation
24-01-2006, 09:50 AM
isnt this kind of redundant since the 'max bid' thing came in? just bid what youre willing to pay..

the sniping tools ensure that you pay the lowest possible amount for the item, the idea being that hardly anyone bids until the last moment - thus keeping the price down. the max bid feature won't do this.

domtyler
24-01-2006, 10:35 AM
The max bid is still the most honourable way to operate on ebay. Twice now I've lost out to some last minute (second even) sniper on ebay and it's infuriating. Not only is it infuriating it's wholly irrational behavior, presumably these are people who can't decide how much their max bid would be and only know that they want to spend one pound more than anyone else!!! All it does is compress the bidding into the last dying seconds of the auction thereby requiring complete attention from the bidder and some of us have better things to do.

I bid on an old trumpet (childhood dream by the way) which was due to end on christmas morning. Because I really wanted it I put in a highish max bid, but for most of the auction I needn't have worried becasue even with hours to go the lot was with me for a fraction of my maximum. In the time it took me to make my christmas breakfast (scrambled eggs with truffle oil) some heartless swine had swooped in and made incrementaly increasing bids until with a single second to spare he/she had pipped me to the post. It very nearly ruined my christmas.

john eden
24-01-2006, 11:03 AM
The max bid is still the most honourable way to operate on ebay. Twice now I've lost out to some last minute (second even) sniper on ebay and it's infuriating. Not only is it infuriating it's wholly irrational behavior, presumably these are people who can't decide how much their max bid would be and only know that they want to spend one pound more than anyone else!!! All it does is compress the bidding into the last dying seconds of the auction thereby requiring complete attention from the bidder and some of us have better things to do.

My understanding is that sniping programmes do not bid incrementally, but ask you for your highest bid and then bid in the last few seconds. Ebay then bids incrementally until there is a winner.

When there are two bidders one of them will ALWAYS lose by a pound or so. This will still be the case if one person's highest bid was a fiver and the other's was 5million quid.

The fact that you were sitting on ebay on xmas morning suggests that you also one of those people who "can't decide how much their max bid would be and only know that they want to spend one pound more than anyone else".

droid
24-01-2006, 11:32 AM
Sniping is the only way to go. First of all it lulls early bidders into a flase sense of security, and secondly allows you to limit your max bid to something reasonable, as the other bidders dont have time to reset their max bid or to counter-bid.

I dont use a programme - just my finger... usually bid in the last 1 - 2 seconds depending on my connection.

domtyler
24-01-2006, 12:07 PM
Sniping is the only way to go. First of all it lulls early bidders into a flase sense of security, and secondly allows you to limit your max bid to something reasonable, as the other bidders dont have time to reset their max bid or to counter-bid.

The whole point is that your max bid should BY DEFINITION be A. reasonable (actually that's between you and your bank manager), and B. not an amount which you would want to increase either by "reseting" or "counter-biding". That's why it's a max bid. By extention there would be no advantage to lulling early bidders into a false sense of security if everybody used the max bid PROPERLY, as whether or not they felt secure would have no bearing on whether they will increase their maximum bid.

Am I beginning to sound anal about this?

3underscore
24-01-2006, 12:09 PM
Sniping is the most sensible way to buy. Why should I make my max bid your guidance price. It is an auction, such information has a value, so I don't want to give it away.

I'm sure some economist will have had a look into the ebay method of auction, and can guarantee that there is a very reasoned proof of why you should snipe. It is only sensible.

bassnation
24-01-2006, 12:17 PM
The whole point is that your max bid should BY DEFINITION be A. reasonable (actually that's between you and your bank manager), and B. not an amount which you would want to increase either by "reseting" or "counter-biding". That's why it's a max bid. By extention there would be no advantage to lulling early bidders into a false sense of security if everybody used the max bid PROPERLY, as whether or not they felt secure would have no bearing on whether they will increase their maximum bid.

