viktorvaughn
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Just wondering!...
viktorvaughn said:Just wondering!...
mms said:i reckon jungle comes from people hearing clash tapes from kingston - where people refer to living in jungle which i think is loosley refers to a really shit poor area around ghost town /tivoli gardens/arnette gardens which was rebuilt and had a high level of political and other wise gang warfare in it. However i think the term is generally used to refer to urban jamaica, so reclaiming jungle is reclaiming jamaican roots in a pretty hardcore way.
autonomicforthepeople said:an old blissout post on the former. simon's energy flash etymology updated by wayne(&wax) marshall.
http://blissout.blogspot.com/2004_09_01_blissout_archive.html
gabriel said:ast)but anyway maybe all of that is about reclaiming roots? i dunno really
also, while it may be true that jungle is used in a more general way to refer to urban jamaica (not really sure about this), it's definitely used very very specifically in dancehall songs
stelfox said:the term categorically came from dancehall. ther was never anything racist about it at all. that story always makes me laugh. it's absolutely ludicrous when you consider how much of the music featured dancehall samples in patois talking about "junglists" etc. i'm not sure where the idea of any more sinsister motivation came from.
mms said:what storydo you mean?
i don't think anyone is saying its anything more sinister - just it brought back the ja meme that runs thru urban uk music rather than anything else. most of those samples are from dancehall records and clash tapes int they..
maybe reclaiming is the wrong term - i think i just mean reestablishing that link i guess
stelfox said:the initial story of people thinking it got its name by people referring to it as jungle as a perjorative related to its mainly black audience.
stelfox said:the initial story of people thinking it got its name by people referring to it as jungle as a perjorative related to its mainly black audience. my bad, i should have been more lucid but i'm very jetlagged and was replying to the original question, not anything subsequent.
Edward said:i had a mate who swore that hms & rob elliot from windowsmashers used to frequently say "jungle warriors on a mission" when they were on pirate around 89 or so (dance fm i think). they used to play what was then called "tribal house" which was pretty basic drum machine and synth tracks with NY garage and chicago house influences
gabriel said:that seems pretty similar to what fabio was saying innit... maybe this is why people picked up on the use of the word 'jungle' in dancehall in the first place...