Am I beginning to sound anal about this?

no, not at all. it is annoying. but the problem is, once a group of people start to use these things, if you don't your immediately at a disadvantage - so everyone ends up sniping.

afaik, sniping tools are prohibited by ebay - although not sure how they'd be able to catch you.

domtyler
24-01-2006, 12:17 PM
My understanding is that sniping programmes do not bid incrementally, but ask you for your highest bid and then bid in the last few seconds. Ebay then bids incrementally until there is a winner.

In this case it was manually, incrementaly done. The software sounds even more mean-spirited.


When there are two bidders one of them will ALWAYS lose by a pound or so. This will still be the case if one person's highest bid was a fiver and the other's was 5million quid.

Fair point.


The fact that you were sitting on ebay on xmas morning suggests that you also one of those people who "can't decide how much their max bid would be and only know that they want to spend one pound more than anyone else".

That's not how it happened, I just made one bid, my carefully considered maximum, and during the day checked the auction just once. I'm exaggerating my outrage for effect but I do think that sniping is a counter-productive practice that does not result in cheaper purchases than Max bids.

domtyler
24-01-2006, 12:21 PM
no, not at all. it is annoying. but the problem is, once a group of people start to use these things, if you don't your immediately at a disadvantage - so everyone ends up sniping.

That's exactly why we are all going to hell-in-a-hand-basket.

john eden
24-01-2006, 12:34 PM
That's not how it happened, I just made one bid, my carefully considered maximum, and during the day checked the auction just once. I'm exaggerating my outrage for effect but I do think that sniping is a counter-productive practice that does not result in cheaper purchases than Max bids.

Fair do's - I'm glad your xmas day was more productive and sorry you didn't get yer trumpet.

The only sensible guidance with all of this can be:

1) decide how much you want something
2) decide how much at most you would be prepared to pay
3) bid
4) if you lose, chalk it up for experience. Someone will always have more money than you or want something more than you. For many things you will get a second chance.
5) Try to remember all the stuff you got cheap, and/or that you would possibly never have found were it not for the interweb.
6) Have a very nice breakfast! :cool:

I've just signed up for an auction sniper programme...

droid
24-01-2006, 12:44 PM
The whole point is that your max bid should BY DEFINITION be A. reasonable (actually that's between you and your bank manager), and B. not an amount which you would want to increase either by "reseting" or "counter-biding". That's why it's a max bid. By extention there would be no advantage to lulling early bidders into a false sense of security if everybody used the max bid PROPERLY, as whether or not they felt secure would have no bearing on whether they will increase their maximum bid.

Am I beginning to sound anal about this?

OK - based on your system, lets say someone sees a record they want for £2.50 on an auction that still has 7 days to go. They bid first with a maximum bid of say £15. the actual price goes up to 3.50. The next day, a guy then comes along and bids for the item, setting his maximum bid to £20 - the actual price shoots up to £15.49 or something. Next day someone comes along, and trys to buy it for a max bid of £18, setting the new price to £18.99, folowed by another bidder who sets a max bid of £35 (to be sure) - price goes up to £20.99 and we are now only 3 days into our auction... If those other bidders had been snipers, depending on how good they are, they all could have held back and gotten the item for 15.99 or 18.99... in the 'max bid' scenario, the price will just keep going up, as basically, the only real limit in a potentially infinite global market is the time constraint on the auction....

So ya see - sniping at the end may result in getting it at the same price - but human nature being what it is - it usually doesnt .As theres less percieved demand for the item in question, and therefore less competition you get lower prices as a result. Theres also the fact that no-one actually wants to hit their max bid ceiling (I usually add aboout 20% for something I really want). A penny saved is a penny earned after all.

Everybody gets burned by this at some stage, and the only sensible response is to do it yourself. Theres nothing 'dishonourable' about it at all... though I do prefer to be bidding against a human and not a machine myself! ;)


That's exactly why we are all going to hell-in-a-hand-basket.

Thats Capitalism for ya!

bassnation
24-01-2006, 01:00 PM
I've just signed up for an auction sniper programme...

have you ever sold anything on ebay, john?

i'm just selling a load of old vhs and dvd titles and wondered if anyone has any tips on selling. for instance, do you set a reserve price? ebay.co.uk only allows a reserve of 50 quid minimum which is way more than the value of most of my items.

dHarry
24-01-2006, 01:23 PM
thanks all for a well-rounded debate on the pros and cons of max bids & sniping!

sad x-mas story, Domtyler :( funnily enough, I too am on the look out for a trumpet, much to the amusement and dread of my partner!

actually max bid seems to work in favour of the seller; after all, the essence of the auction is that no-one wants to pay more than a quid higher than anyone else. Manual sniping is the best way to pay as little as possible in a time-limited auction (as opposed to the trad open-ended auction - "any more bids for this fine piece? going once, going twice...").

John - which sniper servive/software are you going with? I'd love to know how you get on.

Does anyone know if eBay would ban users for this, could they check bid IPs or something?

bassnation
24-01-2006, 01:27 PM
Does anyone know if eBay would ban users for this, could they check IP's or something?

as far as i'm aware, the snipers perfectly emulate submission of an ebay form - including fudging the user agent so the request looks like its coming from a web browser rather than from a sniper. essentially the programmers will have reverse engineered the bid form so the sniper can be used as an alternative client.

the way ebay might be able to detect (and prohibit) these snipers is by generating some kind of encoded key on the auction bid form page - if this isn't submitted back to the server then its a sniper. however, obviously there are still working snipers, so i guess ebay hasn't cracked the problem yet!

john eden
24-01-2006, 01:27 PM
Yeah I sold a load of old industrial records and zines etc at the end of last year.

Tips tips tips!

1) Reserve price - only to be used for stuff which is really really valuable. Otherwise it just puts people off.
2) Do a search to see if anyone else is selling it. If you "watch" that item then you can find how much it will go for. There is also a site which shows you old auctions but I forget what it is. You can also rip off people's blurb.
3) Set your starting price low. You will be more likely to get more bidders this way. Remember most auctions only come into life in the last 30 seconds so don't worry if you don't get many bids.
4) If it's something you just want shut of then set a "buy it now" price which is slightly more than you expect to sell the item for.
5) The more useful info you include, the better, but don't go overboard.
6) Be honest about condition
7) Try to include details about p&p where possible.
8) Sell internationally (more people) but use paypal only. UK it's alright to accept cheques, cash, postal order etc, tho it is a pain in the arse.
9) Don't use swearwords in your auction, it may not show up.
10) Always have a piccie.
11) If you are listing a lot of the same thing (i.e. DVDs) then you can use your first listed item as a template for the rest - most of the stuff like p&p etc will be the same.

Others?

john eden
24-01-2006, 01:31 PM
John - which sniper servive/software are you going with? I'd love to know how you get on.

Does anyone know if eBay would ban users for this, could they check IP's or something?

auctionsniper.com

Someone recommended me them a while ago.

You get 5 free snipes and it all seems quite straightforward. You do have to give them your ebay login and password tho, which is a bit unnerving.

Another advantage is I can place bids at work - the cookies from ebay don't get through my firewall here if I bid direct.

In terms of ebay banning people I can see no reason why they would want to - the money is still rolling in...

dHarry
24-01-2006, 01:32 PM
for instance, do you set a reserve price? ebay.co.uk only allows a reserve of 50 quid minimum which is way more than the value of most of my items.

can you not set a min. starting bid instead?

john eden
24-01-2006, 01:33 PM
can you not set a min. starting bid instead?

You can do this, but it only really works for rare stuff.

People are less likely to bid on something which starts at 10 quid (which they imagine will go up) than 99p (which may then go up to a tenner).

bassnation
24-01-2006, 01:36 PM
In terms of ebay banning people I can see no reason why they would want to - the money is still rolling in...

actually, i misinformed you earlier - its only ebay germany that bans snipers for some strange reason. and even then, germans can snipe other ebay sites, just not the german one!

Canada J Soup
24-01-2006, 03:35 PM
I've pretty much stopped using eBay because of sniping. If there isn't a (reasonable) buy it now price I don't bother anymore, because I know the chances are there's some little fucker out there who is (I have managed to convince myself) getting almost as much of a thrill out of buying the item I want for only a dollar more as he is from actually getting the item. In fact, he probably doesn't even really want it as much as I do. The prick. I’ll bet he doesn’t even really like Spiral Tribe.

Droid's right though. If you want a greater chance of winning an auction at the lowest final price you can get away with, sniping is the way to go simply because it provides an advantage that others will take if you won't. It’s surprising that eBay hasn't enacted measures to prevent it, as it reduces the number of people who are likely to participate in auctions just by dint of pissing them off.

DigitalDjigit
24-01-2006, 03:43 PM
Domtyler, why are you getting so worked up over this?

You got outbid, since you carefully considered your maximum then you wouldn't want to pay what the item sold for anyway. There will always be another trumpet for sale. I win stuff on eBay all the time and when I get outbid I just accept the fact since I wouldn't pay that much anyway.

Paying in the last minutes is the correct course of action because people aren't rational all the time and can't always decide on a good maximum. This especially applies to lots. Often lots go for very cheap on a per item basis and on careful consideration your maximum may turn out to be much larger than what you originally thought acceptable. Since I dont' want to allow other this chance to change their mind, I bid late.

DigitalDjigit
24-01-2006, 03:45 PM
How would you prevent sniping? Cut off biding in the last minute? Then people will just bid a few second before the minute cut-off arrives. There's really no way to stop and it's for the better. eBay is not a store, if you can't take the uncertainty then don't bid. Though I gotta admit sometimes my pulse races way too much near the end of an auction. It's kinda scary.

DigitalDjigit
24-01-2006, 03:50 PM
I think eBay is a buyers market. Stuff goes a lot cheaper on eBay then anywhere else and unless you are selling something very rare and much in demand that will guarantee bids I would use some other way to sell records (gemm, discogs).

droid
24-01-2006, 03:57 PM
Id like to make a distinction here between automated sniping (as you m ake a cup of tea/lie in bed/watch telly), and manual sniping (logging on and bidding manually at the last possible second).

The latter is OK in my book - theres always a chance youll fuck it up or miss the auction or something... the former is a bit too impersonal and mean-spirited for my tastes.

I can see things heading that way though... :(

DigitalDjigit
24-01-2006, 04:23 PM
Don't see a problem with automated sniping either. What if you set the maximum to $5 and I just go on there an manually bid $6? Then you lose. You will say, well I will set the maximum to $7 then. Ok, fine, I wasn't going to pay $7 anyway and maybe you are the sucker after all. Don't forget that if the maximum bid is the same then the one placed earlier wins.

john eden
24-01-2006, 04:37 PM
Id like to make a distinction here between automated sniping (as you m ake a cup of tea/lie in bed/watch telly), and manual sniping (logging on and bidding manually at the last possible second).

Whilst I have been instilled with the protestant work ethic and value a bit of graft and attention to detail, I think you are talking bollocks here. :D

What difference does it make?

bassnation
24-01-2006, 04:41 PM
Whilst I have been instilled with the protestant work ethic and value a bit of graft and attention to detail, I think you are talking bollocks here. :D

What difference does it make?

doesn't it remove the "magic" when you just repeatedely win every auction without even trying? ;)

droid
24-01-2006, 04:45 PM
Whilst I have been instilled with the protestant work ethic and value a bit of graft and attention to detail, I think you are talking bollocks here. :D

What difference does it make?

Talking bollocks! How dare you! :D

The difference is purely subjective, its like using a 'fire and forget' missile to crush your enemies as opposed to getting in close with your bayonet (or sniper rifle!) and seeing the whites of their eyes before you dispatch them !

I guess Im just old fashioned...

IdleRich
24-01-2006, 04:58 PM
"Doesn't it remove the "magic" when you just repeatedly win every auction without even trying?"

I don't get that at all, you will only win when you are prepared to pay more than anybody else (who happens to see it that is, does getting automatic notification count as cheating as well?). As far as I can work out the Sniper thing just allows you to "hide" your maximum bid from ebay up to the last minute as well as from the other buyers. I wish there was a way that I could win the things I keep losing on "without even trying".

john eden
24-01-2006, 05:05 PM
Talking bollocks! How dare you! :D

The difference is purely subjective, its like using a 'fire and forget' missile to crush your enemies as opposed to getting in close with your bayonet (or sniper rifle!) and seeing the whites of their eyes before you dispatch them !

:p

Oh I see!

For you ebay is akin to mortal combat, or perhaps a joust? A duel for the honour of the virgin vinyl you have your eye on? But, ah, curse these dastardly snipers! Why do good women always go for bad men?

Whereas, for me, it's just about acquiring records etc in a relatively straightforward manner. ;)

droid
24-01-2006, 05:08 PM
:p

Oh I see!

For you ebay is akin to mortal combat, or perhaps a joust? A duel for the honour of the virgin vinyl

And just imagine my disappointment when my precious virgins often turn out to be soiled goods! :cool:

infinite thought
24-01-2006, 05:36 PM
ebay is one of the least honourable inventions of the 20th century, tho it does allow privileged access to some of the more subjective affects of capitalism and all the multivarious moods of selfishness, acquisitiveness and gambling are permitted to shine through in their rotten glory...

I spent far, far too much money and time on ebay last year, often putting my bid in at the very last minute/second (tho not with a sniper programme)....as you are so obviously encouraged to do this by the set-up of the whole enterprise. It does make you feel both excited and malevolent at the same time to just outbid some total stranger and spend far more than you would have wanted to. It's partly a form of gambling, obv....er, and just occasionally you might get something you want for less than you would have paid in a shop or whatever.

But then I got banned from ebay...forever! I suspect they thought I was using a sniper programme cos I was pretty good at winning at the last minute, either that or they assumed I was a National Bolshevik for buying both 'Triumph of the Will' and Soviet badges in the same week. But probably for the best, eh....

domtyler
24-01-2006, 08:30 PM
Domtyler, why are you getting so worked up over this?

You got outbid, since you carefully considered your maximum then you wouldn't want to pay what the item sold for anyway. There will always be another trumpet for sale. I win stuff on eBay all the time and when I get outbid I just accept the fact since I wouldn't pay that much anyway.

Paying in the last minutes is the correct course of action because people aren't rational all the time and can't always decide on a good maximum. This especially applies to lots. Often lots go for very cheap on a per item basis and on careful consideration your maximum may turn out to be much larger than what you originally thought acceptable. Since I dont' want to allow other this chance to change their mind, I bid late.

Apart from the sour grapes I guess I'm worked up over it because I have a suspicion that the last minute bid, whether sniped or not, is more likely to be motivated by a desire to WIN the item rather than a considered decision to offer a certain amount. And now that I've written than down I see how absurd it is because that's why auctions work. It's so easy to get carried away with the drama, even the language is dramatic, you don't buy, you WIN!!! People often spend more at auctions because the action of bidding becomes adversarial.

Perhaps my ire is because it just seems a little unfair to jump in at the last minute, I'd feel mean doing it, it just seems grabby....

BTW: Are you suggesting it's the correct course of action because people aren't rational because they take what you consider to be the correct course of action? Kant would have a field day with that!

Grievous Angel
24-01-2006, 09:51 PM
The magic of ebay isn't the last minute manual bidding, it's the valuation. You have to make a judgement on the value of this thing (and the probity of the seller) based on a photo and a bit of blurb and have to compete with a bunch of unseen people for it. All of that is still present when you use a sniping programme.

And you can still lose with a sniping programme. You can still get outbid.

I use AuctionSniper and it's excellent. I bought a load of stuff on ebay last year using it. I was trying to get these (very good but inexpensive B&W 601 speakers) which were really in demand and kept getting outbid at the last moment.

It works really well and costs pennies.

Freakaholic
24-01-2006, 10:36 PM
Ive never used a sniping program myself, but have bought a lot on ebay. Before I purchase anything (mostly records) i will watch that item run through several times, unless its rare and i dont expect to see it again.

but ive found that something that usually goes for, say $10, one or two will regularly slip through at $5. You just gotta be patient.

a vast majority of my bids get sniped at the last minute, like at least 9 out of 10. and its hard to pick your max price. if i said i wouldnt go above $20 for that, and then it ended $20.50, I cant help but think "whats another 50 cents, damn i shouldve bid a little more".

i did by a rather large bag end soundsystem, and only one by having a faster refresh time. that was invigorating.

johanek
24-01-2006, 11:51 PM
I've sniped successfully several times before, and I think it's the best tactic for getting something cheap. Which is why I'm on ebay in the first place...

So my thing is to set a lowish limit I'm prepared to pay on an item I want to buy. And I snipe using software at that level. I tend not to win very much because the item goes over my limit before the last minute or because someone outsnipes me. But then I'll try again on the next similar item and if you remain patient you can often buy the item cheap, or at least raise the amount you're willing to pay more slowly, over several auctionss.

It becomes more like a blind bid- everyone gets one shot and doesn't know what anyone else is bidding. But you gotta know thats the game you're playing, if you think of it like a regular auction there's the potential to pay too much, just like at a regular auction.


Anyway, in New Zealand ebay isn't popular and they use a local site called trademe instead. What trademe does to prevent sniping, which I think is rather smart, is give the seller the option to extend the auction if a bid is made in the last 5 minutes. You select this option when you advertise your item, and the auction automatically extends to finish 5 minutes after that bid. This is the way to defeat sniping and change the system back to people bidding "in person" rather than robots doing the job. I really don't know why ebay doesn't offer it- surely since it aids the seller it would increase the fees they recieve?

3underscore
25-01-2006, 11:18 AM
It becomes more like a blind bid- everyone gets one shot and doesn't know what anyone else is bidding. But you gotta know thats the game you're playing, if you think of it like a regular auction there's the potential to pay too much, just like at a regular auction.



Yes - with sniping it gravitates more towards a second price, sealed bid auction (the winner, in effect, pays the second highest bid, not their "bid" / maximum offer). There is a lot of theory on that, especially around the inflation of bids due to the drop to second price.

With ebay, the problem is that without a snipe programme, you find that someone is in effect, not sealing their bid. How the exposure of this information works to other bidders I can't immediately think, but would ultimately work to inflate bidding and ebay fees (this would make sense).

So, if you don't use a snipe you get sucked in.

dHarry
25-01-2006, 11:49 AM
well, I still can't see the moral problem with sniping, it's a logical development of eBay, and the max bid concept is equally "underhand".

Infinite, did you really get banned for manual sniping i.e. legitimate successful eBaying? that's hard to believe?!

But the big problem with eBay is really the time limit - the close of auction should involve an "any more bids? going, going..." scenario, assuming everyone is online for the close, to allow real bidding.

Anyone want to venture a few million in a rival site www.realtimebidding4rarerecords.com?

IdleRich
25-01-2006, 12:49 PM
No-one has really provided any reason why sniping is immoral, it just seems that people are annoyed by losing at the last minute and by a small amount. Of course that is annoying but I think that it evens out, I get some bargains and I lose some I really want, same as all of you I imagine.

"What trademe does to prevent sniping, which I think is rather smart, is give the seller the option to extend the auction if a bid is made in the last 5 minutes. You select this option when you advertise your item, and the auction automatically extends to finish 5 minutes after that bid."

I guess that that is the equivalent of saying "going, going gone" and it would prevent sniping. Also it would tend to increase prices (and ebay profits as you say) so as a buyer I'm glad that ebay don't use that method. Please keep it under your hat in future.

“Anyone want to venture a few million in a rival site www.realtimebidding4rarerecords.com?”

Sounds interesting but I can’t get the link to work, what is it?

dHarry
26-01-2006, 11:30 AM
"What trademe does to prevent sniping, which I think is rather smart, is give the seller the option to extend the auction if a bid is made in the last 5 minutes. You select this option when you advertise your item, and the auction automatically extends to finish 5 minutes after that bid."

I guess that that is the equivalent of saying "going, going gone" and it would prevent sniping. Also it would tend to increase prices (and ebay profits as you say) so as a buyer I'm glad that ebay don't use that method. Please keep it under your hat in future.
keep it under my hat, in case eBay read this thread and change their policies?! I'm not convinced it would increase prices, it might keep them to a minimum before the closing stages, and make the whole process more transparent.



“Anyone want to venture a few million in a rival site www.realtimebidding4rarerecords.com?”

Sounds interesting but I can’t get the link to work, what is it?

I just made it up :p

john eden
26-01-2006, 11:49 AM
John - which sniper servive/software are you going with? I'd love to know how you get on.

Seems to work fine. I've won two auctions with it, one of them for a penny. :D

IdleRich
26-01-2006, 12:20 PM
“Keep it under my hat, in case eBay read this thread and change their policies?!”

That was a joke.

“I just made it up”

That would explain it I guess. Shame, it sounded as though it was going to be my new favourite website.

mms
26-01-2006, 10:23 PM
ebay to me just looks more and more like a place where you get an evaluation judgement on something, watch the item.see how much it comes up for on ebay, get it much cheaper somewhere else with this in mind via the technique of googling. ebay has reached critical mass now i think.
i've saved about £50 quid on items i would have bought on ebay otherwise this month.

droid
27-01-2006, 10:10 AM
Dunno about that. I saved over €250 on a brand new mixer before Christmas...

Theres always bargins to be had, and Ebay tends to give the cheapest price on things if your careful and do the research.

But then again, I do live in the rip-off capital of Europe, where everything is about 20% overpriced... :mad:

bassnation
27-01-2006, 11:11 AM
Dunno about that. I saved over €250 on a brand new mixer before Christmas...

Theres always bargins to be had, and Ebay tends to give the cheapest price on things if your careful and do the research.

But then again, I do live in the rip-off capital of Europe, where everything is about 20% overpriced... :mad:

having said that, i bought a motu 828 soundcard from there - lovely piece of kit, 8 ins and outs plus optical, superb sound. normally they go for 600 quid and i got it for 250. 3 days later it just stops working, wouldn't even power up. sent it back to the bloke who then accused me of taking it apart - "all the screws are mashed up, what have you done to it?"

i guess i was unlucky, but at least with a shop they have definite return policies and most of the time you can avoid these kind of arguments.

droid
27-01-2006, 11:26 AM
having said that, i bought a motu 828 soundcard from there - lovely piece of kit, 8 ins and outs plus optical, superb sound. normally they go for 600 quid and i got it for 250. 3 days later it just stops working, wouldn't even power up. sent it back to the bloke who then accused me of taking it apart - "all the screws are mashed up, what have you done to it?"

i guess i was unlucky, but at least with a shop they have definite return policies and most of the time you can avoid these kind of arguments.

Thats always the risk though innit? I hope you left some very nasty feedback...

Grievous Angel
27-01-2006, 02:28 PM
In some categories, eBay is ludicrously overpriced, or rather the sellers. Books and DVDs are often more expensive than Amazon -- WTF???

CDs usually tend to be dirt cheap.

Hifi usually offers "value" if it's OK kit -- i.e. a reasonable 15-20% discount over new kit, sometimes less, enough to pay for the risk.

I think eBay motors has blown the second hand car market wide open, but of course there's a lot of structural influences there...

Freakaholic
27-01-2006, 03:37 PM
I dunno if Im good at sniffing out the honest ones, or was just lucky. I got a Pioneer DJM-600 for $650. Retail in the states is $1200-1500. This one was in perfect condition, and actually, even though I won the bid but didnt reach the reserve, he sold it to me on the side.

Now, I am very wary of this, and I told him so. But it all worked out. Months later, a friend bought one legitimately through ebay, and the guy took off with his $800.

Luckily, Ive only been screwed like that on a couple of records here n there, mostly from England or Asia.

PeteUM
05-02-2006, 06:24 PM
I know I should just read their rules and regs, but what happens if you paypal someone for something and it never arrives?

john eden
05-02-2006, 07:42 PM
I know I should just read their rules and regs, but what happens if you paypal someone for something and it never arrives?

You go to "report item undelivered" in your ebay "items won" profile. They then usually give you a link to the paypal site where you tell paypal what has happened. They then open a dispute for you. If you are lucky they credit your account after a few weeks.

This just happened to me and I got the money back anyway. :cool:

PeteUM
05-02-2006, 08:36 PM
Much obliged. I might just be being paranoid because I can't seem to get any emails out of the seller, but how long do you think I should leave it. It's been about 4 days so far...

mms
05-02-2006, 08:57 PM
i saw a business near hampstead thats actually set up to deal with ebay and other online auctions, i thought that was incredible - obviously it's not a couple of books or anything but i was suprised such a thing exists

john eden
05-02-2006, 09:46 PM
Much obliged. I might just be being paranoid because I can't seem to get any emails out of the seller, but how long do you think I should leave it. It's been about 4 days so far...

4 days is way too short I would leave it 3 weeks or a month. Tho it's worth checking his feedback to see if he is getting negs from people who won auctions the same time as you or before.

matt b
05-02-2006, 09:59 PM
i'm very wary of ebay, but bargains are available:
http://static.flickr.com/28/95959768_73a473a8b8.jpg?v=0

20p per record!

PeteUM
05-02-2006, 10:12 PM
A month? A fucking month?! You reggae people are way too relaxed about stuff...


Seriously though, if i'm going to spunk a load of cash I don't have on some grime 12" I was hoping for some ugly consumer gratification situation within a week at least, or at least an email why not. I'll give matey the benefit of the doubt though, if you reckon...

Saw ACEN records fetching some cash. Wonder if that's post WOEBOT's list...

john eden
05-02-2006, 10:13 PM
i'm very wary of ebay, but bargains are available:
http://static.flickr.com/28/95959768_73a473a8b8.jpg?v=0

20p per record!

any cop tho?

I always assume those job lots are full of ballast...

john eden
05-02-2006, 10:14 PM
A month? A fucking month?! You reggae people are way too relaxed about stuff...


Well maybe that's just me.

Actually maybe it was more like a fortnight, I dunno. But if you want to do it sooner you'll have to read all the small print and policies, eh? :D

bassnation
05-02-2006, 10:45 PM
I always assume those job lots are full of ballast...

i was thinking of doing some job lots with some records, but only because the sheer numbers of house tunes i want to sell makes individual listings prohibitive. basically i can't be arsed.

bassnation
05-02-2006, 10:47 PM
i saw a business near hampstead thats actually set up to deal with ebay and other online auctions, i thought that was incredible - obviously it's not a couple of books or anything but i was suprised such a thing exists

there was one in southend for a while, offering to sell peoples stuff on ebay but its gone out of business now.

matt b
06-02-2006, 08:35 AM
any cop tho?

I always assume those job lots are full of ballast...


about 50% hit rate so far- which i'm suprised at (thought it would be lower).

bassnation
06-02-2006, 10:23 AM
about 50% hit rate so far- which i'm suprised at (thought it would be lower).

how do people ship these job lots? do most specify collection only? i'd hate to pay the postage costs for a huge box of vinyl.

droid
06-02-2006, 10:26 AM
Saw ACEN records fetching some cash. Wonder if that's post WOEBOT's list...

Nope. Been like that for yeeeaaaarrssss....

matt b
06-02-2006, 10:35 AM
how do people ship these job lots? do most specify collection only? i'd hate to pay the postage costs for a huge box of vinyl.


well, this is not something i have done before, but it was a 'buy now' bid £99.00, including dhl delivery. this was from a record shop w/ excellent credentials.

if the above had not been in place, i wouldn't have got it.

i've got a fireplace for sale if anyone wants it- but buyer definately collects ;)

labrat
09-05-2006, 01:38 PM
couldnt find the cheap E bAY finds thread but some of these are a bargain (the Sun Ra is a reissue BTW.)http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Flashback81_Records-Library-Funk-Easy-OST_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ8QQftidZ2QQtZkm

IdleRich
09-05-2006, 02:23 PM
Funny that you should resurrect this thread. There is a record I keep losing to snipers by one pound that is finishing tonight half an hour after I finish work. I've decided that if you can't beat them etc and I'm gonna stay in the office an extra half hour and see if I can win it at the last minute. Probably won't work though.